Vera from Essex

Saw this on the Missing Madeleine forum. Seems there was someone called Vera from Essex posting to a forum, think it was 3 arquidos, saying she was at Mark Warner's Ocean Club at the same time as the McCanns with her daughter and grandaughter. Now the Ocean Club guest lists are available, I had a look through to see if I could identify such a group - 2 women and 1 girl child or 1 couple, 1 woman and 1 girl child, one of them with a first name starting with V but cannot see anyone that fits that grouping...

Also she says they gave statements to the PJ - can't see any in the files released though it's possible they may have been held back and not released.

Just wondered if these posts were ever discussed here and if the feeling is that Vera is genuine or not? DId a search for her name but couldn't find anything on this forum...




Posted by: Vera, Essex 12th Mar 2008. 14:48:50

When will people get it into their heads that MW's did not and does not have a listening service in Portugal. This only applies in a few countries like Greece.
The reason for this is because The MW's in Portugal was spread over a large area with no security walls and some of the apartments were not owned by MW's.
What they did supply was a creche to leave children in at night so parents could go to dinner with their friends and then pick them up afterwards. It was open each night until about 11.30 or later if you made arrangements for a later pick up.
They also had a babysitting service where a person who normally worked in the creche by day stayed in the apartment and babysat the children.
Mark Warners offered this personal service to everyone, the only drawback being that it cost about £10 per hour. Maybe the McCann's didn't think their children were worth paying out money for.
The McCann's went to another restaurant (Chaplin's) the previous night which was even further away from where they were staying and they left their children alone even at that distance. Chaplin's is 800 metres more in distance than the 200 metres it takes to get to the Tapas Bar.
MW's staff had to go and find them and ask the McCann's to return to their apartment as one of their children had been crying for over an hour and a half.
The next day MW's offered them a babysitter for the night (for free) on the 3rd May and the McCann's cancelled her services and went to the Tapas Bar which was 200 metres away not 50 yards as the McCann's have stated).
Even after all that crying from their child the previous night, they still left their children alone again the next night. If that is not wilful neglect, what the hell is?
On a different theme. Has anybody noticed how amazingly alike David Payne is to Robert Murat? He could practically be his twin!



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Vera's 2nd comment:

cluck uk 12 Mar 2008 16:17:38

There is not a listening service at MW's in Portugal and never has been.
The reason I know this is that I was at MW's in Praia de Luz at the same time as the McCann's.
I was there with my daughter and granddaughter at the time Madeleine went missing.
I saw a lot of things while I was there but I can't say what as both of us have given statements to the PJ.
We alternately went out and searched for Madeleine while her parents stayed indoors.
People on holiday and the people of Praia de Luz searched and some of the people took a week or more off to search for her.
The parents were far too busy going for a jog or playing tennis to do such a lowly thing as search for their own daughter.
When you do eventually learn of what did happen and what was seen, your jaw will drop down to the ground in complete shock.
As for Murat saying that he didn't know any of the Tapas nine. What do you think when Gerry was asked in front of a camera, "Do you know Robert Murat". His answer was "No comment". I found that's a very strange think to say. Why not just say 'yes' or 'no'.
The only people who said that Murat was there that night are the McCann's friends. All the other witnesses said that there was a man who 'looked' like him. Look for a picture of David Payne, you will see that they are very alike and one could be mistaken for the other especially as it was quite dark by then. I have seen the two of them and the likeness is startling! I thought that they were the same person until I saw them standing nearly next to each other.
Not one of the McCann's friends said they had seen Murat that night. Not until later in the week was it mentioned when a female reporter said that he was being very helpful just like Ian Huntley was when the two girls went missing in England.
She pointed out the similarities of how Huntley had been helpful when the reporters spoke to him and so mentioned it to one of the McCann's friends and that's when they started pointing the finger at him.
She was one of the reporters who were there when the murder of the two girls was being investigated and that's the only reason that she mentioned it.
I am not saying Murat did or did not have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance as I really don't know if he did or not. Nor do I know if Madeleine was abducted or if something else happened to her by accident or at her parents hand.
I can only tell you the same things that are known to the public already and that is that the parents left their three kids every night alone and vulnerable. A disaster waiting to happen!
I do wonder if people would be as supportive to the McCann's if the children had died from a leaky gas boiler or burnt to death in a fire. Maybe even drowned in the pool or had an accident while they were left alone, or would they be pointing the finger at them and saying that the parents are guilty of wilful child neglect and would they still be supportive of the parents if they had done the same thing in England.
Still, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs.
The one thing that has always puzzled me is, why do the McCann's say that being an arguido stops them from looking for their daughter. Nobody has ever stopped them looking for her or made any attempt to do so. They have not been charged with anything as yet and are free to go anywhere they wish unless it takes over five days and then all they just have to do is inform the police as to whereabouts they are.
They do have Metodo 3 searching for her, although how a company with no history of finding missing children/people and who's only qualification as private detectives is to deal with fraud cases as the norm was ever hired to find Madeleine is beyond me!

Posted by: Vera ,Essex 13 Mar 2008 01:27:06

"Vera" means truth.
So I think we can discount the report !

Stewie, I guess it's possible that 'Vera' isn't this ladies legal name, just a username?
They are two odd comments though, the first seems believable but the second sounds like she's just repeating facts that are publicly known?

Well, I wonder what this 'truth' is that will make our jaws drop to the floor in shock???

As for mention of what K +G can and can't do due to 'judicial secrecy', well I'd take any of that with a pinch of salt. We all know that they hid behind this when asked questions they were afraid to answer, yet totally ignored it when feeding 'helpful' snippets to the press! The hypocrites.

She used to post on the old Mirror forum as Vera Broughton from Essex. I think she was 'oldcrone' on the 3 Arguidos forum.

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Not that I want to dwell too much on Kate's fevered imagination on page 129 of her novel, but I wonder if she got the "torn apart" idea from the e-mails that Vera Broughton supposedly sent.

happychick wrote:She used to post on the old Mirror forum as Vera Broughton from Essex. I think she was 'oldcrone' on the 3 Arguidos forum.

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hmm.. not a very nice character to be sending emails like that....

ah well - I was brewing up a nice theory about maybe Vera was one of the mysterious Irwin women .. but letting my conspiratorial imagination run away with me....

Think we can safely presume Vera is not genuine.. really wish someone would come out of the woodwork by now and say what happened - guess they're too worried about getting rucked by CR which is entirely understandable..

Stewie wrote:From Vera:
There is not a listening service at MW's in Portugal and never has been.
The reason I know this is that I was at MW's in Praia de Luz at the same time as the McCann's.
I was there with my daughter and granddaughter at the time Madeleine went missing.
I saw a lot of things while I was there but I can't say what as both of us have given statements to the PJ.

There is only one person who fits this description and I can say without any hesitation that if this is her, it's a lie. As 'Vera', as she calls herself left before any statements were taken. The rest of the family did arrange to stay on an extra week, but she left, if this is the same family.

Did she make those comments before the files were released into the public domain?

I can't remember when the files were released, but that may explain why she hasn't been heard of since