Reverse logic solution

by Silentscope 12.07.20 11:27

BlueBag wrote:Let's say they find her body down a well.

They have to prove he did it.

Which will be a interesting challenge for them.

They actually find her body

The real ‘Abductor’ is the only one who has real access to the body and knows where it is. Whoever put it wherever it is found to be - either planted it or not. If no one knew who Brückner was at the time of reporting, how would they know of his existence now? How would they Plausibly leak it’s planted location? What if they find out that it was planted at a point in time that rules him out.

If it absolutely cannot be Brückner because he has an unbreakable Alibi. And he is really being set up.

Who else can it be? Who wants it to be someone else so badly?

Not a lot of choice left is there?

by Doug D 12.07.20 11:58

The nearest beach (not even saying this is where the photo was taken) to Vila do Bispo is 4.2km away, so searching wells there, based on where the campervan may have been photographed makes absolutely no sense Sandra.

Sorry, but have you been studying at the Tracey Kandhola/Bruntie school of 'utter crap, but they still pay you for it'  journalism?

We also have no idea when these photos of the campervan were actually taken, so again completely irrelevant.

TV GIRL'S 'HUNCH'
[size=32]Reporter who broke story on new Madeleine McCann search believes Christian B had an accomplice[/size]

EXCLUSIVE
·       Nick Pisa
·       12 Jul 2020, 3:50
·       Updated: 12 Jul 2020, 3:50
THE Portuguese TV reporter who broke the story of the new Madeleine searches believes prime suspect Christian B had an accomplice, we can reveal.
Sandra Felgueiras, who works on Sexta 9, told how cops were led to the wells after recognising a stretch of beach near Vila do Bispo where Christian B's VW camper van had been pictured.
And she said: “My hunch is Christian B had an accomplice and was working with someone the night Maddie was taken.
"The obvious key is to find them.”
She added: “The German police are convinced Maddie is dead.
"The wells they searched contain lime. That substance can quickly dissolve a body.
“They didn’t find anything but it was a logical place to search because the photos of his van on the beach are a short distance away.”
She also revealed Christian B was suspected of being involved in the disappearance of a girl of 16 from near Foral — close to Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished — where he lived in 2008.
The girl was later found and no action was taken against him but mystery remained over what happened.
Sandra also said she felt “lied to” by her police sources who pedalled the discredited theory that Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry were involved in her abduction.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12099214/reporter-who-broke-story-on-new-madeleine-mccann-search-believes-christian-b-had-an-accomplice/

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. - Page 20 Vila_d10

by Armchair-defective 12.07.20 12:30

“My hunch is Christian B had an accomplice and was working with someone the night Maddie was taken.
"The obvious key is to find them.”
She added: “The German police are convinced Maddie is dead.
"The wells they searched contain lime. That substance can quickly dissolve a body.
“They didn’t find anything but it was a logical place to search because the photos of his van on the beach are a short distance away.”

What a load of poo Sandra. Hans Wolter has already said the vehicles were probably not involved in the disappearance and it was just to jog people's memories.

We also have the fact the van was covered in murals thanks to Amaral, making it impossible to miss. People always seem to latch onto this idea of a 'trafficking gang' or a gang of pedos that took Madeleine...they can't envisage that 'respectable' people can harm children so they invent whole gangs of fairy tale villains in 'child snatcher' vans.

by theomega 12.07.20 12:50

The accomplice?!! That seems right. Who visited Vila Do Bispo again on July 27th 2007?

by Silverspeed 12.07.20 23:18

[size=48]Madeleine McCann cops search suspect's beach haunt and draw up new witness list[/size]

Police probing Madeleine McCann’s abduction have drawn up a list of potential new witnesses to quiz.
German police are directing Portuguese special search units to pursue new lines of inquiry as they ramp up a probe into paedo Christian Brueckner.
He was named last month as the prime suspect in the abduction – more than 13 years after Maddie vanished from a resort in Praia Da Luz in May 2007.
A 10-strong team of local police, firefighters and divers has been scouring a network of wells in the village of Budens.
According to Portuguese reports, police now intend to focus the hunt on the area around the Boca Do Rio beach where Brueckner is known to have spent time in his camper van.
It is claimed fresh sightings have emerged of Brueckner’s VW Westfalia – which he sold for scrap in 2017 in the Algarve for £5,000 – in the area around the wells.

