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'Darren', claimed victim of abuse by Leon Brittan & other VIPs, backs down, says 'I was pressurised to give false evidence', Times, 10 Dec 2015 >> & claims of Esther Baker (backed by Sonia Poulton) that she was raped on Cannock Chase also unravel

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.12.15 10:54

The very public stories of alleged abuse made by 'Darren' and Esther Baker seem to be unravelling rapidly - today's 'Times':

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4637152.ece

Exaro News now has major questions to answer. 

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Esther Baker's claims are staunchly supported by one Sonia Poulton - I posted a number of details about Baker, and Poulton's support for her. last night on this thread:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12230-the-lantern-project-for-child-sexual-abuse-survivors-in-trouble-as-the-nhs-cuts-all-funding

There's more about VIP paedophoile rings on this thread:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t6422-operation-fernbridge-timebomb-at-elm-guest-house

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Post by Doug D on 11.12.15 19:53

This is ‘Darren’ who it was reported by Exaro back on 7th September 2015:
 
Police ‘betray’ CSA survivor by referring his son to social services
 
Police are accused of the “betrayal” of a witness who alleges abuse by VIP paedophiles after a detective referred his baby son to social services.
 
According to the witness, known as “Darren” to protect his identity, a detective from Suffolk Constabulary told him that he had made the referral because survivors of child sex abuse (CSA) are more likely to be paedophiles themselves.
 
A police source corroborated Darren’s claim, saying that the officer told him: “Statistics show that a large number of survivors of abuse do go on to be abusers.”
 
Darren called it a “betrayal of trust”. He has withdrawn co-operation with Suffolk police, who were investigating his allegations under ‘Operation Millpond’.
 
He told Exaro: “My case demonstrates how much police still have to learn in their dealings with survivors.”
 
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5657/police-betray-csa-survivor-by-referring-his-son-to-social-services
 
So then yesterday we had in The Times and today The Mail:
 
VIP child abuse witness retracts murder claims: Outrage of ex-Tory MP who was implicated by 'Darren'
 
   Ex-Tory MP demanding inquiry into Scotland Yard’s VIP paedophile probe
   Man, known as Darren, admitted pressure put on him to make allegations
   Harvey Proctor's was home raided and he was interviewed under caution 
   But witness has retracted claims and Mr Proctor wants urgent investigation
    
By STEPHEN WRIGHT FOR THE DAILY MAIL
 
PUBLISHED: 00:36, 11 December 2015 | UPDATED: 01:28, 11 December 2015
 
Snips:
 
‘after a key witness retracted claims that he had witnessed two murders’
 
 ‘On being shown pictures of Mr Proctor by Exaro, he told The Times: ‘I had to tell them that I never met Proctor’
 
‘Scotland Yard is still reeling from recent condemnation by a committee of MPs over its protracted inquiry into a false allegation of rape made against Lord Brittan,….’
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3355362/VIP-child-abuse-witness-retracts-murder-claims-Outrage-ex-Tory-MP-implicated-Darren.html
……………………………….
 
Daily Mail again jumping late on the pro-establishment bandwagon, with an inaccurate story that doesn’t add up.
 
It seems to imply that Proctor was the ‘ex-Tory MP who was implicated by 'Darren', yet they then quote Darren : ‘I had to tell them that I never met Proctor’  (The Times article yesterday, which I have not seen in full due to the paywall showed a photo of Brittan)
 
The ‘false allegation of rape made against Lord Brittan,….’is again not correct and the Met statement never stated it to be false.
 
 ‘Although the MPS had concluded that there was not a strong case against Lord Brittan, the purpose of requesting a CPS view was to assess whether, in its view, it did reach the evidential standard. It would have been open for the CPS to conclude that it did not meet the threshold for charging and no further action should be taken, or that further enquiries were needed, or that there was in fact sufficient evidence for a charge. It was therefore conceivable that a reviewing CPS lawyer could have concluded that Lord Brittan could have been charged.’
 
http://news.met.police.uk/news/lady-brittan-apology-mps-publishes-key-findings-from-report-133664
 
When you look at the original Exaro video interview with Darren at:
 
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5453/video-darren-calls-on-police-to-arrest-dolphin-square-abusers
 
it comes over as not apparently scripted, with plenty of information that should readily be verifiable, such as; Social Services records, out of school, work placement in its place, Peter Righton, Thornham Magna, Dolphin Square apartment descriptions etc.
 
He says he had given detailed accounts to police, initially disclosed 18 months ago (summer 2013?), was one of the first to come forward, people have subsequently come forward and corroborated my disclosures etc, so again the retraction (just of witnessing two murders?) and accusations of pressure put on him by Exaro make little sense.
 
As for the witnessing two murders, ‘he believed he died’ and ‘a girl may have been killed’ that is hardly ‘murder claims’ worthy of retraction.
 
So much information, dis-information and mis-direction, who was it that said (or didn’t actually say) ‘confusion is good’?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.12.15 10:58

Esther Baker is a recent high-profile alleged victim of child sexual abuse by, it is claimed, a variety of Lords, judges and high-level (Conservative) politicians, who all met to abuse her and 7 other girls once a month on open ground in Cannock Chase, with uniformed police constables from the local police force on guard to stop people interfering with these multiple rapes.   

She is closely and very publicly followed and backed by Sonia Poulton. That makes Esther Baker's claims a subject of interest for the forum. as POulton has for the past 434 days that she is engaged on what she has promised will be a riveting documentary on the Madeleine McCann case with 'shocking' revelations.     

Poulton has form for backing assorted hoaxers and frauds; Anne Greig, Stephen D. Birch and barrister Michael Shrimpton, to name but three.

Esther Baker's lurid claims contain an uncanny echo of the Hollie Greig Hoax case. Both Esther Baker and Hollie Greig were said to have been abused by their fathers for the best part of two decades without their mothers having a clue about what was going on.

As you read the comments about Esther Baker below, keep in mind the allegations that Graham Wilmer and his son Rory Wilmer, and Exaro News, have all been across this story to make money - and not in a genuine pursuit of the truth.
   

Here are some notes I've collected from a blog which is highly sceptical of Esther Baker's claim that she is a witness of truth:

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PART ONE
   

TWITTERATI NEWS FOCUSES ON ESTHER BAKER’S CREDIBILITY 

http://twitteratinews.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/esther-baker-troll.html

Thursday, 2 July 2015

Esther Baker Troll

Yes little Esther, or 'Fester' as some have taken to calling her is by her own loose definitions, a troll.

Fester likes nothing better than trolling. Sod catching her alleged Lord and Judge, who nicely gave themselves titles whilst Fester claims they were abusing all and sundry in the woods.

Or not in the woods, since her story seems to have moved on, and the woody element is now downplayed against houses.

And the family member and others she happily named, are also now downplayed to 'trusted family members'. 

Perhaps if Fester could have got that one right to begin with, she might have had more credibility.

Having had her 5 mins of 'fame' and a few 1st class rail tickets, Fester is drifting back to her trolling ways. 

