Kate's Mates

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Nicky Gill and Michelle Thompson (Jon Corner's Mrs) have very similar rogatory statements. 

Both claim to have known Kate from their first day of school (36 years previously), in Nicky's case, it was her first day at 'primary' school, Michelle calls it 'nursery' school.

Both have Kate as Godmother to one of their children.

Both have almost identical final paragraphs to their rogatory statements.

missbeetle wrote:I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Nicky Gill and Michelle Thompson (Jon Corner's Mrs) have very similar rogatory statements. 

Both claim to have known Kate from their first day of school (36 years previously), in Nicky's case, it was her first day at 'primary' school, Michelle calls it 'nursery' school.

Both have Kate as Godmother to one of their children.

Both have almost identical final paragraphs to their rogatory statements.

I work at a university and when we get strikingly similar reference letters from applicants to our programs, we always assume that the applicant has written the reference letter for them and the referee has just put their signature on it.
Just saying.

Speaking of Kate's mates. Has she got any?

I would think her friends would consist of the few that are in the know and involved in this scam and that's about it.

Maybe the paid shills are on attractive bonus rates to double up and act as friends after work hours too. Girly shopping, coffee mornings, that sort of thing. 

I'm pretty sure a lot of 'old friends' would have severed all ties with her. Rightly so too. 

Obviously old friends can't speak up about her due to being Carter Mcf*cked.

Here's another one, with lots of information.

Leicestershire Constabulary
Witness Statement

CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Process 2005, Decision 27.1

Statement of: Linda Ruth McQUEEN
Age if less than 18:
Occupation: Teacher

This statement (consisting of 2 pages and signed by me) is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

Date: 07 May 2008
Signature _________________________________________

I am the person referred to above living at the address previously supplied to the police of Leicestershire. I was questioned about my friendship with the McCann and the Healy families as well as my visits to Portugal during the Summer of 2007.

During my childhood I lived with my mother in the same street as Brian and Susan Healy, who are the parents of Kate. I have known Kate since 6 months of age and my mother and hers are still great friends today. We went to the same school even though I was 6 years older than Kate. We continued our friendship during school and into adulthood.

Kate met Gerry while at university about 13 or 14 years ago and they married about 10 years ago. They have 3 children, Madeleine almost 5 years of age and twins, Sean and Amelie, who are 3 years old. In October 1998 my husband and I had our daughter, Ellie, and Kate and Gerry married at Christmas that same year. Kate and Gerry adored Ellie, both desired children. Kate wanted to have a tribe of 6 or 7. When Kate became pregnant with Madeleine it was a great event for them, given that Kate had faced problems with conceiving. After the birth of Madeleine the family moved to Amsterdam so that Gerry could continue his professional training. While they were there Kate received IVF treatment and became pregnant with the twins. It was a difficult pregnancy but Sean and Amelie were born healthy in February 2006. Before the disappearance of Madeleine last year, Mark and I used to see Kate, Gerry and the family approximately every two months, we went to Leicester or they came to Liverpool.

On the morning of 4 May 2007 Kate's mother telephoned my mother who, in turn, telephoned me. My mother told me that something terrible had happened, that somebody had taken Madeleine. I later sent a text message to Kate that same night and I spoke with her on the telephone. She was hysterical, saying only that she wanted to be able to hug Madeleine. She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything. She continued to speak about Madeleine, of the cold that she could feel since she was dressed only in pyjamas and continued to look at the situation from the perspective of Madeleine. She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl and during the following day we spoke on the telephone and we frequently sent messages [to each other].

On Saturday I spoke on the telephone with Gerry who was sobbing and we decided that I would go to Portugal as soon as Nicky Gill and Michelle Thompson returned home, to replace them and to render assistance. During 2007 I travelled to Portugal on 3 separate occasions:

12 - 19 May, 26 - 29 June, and 19 - 26 August.

