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Post by AndyB on 29.10.13 9:29

Being new around here I wasn't familiar with the name Kiko. The following link gives an interesting background for other newer members
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3365-the-tapas-phone-autopsy

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Post by Guest on 29.10.13 9:32

@ProfMoriarty wrote:

Of course, the recon will never happen. There is no agreed timeline.
Wouldn't that be the whole point of the recon? The PJ saying to the McCanns, "We can't make your timeline fit so you show us what happened and explain the discrepancies"

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.10.13 10:01

Poe wrote:
@ProfMoriarty wrote:

Of course, the recon will never happen. There is no agreed timeline.
Wouldn't that be the whole point of the recon? The PJ saying to the McCanns, "We can't make your timeline fit so you show us what happened and explain the discrepancies"
They know they are 'f**ked' with a re-con because JW WILL put himself exactly where he said he was, outside gate to 5A, and GM's CONSTANT 'lying' about how HE 'crossed the street' (Oprah, bewks, mocku's etc) will be exposed for all to see.

And people will ASK, WHY did he lie about such an important piece of 'evidence'?

Still dosen't EXPLAIN why JW has NOT 'challenged' McCanns 'version' of events. SIX years later.

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Post by noddy100 on 29.10.13 10:05

Why was the phone evidence not used at the beginning? Thanks

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Post by PeterMac on 29.10.13 10:14

@jeanmonroe wrote:
Poe wrote:
@ProfMoriarty wrote:

Of course, the recon will never happen. There is no agreed timeline.
Wouldn't that be the whole point of the recon? The PJ saying to the McCanns, "We can't make your timeline fit so you show us what happened and explain the discrepancies"
They know they are 'f**ked' with a re-con because JW WILL put himself exactly where he said he was, outside gate to 5A, and GM's CONSTANT 'lying' about how HE 'crossed the street' (Oprah, bewks, mocku's etc) will be exposed for all to see.

And people will ASK, WHY did he lie about such an important piece of 'evidence'?
And they couldn't do it before, because of the 1 minute and 20 second "Window of Opportunity".

They will have difficulties now because they still only have 4 minutes from the last Tapas person to cross the car park on his way back to the bar
- and NOT seeing people, cars, open windows, broken shutters, whooshing curtains, -  and Kate's visit.

They still cannot use the unlocked patio door as a point of entry or exit, because it would involve opening the little gate and the safety gate at the top of the stairs,
and then shutting them again on the way out, and in any event Kate would have seen him going up the road.
So they are back to jemmied and smashed shutters, which even Mitchell admits was a downright lie.
Or the front door, which needed a key to enter.

And they are still stuck, actually to an even greater extent, with the sedation of the children.
If Kate was in the apartment within minutes it makes it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE that gas was used, or she as a gas-man would have detected it.
So you are left with injection of three children (Try it some time ! !),  by mouth - which means they would all have to wake up, and then become unconscious within two minutes - NOT POSSIBLE,
or in the other two possible routes, which is unthinkable.

Getting rid of Tannerman was a stroke of GENIUS.

They are stuffed

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Post by GRACEFUL1 on 29.10.13 10:22

English police follows gipsy lead
English police follows gipsy lead
29 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment

Video

broadcast by TVI, October 28, 2013

Transcript

Voice over - It's three men of gipsy ethnicity who are now the target of the English police. They would have been seen roaming around the apartment in Praia da Luz where the McCann family were holidaying, and were named as responsible for burglaries in the area. A report that at the time was made to the Judiciary Police by an Ocean Club employee, wasn't deemed relevant to the investigation but the English detectives think otherwise. They want to get to the three men and to try to fit them in the thesis that Madeleine was abducted following a robbery to the apartment.
The British press speaks about a string of burglaries weeks before the disappearance of the child in May 2007, something that no one has ever heard about until now and is refuted by several sources of the GNR contacted by TVI who worked in that area.
This is what is known of the investigation taking place in England, about the Portuguese one, which was archived in 2008 and reopened last Thursday at the request of the Judiciary Police no details are known even because the process is under secrecy of justice. It is only known results of new elements found during the reanalysis of the process done during the last two and a half years by  PJ team from Porto.