Detectives may start searching properties in the area while questioning his former girlfriends, colleagues and pals.
A source said: “Since he was named, people have come forward saying they saw his camper van around beaches and camping sites in Vila Do Bispo."

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. - Page 20 0_The-wells-farm-wells-in-Budens-nr-Praia-da-Luz-also-showing-Dan-Warburton-and-Mrio-Lucas

One of the wells searched by police (Image: John Gladwin/Sunday Mirror)
German police believe he may have tried to bury or throw Madeleine’s body in wells in the area, but there are dozens.
Now Brueckner is the focus of the investigation they are focusing on places he frequented.”
An eight-hour search of wells on Thursday took place a 10-minute drive from Praia da Luz but it is believed divers did not find any important evidence.

Police are thought to have acted on a tip-off, possibly from German investigators, that Brueckner’s VW van was seen in an area popular with German surfers and campers. His van was also photographed on a beach at Praia do Barranco, 40 minutes from Praia da Luz.
Former Maddie detective Jim Gamble, who headed the National Crime Agency’s child unit, said: “The level of circumstantial evidence pointing to Brueckner is substantial.

The fact police are so heavily re-engaged and carrying out this detailed and difficult search – that all has to be positive.”
Brueckner, 43, is in a German jail for drug offences. He is appealing against his conviction last year for raping a 72- year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2005.
German prosecutors say they have evidence he killed her but he denies inv-olvement in her disappearance.

by **Mainline** 12.07.20 23:44

Jump on Google Earth Pro and look at historical imagery. You will find the closest date to May 3rd 2007 is the 22nd of June. Now scan the Algarve for white vans.

Congratulations, you've just written 1,700 future tabloid stories. Attribute them to the likes of Heriberto Janosch and mine's a pint.

by Verdi 13.07.20 0:36

by Verdi 13.07.20 1:18

HUNT FOR MADDIE Madeleine McCann cops search 20 more wells over fears Christian B dumped her body in one

Nick Parker

12 Jul 2020, 22:43Updated: 12 Jul 2020, 22:43

POLICE are to search at least 20 more wells for Madeleine McCann amid fears her body was dumped by paedophile Christian B.

New witnesses are being sought as Portuguese officers step up the probe following “convincing” information.

It is claimed Christian B could have dropped the body of the tot, snatched in 2007 just days before her fourth birthday, in an abandoned shaft.

Cops want to speak to anyone who saw the German when he parked his VW Westfalia van in the Algarve.

Three wells were searched last Thursday by a Portuguese police team, including divers.

A source said: “Those well searches are unlikely to be the last.

"They were the most obvious, close to Boca do Rio beach where Christian B stayed and next to the road.

"At least 20 more will need to be checked.”

Convicted child sex fiend Christian B, 43, is prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine from her Praia da Luz holiday apartment.

He is in a German jail for drug offences but may be freed on Wednesday.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12104131/maddie-cops-search-20-more-wells/
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Note to editors/sub-editors: Madeleine McCann was not snatched, stolen, kidnapped nor abducted. No Abduction = No Abductor.

The Portuguese police are not stupid, they are not your idle playthings. If you're looking for a corrupt inept bungling police force, look no further than Britain's finest - the Metropolitan Police and their bogus investigative team, Operation Grange.