Now with Fester, a troll is someone who disagrees with her. Obviously that includes her pet hates, Laverty and McFadyen, but also several others have joined like Eve Thomas, anti-abuse campaigner who dared to disagree with Fester and the dubious survivors group, 'reflections'. 

Now too be fair, there is probably no more than a handful of members of reflections, and that includes, who-ate-all-the-pies Jenny Tombola, and Phil Weasel, trolls in their own right. 

Here Goes Fester again, lying and trying to keep someone in the fold by doing so.

[screenshots of tweets]

Now this is untrue, since Fester allegedly went into hospital late on the 9th or early 10th according to her mates TL, yet the Wilmers kicked off much earlier in the day along with the CSA announcements, but hey, what’s another lie.

Fester herself was giving 'media interviews' darlings, same time the Wilmers were trolling during that day.

Interesting to note that whilst she claimed to be in hospital the next day, she still managed to RT one of Rory Mitty's posts.

But Fester believes she can blag and and play the sympathy card for all it's worth on anyone to achieve her aim.

Shameless exploiter and a disgrace to all genuine victims. 

But perhaps Fester and the gutless G Wilmer should take Rory Mitty's suggestion to someone else.

Namely if you can't cope with social media criticism, yet troll happily, remove yourself - don't blame others or shamelessly play for sympathy and use it to deflect genuine criticism. 

“When arrests are made” lmao 

At the rate Fester has named her abusers before the police have even had time to get their notebooks out, there will be no case, genuine or otherwise.

As for any other arrests re Wilmer - the man is an utter fruitcake, a laughing stock - wasting police time and doubtless giving them a good laugh as well.

Here's Fester's favorite card

[picture of victim card]


Here are some comments about Fester etc, from another entirely unrelated blog, and Twitteratin News now posts them without comment for the moment at least


Ms Baker a few days ago (pre Sky broadcast) went into a frenzy about how a CSA meeting unauthorised recording might 'identify her if it were made public’ (which was at best, extremely doubtful). It caused her much distress, she claimed, reliving her abuse, her abusers might locate her etc.

That was just a few days before her media story went public and she identified herself with pictures and PR to millions, not just a few twitterati.

She works in a betting shop in Merseyside.

So why the fake outrage and tears a few days before? -see her timeline.

Was it distress as she claims that a previous alleged abuser might identify her, or merely distress it might interfere with her media exclusive spotlight?

It must have been lies because she was clearly going ahead with Sky at the time, which meant millions would see and know, including her alleged abusers.

Or was it just her excuse to attack someone on a false pretext, even now more fake outrage saying the Inquiry ‘isn't protecting her' .It was her choice to launch the PR with Sky, not the Home Office.

Check on all the Sky reports for the plug for Lantern project at the bottom, since this venture was organised by Wilmer, and he got his spot and plug in on every Sky report as a condition.


CONTINUED IN PART TWO

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.12.15 11:20

PART TWO



Check on all the Sky reports for the plug for Lantern project at the bottom, since this venture was organised by Wilmer, and he got his spot and plug in on every Sky report as a condition.

Would it have been given the coverage without the alleged politician??

 So it's not just someone deciding to go tell the police, it's a planned media staged event linked to funding and promotion.

Why not just go to the police and let them handle it, including any public appeals? Why prejudice a case via a media story?

There is an obvious answer. 

Wilmer wants to be seen as THE voice of survivors and wants cash, and losing his position on the panel meant he lost not only the fat daily fee, he lost his snout in trough time for available funding that went with it.

Since then he's been MEGA MEGA pissed off, blaming McFadyen and Laverty.

Esther is part of his troll group for both, along with his son Rory (twitter account now deactivated ) who basically said McFadyen was a paedophile and more. It was all very very toxic from Rory. So much so that Rory Wilmer's previous supporter and helper, gojam, decided he was too much of a liability and disowned him- see his TL - I have screenshots.

RWilmers account 'disappeared' shortly afterwards. Graham Wilmers proxy trolling nosedived.

This is Rory and the Wilmer desire for publicity:

http://newfathers4justice.co.uk/2014/12/03/10-years-ago-radio-tower-trick-takes-fathers-group-protest-to-new-heights/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1387279

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3749284.stm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wirral-pothole-campaigner-captain-craters-3572456

Not omprehensive, but arrested and charged numerous times.

 Rory claimed he just wanted to see his son, who was about 5 at the time in 2004 (now about 16). Heart strings you might say, except it's hardly the full story.

He was abusive to his ex, and had restricted access to his son as a result, but he wanted it HIS way or no way, threatening his ex if he didn't get it. But if he was so wanting contact with his son, why did he a few months after the demos, piss off to Europe for 10 years travelling and avoiding maintenance?

Both Wilmers are very OCD liars who demand their own way or else.

Why does Ms Baker seem more keen - until the recent Sky report that is - on trolling other 'survivors' namely McFadyen and Laverty and supporters, than anything else?

That didn't make the Sky report,surprise, surprise!!!!

There is far more untold and reaches back to others. 

Anonymous 29 May 2015 at 08:40

Esther Baker may indeed have been a victim of abuse at some time, by someone. But it's hard to work out who, as she claims to have been assaulted by many different individuals. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm9hsl.


I'm also left confused as to what she told the police sixteen months ago when they rescued her from domestic abuse and what she's only told them now. Have they investigated or even arrested any of the other people she's accused of serious criminality - her father, the pimp, her partner, any of their associates?

I have to say the Sky News tale sounds like a rehash of the old Satanic abuse stories, hence the incongruous open air setting. The mention of a *Labour* politician may be a subtle hint that the whole thing is even sillier than it appears.

Perhaps they should put up posters. 

'Were you on Cannock Chase in the 1980s or 1990s? Did you see a bunch of kids, miscellanous adults, and a well-known politician with a police guard? Oh, and a cameraman. If so contact Staffs Police on etc. etc.  If you go down to the woods tonight…

Anonymous 29 May 2015 at 22:34 

I have read Esther Bakers tweets, and not just the recent ones, but those dating back for some time. I would describe her as something of a social media bully, who if confronted quickly plays the victim card to try to portray herself differently than her actions would suggest.

No, we heard nothing in the MSM of her claimed long-term family abuse, or the abuse she's claiming with later partners, yet this must have covered a larger section of her life, and where she must know some of the names of her alleged abusers, who if correct would have abused others, so one might expect greater chance of prosecution. What we only get to hear is of nebulous Lords, Judges, and a 'Politician' - the headline grabbing stuff that sells.

She claims her mother was a nurse who worked night shifts during her childhood, which provided the opportunity for her father to abuse her. Odd then that what must have been some very obvious physical and mental signs of distress, her mother failed to note or act upon. 
There is, I understand, a
Sunday Times article due which she appears upset about and she claims it concerns one of her alleged abusers. 
She is described as co-founder of the new CSA group reflections UK, with her twitter associates including Graham Wilmer. Oddly enough these events have all coincided.
 
   
disco 30 May 2015 at 03:57 

I believe the Sunday Times article is this weekend, and she Baker is already saying it's lies. I can only assume it's her father/ex/pimp as they must be the easiest to trace.Surely it's only fair to hear both sides, even in the media. 

