The pearls of the babysitter

Gerry McCann: We have been advised our babysitters behaviour was legally well within the bounds of responsible babysitting.

Kate McCann: Hasn't the babysitter suffered enough without all these new lies coming out?

Gerry McCann: The babysitter has to concentrate on her own well-being now.

Gerry McCann: It could have been worse, the babysitter could have lost the twins too.

Kate McCann: Well it was her holiday too.

Kate McCann: It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but it wasn't the babysitter.

Clarence Mitchell: If Maddie's dead, then she's dead, but not by the babysitter's hands.

Kate McCann: I think that it is only a small minority who is criticising the babysitter.

Clarence Mitchell: The babysitter doesn't cry in public, but there's plenty of tears backstage.

Kate McCann: There's not a day goes by when the babysitter doesn't think "Was that ok. Was she wrong in thinking that was ok?"

Babysitter: "This is my job now. I can see this becoming my full-time career, with this whole issue of child welfare and opposing paedophiles."

Gerry McCann: "One good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't."

Gerry McCann: "The babysitter has done nothing against the law."

Gerry McCann: "Kate and I are totally 100% confident in the babysitter's innocence."

Gerry McCann: "The babysitter is being absolutely stitched up."

Kate McCann: "Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppence worth."

No way would the McCanns have said the things they've said if it was the babysitter who lost Madeleine. NO WAY.

It is such a blatantly obvious truth you wonder why they still have the nerve to act as if the public should not wonder.

Remember what one of these "parents" said at a certain point "it is getting boring"??

Several months ago I mentioned that I wondered if the McCanns' attitude would have been different had Madeleine gone missing whilst in the care of a babysitter who had "popped out for thirty minutes".

I don't believe for one moment that they would have been so forgiving of a babysitter who lost one of their children, under the same circumstances as they have lost their child, whilst having responsibility for them. The general response at the time from people was get over it as they know that they did wrong and harping on about it wasn't helping to find Madeleine.

I struggle to get past the neglect issue because whether Madeleine is found or not, alive or dead, whatever she is experiencing, or has experienced, since going missing is, on the whole, the result of being left alone by her parents. They might offer up a million reasons or excuses that they feel justify their actions that night but I somehow doubt that they would have seen any of those reasons as being acceptable if given by some babysitter had the scenario been a little different.

The other thing I wonder when people defend their actions so strongly is whether they would have still defended them had there been a fire and all three children had died in the apartment. Would the McCanns or those that believe that their babysitting arrangements were fine and dandy have thought the same had all three children burned to death?

Given that Mrs McCann herself has described a most awful worry of her own regarding what she thinks may possibly have happened to Madeleine, are people still able to say, with hand on heart, that there was not even the tiniest bit of neglect of those three children that evening or that week? If she is found next week, under the cicumstances that Mrs McCann so vividly describes, are the authorities going to renuite them, pat the McCanns on the back and leave it at that?

Not for one moment do I believe that she died at their hands but their actions have caused her to go missing and to experience whatever fate has befallen her. The "they are suffering enough and it won't find Madeleine to remember their actions" attitude doesn't help find Madeleine in my opinion - it just serves to lessen their guilt and maintain their credibility in certain circles whilst allowing them to go without so much as a slap across the wrists.

I do believe that the search for Madeleine can, and should, be maintained alongside a remembering of the circumstances that caused her disappearance in the first place. Hopefully then other parents will remember that leaving their children alone in an unlocked building a fair distance away might have consequences and there will not be another Madeleine in the future.

Personally, I would not stay out for more than a few hours and leave my two boys home alone, even though they are older than MBM at ages 5 and 6. If we were in a strange place on holiday I would most certainly NOT leave them alone. And my 2 boys are Staffordshire Bull Terriers, not human children.

I think that is an interesting idea Kololi and I vaguely remember discussing it before.  I think had a babysitter been employed, she would probably be in prison and there would be multiple sackings and suings. I'm pretty certain she would be made to explain the cadaver dog alerts and forensics.   

The mccanns have brushed over their own glaring child endangerment and directed all blame squarely at the feet of everyone else.  That was quite an achievement.  However, it is my belief that their cuddly personalities have made them a few enemies along the way, and I doubt the hacked off campaign went down too well in Fleet Street.