Leave the Portuguese out of this.

by **PeterMac** 13.07.20 6:39

And for some sanity, we can rely on Natasha.
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https://www.portugalresident.com/pj-police-search-three-wells-in-vila-do-bispo-as-new-revelations-continue-to-focus-on-jailed-pedophile/

PJ police search three wells in Vila do Bispo as new ‘revelations’ continue to focus on jailed pedophile

By
Natasha Donn
-
12th July 2020
The weekend began with major news outlets focusing on new police searches down three remote wells for the body of Madeleine McCann.
Over 13 years since the little girl went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, focus keeps ramping up on jailed pedophile/ drug trafficker/ sex attacker and convicted thief Christian Brückner.
The latest searches in wells near beaches around Vila do Bispo that the now 43-year-old is said to have frequented close to the time that Madeleine went missing, appear not to have revealed any human remains.
However different sources are asserting different ‘truths’.
For example, British online The World News, claims “Portuguese police say they now have “fundamental evidence” Madeleine McCann is dead”.
Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is cited as the source – but news outlets here are nothing like as ‘categoric’.
Indeed, it’s difficult to see where The World News gets its information – certainly not from RTP – though the channel’s Sexta às 9 investigative programme admits its own reporters have “found new leads that make it more plausible that Christian Brückner was the author of this crime”.
Again, this is said with reference to alleged sex ‘crimes’ – none of which have involved children of Madeleine’s age.
In every case, the incidents cited by Sexta às 9 have been with young adolescents.
Nonetheless, the overall picture is of Portuguese and German ‘BKA’ detectives working in some form of collaboration, with the latter every bit as convinced that Brückner is their man as they were when they first ‘broke’ the news of their interest in him (click here).
Even so, there are a number of ‘loose ends’.
For example, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters is convinced of Brückner’s guilt, that he ‘did the deed’ (meaning killed Madeleine) but at the same time, RTP reports that Brückner’s “best friend” Michael Tatschl – apparently living with Brückner at the time Madeleine went missing – has told the UK Mirror his friend “was a pervert and would be perfectly capable of kidnapping a child for sexual abuse or money”.
In other words, if Maddie was kidnapped in order to be sold, it is unlikely Brückner would have murdered her and thrown her body into a well.
What has emerged certainly is that authorities are persisting in efforts to find the ‘missing piece of this puzzle’: the ‘smoking gun’ that could nail Brückner to the most-talked-about missing persons case of modern times.
When German police first trailed Brückner as their suspect, they released details of a mobile phone with which he had carried out a half-hour conversation shortly before Madeleine disappeared from her bed.
Hopes were that they would discover who had been on the other end of the line and so get a little closer to solving the case.
According to Sexta às 9, this hasn’t happened.
Brückner meantime remains in jail, allegedly saying he had nothing to do with any of it (click here).
Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ coordinator who led the initial investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, has reiterated his belief that Brückner is being used as a convenient scapegoat (click here).
natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

by Verdi 13.07.20 13:01

Madeleine McCann police 'to search 20 more wells' amid fears toddler's body was dumped

Last week detectives searched three wells in Vila do Bispo – just a 10-minute drive from the Portuguese resort where the British toddler was snatched - with more searches set to follow

ByDan Warburton
Dave Burke

08:25, 13 JUL 2020

Police are now searching more than 20 wells amid fears Madeleine McCann's abductor dumped her body after killing her.

Police were last week seen hunting in three wells for the little girl's remains - with her family facing an agonising wait for an update.

Sources say the searches are likely to continue, with another 20 wells to follow after nothing was found during efforts last Thursday.

Detectives now believe Madeleine, who was due to turn four days before her disappearance, may have been left in an abandoned shaft in Vila do Bispo – just a 10-minute drive from the Portuguese resort where the British toddler was snatched.

A family source said: “It is a period of prolonged agony. They have still absolutely no idea what evidence police have to suggest Madeleine is dead.

“They are not being told what police believe happened to her. We feel desperately sorry for them as they’ve endured so much pain and angst for 13 years.”

The search site is also near the beach where prime suspect Christian Brueckner’s VW camper van was photographed in 2007.

A source told The Sun: “Those well searches are unlikely to be the last.

"They were the most obvious, close to Boca do Rio beach where (Brueckner) stayed and next to the road.