I have heard nothing whether any previous claimed abuse was actually prosecuted or not. If not why not, and why is so little coverage given to it?

Bit like Karen Danzuck's own claims which her family contested were porkies.

I am sure having her husband an MP on the make and plugging child abuse, and Karen looking for advancement had nothing to do with it.Perish the thought.

I don't know what happened or not to EB, but I find the thought that such a group on the chase were calling each other judge, or lord during a major crime.What next, bank robbers leaving their contact details?
  
Anonymous 31 May 2015 at 13:36

I was thinking the same on the Dolphin Sq aspect that Fester said she read someone's description, and decided she was there too. Most nurses work shifts, bit unusual to be working all nights if that's what she is implying.

But it gets more bizarre. She is saying there wasn't just her, but about 7 girls on the chase. Seven!!!!!. So how many alleged abusers, apart that is from just 2 police officers, sometimes in uniform, sometimes not. I wonder how she knew they were police officers if not in uniform, unless she's claiming they were just two regulars. So for all those years with all those girls, in the evening sessions and all those people, nobody noticed/reported a bus trip on the chase, with a large number of people, few policemen, camera, lights and strange goings on, and why no girl made a break for it and managed to successfully hide in the undergrowth, at least a few times, given there were about 7 or more?

Why the Chase anyway, surely it's hardly the place to take 7 or more kids to abuse in secret given the risks involved, surely they would have found a secure place rather than risk being caught by passer- by, who apparently never saw a thing over all those years. 

She claims by going public now, she’s more safe since her abusers wont dare come back as she's now high profile. Since the only abuse she is talking about is when she was a girl, she isn't anymore, so why would they?

She also says she first reported events to the police in 2012, but by implication, nothing happened.I wonder why? Wasn't till she teamed up with the-man-with-a-stupid-moustache and Exaro, a former Lib Dem MP, and Sky, that changed. Exaro sell stories and need cash. What sells now is this stuff.

Anyone 'counseling' must have few stories they could plug, add a bit of media circulated but uncorroborated gossip, provided by news agency and dah da. 

Anonymous 2 June 2015 at 23:29

The ex LibDem she is accusing, if you read back on her tweets, is actually part of the inquiry.
He sat in on many meetings, poses as defender of children and a reformer. I know one smart chap's worked it out - he pointed it out to me. Once you know who she is accusing, the fury of some of the others in the group makes sense! Look at Wilmer's tweets about hiding in plain sight, cloaking devices, the inquiry being infiltrated by paedophiles. 

Anonymous 3 June 2015 at 04:42


There are no MP's who are 'part of the Inquiry'. I read what she tweeted, taken with other bits of information it's not difficult to narrow things down. That should not be done. That's what happens when you bit by bit have someone named. So anyone coming forward could have done the same, together with now knowing details of where, how and when. Evidence unreliable.

Wilmer is stupid, and his son is even more stupid. The only thing he's interested in is cash and revenge.

Wouldn't trust him an inch. Can't say much more about Baker either from what I've seen and read.

I don't want trial by media, and I don't believe in those who do. 

Anonymous 3 June 2015 at 05:51
Exaro won't, they will just drop hints, because it's yet another drip-by-drip story to flog. They can't afford a libel action. 
They need cash pronto to pay back their loans, and were allegedly expecting a few nice stories from some former Inquiry panelists as was, till May rightly dumped the old panel, and now they have never stopped moaning about it since.

Wilmer's customers might be a ready-made client list for any PI firm, and Wilmer would have had his panel fees and funding under the old set-up.

T King wants to be Deputy Leader of Labour Party, partly on the back of CSA.

All very cosy, but nowt much to do with justice.

Wilmer and his cronies are loathsome self-interested vermin, pretending to be something else. 

Michaela Norton 10 June 2015 at 16:34

You complete and utter arseholes. You have no idea! Way too quick to judge. The Lantern Project is such an amazing organisation who in no way care or are interested in fees from anyone!

You bastards have no clue. Wait and see then your apology will still not be accepted!!!!!

Disco 11 June 2015 at 04:46


That would be the same Ms Norton who is seen in a picture cuddling up to Mr Wilmer, and religiously defends his every action on social media. 

Wilmer is a very odd looking character, and while that isn't always a good indicator, in this instance it rather is.

He & his son the feckless Rory (whose idea of beautiful Prague and Performance Art, was slinging dog poo around the city) have been trolling others on twitter because he is pissed off he lost his daily dosh.

He is currently spamming everyone to support his bid for cash, even though Ms Norton says he has no interest in it.Odd the FACTS don't support her.

How much did Exaro make from selling Bakers story to MGN? How much did Baker & Wilmer get?

Baker's supporters claim she got nowhere till she teamed up with Wilmer, and the mysterious Lords & Judges, and the not so mysterious Lib Dem ex MP.

And Exaro know of two others alleged to have come forward- one before Baker’s own PR campaign.

So how do Exaro know as apparently they haven't been interviewed, nor to my knowledge have the police confirmed this?Surely they aren't more complainants from the Exaro stable, - come forward my children, Exaro will listen and sell your story - 'by the way did you ever meet one ex LibDem MP vocally supportive of the Inquiry, surely you must have, perhaps in the Chase - think hard I am sure you will recall, we can help.'

I have no reason to believe some of the volunteers are not supportive at Lantern, but Wilmer has his eye & their stories on other more material things if they broadly fit the bill, and are receptive.

Add to that Exaro's appeal for you to tell them your tale, and you too could be in the Sunday People or Mirror.

Complainants get publicity and greater focus from the police, others get a nice wedge out of it.

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Post by Doug D on 12.12.15 12:55

As I said previously, there is so much mis-information and mis-direction with all of these investigations it is difficult to pull out the bits of truth, but with the sheer volume of stories out there, (deliberate policy to discredit everything and everyone?) there surely has to be some truth behind at least some of them.

We know that a number of the old stories that were just dismissed as scurrilous rubbish back in the day have now been verified, with successful, albeit overdue, prosecutions so gradually the truths are coming to the surface
 
It is just so similar to all the obfuscation in the McCann saga, it makes you wonder whether the CM team are on the case.
 
The Twitteratinews blog goes to great lengths to rubbish just about everyone who comes into the public eye in respect of CSA and presumably it is ‘the powers that be’ who have successfully managed to get everyone involved arguing and falling out with each other (again, so McCann-like) to add substance to the establishments ‘it’s all nonsense and didn’t happen’ angle. Anyone who says otherwise is just a conspiracy nut. Some is clearly down to ego, but certainly not all.