On the first occasion I caught the same flight as the priest Paul Seddon and we arrived on Saturday night. We went straight to the apartment where Kate and Gerry were at supper, Gerry embraced us and Kate was crying. We remained for some time and Kate repeated "where is she? Who has her?" I felt that Kate and Gerry were focused on the idea to find Madeleine in their own way, and the local police had not progressed. I stayed in a separate room in the apartment of Kate and Gerry during all my stay. I helped in the attempt to keep the daily routine of the twins, namely in taking them to the day-care centre. Gerry and Kate always returned for lunch and took the children to afternoon tea in the attempt to give a semblante of normality. Kate and Gerry were involved in innumerable interviews with the press and the police all day, but they arranged [their] availability to always give attention to the twins, namely the bath before sleep. During it we would speak about how things had gone during the day and make plans for the following day.

During the first week that I was in Portugal Kate and Gerry were transported [driven] by representatives of Mark Warner. Sandy Cameron was also there and possessed a hire car, but it was not the Renault Scenic that Gerry and Kate rented during the third week that I stayed with them in Portugal.

In the second week that I was there, I travelled [to Portugal] with Nicky Gill. We stayed with Trish and Sandy in the apartment close to Kate and Gerry. On this occasion Gerry drove a hire car but I do not remember if it was the previous car of Sandy or the Renault scenic.

In the third week I travelled [to Portugal] with my husband, Mark, our daughter Ellie and the priest Paul Seddon. Ellie and I stayed in the Villa that Kate and Gerry had rented, Paul and Mark stayed in an apartment in the immediate vicinity. During this period both Kate and Gerry drove the Renault Scenic and I travelled frequently in that vehicle.

With respect to rooms where I stayed, I noticed nothing strange. With respect to the hire vehicles, I noticed nothing strange in any of them; never was there a disagreeable or intense [sharp] smell. We frequently used the boot of the vehicles to place the things of the children and ours, given that there were two child's chairs in the rear section that left no extra space.

There is no way Kate and Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and carried her body inside the car to an unknown place. They are both devoted parents and it is incomprehensible that they would have [deliberately] hurt Madeleine. As far as I know, Gerry and Kate were never alone given that the press followed them everywhere, and would not have had a chance to do it [transport the body]. Also, I think that it would have been impossible for Madeleine to have left the apartment by herself.

Since Kate and Gerry returned to the United kingdom, we have kept contact through written messages almost daily. I visit them in Leicester once in a while and they also have visited us. I have a mobile phone with the number xxxxxxxxxx that I use to contact Kate and Gerry. This telephone is with the O2 service provider. My husband Mark has one with the number xxxxxxxxxx with the Orange service provider. At home we have a fixed telephone with the number xxxxxxxxx.

This statement was made by me and is truthful according to my understanding.
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The paragraph above is full of  instructions by TM: I rather like ''carried her body inside the card to an unknown place.''  As opposed to outside the car to a known place? Curious phrasing.
She also clears the boot of the car of any smell or untoward cargo. Not even nappies.
Yet Michael Wright must have lost that bit of the TM instructions when he gave (probably out of date instructions that lingered from the early days)  the rotting meat and garbage explanation.

tigger wrote:Kate and Gerry were involved in innumerable interviews with the press and the police all day, but they arranged [their] availability to always give attention to the twins, namely the bath before sleep. During it we would speak about how things had gone during the day and make plans for the following day.

And there we go again, always with the baths. What is it with baths and bathing with this lot? They used the bathing of the twins as an opportunity to discuss the day's events, even though one of them was just a random friend? Give the poor kids some dignity!

And again the strange distancing, not calling Madeleine by her name:

She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl...

- and here are the virtually identical statements of:


Nicky Gill:

With regard to the car hired by Kate and Gerry, it was a Renault Scenic, but I think that they only had it when I travelled to Portugal for the last time. I would be transported in the car daily, given that the villa was located outside of the resort. There was nothing strange about the car, I never noticed any unusual odour. There was no way in which Kate and Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and then have transported her body to another place. They were never alone and had the worlds press literally camped at their door.

