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PHYSICAL / APARTMENT / ENTRY

1. All five markers in a sample found under the tiles, behind the sofa (exactly where Eddie, the EVRD [Cadaver] dog and Keela, the CSI [Human Blood] dog, both indicated), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile

2. Fifteen of the markers, in a sample found under the luggage liner of the McCann?s Scenic (hired 24 days later), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile

3. Shutters were not jemmied or forced, as claimed by the parents

4. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the apartment

5. No physical evidence of anyone having entered or left via the window, including?

6. ?No Lichen disturbance

7. ?No Fibres

8. ?No Finger prints of abductor

9. ?No footprints on bed

10. Only finger prints on the window are those of Kate



DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann?s wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann?s rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger?s door of the McCann?s Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann?s hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle?s boot



TANNER SIGHTING

The only perceived evidence of ?abduction?, being the sighting by Jane Tanner at around 21.15 is riddled with inconsistencies and conflicting testimonies, being the fact that?

24. ?None of the scent tracking Search & Rescue dogs followed that trail, and in fact followed another trail completely

25. ?Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to spot the ?abductor?, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Gerry

26. ?Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to see Jane Tanner walking by, despite being on the same narrow sidewalk at the same time

27. ?Gerry himself failed to spot the ?abductor?, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Jeremy

28. ?Gerry contradicted Jeremy by stating that their chat was on the opposite side of the road from that as described, and drawn on a map, by Mr Wilkins

29. ?Gerry also contradicted Tanner, by stating that his chat with Jeremy was on the opposite side of the road from that mentioned by Jane

30. ?Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking to her apartment at 21.15

31. ?Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking from her apartment at 21.20

32. ?Jane never bumped into Jeremy Wilkins (who had walked back to his apartment after the chat with Gerry) while walking back from her apartment at 21.20

33. ?Russell O?Brien failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking to his apartment at 21.30

34. ?Matthew Oldfield failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking to his apartment, which was right next door, at 21.30

35. ?Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains while checking on Madeleine and the twins

36. ?Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking from his apartment back to the Tapas at around 21.35

37. ?Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking to her apartment at 21.45

38. ?Russell failed to spot the open window and shutters and blowing curtains coming from Madeleine?s bedroom while walking back from his apartment at 21.50

39. ?Tanner?s description has changed several times

40. ?It makes no sense, especially if (as the McCann?s claim) that this was a well planned abduction, that the abductor walks across the very road used by the parents to check on their children

41... The abductor failed to hear either Tanner, Gerry or Wilkins, and continued on the path that would put him in the full vision of all three

42... If the abductor had lifted Madeleine out of the bed, then he would be carrying with her head to his right hand side, not on the left as in Tanner?s claimed sighting



SMITH SIGHTING

43. The Smith family (independent witnesses) sighting has, with the exception of one brief mention two years later, been completely ignored by the McCann?s and their private detectives from day one (no e-fit / press conference / media onslaught) despite the fact that?

44. ?There was huge publicity given to the Tanner sighting, including the pressure put on the Portuguese authorities to get the details out there

45. ?The Smith family descriptions have never changed

46. ?The sighting was only minutes before the 'alarm' was raised

47. ?The sighting was only 250 metres from the apartment

48. ?This sighting would have explained many of the inconsistencies of the Tanner sighting as mentioned above

49. ?There were several members of the family who witnessed this man carrying a child

50. The general area and timing of the sighting made by the family can be corroborated by a restaurant receipt for that evening

51. The general description of the man could fit Gerry McCann

52. The description of the child matches Madeleine

53. The type of trousers match those possessed by Gerry

54. Trousers match in terms of colour

55. Trousers even match in terms of the visible buttons as mentioned by one of the family

56. Martin and his wife later identified the carrier, through the distinctive carrying style, as being Gerry McCann


Given much of the above, the remarkable coincidence that?

57. The pressure put on the PJ to highlight the Tanner sighting came at exactly the same time as the Smith family were being brought back to Portugal to go over the sighting in more detail

58. The sighting was in a different part of town from the Tanner sighting

59. It was also heading in a completely different direction

60. The carrying style was completely different to that of the Tanner sighting

61. And yet? the McCann?s deliberately altered the Smith sighting carrying style so as to match that of the Tanner sighting, during the only ever significant mention of the sighting, in a McCann made reconstruction aired only a few days after Amaral?s (in which he included the Smith sighting)

62. They also tried to morph the carrier into the same man as seen by Tanner, despite significant differences in descriptions



BEHAVIOURAL

There are many instances of strange behaviour from the McCann?s, not being consistent with parents of a child abducted by paedophiles, including (but not limited to)?