"At least 20 more will need to be checked.”

German police linked the convicted paedophile and rapist – currently in jail – to the case last month.

Investigators have drawn up a list of potential new witnesses to quiz.

German police are directing Portuguese special search units to pursue new lines of inquiry as they ramp up a probe into Brueckner.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-police-to-search-22345809
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I await photographic evidence of this latest activity waiting

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Yours,

Disgruntled of Tunbridge Wells

by Verdi 13.07.20 13:07

The Mirror wrote:Police are now searching more than 20 wells amid fears Madeleine McCann's abductor dumped her body after killing her.

You're running before you can walk.

Firstly you need compelling evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted. If that can't be reasonably established, you're wasting valuable time and resources.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14767p25-documented-evidence#380302

by Guest 13.07.20 13:24

Gonçalo Amaral is right about this obsessive need to assume, right out of the bat, that Madeleine McCann had been abducted.

I think that's very telling.

When somebody only wants you to look in a certain direction, without considering other possibilities, that somebody is trying to steer people away from something.

by Silverspeed 13.07.20 13:50

pauloalexandre wrote:Gonçalo Amaral is right about this obsessive need to assume, right out of the bat, that Madeleine McCann had been abducted.

I think that's very telling.

When somebody only wants you to look in a certain direction, without considering other possibilities, that somebody is trying to steer people away from something.

Couldn't agree more pauloalexandre. The fact that it has to be an abduction and can't possibly be anything else speaks volumes.

by Silentscope 13.07.20 13:59

Just lucky for us that we are not under anyone’s orders then, and cannot be told how to investigate and where we can look.

by sandancer 13.07.20 15:12

pauloalexandre wrote:Gonçalo Amaral is right about this obsessive need to assume, right out of the bat, that Madeleine McCann had been abducted.

I think that's very telling.

When somebody only wants you to look in a certain direction, without considering other possibilities, that somebody is trying to steer people away from something.

It's been that way from its begining ! From Kate allegedly shouting " they've taken her " , the jemmied shutters , then proved a lie , so changed to the " abductor " went out of the window then a " red herring " ( plenty of those around !) , suing everyone who disagree with them . Ignoring the dogs " incredibly unreliable " which still goes on 13 years later as shown in the latest " investigation " .
Despite Operation Grange being run by the Homicide Squad , it's a " missing persons investigation " , Sir Mark Rowley -" however she left the apartment she was abducted " .
MSM tow the party line religiously , " our lawyers are watching " those of us who question the " abduction " providing evidence are " trolls " and clearly not " inherently good people " .
The McCanns appear happy to accept the criticism of " neglectful parents " because that perpetuates the " abduction " story . Whatever happened must be so much worse .
Look over there , Not over here , what or who are we Not allowed to look at ?
I also think that's very telling .
Madeleines name is used constantly , but to line pockets , to convince the masses , it's not about her the one person who truly is the victim the one who deserves the truth to be told , and Not a version of it !

by Armchair-defective 13.07.20 15:27

Why do people buy this complete rubbish?

'A source said'......

So apparently it's happening but no photos and no reports from locals. Police also are not bothering to search Bruckners house?!

by MTSTAR 13.07.20 15:35

sandancer wrote:
pauloalexandre wrote:Gonçalo Amaral is right about this obsessive need to assume, right out of the bat, that Madeleine McCann had been abducted.

I think that's very telling.

When somebody only wants you to look in a certain direction, without considering other possibilities, that somebody is trying to steer people away from something.