Discredit Exaro, as they won't toe the MSM 'pro-establishment' line, again just makes absolute sense. Private Eye were effectively brought to heal years ago, with Hislop under imminent threat of a prison sentence if he didn't at least partly conform.
 
It cannot be difficult for any honest police force to sort the wheat from the chaff with all of these personalities and surely Baker and Tomlin just would not still be getting Home Office time if there was no substance to any of their claims and Staffordshire police have already reported an arrest in the case.
 
Baker tag-teaming with Poulton has not done her credibility any more good, but hey-ho, that’s actually great and just plays into the establishment’s master plan for public perception to accept that there is nothing to be seen.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.12.15 13:56

@Doug D wrote:As I said previously, there is so much mis-information and mis-direction with all of these investigations it is difficult to pull out the bits of truth, but with the sheer volume of stories out there, (deliberate policy to discredit everything and everyone?) there surely has to be some truth behind at least some of them.

REPLY:  I agree 100% with everything you've said in that sentence. My purpose in airing the doubts about Esther Baker (and Darren) are indeed an attempt to sort out information from misinformation, the wheat from the chaff. I share your desire that every child abuser, no matter how low or high they are, should be brought to justice     

We know that a number of the old stories that were just dismissed as scurrilous rubbish back in the day have now been verified, with successful, albeit overdue, prosecutions so gradually the truths are coming to the surface.

REPLY: Also agreed.
 
It is just so similar to all the obfuscation in the McCann saga, it makes you wonder whether the CM team are on the case.

REPLY: If you mean loads of false trails and sowing confusion, then yes.
 
The Twitteratinews blog goes to great lengths to rubbish just about everyone who comes into the public eye in respect of CSA

REPLY: There I tend to part company with you. My initial reaction to that blog is that it is a sincere attempt to expose a probable fraud - Esther Baker - and to shed light on the rather grubby activities of the Wilmers and their 'Lantern Project'.
 
and presumably it is ‘the powers that be’ who have successfully managed to get everyone involved arguing and falling out with each other (again, so McCann-like) to add substance to the establishments ‘it’s all nonsense and didn’t happen’ angle. Anyone who says otherwise is just a conspiracy nut. Some is clearly down to ego, but certainly not all.

REPLY: As food for thought, I am providing below extracts from two reports on Exaro News by long time anti-child abuse campaigner Michael Murrin. It was he who came across (he says) the fact that Jimmy Savile was a member, or even leader, of Paedophile Information Exchange, and he has blogged frequently about this, and for a long time before Exaro News was even a twinkling in the eye of Timothy Andrew Pendry (see below). Murrin seems to me to be a sincere campaigner and worth giving a hearing.

The close link between the founder of Exaro News and current Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn (see below) is of at least passing interest. 

Discredit Exaro, as they won't toe the MSM 'pro-establishment' line, again just makes absolute sense. Private Eye were effectively brought to heel years ago, with Hislop under imminent threat of a prison sentence if he didn't at least partly conform.
 
It cannot be difficult for any honest police force to sort the wheat from the chaff with all of these personalities and surely Baker and Tomlin just would not still be getting Home Office time if there was no substance to any of their claims and Staffordshire police have already reported an arrest in the case.

REPLY: One arrest months ago and no charge.
 
Baker tag-teaming with Poulton has not done her credibility any more good, but hey-ho, that’s actually great and just plays into the establishment’s master plan for public perception to accept that there is nothing to be seen.

REPLY: Could well be. Especially bearing in mind how pally Sonia Poulton is with SKY News and that it was SKY News who also began all the 'hype' about Esther Baker.   
REPORT 1 from Michael Murrin


EXARO NEWS LTD - A SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT  

I have extensive experience in the investigation of corruption linked to politicians and the public sector.  I have a proven track record of success in this line of work.  I am extremely competent when it comes to research and my intuitive judgement has proved to be excellent.  I have sought to make sense of Exaro but I struggle to conclude whether it is, in fact, a legitimate news agency or, in fact, a detective agency masquerading a news agency. 

My rational judgement tells me it needs further investigation. My intuitive judgement tells me the organisation is most likely linked to Security Service attempts to subvert the interests of the campaigners. Either way I strongly advise you and your colleagues to give it a wide berth until such time as my Inquiries are complete."

Tom Mangold:  “...... The truth of the matter is we were commissioned to do the original film by a man who was a Colonel in British Military Intelligence and the Director General at the time, Sir Ian Trethowan, was a man with a very close, and a very unhealthy, relationship with MI5.  I think what happened was that the Security Services were keen to discover, through me and my team, what could be learned about,

a) the true relationship between Thorpe and Scott, and,
b) what kind of information was accessible.  

“And once they had it, how would they handle it. I think we were quite unwittingly used as gatherers of information, ostensibly for the BBC, but I have every reason to believe that that information went straight from the     BBC to MI5...”

The current campaign to bring to public account those in the political domain who have violated and, allegedly, murdered children is of a different order of magnitude to the scandal involving Jeremy Thorpe.  MI5 and Special Branch are obviously at work. Remember the words of  the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall, John Alderson.

"...They infiltrate organisations, people's jobs and lives. They operate almost like a cancer." 

"...the acorn of a Stasi [the former East German communists' secret service] has been planted. It is there for future governments to build on."

I ask you, and other activists, to be aware of this reality and to act accordingly.


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The searches upon which the preliminary report into Exaro was based failed to locate PENDRY INTEGRA LIMITED (1,1a). This company was incorporated on 5th February 2003. The Company is now dissolved.

The sole director is listed as Mr Timothy Andrew Pendry. Date of Birth, 13/08/1955.  Appointment date – 05/02/2003. Address – Town House, 64 Dudley Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, TN1 1LF.

The company secretary is listed as Jenina Ruth Bas Pendry. Date of Birth - 06/09/1959. Appointment date - 05/02/2003.  Address - Town House, 64 Dudley Road, Royal Tunbridge Wells, Kent, TN1 1LF.

Among the former directorships listed for Jenina Ruth Bas Pendry is THE HIGHBURY VALE-BLACKSTOCK TRUST. Company number 02849848.

Date of appointment - 10/11/98.  Date of resignation - 18/01/01. The company was incorporated on 02/09/93. The web address is http://www.elizabeth-house.org.uk.  The Principal Activity of the company is listed as “The provision of facilities for recreation with the objects of improving the conditions of life and social welfare of the inhabitants of the London Borough of Islington, Haringey and Hackney. A registered charity, limited by guarantee. T/O = Total Incoming Resources.”

Mr  Jeremy Bernard Corbyn, MP is listed as a director of  THE HIGHBURY VALE-BLACKSTOCK TRUST. The appointment date is listed as 11/08/1998. His Date of Birth is listed as - 26/05/1949. The address is listed as 48b Berriman Road, London, N7 7PS. 

Mr Corbyn’s other directorships are listed as…  [REST SNIPPED]

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Post by Doug D on 13.12.15 11:19

I would give more credence to ‘Twitterati’ if he wrote in a more professional manner, rather than just constant abusive attempts to discredit those who have been prepared to publically come forward in the knowledge that they will be at the receiving end of orchestrated ‘hate’ campaigns against them.
 