63. Kate complaining about the speed of a police vehicle while being take to look into a new lead at PJ HQ (sighting caught on CCTV)

64. Gerry laughing and joking and sucking lollipops while one of the most significant abduction leads came to a climax

65. Very little mention of the huge award available over the last three years

66. Despite raising millions through their fund, and spending thousands on media monitoring, they continue to charge for travel kits and for printing off posters designed to help find their daughter

67. Lack of physical searching during the first few days

68. Lack of physically handing out leaflets / putting up posters themselves

69. Hiring cowboy private detectives with no expertise or experience in finding children

70. Gerry smirking when asked by a Sky News presenter how he feels when someone comes forward who is certain that they have seen Madeleine

71. When up to 14 possible sightings of Madeleine emerged in Malta, resulting in a huge police operation including Interpol, the McCann?s hot footed it to Germany for more TV plugs

72. When the most promising sighting of all was made in Belgium, a 110% certain sighting by a child therapist, considered so credible by authorities that they despatched a forensics team, the McCanns went looking in Huelva, Spain

73. Gerry?s initial claim, as overheard by another holidaymaker, within minutes of the alarm being raised, that Madeleine had been taken by paedophiles. How did he know that?

74. Gerry caught on Camera laughing his head off only a few days after his daughter had been ?abducted by paedophiles? as claimed by the parents

75. Despite refuting the claims of the dogs / Scenic findings, the McCann?s continued to submit ridiculous reasoning for them, including Sea bass, sweat, dirty nappies, rubbish en-route to dump, rotten meat, and attending to 6 bodies before the holiday, amongst others

76. Kate refusing to answer 48 police questions

77. The McCann?s and their holiday friends all refusing to attend a police reconstruction

78. Despite the Madeleine?s disappearance looking like an inside job from the outset, the McCann?s and their friends were happy enough returning their children to the MW creche just hours later, despite not knowing if any of the staff were involved

79. When Kate raised the alarm, she ran back to the table, leaving the twins in the apartment while not knowing whether the abductor(s) were still onsite

80. Kate shouting ?They?ve taken her!?, not distinguishing between Madeleine and her sister Amelie



STRANGE QUOTES
... from the McCann?s and their friends, including?

81. David Payne: ?"...then Kate came back just after ten o? clock, you know absolutely distraught err you know just, you know her face I?ll never forget. It was A FACE OF SOMEONE?S CHILD who had been taken?"

82. Gerry : ?"We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing (...) It wouldn?t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that" said just a moth after she vanished

83. Kate : "I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppance worth."

84. Gerry : "I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine?s disappearance in the long term." Again from June 2007 - how did he know she wouldn?t be found before then?

85. Russell O?Brien : "I have nothing further to tell you. I am not going to dishonour the compromise I assumed with Kate and Gerry. They want to control all information that is disclosed"

86. Gerry : "It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people that Madeleine's still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period."

87. David Payne : "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else?s business"

88. Rachel Oldfield : "they would know what to do to resuscitate a child"

89. Gerry : ?wasn?t as bad as the night we found her?



STATEMENT INCONSISTENCIES

90. When describing Madeleine sleeping that night, Kate said she was ?under the covers? where as Gerry mentioned that his daughter ?slept without the covers, as was normal?

91. Matthew Oldfield initially claimed that Kate and the children were at the tennis courts when he arrived there at 18.30 where as the rest of the Tapas 9 claim otherwise

92. David Payne?s 18.30 / 18.40 check on Kate (last person out with the parents to see Madeleine) : According to Kate the sliding door was closed, and that David didn?t actually enter the apartment, remaining at the door. But according to David, the door was open and he ?definitely? entered the apartment.

93. Matt Oldfield chivvying up the Payne?s at 21.00 : Matt claims he passed them near the top of the road, but David claims to have passed him by the swimming pool, Fiona claims to have passed him outside 5A, and Dianne Webster initially claimed that Matthew wasn?t even there.