It's been that way from its begining ! From Kate allegedly shouting " they've taken her " , the jemmied shutters , then proved a lie , so changed to the " abductor " went out of the window then a " red herring " ( plenty of those around !) , suing everyone who disagree with them . Ignoring the dogs " incredibly unreliable " which still goes on 13 years later as shown in the latest " investigation " .
Despite Operation Grange being run by the Homicide Squad , it's a " missing persons investigation " , Sir Mark Rowley -" however she left the apartment she was abducted " .
MSM tow the party line religiously , " our lawyers are watching " those of us who question the " abduction " providing evidence are " trolls " and clearly not " inherently good people " .
The McCanns appear happy to accept the criticism of " neglectful parents " because that perpetuates the " abduction " story . Whatever happened must be so much worse .
Look over there , Not over here , what or who are we Not allowed to look at ?
I also think that's very telling .
Madeleines name is used constantly , but to line pockets , to convince the masses , it's not about her the one person who truly is the victim the one who deserves the truth to be told , and Not a version of it !

So well said. You’ve summed it up exactly.

by Silentscope 13.07.20 18:30

In the case of the German Murder victim Claudia Ruf, the latest DNA tests have ruled Brückner out.
The investigation into his relationship in Maddies case is ongoing.

Source Focus.de
Auch der deutsche Verdächtige im Mordfall «Maddie» McCann wird auf eine Täterschaft überprüft. «Nach dem aktuellen Ermittlungsstand kommt er nicht infrage», hieß es am Donnerstag. «Die Ermittlungen dauern aber noch an.»

by garfy 13.07.20 18:55

Maddie McCann: Surprise for investigators - they hadn't expected this news from Portugal

Marcel Storch
on 07/13/2020 at 11:48 a.m.

In search of the missing Maddie McCann, the police search old wells around Praia da Luz. The place where the three-year-old disappeared 13 years ago.

Maddie McCann: German investigators surprised by search measures

Wolters suspects that the Portuguese police, startled by global attention, may have received new evidence in the Maddie McCann case , which the local police are now investigating.
The reports about the new search measures by the Portuguese colleagues caused surprise for the German investigators. "I also read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with the BKA or us. "The Portuguese police are investigating themselves," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to this editorial team. "We don't know what knowledge they are based on," he emphasizes.

https://www.derwesten.de/panorama/vermischtes/maddie-mccann-ermittler-ueberrascht-diese-nachricht-aus-portugal-ist-der-grund-id229503748.html

by sandancer 13.07.20 19:22

garfy wrote:
Maddie McCann: Surprise for investigators - they hadn't expected this news from Portugal

Marcel Storch
on 07/13/2020 at 11:48 a.m.

In search of the missing Maddie McCann, the police search old wells around Praia da Luz. The place where the three-year-old disappeared 13 years ago.
Maddie McCann: German investigators surprised by search measures

Wolters suspects that the Portuguese police, startled by global attention, may have received new evidence in the Maddie McCann case , which the local police are now investigating.
The reports about the new search measures by the Portuguese colleagues caused surprise for the German investigators. "I also read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with the BKA or us. "The Portuguese police are investigating themselves," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to this editorial team. "We don't know what knowledge they are based on," he emphasizes.

https://www.derwesten.de/panorama/vermischtes/maddie-mccann-ermittler-ueberrascht-diese-nachricht-aus-portugal-ist-der-grund-id229503748.html

Why should should the Portuguese Police consult with the BKA or anyone ?

Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal not Germany . They have jurisdiction .

by Guest 13.07.20 19:25

^^
Exactly.

The Portuguese now have to ask for the German police's permission to conduct searches on the ground, in their own territory?

What a load of bollocks.

by **sharonl** 13.07.20 21:26

garfy wrote:
Maddie McCann: Surprise for investigators - they hadn't expected this news from Portugal

Marcel Storch
on 07/13/2020 at 11:48 a.m.

In search of the missing Maddie McCann, the police search old wells around Praia da Luz. The place where the three-year-old disappeared 13 years ago.
Maddie McCann: German investigators surprised by search measures

Wolters suspects that the Portuguese police, startled by global attention, may have received new evidence in the Maddie McCann case , which the local police are now investigating.
The reports about the new search measures by the Portuguese colleagues caused surprise for the German investigators. "I also read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with the BKA or us. "The Portuguese police are investigating themselves," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to this editorial team. "We don't know what knowledge they are based on," he emphasizes.

https://www.derwesten.de/panorama/vermischtes/maddie-mccann-ermittler-ueberrascht-diese-nachricht-aus-portugal-ist-der-grund-id229503748.html

Maybe they have been looking at the McCsnns activity from April 29th onwards and its lead them back to the search area. They did receive new evidence from MMRG which was accepted by the AG and passed on to the prosecutor.