Cristobell wrote:I think that is an interesting idea Kololi and I vaguely remember discussing it before.  I think had a babysitter been employed, she would probably be in prison and there would be multiple sackings and suings. I'm pretty certain she would be made to explain the cadaver dog alerts and forensics.   

The mccanns have brushed over their own glaring child endangerment and directed all blame squarely at the feet of everyone else.  That was quite an achievement.  However, it is my belief that their cuddly personalities have made them a few enemies along the way, and I doubt the hacked off campaign went down too well in Fleet Street.

Amanda Platell has certainly commented on it.

I often wonder if it's some "shared" responsibility that has kept everyone silent and compliant.

As a newbie have just seen this, and it is a very interesting point! If the McCs had paid a babysitter to watch their DC and she had gone on the lash dined in bar nearby popping back every x minutes to check on them, either leaving them locked in (dangerous in the event of accident or fire...) or left the doors unlocked (imperilling any 'valuables' left lying around), s/he would have been hung, drawn and quartered.

Praiaaa wrote:As a newbie have just seen this, and it is a very interesting point! If the McCs had paid a babysitter to watch their DC and she had gone on the lash dined in bar nearby popping back every x minutes to check on them, either leaving them locked in (dangerous in the event of accident or fire...) or left the doors unlocked (imperilling any 'valuables' left lying around), s/he would have been hung, drawn and quartered.

It's all about the 'contract'. If you pay a babysitter, that person is expected to remain in situ for the time of babysitting. If you pay a listening service then that's what you get every half hour or whatever. The McCanns were able to write off their behaviour by quoting Mark Warner's service offered in other resorts in different countries - although they'd never used that service on previous holidays and knew prior to going on holiday that this service was not available. How convenient - until they tripped themselves up by insinuating they didn't trust people to babysit - the same people who were looking after their kids everyday.

If the teachers in Madeleine's nursery in UK took their eyes off Madeleine for a second I'm sure it would be a different story. If the nanny the McCanns employed in UK popped out when the kids were asleep that wouldn't be acceptable either - it's about the contract.

The missing contract is the one Madeleine had every right to expect from her parents. They breached that contract imo and have pointed fingers at everyone for not understanding their neglect and questioning their mentality towards normal responsibility for your own children. Nothing is ever the fault of the McCanns.

It is one of the first questions asked in the e-book.

put yourself in the place of a parent, and ask  “If you had let your child go on holiday with the McCanns and they lost her, would you accept their version ?

PeterMac wrote:It is one of the first questions asked in the e-book.

put yourself in the place of a parent, and ask  “If you had let your child go on holiday with the McCanns and they lost her, would you accept their version ?

Nobody would accept their version PeterMac at least not anybody with an ounce of sense in their heads.

If a babysitter had neglected a child and that child had disappeared, imagine the uproar and villification in the papers if the babysitter then went on to set up a fund to search for the missing child and then decided to use fund money to repay some of their mortgage.

If a babysitter left a child alone who was prone to nosebleeds and the babysitter thought that the child may have been drugged during the day and the child showed exceesive tiredness but then still went out and left that child on their own, that babysitter would be in prison for a very long time I believe.

If Kate can forgive the abductor I'm sure she could forgive the babysitter too.

And as Gerry said: It could have been worse, they could have lost the twins too.

happychick wrote:If Kate can forgive the abductor I'm sure she could forgive the babysitter too.

And as Gerry said: It could have been worse, they could have lost the twins too.

Or they could have lost something valuable, wasn't it Philomena who said that the abductor had jemmied the shutters and taken Madeleine out of the window but that nothing of value had been taken?
My oh my!!!!
And their insurance would have been null and void anyway if they had left their door unlocked and a thief had entered and took their money, cameras etc.
The insurance company, might- heaven forbid- have blamed them.

Casey5 wrote:

happychick wrote:If Kate can forgive the abductor I'm sure she could forgive the babysitter too.

And as Gerry said: It could have been worse, they could have lost the twins too.