94. Prior to the PJ arriving at 12:40/12:50 Russell O'Brien has written the timeline for them all, including, ?Jane tanner sees stranger walking carrying child.? He does this while Gerry McCann sits at the same table. However, according to Jane Tanner it?s three o' clock in the morning when she informs Gerry McCann for the first time



OTHER

95. Various other possible withheld evidence as hinted at, including intercepted phone calls / text messages

96. Independent witness statement (from McCann neighbour) regarding the luggage door of the McCann?s hire vehicle being open morning, noon and night

97. Gerry?s missing hold-all / tennis / kit bag which he was seen with the day Madeleine disappeared cannot be located by detectives

98. Gaspar (UK GPs) statements detailing concerns about the father and one of his friends on holiday with them

99. Yvonne Martin (Social Worker) statement regarding concerns about the same friend

100. This same friend calls the Metropolitan Police Crime Specialist Director (a number which is also used as the out of hours contact for the Met?s Child Abuse Investigation Team) 24 hours after the alarm



It reminds me of a quote from the FBI?

"Taken alone, each piece of evidence might be argued, but together, enough pebbles become a block of evidentiary granite."
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Post by garfy on 13.07.10 9:01

well done ruby 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 351181 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 351181

they say they are suing amaral as he hinders the search for maddie...........yet if they had taken the lie detector test....no one could have hindered the search....all the things they have let maddie down with........claiming they had left her alone...crying in the dark.....even maddie's identity to the last...of maddie being the real victim....

they have even robbed her of that....by the arrogance of themselves...as being the real victims
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Post by Jill Havern on 13.07.10 10:00

Yes, thank you for finding that Ruby. I tried to edit it but didn't make a brilliant job of it.

However, I've put this list of reasons on my blog as a post 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 759815

Love your new avatar by the way 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 110921
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Post by Ruby on 13.07.10 11:49

I saw you'd tidied it up a bit for me Jill - thanks xx

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Post by maebee on 13.07.10 12:22

Excellent Ruby. When was this posted on Sky Discussion? It's not available now.
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Post by Ruby on 13.07.10 13:05

Yesterday Maebee... had a funny feeling it wouldn't survive long 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 742129
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Post by littlepixie on 13.07.10 13:37

Thanks Ruby. I saw that on Sky yesterday. I never normally go on the discussions but clicked on it as I was bored and the Maddie one was right near the top.

Loads of people will have read it.
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Post by aiyoyo on 25.07.10 14:04

101. For the very reason because her parents said so, but they did not cooperate with police nor did search for her in the true sense.
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Post by sharonl on 01.08.10 8:31

Why stop now - let`s carry this on, the reasons must be endless, shall we aim for 1000. The categories are a good idea, shall we start with:

A: Brian Kennedy
B: Leicestershire Police
C: UK Government - especially Gordon Brown and the home office
D: Private Investigators
E: Rupert Murdoch, Clarence Mitchell and The UK Media

Put the category code before your reason. I will start off with


A: Brian Kennedy`s meetings with Rob Murat and Martin Smith

B: The failure of the Leicestershire police to submit vital information including the Gaspar`s statement in reasonable time.

D: Metodo 3 stating that they knew who had Madeleine and would have her home by christmas

C: Home office failure to answer FOI act questions

D: Clarence Mitchell`s claim that he with 40 others control what comes out in the Media

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Post by aiyoyo on 01.08.10 8:49

Dont know where to place this category, but her parents making her 'Icon of Missing Children' meaning they knew she isn't coming back... hence the phrase 'Icon of Missing......' other how does that applies?

If she was really abducted, there is always hope of a return, how can she then be referred to as icon of missing.....?

If my child were missing I would NEVER ever dream of coining that phrase because it means one expects the child to remain missing FOREVER.

Anyway,that's very telling where I am concerned.
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Post by sharonl on 01.08.10 9:31

@aiyoyo wrote:Dont know where to place this category, but her parents making her 'Icon of Missing Children' meaning they knew she isn't coming back... hence the phrase 'Icon of Missing......' other how does that applies?

If she was really abducted, there is always hope of a return, how can she then be referred to as icon of missing.....?

If my child were missing I would NEVER ever dream of coining that phrase because it means one expects the child to remain missing FOREVER.

Anyway,that's very telling where I am concerned.

Good point - I suppose it could go into the Behavioural category, unless we create a few more.

Category quotes:

Clarence Mitchell:

"If she`s dead, she`s dead, but not by their hands"

"Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine`s death"

Kate McCann

"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances".

