McCanns and the Lie Detector Test

With thanks to the mccannfiles.

The McCanns and The Polygraph [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] The Kate Prout murder case has thrown up a number of interesting issues: the use of sniffer dogs and the successful conviction of Adrian Prout, without a body being discovered, are two. The third issue of interest is the failure of Mr Prout to pass a Polygraph test. An act which led ultimately to his confession to the murder of his wife. New readers to the site may be interested to know that back in September 2007 the McCanns, as part of their PR 'fight back' against the action of the Portuguese police in making them arguidos, made it known - albeit through the inevitable use of their proxy 'friend of the family'/'source' - that they would be willing to take a lie detector test to clear their names. "They have said all along that they want to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police," the anonymous 'friend' assured us comfortingly, adding that they had "received no such request from the Portuguese authorities". Just so we could be clear when apportioning blame. Once the frantic headlines, such as 'McCANNS: WE'LL TAKE LIE TEST', had been successfully embedded into the nation's newsstands, Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, stepped forward to pour cold water on the idea. Principally on the grounds that such 'evidence' was not admissible in a Portuguese court. Curses on those 'bumbling' Portuguese authorities! Not only had they been so lax as to make no request for the McCanns to take a lie detector test, it wasn't even admissible in their courts! What were they playing about at? Not asking for something that they couldn't even use anyway! Unbelievable! And so the Portuguese authorities got a slippery double beating, for what was actually no story in the first place. Ahhh, the beauty of PR, media control and proxies! And there the matter lay... Until November, of the same year, when a "shocked" Don Cargill, chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, spoke to the Sunday Express. He revealed that he had spoken to "the McCanns' people", with regard to taking a lie detector test, and they had come back "with a list of conditions that would have been impossible to satisfy". Mr Cargill said: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth." The accompanying headlines, such as 'KATE REFUSES LIE TEST', were clearly unhelpful and so, as usual, Clarence Mitchell was afforded the final word on the subject: "Gerry and Kate don't need to do one as they are telling the truth." So there we had it. The Oracle had spoken and we could all go to bed happy.

Killer Adrian Prout failed lie detector test and then admitted: "Your test is not wrong", 19 November 2011