I have no personal knowledge of any of these people, but notice that Sharon Evans has joined the panel of ‘Reflections’ alongside Jenny Tomlin, Esther Baker and others.
 
I was impressed with the way she stood up to Vaz & co last year, just before the first CSA panel was disbanded and doubt that she would jeopardise her own ‘Dot Com Foundation’ with a link up, if she had any doubts about the veracity of the other panel members.
 
I have posted an article from a seemingly well-respected ‘survivor’ of church abuse on the following thread this morning:
 
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12240-an-abuse-survivors-tale-julie-macfarlane-11th-december-2015-church-times#329137
 
and find it very interesting to see the thought processes she talks about, the timescales involved in her reporting and the ‘defend and discredit’ machine that works against her.
  
Without evidence to the contrary, I am prepared to give these people the benefit of the doubt, even if some stories come out a little disjointed, but there are no doubt sleepers and imposters already in the system, ready to muddy the waters when called upon.

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The original 8-minute SKY News report where alleged child sexual abuse victim Esther Baker gave an account of how she was regularly sexually abused on Cannock Chase by groups of Lords, judges & MPs, with uniformed police ofiicers sometimes standing guard

Post by Tony Bennett on 13.12.15 11:46

@Doug D wrote:...Sharon Evans has joined the panel of ‘Reflections’ alongside Jenny Tomlin, Esther Baker and others...
So that members and guests here can take a look at how this story originally broke on SKY News at 11.07am on Tuesday, 26 May 2015, here - without comment - is the video of Esther Baker's testimony (8 minutes long) and the accompanying SKY News internet report, still online:

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http://news.sky.com/story/1490565/abuse-survivor-cops-guarded-as-i-was-raped  [ Play video "Child Abuse Inquiry Will Be Robust" ]

11:07, UK, Tuesday 26 May 2015

By Tom Parmenter, Sky News Correspondent

A woman has told Sky News how uniformed police officers stood guard as abusers sexually assaulted her as a young girl.

Waiving her right to anonymity, Esther Baker, 32, spoke exclusively to Sky News about her tormented childhood that saw her sexually abused by men at various locations.

She claimed police officers would stand guard for the perpetrators and on some occasions even joined in the abuse in woodland on Cannock Chase in Staffordshire.

She said: "I got the feeling very much that they were protecting somebody, that they were with one of the men.

"One of them (police officers) I knew from church. There were a few occasions where they would be in uniform, and I kind of knew, I learnt that when they were in uniform that it was going to be a rough night.

[ Pic: Acting Assistant Chief Constable Jon Drake of Staffordshire Police ]

"On occasion they would - they would sort of join in," she added.

Ms Baker recalls one police officer apologising to her.

"There was one that I can remember, one of the times I tried to run away and tried to get away from them and he came after me, caught up with me and he was carrying me back to where the rest of them were and he said he was sorry," she said.

From the age of six, Ms Baker was taken to be abused by different men on Cannock Chase, at various properties around Staffordshire and beyond.

Other children were often there and sometimes they were given alcohol: "We were all pretty much the same, same ages, we never spoke, I don't know where they came from, who brought them."

She says the sexual abuse was often filmed and involved men of varying ages from different parts of the country.

She said: "I don't quite know how to explain. I was brought up in a religious household and one thing that kept me so sure that what they were doing was right was that there were references to people, Lords and a judge.

"I picked up on those names, because I thought one of them must have been God because one of them was 'Our Lord'.

"I just thought that they were on God's authority."

Decades on, Ms Baker has now finally decided to speak out and has made the painful decision to approach the police again, who have assured her that her claims will be investigated thoroughly.

She has recently taken part in a series of gruelling video interviews with detectives recounting the abuse.

She decided to speak to Sky News in the hope of finding other victims or the police officers who were involved.

She said: "I would say to the one that was sorry that he knows who these people were and why they were there.

"I need them to fill in the gaps that I just don't know, I need people that were adults then but they couldn't stop it for whatever reason, it is time for them to stop it now." 

The other children who were allegedly abused on Cannock Chase may also hold vital information.

Ms Baker added: "I know they are terrified to come forward, I know what they were told, I know what threats were made and I know why they are scared.

"But every one of us that comes forward will hold a different piece of the puzzle. I can't fill it in on my own."

Ms Baker has given the name of one politician to the police and a detailed account of the years of abuse.

She said: "I always swore I would never go near the police again - never ... but I have hid it for 20 years, that has not worked, that hasn't taken the fear away - I have got nothing to lose anymore."

Ms Baker has ongoing support from the Lantern Project on Merseyside who work with survivors of sexual abuse.

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I have been to Cannock Chase on many occasions and can vouch for its remoteness but why on earth conduct illegal activities in a public place? Again, ( quote )..............'' On occasion they would - they would sort of join in," she added( my underlining )
 I have to say I thoroughly distrust anybody these days who uses that meaningless expression. Sort of ? They either DID  or they DIDN'T !

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Post by Amy Dean on 13.12.15 12:46

It's the mention of these alleged activities in a public place which make me doubt the entire credibility of Esther Baker.
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Post by Jill Havern on 20.01.18 7:34

Abuse probe farce: 'Fantasist' who claimed she was raped by an MP she had 'never met' is named as a special witness for the child sex inquiry


  • Esther Baker was made a ‘core participant’ in the inquiry into child sex abuse 
  • Core participants are entitled to apply for taxpayer-funded legal representation
  • Decision came just months after police dropped investigation into her claims against Liberal Democrat ex-MP John Hemming


A woman accused of lying about a Westminster paedophile plot has been awarded special status at a public inquiry into child sex abuse.

Esther Baker, who made unsubstantiated rape allegations against a former Liberal Democrat MP, has been made a ‘core participant’ at the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

Core participants are entitled to apply for taxpayer-funded legal representation. They can also make opening and closing statements at hearings, suggest lines of questioning, and receive electronic disclosure of evidence.

The decision to give her special status comes months after police dropped an investigation into her claims against ex-MP John Hemming. Prosecutors ruled there was insufficient evidence to press charges.

He and others had been accused by Miss Baker of repeatedly raping her in a forest at Cannock Chase, Staffordshire, in the 1980s and 1990s when she was between the ages of six and 11 – while police kept guard.

She waived her legal right to anonymity in 2015 to give a TV interview about her alleged ordeal.

Mr Hemming was voluntarily interviewed under caution by Staffordshire Police, but not arrested, and made a formal allegation to police that Miss Baker had perverted the course of justice.

She emphatically denies being a fantasist and making up her rape story.

Last night Mr Hemming said: ‘Appointing a complainant who has a public track record of continually changing her public allegations as a core participant brings the inquiry into disrepute.

‘She should not be trusted with the information available to core participants and under no circumstances should she get any public funding.’