Or they could have lost something valuable, wasn't it Philomena who said that the abductor had jemmied the shutters and taken Madeleine out of the window but that nothing of value had been taken?
My oh my!!!!
And their insurance would have been null and void anyway if they had left their door unlocked and a thief had entered and took their money, cameras etc.
The insurance company, might- heaven forbid- have blamed them.

- and there had been a spate of burglaries at OC - Mrs. Fenn surprised a burglar a few weeks earlier. MW is said to have warned new arrivals about the risk of burglary. Yet - 'closed but not locked patio doors' everywhere.
Imo MW colluded in 'smoothing things out' and nothing more is heard from that quarter about the burglaries or warnings given.

tigger wrote: Yet - 'closed but not locked patio doors' everywhere.

Dont't forget that the Tapas7 with apartments which open into the footpath between the block and the pol area may, or very probably used it for their visits, and left their own patio doors open. Dr Amaral said as much about JT when he dismissed her pushing past GM and JW,

Why is this comprehensive apologia in this topic? 
Normally I would  take time to point out the glaring misinformation (e.g. The 180 dogs)  but I can't be bothered. 

You're welcome to your  opinion but the misinformation above is way out of date and most apologists for TM have come up with more entertaining excuses. 

I hope you've used all you ammunition in this one salvo.

I'll just recommend this for a good start!

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I like the sound of an oblivious babysitter - perhaps she was entertaining her boyfriend as they sometimes do!

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I like the sound of an oblivious babysitter - perhaps she was entertaining her boyfriend as they sometimes do!

Or the father ?
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Janeywilcox. 

I was beginning to think the McCanns stand no chance of a fair trial and, as I wouldn't want to see their Limited Company 'Fund' spending more of the public's money on the costs of an appeal after they've been convicted, you've put my mind at rest.

May I suggest you add 'abduction by aliens' to your list as this glaringly obvious solution seems to have eluded you, but go easy with the tin foil - if we all start wearing aluminium hats there won't be enough left for the festive turkeys.

And speaking of turkeys.... no, don't get me started...

Don't beat yourself up, honey - you've given me a much needed laugh  

If you copy your first post and use it to begin a new thread in this section* we can debate each of the points you've raised and debunk them with ease.  

As for the posts you've made on this 'sticky', let them lie and admin will delete them if they see fit.

*Debate section - for purporting theories

Casey5 wrote:

happychick wrote:If Kate can forgive the abductor I'm sure she could forgive the babysitter too.

And as Gerry said: It could have been worse, they could have lost the twins too.

Or they could have lost something valuable, wasn't it Philomena who said that the abductor had jemmied the shutters and taken Madeleine out of the window but that nothing of value had been taken?
My oh my!!!!
And their insurance would have been null and void anyway if they had left their door unlocked and a thief had entered and took their money, cameras etc.
The insurance company, might- heaven forbid- have blamed them.

Madeleine was not of value to them until she was allegedly kidnapped, at which point her value increases dramatically from the perspective of the McCAnn Team. Not just for the parents and family who are filling their Fund, but for all the other circling vultures - lawyers, detectives, media manipulators and others who seek to profit from the honey-pot. 

One of Amaral's questions that Kate refused to answer was if the parents had considered handing over Madeleine's care to relatives. Should they have done so, they presumably would have had to incur some costs, on the basis that it would not be reasonable to expect other people - even relatives - to bring up your children without offering some financial assistance for such a big and expensive undertaking.

Having Madeleine 'go missing' was a nifty way of reversing this situation. She could disappear, either for a bit or for ever, and the McCAnns could make loads of money off the back of it, imo. And play the celebrity victim-role, plus the experts in cases of missing children.

Can you believe it - the McCanns as experts in cases of missing children? Well, they are experts in one case, I will give them that.

J.rob wrote: Can you believe it - the McCanns as experts in cases of missing children? Well, they are experts in one case, I will give them that.
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Tut tut, Dr. Gerry himself said that it could have been worse, they could have lost all three...

So not a bad score then....   

And Auntie Phil said that nothing of value was taken from the apartment on the night her niece disappeared.

What planet are the McCanns from? Wherever it is, its inhabitants are inhuman.

Interesting download available from the NSPCC:

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