Killer Adrian Prout failed lie detector test and then admitted: "Your test is not wrong" Daily Mirror [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Adrian Prout and Kate Prout By Ryan Parry 19/11/2011 MURDERER Adrian Prout failed a lie detector test and then brazenly admitted: "Your test is not wrong." Cool and calculating Prout thought he would sail through the polygraph, which measures breathing, heart rate and perspiration and has 99% accuracy. But when he failed the examination, paid for by his loyal fiancee Debbie Garlick as she campaigned to prove his innocence, he realised the game was up. The expert who tested him three months ago, British and European Polygraph Association chairman Don Cargill, recalled yesterday: "I said, 'You're a murderer.' He just said 'Ummmh.' So I said, 'Are you saying my test is wrong?' "He actually replied, 'No, your test is not wrong.'" Don, 59, also said: "He smiled in what was one of the most surreal and chilling experiences of my life. "There was no emotion at all, he was really calm and cool, chillingly so. "He'd been so used to being in control. He didn't fool the jury but he's fooled a lot of other people, his family and friends and his fiancee. "Debbie campaigned very heavily to prove his innocence but after he failed she was devastated. She realised she had been lied to all along." [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] The home of Kate Prout and Adrian Prout Don, who did the test at Garth Prison, Lancs, added: "It was Debbie who convinced him to confess to the murder. "I can understand why people fell for his lies – but of course, you can't fool a polygraph." McCanns happy to take lie detector test ITN [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Last update: Fri Sep 21 2007 12:08:17 Kate and Gerry McCann have said they are prepared to take a lie detector test to prove they had nothing to do with the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it has been revealed. The couple's decision is the latest stage in a high-profile fightback led by family and friends against police suspicions they may have been responsible for Madeleine's death. The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were declared "arguidos" or official suspects by detectives two weeks ago after DNA traces in their hire car were used to suggest the vehicle had been involved in moving Madeleine's body. The couple have returned to Britain after a four-month stay in Portugal and have been told that police do not have enough evidence to justify interviewing them again. But they remain suspects and say they are determined to clear their names and continue the search for Madeleine who they believe may still be alive. Friends have revealed a series of details in recent days which could form part of their defence if they were ever charged with causing Madeleine's death and disposing of her body. It emerged this week that partial DNA matches found in the car hired by the family almost a month after her disappearance could potentially be explained by contact with Madeleine's clothes which were transported in it when they moved to a rented villa. The car was also used on a daily basis to transport bag-loads of household waste including her younger siblings Sean and Amelie's nappies. A friend said: "If they are asked to take a lie detector test by police they would. "They have said all along that they want to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police, but as of today they have received no such request from the Portuguese authorities. "Kate and Gerry are happy to do anything that will help clear their names." McCanns: 'Lie Detector Test Will Clear Us' Sky News [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Madeleine vanished aged three 3:38pm UK, Friday September 21, 2007 Kate and Gerry McCann are unlikely to face a lie detector test in connection with the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, the family's spokesman has said. The couple had said they were prepared to take a test to prove they had nothing to do with the child going missing. But spokesman Clarence Mitchell said evidence from any test would not be admissible in a Portuguese court. "Kate and Gerry McCann have absolutely nothing to hide," Mr Mitchell said. "If a request from the Portuguese authorities was made for them to undergo such a lie detector test, they would have no issue with it, provided the test is suitably overseen by an appropriate expert who can ensure the absolutely reliability of the equipment being used." But he said he understood that such machines were not used in Portuguese criminal cases, nor was the information from them admissible in court. "Therefore we think it is extremely unlikely that such a request for a test would come through," he added. The McCanns' declaration that they would be happy to take a lie detector test is just the latest stage of a public fightback to show they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance. The couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were declared suspects by detectives after DNA traces were found in a car hired after Madeleine's disappearance. The couple have returned to Britain after a four-month stay in Portugal and have been told that police do not have enough evidence to justify interviewing them again. Kate refuses lie test Sunday Express (no longer online) [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Camilla Tominey Sunday November 18,2007 KATE McCann has done a U-turn over plans to take a lie detector test about daughter Madeleine's disappearance. She and husband Gerry offered to undergo a polygraph examination in September to clear their names. They hoped it would help to clear up any doubts about their involvement. Sources close to the couple made it known they were willing to be questioned after Kate was officially declared an "arguido" or official suspect in the case in Portugal. But despite being approached by a leading UK polygraph expert, mother-of-three Kate, 39, turned down the chance. Don Cargill, chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, said he was "shocked" by her decision. Mr Cargill, official lie detector expert on TV's Trisha Goddard TV show, said: "I spoke to the McCanns' people and they came back with a list of conditions that would have been impossible to satisfy. "They wanted me to prove the test would be 100 per cent accurate, that I was the world's best examiner and that it would be admissible in a Portuguese court – but I could not guarantee any of those things. Although polygraph testing is very accurate, it is not infallible." Lie detectors work by measuring physiological responses such as blood pressure levels, pulse rate, breathing and sweat gland activity in the skin during questioning. Any significant difference in these rates as the subject answers may indicate they are lying. The process has been criticised but The American Polygraph Association says the current computerised technology is 98 per cent accurate. Lie detector tests are not admissible in British or Portuguese courts, but a positive polygraph result from Kate would prove a useful weapon for the McCanns against smears by the Portuguese police. Mr Cargill said: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth. "I don't think it was the McCanns' fault. I was left with the impression the whole thing was a PR exercise to get sympathy at a time when Kate was under increasing scrutiny." Mr Cargill believes if the McCanns were to change their minds, now is the time to do it. Tomorrow marks 200 days since Madeleine, from Rothley, Leics, vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. He said: "In the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, feelings would have been running too high. But now Kate is back in England and has had more time to come to terms with things, the timing would be perfect." Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, dismissed the idea, saying: "Of course they are not going to take the test. It's inadmissible in Portugal and there are doubts about the accuracy. "Gerry and Kate don't need to do one as they are telling the truth."

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Although this is just a copy of the above posts, it will be in larger print. Somebody asked about a lie detector test not long ago.

The Prout case is interesting, especially the account of Prout's reaction and the description of his character. (in the first post here)

From McCannfiles.com:

The McCanns and The Polygraph

In the Kate Prout murder case, the failure of Mr Prout to pass a Polygraph test led ultimately to his confession to the murder of his wife.