Kate and Gerry never placed the children at risk and I know that they adored Madeleine and the twins, because they both very much wanted to have children. They both loved their children, Madeleine meant everything to Kate and in my opinion they are both excellent parents, totally devoted to their children.

 Michelle Thompson:

Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

Not so different from Linda McQueen's either, with the car: 'There is no way' - etc.

I'm having horrible visions of Clarrie conducting the choir after handing out the song sheets,  all together now!!   

snipped from Tigger's post

Yet Michael Wright must have lost that bit of the TM instructions when he gave (probably out of date instructions that lingered from the early days)  the rotting meat and garbage explanation.

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Would this be Michael Wright who was given short shrift by a Portuguese judge in the libel trial for having 'crib notes'?

This obsession with bathing children seems to be quite a social event with the McCanns. All manner of friends seem to have been invited round to do it.

Another one who has the twins' year of birth wrong too. Amanda Coxon (see the Sharon Lewin topic) said the same thing.

Questions from 'Group 5' that Linda (with Gerry's prior input) were responding too... 

Questions for Group 5:

How long have you known Gerald McCann and Kate Healy and in what capacity?

On what dates did you come to Portugal?

Where did you stay in Portugal? Did you notice anything unusual in the accommodation?

How much time did you spend with Kate and Gerry?

How do you think they were behaving given the circumstances?

Where (sic) you in the Renault Scenic hire car they had? How many times? Did you notice anything abnormal? Did you notice any bad or strong smells in the car?

Do you think Kate or Gerry could have hidden Madeleine somewhere and moved her body in the car?

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Is it just me, or has the young Kate Healy a cut'n'paste hairdo?

There certainly is something odd about the bottom photo; if you enlarge it, you should see what I mean.

I've never seen the one on the right before - now that I have, I feel that it's more likely that the face of the tennis ball girl is Kate as a child.

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canada12 wrote:And again the strange distancing, not calling Madeleine by her name:

She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl…

I watched an Australian 'Crocodile Tears' last night and a top psychologist said not using a victims name is one of the major red flags they look for.

bristow wrote:

canada12 wrote:And again the strange distancing, not calling Madeleine by her name:

She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl…

I watched an Australian 'Crocodile Tears' last night and a top psychologist said not using a victims name is one of the major red flags they look for.

Maybe that's why she became Madeleine after her death when, in all likelihood, she was Maddie while she was alive.

Re the Linda Ruth McQueen statement. Leaving aside the other 99% of red flags for a moment, a couple of things struck me.

When I was in the first form at grammar school, girls that were six years older than me were distant goddesses of whom one was in awe. I have a direct correlation with this because there was a lovely girl who lived in our street and the age difference between us was exactly the same. My parents were friendly with her mother (a widow). This girl (Peggy) would appear in the street very occasionally during her early teens and would be very maternal towards us much younger children for about five minutes before disappearing indoors to do her homework. Later, she became a sixth form goddess to my shy first former. We might pass in the street and say hello but I could never envisage an equal friendship developing between us as those I had with two of my peers. The circumstances were just not conducive and she was too old for me - practically an adult. I am not saying the McC/McQ friendship could not have happened; it's just that children gravitate towards their peers for the simple reason they identify strongly with their own age group. Peggy clearly had her own friends and would have been going out to dances while I was tucked up in bed.  Teenage angst when girls begin to have crushes boys of similar age range are the drivers of intense bonds because there is mutual understanding; mutual and contemporaneous experience.

Even assuming a huge leap of imagination, whereby I became interested in spending long hours being chummy with a distant goddess and affecting an interest at age 12 in, say, Calculus, as the conversation thrummed along; I cannot for the life of me see where our very different career paths would have re-inforced the bond to the point where Peggy would be making three visits abroad as an adult to stay in a very charged and confined environment during a major family crisis of mine.