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Post by aiyoyo on 02.08.10 9:45

?"....not as bad as the night we found her.".......Gerry Mccann.
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Post by listener on 02.08.10 23:48

@aiyoyo wrote:?"....not as bad as the night we found her.".......Gerry Mccann.

Could someone please enlarge on that - my memory is poor and although I remember the words, I can't remember the full quote or where it came from.
Thanks
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Post by sharonl on 03.08.10 6:55

@listener wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:?"....not as bad as the night we found her.".......Gerry Mccann.

Could someone please enlarge on that - my memory is poor and although I remember the words, I can't remember the full quote or where it came from.
Thanks

Will this help http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2010/05/dr-gerry-mccann-it-wasnt-as-bad-as.html

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Post by sharonl on 03.08.10 6:57

Reasons - behavioral


1 Putting Madeleine at risk by calling Sky News immediately

2. Putting Madeleine at risk by advertising the colaboma in her right eye

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Post by aiyoyo on 03.08.10 7:47

Discussing her attributes as if she was already gone as in dead and remembering her qualities, instead of the discussing the situation she could be in or the sort of person who had possibly got her.
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Post by sharonl on 03.08.10 8:05

@aiyoyo wrote:Discussing her attributes as if she was already gone as in dead and remembering her qualities, instead of the discussing the situation she could be in or the sort of person who had possibly got her.

Yes of course and these Kate Quotes

"She comes to me at night"
" I go to her room twice a day to talk with her"
" I want us all to die so that we can be together"

Gerry McCann

"wherever she is, she`ll be in a better place"

And then there`s the display on the bedside table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akIDiz5Rv_c

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Post by pennylane on 03.08.10 8:18

Neither waking nor questioning the zonked out twins. Dead revealing imho.
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Post by sharonl on 03.08.10 9:43

If we are going to be fair look at all aspects of this case and all evidence, we should really have another thread “100 Reasons why there was an abduction”.

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Post by pennylane on 03.08.10 9:51

@sharonl wrote:If we are going to be fair look at all aspects of this case and all evidence, we should really have another thread “100 Reasons why there was an abduction”.



1. Because the McCanns and their friends say so.

2. ......mmmmmm....... 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 234726
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Post by Irish Eyes on 03.08.10 10:02

2...... Because Madeleine is missing therefore must have been abducted

3......hmmmmmm 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 234726
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Post by pennylane on 03.08.10 10:10

Madeleine has 'disappeared' whoosh cluck.

That could mean she fell down a storm drain or similar and hasn't been found, or one of her parents killed her, or one of the group killed her, or she died accidentally in the apartment, or as you say, she was abducted?

So 'missing' isn't what I would call a reason she was abducted.

Oh dear back to the drawing board .... mmmmmmm..... I'm still thinking though! 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted 234726
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Post by Autumn on 03.08.10 14:57

Excellent thread Ruby , haven't had chance to read all the reasons listed yet - I like Sharon's idea of adding to to it and aiming for 1000 thumbsup
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Post by aiyoyo on 03.08.10 15:57

@sharonl wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Discussing her attributes as if she was already gone as in dead and remembering her qualities, instead of the discussing the situation she could be in or the sort of person who had possibly got her.

Yes of course and these Kate Quotes

"She comes to me at night"
" I go to her room twice a day to talk with her"
" I want us all to die so that we can be together"

Gerry McCann

"wherever she is, she`ll be in a better place"

And then there`s the display on the bedside table [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akIDiz5Rv_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akIDiz5Rv_c[/quote[/url]]

But how can she be in a better place if she was held captive by peadophile in a cave?
What is GM going on about?

Planning the Celebration of her missing anniversary is another twisted psyche of theirs.
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Post by listener on 03.08.10 23:32

@sharonl wrote:
@listener wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:?"....not as bad as the night we found her.".......Gerry Mccann.

Could someone please enlarge on that - my memory is poor and although I remember the words, I can't remember the full quote or where it came from.
Thanks

Will this help [url=http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2010/05/dr-gerry-mccann-it-wasnt-as-bad-as.html
http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2010/05/dr-gerry-mccann-it-wasnt-as-bad-as.html[/quote[/url]]

Ah yes, I remember now - many thanks Sharonl 100 reasons why Madeleine was not abducted Icon_flower
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