Back in September 2007 the McCanns, as part of their PR 'fight back' against the action of the Portuguese police in making them arguidos, made it known - albeit through the inevitable use of a proxy 'friend of the family'/'source' - that they would be willing to take a lie detector test to clear their names.

"They have said all along that they want to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police," the anonymous 'friend' stated, adding that they had "received no such request from the Portuguese authorities".

Once the frantic headlines, such as 'McCANNS: WE'LL TAKE LIE TEST', had been successfully embedded into the nation's newsstands, Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, stepped forward to pour cold water on the idea. Principally on the grounds that such evidence was not admissible in a Portuguese court.

And there the matter lay...

Until November, of the same year, when a "shocked" Don Cargill, chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, spoke to the Sunday Express. He revealed that he had spoken to "the McCanns' people", with regard to taking a lie detector test, and they had come back "with a list of conditions that would have been impossible to satisfy".

Mr Cargill said: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth."

The accompanying headlines, such as 'KATE REFUSES LIE TEST', were clearly unhelpful and so, as usual, Clarence Mitchell was afforded the final word on the subject:

"Gerry and Kate don't need to do one as they are telling the truth."
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Exactly the same MO as with the reconstruction, headlines that they were willing to do the reconstruction, time and time again. Then suddenly not and the reasons: it wouldn't be on TV and so on.
In fact the only reason for no polygraph test and no reconstruction is that it would throw up major inconsistencies - not trigger the memories of the participants. Especially as there would be no memory of the original event as stated, since it didn't happen, if you follow me. Imo of course.
(It's all heating up a bit, Kev, hope that Trev, Nev and Tracy are there to help.  )

If people talk the talk they should do the walk - otherwise there will always be suspicions.

well, still cant understand why they did not just take lie dector test,even just to save fund money being spent on legal fees or to save now sy wasting time and more money uk! the " we want to prove our innocence" just fluffy words imo

G4S in line for Government contract to provide lie detectors despite facing police probe
13 Jul 2013 00:00

Blundering G4S is in line for a Government contract for lie detector testing – despite facing a police probe over the £50million prisoner tagging fiasco.

Ministers want to sell off 70% of the Probation Service, leaving private firms to “risk manage” dangerous rapists, murderers and paedophiles once they are released from prison.

This includes plans for polygraph tests on sex offenders before they are freed.

Pilot schemes show they tend to be “honest” about the risk they pose.

G4S is in the running to manage the scheme, despite Justice Secretary Chris Grayling telling the Commons the security firm charged the taxpayer to monitor tagged crooks who were back in prison, abroad or even dead.

A senior probation source said: “This company has a terrible record and yet the Government keeps on giving them contracts.

"If they win probation work, they could be responsible for some of the most dangerous people in society once they are freed.

"There are also obvious risks with lie detector tests.

“It is a recipe for disaster. The idea that a company with their record is in the running for polygraph testing beggars belief.

"The real danger of these plans will be seen when it is too late – and there is a tragedy as a result.”

G4S and rival firm Serco face claims they billed the taxpayer for monitoring 18,000 tagged criminals a day, when the true figure was 15,000.

Mr Grayling said they could have ripped off the public for up to 15 years and pocketed £50million.

This week’s scandal came a year after G4S botched its Olympics contract so badly the military was forced to step in. Boss Nick Buckles later quit.

G4S, Serco and Sodexo, which runs England’s 14 private prisons, are widely believed to be bidding for various contracts when the probation service is sold off. But Mr Grayling has been warned by his most senior officials that his plans lacked support.

Documents leaked earlier this year expressed fears the scheme was being pushed through on an aggressive timetable, which could endanger the public.

Criminal justice expert Harry Fletcher said: “Probation’s sell-off is being carried out too hastily, there is too much risk. It is likely service delivery will collapse and public protection undermined. The ­Government must think again.”

Mr Grayling earlier said he wanted to see charities and voluntary groups dealing with criminals as they could do a better job than probation staff.

But the National Association of Probation Officers said it expected the bulk of the work to go to private firms.

Meanwhile, G4S stressed “no dishonesty had been found” during the tagging probe.

A spokesman said: “There have been isolated errors and obviously we have refunded the client.

"There was one case where a person who had been tagged had died but we ­identified that and reimbursed £60.

"The UK Government is one of our key clients with £700million worth of contracts and we will continue to provide a long list of services.”

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