Linda Ruth McQueen gives her occupation as teacher. I don't know whether she was working during this period of 2007; one usually assumes this otherwise one puts retired, or sabbatical, or maternity leave, or housewife, or sick leave. Let's assume she was working and then look at the dates for her three separate visits to Portugal.  As we see, the middle set (Aug) fall within the summer vac. The May dates are too early for the half-term break (unless a public school, perhaps). The June dates are definitely in term time. There is also the question of who financed all this air travel.

So, you're sceptical then?   

Frankly, with the recent re-examining of some of these more tangential witnesses statements, I have to say I haven't read so much bollocks since that time I was holed up with nothing for entertainment but the minutes of the XVIIth Annual World Testicle Conference (held at the Holiday Inn, Gonad, Nebraska).

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Is it just me, or has the young Kate Healy a cut'n'paste hairdo?

On the left Kate, post nose job ,who are the nutters putting these images together

Good points, Mirage. The age difference leapt out at me too. Very unlikely they were ever close friends. Also no real evidence given that they were, for example she mentions their wedding but doesn't say she attended. And she wasn't one of the inner circle who got the late night/early morning calls. Kate's mam called her mam called her.

So what was it with these people (friends, 'friends' and relatives)? So many of them able and willing to drop everything and head over to Portugal. Teachers can't take time off at short notice. The third trip looks like a family holiday on the cheap. Though hubby stayed with the priest in a different apartment. Very strange.

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I really don't see anything odd about the hair just a typical 70's 'do' for girls.

Madeleines nose tip and bridge are wider as well than the pictures of Kate as a child, I think that's quite an obvious difference.  Nothing odd in the fact that a nother and daughter look alike really.

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I really don't see anything odd about the hair just a typical 70's 'do' for girls.

Madeleines nose tip and bridge are wider as well than the pictures of Kate as a child, I think that's quite an obvious difference.  Nothing odd in the fact that a nother and daughter look alike really.

Conversely, I see the seventies sandals on MBM as odd! This is a mega sporty family. Open-toe sandals at tennis - a definite no-no.

Mirage wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

Andrew77R wrote:Nicked from somewhere else.....

I really don't see anything odd about the hair just a typical 70's 'do' for girls.

Madeleines nose tip and bridge are wider as well than the pictures of Kate as a child, I think that's quite an obvious difference.  Nothing odd in the fact that a nother and daughter look alike really.

Conversely, I see the seventies sandals on MBM as odd! This is a mega sporty family. Open-toe sandals at tennis - a definite no-no.

   I do think there are oddities with the tennis ball photo, but just not convinced Kate McCann has been used as a substitute for pictures of Madeliene.

    With the sandals,  I always wondered about the sock sandal combo!  If M was running around collecting tennis balls, wouldn't she wear some trainers?  I believe she was wearing some in the playground photos. Surely the point of sandals is to let your feet breathe on a hot day. Why cover your feet with socks and then put sandals on?

ChippyM wrote:

Mirage wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

Andrew77R wrote:Nicked from somewhere else.....

I really don't see anything odd about the hair just a typical 70's 'do' for girls.

Madeleines nose tip and bridge are wider as well than the pictures of Kate as a child, I think that's quite an obvious difference.  Nothing odd in the fact that a nother and daughter look alike really.

Conversely, I see the seventies sandals on MBM as odd! This is a mega sporty family. Open-toe sandals at tennis - a definite no-no.

   I do think there are oddities with the tennis ball photo, but just not convinced Kate McCann has been used as a substitute for pictures of Madeliene.

    With the sandals,  I always wondered about the sock sandal combo!  If M was running around collecting tennis balls, wouldn't she wear some trainers?  I believe she was wearing some in the playground photos. Surely the point of sandals is to let your feet breathe on a hot day. Why cover your feet with socks and then put sandals on?

The sandals look very similar to some my daughter (same age as MBM) had around then, so not necessarity 70s. New sandals can rub and hurt if worn without socks, and it wasn't that hot.

I can't enlarge the school photo of Kate, not seen this before... can anyone do this please?