Was Madeleine seen after Sunday?

MayMuse wrote:

dottyaussie wrote:@MayMuse have a look at this thread John Major and the Symington Family. It talks about who is related to who including Murat and how people are involved

I've just read it and all I can say is WOW!!

@dottyaussie Thank you, I have keyed in search but nothing comes up & for the FOI...where can I find the links to it would you know?

MayMuse wrote:Symington is that the one who is the son of the owner of the complex? The one who looks uncannily like Murat?

April28th wrote:Let's not forget, also, that the late Mrs. Fenn, of crying incident fame, was a former employee at Windsor Castle.

April28th wrote:@Verdi Quite correct, I'd just deleted that post on seeing the 'stay on topic' post above, didn't think anyone would've caught it. Let this post stand as confirmation of correction.

dottyaussie wrote:I think the earlier phone records would be very interesting if they were ever released. Are deleted text messages retrievable or able to be read by PJ ?

dottyaussie wrote:If were going with the theory that something happened before the third then we could agree that something happened on the Monday the 30th based on

1. Its the day that everyone avoided talking about.
2. Its the day that Madeleine was in and out of the creche within 15 mins
3. Its the day that neither GM or KM mentioned doing anything with M that afternoon or that she was unwell.
4. Its the day GM & KM changed their routine.
5. Its the day when there was no pings from Kate´s and Gerry´s phones in Pdl.
6. Its the day when they went on a trip to Sagres....erm...or maybe not...confusion is good.
7. Its the day when WBM logged "CEOP´s missing Madeleine" website.
   

The questions then if she became ill on the Monday who was looking after her and where was she?

Ok this may sound really random but how about the delightful and very helpful.....Charlotte Pennington ? Her statements are just as messed up as TM. But if she was looking after Madeleine then she may have been telling the truth when she said she read stories to her. In Russel O'Brien's statement he said she was looking after Dave & Fiona's kids.Did he mean in the creche or as a nanny? In the Charlotte Pennington thread it is mentioned that she worked at the same hospital as KM in New Zealand which could imply KM knew her before they were in PDL. Are the creche records available for the group she apparently worked with?

If the cleaner or tradesmen were at the apartment Monday morning then there was nothing to witness. After Mon afternoon if anyone came round simply shut the bedroom door, nothing to see here.

As far as the twins asking questions, from personal experience when a family member is seriously ill, children that age are easily distracted and have a memory like a sieve. Even when they were at the house everyday they never asked any questions. They never even knew that person had become deceased until they were told.

Questions about the Creche Records and CB

Well we already know the creche records are dodgy and past posts have said how the conversation with CB could've gone re CB going along with keeping the creche records dodgy. The same/similar conversation could've happened with Charlotte.

The OMG momemt.

This OMG moment could've happened Mon afternoon/night, Tues, Wed or even Thursday day at a push. So needing someone to look after MBM would've only been for one or two days, maximum three days and for only a few hours during the morning, later in the afternoon and a few hours in the evening.

If that moment was,

Mon Afternoon/Night - The day no-one speaks of. KM went to supermarket with JT. Apparently to buy cleaning products. No need to involve CP
Tuesday - If MBM was ill/alive CP could've been looking after her during the day. OMG moment during the evening. Mrs Fenn apparently hears crying. Wednesday- Either CP  looking after MBM if she was still ill/alive or "Thanks CP she's fine now" if she was not. (I know, but not totally unbelievable)
Thursday- Same as Wednesday. But that doesn't leave alot of time for cleaning, making up a plan etc.

In all of this I'm not entirely sure if ALL the Tapas 7 were completely 'in the know'. So we have GM, KM, some of the Tapas 7, CB, and CP. Also the person/s that helped them when the moment happened who was the reason all this high level assistance was brought in for.

This is just my thoughts and trying to find the pieces that fit the jigsaw.

dottyaussie wrote:@Realist

No I was talking about it being joint venture. That someone assisted them in the situation they were in whatever that situation was.

@Grandad wrote:
 

 
At this point A JOINT VENTURE is formed – NOT to cover up a murder or to dispose of a corpse – but to treat her and SAVE HER LIFE!
 



 

Realist wrote:

dottyaussie wrote:@Realist

No I was talking about it being joint venture. That someone assisted them in the situation they were in whatever that situation was.

I'm afraid I'm a tad confused here, dottyaussie, because you were replying to Grandad who was patently advancing an hypothesis purporting that another party may have been enlisted to aid an ailing Madeleine, not to cover any situation they may have found themselves in. Hence my assumption that it would had to have been a person with a modicum of medical knowledge, after all, it wouldn't have benefited their cause to have enlisted a plumber, builder et al, would it now.

I think, along with a number of others, you have been watching too many TV spy thrillers, whereby a bondesque type character calls in the clean up squad, complete with white overalls and unobtrusive van to dispose of a body, along with all incriminating evidence

@Grandad wrote:
 

 
At this point A JOINT VENTURE is formed – NOT to cover up a murder or to dispose of a corpse – but to treat her and SAVE HER LIFE!
 



 

''And if someone else OTHER than the McCanns or the Tapas crew assisted in the original problem, who then became part of this JOINT VENTURE, then maybe the involvement of Govt/MIS/Embassy was for THAT person or THOSE persons and not the McCanns.''

aquila wrote:

Would you please explain why you called me JD? You seem to have been missing from the forum for quite a few hours since I asked.

Realist wrote:

aquila wrote:

Would you please explain why you called me JD? You seem to have been missing from the forum for quite a few hours since I asked.

I do have other matters to attend to outside of the internet, Aquila, if you read your PM's, all will be revealed.

aquila wrote:

I've just read your PM and it means nothing...what is 'it was an advertisement from years ago' have to do with anything?

Don't PM me again. When I ask you for an answer to something you have written openly on the forum please have the courtesy to answer it openly.


If you care to check the timing of my PM you will note that I had already sent it out of courtesy, prior to your asking me openly on this forum. The reason I did so was because it was merely an innocuous throw away line which I didn't consider merited a mention on this thread.

Heaven forbid, you should think I had temerity to PM you with any ulterior motive in mind. For the benefit of all to see, voila:- 

Grandad wrote:Re your being a tad confused Realist -