Details of Mr Hemming’s claims, which he says support his complaint that Miss Baker perverted the course of justice, appear in legal papers seen by the Daily Mail.

In a High Court witness statement this month, the ex-MP claimed that two weeks before she accused him of rape, Miss Baker had emailed him and sought his help.

He said: ‘She did not accuse me of being a rapist … she said she had been abused as a child in a faith-related paedophile ring. Her own MP and the Prime Minister did not assist her so she forwarded the email to me asking for my help.

‘I believe this was because of my high-profile involvement with Justice for Families. I suggest she contact the police. There is no mention of myself or a Labour cabinet minister (whom she also accused of sex offences).’

In his statement, part of legal action he is taking against a supporter of Miss Baker, Mr Hemming alleged that prior to accusing him she tweeted that she had ‘never’ met an MP.

‘Yet only a few weeks later Baker claimed to have met two politicians – one myself … whom she claimed to have identified as the man who both raped and sexually assaulted her,’ he said.

In September, Mr Hemming told of his ordeal after Miss Baker, whom he said he had never met, accused him of being in a Westminster paedophile ring.

He said: ‘Although it was obvious from the start that the allegations were nonsense, it has taken two-and-a-half years for this to be resolved. The system is too tolerant of false allegations.’

In January 2015 Miss Baker, 35, claimed she was abused in a church setting but did not mention politicians.

She accused Mr Hemming in May that year. In September she said she had asked the Crown Prosecution Service to review its decision not to press charges.

Former Tory MP Harvey Proctor, falsely accused of child sex and murder by an alleged fantasist called ‘Nick’, said: ‘Esther Baker is discredited. It beggars belief … I always thought the IICSA would become a circus.’

According to IICSA’s website it is the inquiry chairman who would grant Miss Baker special status in the Westminster part of the inquiry.

IICSA, set up in 2014, is on its fourth chairman, following the resignation of judge Dame Lowell Goddard after she allegedly lost the confidence of senior colleagues.

Ben Emerson QC, former senior counsel to the inquiry, quit after being suspended over concerns about his leadership.

He was later cleared of separate allegations of sexual assault and sexual harassment. An IICSA spokesman declined to answer questions on Miss Baker’s special status.

In response to questions from the Mail last night, Miss Baker said: ‘Consider the motives of those questioning the legitimacy of my status … and of my evidence.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5290691/Esther-Baker-named-special-witness-sex-abuse-inquiry.html
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My 19 word quote to the Daily Mail was “consider the motives of those questioning the legitimacy of my status as a core participant and of my evidence” Amazing how they didn’t manage to squeeze the full quote into their large propaganda piece.
 
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Let me make this clear. The only people aware of the evidence in my case are myself, the police, CPS and to a lesser extent for now the IICSA No media are aware of the extent for good reason. The case is still ongoing as are others. As such I am unable to comment & defend myself
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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.11.18 18:22

At long last, the pretend child abuse victim, fantasist and outright liar Esther Baker is, it seems, formally under police investigation for making false allegations of rape by high profile MPs, judges, vicars and other individuals.

In this respect, is she soon to join that other malicious fantasist, 'Nick', who has now been charged with making similar false allegations?

Let it be noted that Sonia Poulton was a co-conspirator with Esther Baker in an attempt to prosecute Simon Just and Darren Laverty. The case was heading for a 5-day Crown Court hearing last summer but was spectacularly abandoned at the last minute when a senior Crown Prosecution Service lawyer saw disclosures that were said to show that Baker & Poulton had inittated the trolling and malicious communications.

The report below is worth reading as it implicates Exaro News, its former editor Mark Watts  and former Guardian Social Affairs Correspondent David Hencke and others in promoting Esther Baker's absurd allegations...


 http://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=6098
  

I would only add that making false allegations like this only makes it more difficult to bring down the REAL high-lvel perpetrators of child sexual abuse

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Post by willowthewisp on 22.11.18 18:43

To Mr Tony Bennett,if "Esther Baker,Darren Nick" are Fantasists and bear false witness,then where does that leave Alexis Jays,IICSA inquiry,which has put back evidence on Lord Janner being Prosecuted by CPS/DPP on Three separate occasions,was the CPS/DPP Fanatasists aswell!

All those "Church Officials" with false claims made against them,where their bosses sanctioned their disappearance from public,on "New Church missions",but No child abuse?

So are you stating there has been No child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in Ireland,involving DUP,MP's,Elm Guest House,Dolphin Square!
No child abuse at Bryn Alyn,Estyn,Wrexham Care Home,with Leads to Boroughs in and around London!

By the sounds emitting from your article,a certain well renowned "Pop Star" has never been on a "Special Guest List" from Elm Guest House,it was a figment of imagination by the late Carole Kaiser,whose life ended rather early(suicided,Insulin)?
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@willowthewisp wrote:To Mr Tony Bennett,if "Esther Baker,Darren Nick" are Fantasists and bear false witness,then where does that leave Alexis Jays,IICSA inquiry,which has put back evidence on Lord Janner being Prosecuted by CPS/DPP on Three separate occasions,was the CPS/DPP Fanatasists aswell!

All those "Church Officials" with false claims made against them,where their bosses sanctioned their disappearance from public,on "New Church missions",but No child abuse?

So are you stating there has been No child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in Ireland,involving DUP,MP's,Elm Guest House,Dolphin Square!
No child abuse at Bryn Alyn,Estyn,Wrexham Care Home,with Leads to Boroughs in and around London!

By the sounds emitting from your article,a certain well renowned "Pop Star" has never been on a "Special Guest List" from Elm Guest House,it was a figment of imagination by the late Carole Kaiser,whose life ended rather early(suicided,Insulin)?

You have totally, totally misunderstood what I was saying.

Just because someone makes an allegation, doesn't make it true. Look e.g. at the countless false allegations of rape we've seen from women in the past few years.

You wrote: "So are you stating there has been no child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in Ireland, involving DUP, MP's..."

Where oh where do you get that from? Go and read all that I've written on this forum about the abuse of boys at Kincora Boys Home and whether Jim Gamble knew about it. Read what I've written about North Wales, Islington Childrens' Homes, Gordon Anglesea, Staffordshire Pin-Down, Haut la Garenne etc. etc.

And please read my posts more carefully

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Post by BlueBag on 23.11.18 8:34

People lie.

For all kinds of reasons.

Just because a "victim" says something happened doesn't mean it did.

Even some women lie about rape (sorry but women are not a special case no matter how much the left-wing nut jobs want us to "believe all women").

Actual evidence is required... which is admittedly difficult in some cases.
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Post by willowthewisp on 23.11.18 16:54

@BlueBag wrote:People lie.

For all kinds of reasons.

Just because a "victim" says something happened doesn't mean it did.

Even some women lie about rape (sorry but women are not a special case no matter how much the left-wing nut jobs want us to "believe all women").