There is panic in McCann land at the moment, all the trolls are out in force. Is this what all this Bruckner dumped her in well nonsense is all about?

by **Mainline** 13.07.20 22:30

sharonl wrote:
garfy wrote:
Maddie McCann: Surprise for investigators - they hadn't expected this news from Portugal

Marcel Storch
on 07/13/2020 at 11:48 a.m.

In search of the missing Maddie McCann, the police search old wells around Praia da Luz. The place where the three-year-old disappeared 13 years ago.
Maddie McCann: German investigators surprised by search measures

Wolters suspects that the Portuguese police, startled by global attention, may have received new evidence in the Maddie McCann case , which the local police are now investigating.
The reports about the new search measures by the Portuguese colleagues caused surprise for the German investigators. "I also read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with the BKA or us. "The Portuguese police are investigating themselves," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to this editorial team. "We don't know what knowledge they are based on," he emphasizes.

https://www.derwesten.de/panorama/vermischtes/maddie-mccann-ermittler-ueberrascht-diese-nachricht-aus-portugal-ist-der-grund-id229503748.html

Maybe they have been looking at the McCsnns activity from April 29th onwards and its lead them back to the search area. They did receive new evidence from MMRG which was accepted by the AG and passed on to the prosecutor.

There is panic in McCann land at the moment, all the trolls are out in force. Is this what all this Bruckner dumped her in well nonsense is all about?

I sent in evidence to Wolters and he 'forwarded it to investigation'.

We just need the casual witnesses to step forward IMO.

by **Jill Havern** 13.07.20 22:53

Madeleine McCann police failed to tell prosecutors about plan to search wells
Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week in the search for Maddie, although they failed to tell German prosecutors about the dives amid calls for a joint investigation

By Dan Warburton 21:13, 13 JUL 2020

German prosecutors were not told about fresh searches for Madeleine McCann – and say they do not even know what prompted them.

Portuguese police sent divers to explore three wells last week near where German suspect Christian Brueckner used to hang out.

But Braunschweig public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has revealed he was not alerted in advance.

His remarks will raise further concerns about the hunt for Maddie, who vanished from her Praia da Luz holiday home in 2007.

It has been plagued by claims of “botches” and missed chances to find her by Portuguese police.

Mr Wolters, overseeing the investigation into paedophile Brueckner, said of Thursday’s search: “I read about it, but the measures were not taken in consultation with us.

“The Portuguese police are investigating themselves. We don’t know what knowledge they are based on.”

According to reports in Germany, Mr Wolters suspects the Portuguese police, startled by renewed global attention, may have had new information.

The force has been criticised for its handling of three-year-old Maddie’s disappearance, with claims they were desperate to blame parents Kate and Gerry, both 52.

Calls have now been made for a full joint investigation after German police revealed in June they believed Brueckner, 43, had taken and killed Maddie. Criminologist Heriberto Janosch Gonzalez wrote on his blog: “The three main police authorities involved appear to be investigating independently, not sharing all data with one another.”

Mr Wolters reportedly said: “We’re in contact with Portuguese and British colleagues, but do not talk to each other all the time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-failed-tell-22350130

by Guest 13.07.20 23:14

"they failed to tell German prosecutors about the dives amid calls for a joint investigation"?

"It has been plagued by claims of “botches” and missed chances to find her by Portuguese police."?

This is beyond unacceptable.

The PJ is a respectable police agency with loads of competent and hard-working officers who commit themselves everyday to defend our streets and people.

That is not to say that there is no corruption, in some cases.

But, for God's sake, have some respect for them.

The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.