Actual evidence is required... which is admittedly difficult in some cases.
Hi Mr Tony Bennett,Bluebag,yes person's do not always tell the "Truth",disappearance of Madeleine McCann a classic example,with mendacious manipulators from the "Establishment Government,UK"aka,Kincora Boys Home?

Yes, people make an allegation,as you stated,the"Authority investigates the allegation" but what happens if the allegation is True,but they are too afraid to follow the evidence they have found through to its supposition?

Do they go to Trail in a Court of Law or use all their legal restraints to avoid Court appearances!

Do they have very secret"Fairy's" that disappear the evidence,Met Police,MI5/6,take your pick,as they are very involved with this type of "Cover Up"?

Discredit the "witnesses claiming they are"fantasists,Liars,vivid imaginations as Teenagers(your words)!

All of the above have been used in Madeleine McCann's disappearance case?

Mr Robert Murat flew out to Portugal on what date 30 April/1 May 2007,met Gerry McCann for the First time on 4 May 2007! 

Met Mr Kennedy and legal teams(Job Offer,my arse) who was representing Kate,Gerry,Robert,all three arquidos,but there is nothing wrong,its all kosher,are you having a laugh,talk about justice for Madeleine,Three people who are not meant to speak about the case,have a representative discuss the case with Legal Teams,No "Perverting a  Course of Justice", their then!
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Post by willowthewisp on 23.11.18 18:10

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@willowthewisp wrote:To Mr Tony Bennett,if "Esther Baker,Darren Nick" are Fantasists and bear false witness,then where does that leave Alexis Jays,IICSA inquiry,which has put back evidence on Lord Janner being Prosecuted by CPS/DPP on Three separate occasions,was the CPS/DPP Fanatasists aswell!

All those "Church Officials" with false claims made against them,where their bosses sanctioned their disappearance from public,on "New Church missions",but No child abuse?

So are you stating there has been No child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in Ireland,involving DUP,MP's,Elm Guest House,Dolphin Square!
No child abuse at Bryn Alyn,Estyn,Wrexham Care Home,with Leads to Boroughs in and around London!

By the sounds emitting from your article,a certain well renowned "Pop Star" has never been on a "Special Guest List" from Elm Guest House,it was a figment of imagination by the late Carole Kaiser,whose life ended rather early(suicided,Insulin)?

You have totally, totally misunderstood what I was saying.

Just because someone makes an allegation, doesn't make it true. Look e.g. at the countless false allegations of rape we've seen from women in the past few years.

You wrote: "So are you stating there has been no child abuse at Kincora Boys Home in Ireland, involving DUP, MP's..."

Where oh where do you get that from? Go and read all that I've written on this forum about the abuse of boys at Kincora Boys Home and whether Jim Gamble knew about it. Read what I've written about North Wales, Islington Childrens' Homes, Gordon Anglesea, Staffordshire Pin-Down, Haut la Garenne etc. etc.

And please read my posts more carefully
Esther Baker is currently working for Alexis Jays IICSA Inquiry?

Mr Bennett,You described Esther Baker as a "Pretend Fantasist and outright Liar",how have I misunderstood your words when an Inquiry into child abuse allegations led by Dame Alexis Jay has a so called Fantasist working on that inquiry! 

So someone believes Esther Baker has told the Truth to child Abuse or otherwise the Inquiry is flawed with a so called Fantasist,Liar you stated on child abuse?

Do you then presume that the IICSA Inquiry is a continued "Cover Up" of child abuse hidden from the public gaze by Ma Learned friends and cohorts from Parliament,Geoffrey Dickens documents,files.

Lord Janners case put back by IICSA alongside IOPC Metropolitan Police evidence submitted to them,No collusion!

Then "Nicks" Trail for "Perverting a Course of Justice,11 Counts+1 Fraud put back to March 2019?

Harvey Proctors Civil Claim for One Million pounds,Operation Midland,still not settled March 2019 perhaps,after "Nicks" Trail?
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Replying to willowthewisp:

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Esther Baker is currently working for Alexis Jays IICSA Inquiry?

No. She is merely a 'core participant'. All that means is that she is a witness to the Alexis Jay enquiry. It means that the enquiry thought she might have relevant information to assist the enquiry. She is not 'working for' Alexis Jay's IICSA enquiry - merely assisting it as a witness. 

Mr Bennett, You described Esther Baker as a "Pretend Fantasist and outright Liar",how have I misunderstood your words when an Inquiry into child abuse allegations led by Dame Alexis Jay has a so called Fantasist working on that inquiry! 

I stand by my opinion of Esther Baker as stated above based on a considerable degree of research about her. I also take into account the conduct of her and fellow-accuser Sonia Poulton in the case against Darren Laverty and Simon Just for which the police and the CPS last year arranged a 5-day Crown Court case. It collapsed at the last minute because the evidence of their internet communications showed that Baker and Poulton had begun the abusive trolling.     

So someone believes Esther Baker has told the Truth to child Abuse or otherwise the Inquiry is flawed with a so called Fantasist,Liar you stated on child abuse?

The enquiry believes that Esther Baker MAY have told the truth - that is all. I would advise you to await further developments.

Do you then presume that the IICSA Inquiry is a continued "Cover Up" of child abuse hidden from the public gaze by Ma Learned friends and cohorts from Parliament,Geoffrey Dickens documents,files.

Yes and No. I see already that our Prime Minister Theresa May has ordered shoals of MI5 files to be PERMANENTLY WITHHELD from the IICSA enquiry. That tells me that the enquiry is most unlikely to get to the worst high-level paedophiles of this country. (And she backs Operation Grange as a genuine enquiry and has allowed in to run for 7 years 6 months so far)   

Lord Janners case put back by IICSA alongside IOPC Metropolitan Police evidence submitted to them,No collusion!

I have an open mind on Greville Janner but I always believed the Frank Beck case and enquiry virtually established Jenner's guilt.

Then "Nicks" Trail for "Perverting a Course of Justice,11 Counts+1 Fraud put back to March 2019?

I personally believe that 'Nick' is likely to be found guilty unless there is a technicality or some other flaw in the case. And I now know exactly who Nick is.

Harvey Proctors Civil Claim for One Million pounds,Operation Midland,still not settled March 2019 perhaps,after "Nicks" Trail?

I suspect that Harvey Proctor will win his claim and that Operation Midland will be found to have been one of the most incompetent police investigations ever carried out in this country. 

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Mr Tony Bennett,thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts on the correspondence i sent to you via CMMoM.

Your comments on Granvile Janner and how Mr Franck Beck ended up being framed for his part of child abuse by Leicestershire Police Force(McCann's)assisting Officers fails to explain,how an Accuser,becomes an accused person,when your identity is supposed to be protected by the Police,Laws of the UK in criminal procedures?
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@willowthewisp wrote:Mr Tony Bennett,thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts on the correspondence i sent to you via CMMoM.

Your comments on Granvile Janner and how Mr Franck Beck ended up being framed for his part of child abuse by Leicestershire Police Force(McCann's)assisting Officers fails to explain,how an Accuser,becomes an accused person,when your identity is supposed to be protected by the Police,Laws of the UK in criminal procedures?
I fear that once again you may have misunderstood some points.

Of course an accuser can become an accused, if s/he has deliberately made a false accusation against someone.

Making a false accusation against another is a particularly wicked crime, so much so that in Elizabethan days anyone found guilty of making a false accusations against another received the punishment of being branded with a hot iron the letters 'F' 'A' on their forehead. That certainly warned the good folk of England at that time to keep well clear of them!

[ 'Making a false accusation' by the way is NOT the same as questioning - with evidence - a dubious claim that someone may have made that their child has been abducted ].  

Secondly, where did you get the idea that either the accuser or accused is entitled to have their identity kept secret, or 'protected', as you called it. Broadly speaking, we have open justice in this country; the name of the accused is made clear when they are produced in court and charged with a criminal offence, and the accuser will of course have to give evidence of the alleged crime in court, where his/her evidence can be tested.

An exception is made for 'minors', which I believe the day means: Under-18.  

Much more controversially, an exception was made many years ago for victims of rape to remain anonymous. It was said that anonymity would enable more rape victims to report their crimes. This may have happened to a limited extent. But the law has sadly been abused many times over by women crying 'rape' when there never was any rape - as a plethora of recent cases has proved beyond doubt.     

It is uneven justice for an accuser to remain anonymous while the accused is named. Grave injustices have been done to many men by this unfair rule.  

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I couldn't really follow what you were saying about Frank Beck. Framed??

For your benefit and for other readers here, here part of Wikipedia's entry on him:

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FRANK BECK
 

Allegations, investigation and arrest [ edit] 

During the early 1980s, the number of complaints made about Beck's deployment of sexual and physical abuse and the unconventional methods he used as a child-care practitioner began to escalate. Complaints and concerns were aired not just by the young people in his 'care', but also by other members of staff and visiting professional agencies.  

In 1983, Beck was charged with actual bodily harm against a 10-year-old boy who had been severely bruised across the buttocks after Beck had 'spanked' him. The boy had stayed at The Beeches Children's Home in Leicester for weekend respite care and Beck was subsequently arrested after the child's mother reported matters to the police. 

Beck was duly acquitted at the ensuing trial and benefited from adulatory testimonials of support elicited from other members of staff; such was the belief in Beck's professional integrity among senior managers of Leicestershire Social Services that it was not even deemed necessary to suspend him from duty, pending the outcome of the allegation. 

Beck's seemingly 'bomb-proof' invincibility saw him fend off a continued escalation of complaints, until finally, in March 1986, his career in Leicestershire was ended by a complaint of sexual abuse made by two male residential social workers at The Beeches, who claimed that Beck had made advances toward them during staff supervision sessions. This time, Beck was suspended from duty and he subsequently handed in his resignation rather than subject himself to investigations under the council's protracted disciplinary procedures and risk dismissal. 

Beck's resignation letter implicitly admitted the truth of the complaints (while at the same time calling them 'overstated'). "I cannot say how sorry I am", he wrote. 

Following temporary menial employment as a security guard, Beck later attempted to resurrect his social work career with 'Reliance Social Care', an agency supplying staff to social services departments in London. A reference was supplied to them by Brian Rice, the Director of Leicestershire Social Services who had replaced Dorothy Edwards in 1980 and which gave a positive appraisal of Beck's abilities in working with young people, with only a suggestion that the agency might wish to discuss with him the exact reasons for his resignation.[7] The same reference enabled him to gain a post at the Woodcock Hill Children's Home in Brent and he later moved on to Hertfordshire, where he was accused of sexual relationships with two clients, one an adolescent boy.[8] 

The complaint that finally led to Beck's last arrest came from a young mother who had formerly been in Beck's care at the Ratcliffe Road Children's Home. In 1989, she made disclosures of historical abuse suffered under the Beck regime, whilst attending parent-craft meetings run by her social worker at the Regent Street Nursery in Loughborough, Leicestershire. 

The social worker took these allegations to the police and helped pave the way for Britain's largest investigation into institutionalised child abuse. It led to police taking statements from nearly four hundred children in an operation which lasted for two and a half years, conducted by more than thirty police officers. Under the direction of the Leicestershire Constabulary, various other police authorities traced and interviewed former children in care across four continents.[9] 

At approximately 7.35 am on 14 April 1990, police officers executed a warrant of arrest at Beck's home in Braunstone, Leicester[10] and informed him that he was being arrested after an investigation into sexual misconduct in Leicestershire children's homes during the 1970s and 1980s. Beck is said to have replied, "Oh Jesus ... No!", and spent the next eighteen months on remand.[11] 
 

Trial and conviction [ edit]

On 29 November 1991, following an eleven-week trial at the Leicester Crown Court, Beck was sentenced to five life-terms for sexual and physical assaults against more than one hundred children in his care. He was sentenced to a further twenty-four years on seventeen charges of abuse, including rape.[12] The term of five life-sentences remains as one of the most severe in British legal history since the ending of the death penalty for murder.[13] 

The case led to the Kirkwood Inquiry, chaired by Andrew Kirkwood QC. Sittings were held in secret to protect innocent third parties, but not all evidence was released to the public.[14] The inquiry reported in 1993 and was strongly critical of the management of Leicestershire Social Services during the 1970s and 1980s and of the conduct of several key managers.

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Mr Tony Bennett,pardon me for being misunderstood again,but if Mr Frank Beck had alleged that a certain MP had Sexually abused a person in his care,the Police who investigate the allegation have to keep the "Identity" from any known alleged parties named as the abuser?
So How did Granvile Janner know Mr Franck Beck had named him as the accuser!

In the Police files it clearly states Mr J,then fingered Mr Beck as the abuser,where the Police paid more attention to Frank Beck than Ma Learned friend,who had fingered each other but Granvile got away scott free,on Three separate occasions,coincidence or in the know?
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@willowthewisp wrote:Mr Tony Bennett,pardon me for being misunderstood again,but if Mr Frank Beck had alleged that a certain MP had Sexually abused a person in his care,the Police who investigate the allegation have to keep the "Identity" from any known alleged parties named as the abuser?
So How did Granvile Janner know Mr Franck Beck had named him as the accuser!

In the Police files it clearly states Mr J,then fingered Mr Beck as the abuser,where the Police paid more attention to Frank Beck than Ma Learned friend,who had fingered each other but Granvile got away scott free,on Three separate occasions,coincidence or in the know?
Quite interesting how "Evidence" of Mr Frank beck can be found o Sexual child abuse,yet the person named by Mr Beck has his evidence suppressed by the state!
It cost Mr Beck and his Solicitors life when trying to unveil sinister MP's child abuse claims,the CPS/DPP missed at least Three opportunities to bring charges against a named MP and since his departure from his life,Thirty Three person's have submitted claims of Child abuse against the Former Lords Estate,Civil Claims,are all these people "fanatasists,Liars" looking for a quick buck?
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