Video

broadcast by Sky News, October 15, 2013



The Ocean Club employee's statement

Luis F. M. Ferro - Maintenance worker - Date of statement May 7, 2007

Comes to the case records and in the quality of a witness. That he is a maintenance worker at the tourist resort "Ocean Club" since March 2006. That in this tourist resort he is in charge of he maintenance of pools and all that relates with the properties. That in the sequence of of his work he moves around the whole resort, without restrictions, and that he knows it fairly well. Asked, he states that he is aware of the disappearance of the English girl named Madeleine, and that he learned about it on May 4 through the news in the media. He states that he worked at the resort close to 15h30 on the day of the girl's disappearance. Asked, the deponent refers that in the scope of his work and before the day of the girl's disappearance, he has only met the mother, whose name he does not know. This took place on a Tuesday, May 1, in the sequence of a maintenance job that he had to do inside the apartment where the family where lodged, that is, in block G5 letter A. That job was carried out between 10h and 11h, by the deponent and one colleague of his, that he only know as Mario, and consisted in the repairment of the shutters from the parents bedroom. Following that they also taught the mother of the girl how to operate the washing machine. The lady in question was alone in the house. The only rooms in the apartment where he and his colleague were was in the kitchen and in the parents' bedroom. The deponent states that besides that job he does not know if any other was carried out at the apartment since the arrival of the family to the resort until the day of the girl's disappearance. Asked he states that in the days preceding the girl's disappearance no one had any strange conversations with him related to the tourists, their children, the apartment, the facilities or the running of the resort. He also did not hear conversation of that nature to any other people. On the presence of a person or persons that exhibited a strange behaviour the deponent states that he did not see anything unusual. He just refers that, about four months ago, he detected the presence of three gipsies, near a warehouse of the resort, located the "Millenium" restaurant, who were trying to take some firewood that was there. The deponent knows that because that area is a warehouse zone and as such has few people circulating, it is usual for individuals of gipsy ethnicity to wander around there searching for scraps. Several thefts have taken place in that area and the deponent believes that their authorship lies with those individuals of gipsy ethnicity whose identifications are unknown to him. Asked, the deponent states that since the disappearance of the girl, Madeleine, until today he has not heard any comments that could help enlighten the motive of the disappearance, and as such, he has no other information that could contribute to that end. And more he didn't say. Reads the case record, found it in accordance and he will sign it.

Related: Dave Edgar investigation, from "burglaries" to "gipsies", the likely leads currently being followed by DCI Andy Redwood's team.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 31.10.13 16:13

Just to be clear, according to Joana Morais the Portuguese have not started investigating since re-opening the case.  All the leads leaked so far are stuff carried out by the Portuguese as part of the rogatory letters requested by SY.

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Post by marconi on 09.01.14 6:07

I think that the next time that Redwood will state something, it will be that the case is solved.
I can't imagine another possibility.
The Yard arrived already at the Smiths' man, after having shot down the Tanner's man who never existed, and what is left over?
Identification of the Smiths'.

Redwood talked about next weeks and months and it is what irritates me.
How long do we still have to wait?

I am happy that Murat is not part of the crime, imo.

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Post by suep on 14.01.14 16:17

@marconi wrote:I think that the next time that Redwood will state something, it will be that the case is solved.
I can't imagine another possibility.
The Yard arrived already at the Smiths' man, after having shot down the Tanner's man who never existed, and what is left over?
Identification of the Smiths'.

Redwood talked about next weeks and months and it is what irritates me.
How long do we still have to wait?

I am happy that Murat is not part of the crime, imo.

I agree that the discovery by SY of Smithman is crucial, marconi. ESPECIALLY the fact that the existence of his E-fit was deliberately suppressed since 2008. I hope that Redwood is not gullible enough to swallow the McCann's feeble 'distraction' excuse but is as astounded as I am that, if they truly believed Madeleine had been abducted, they chose to ignore a credible line of enquiry which may have led them to find out what happened to their 'findable little girl'. When you add to this the fact they threatened to sue the investigators who they hired themselves (with donations by the public) should they disclose their report then its hard to believe that Redwood isn't busy building the case against them. I'm hoping 'the three burglars' are being sought as witnesses who maybe also saw Smithman/Gerry that night.  fingers crossed 

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Post by Newintown on 14.01.14 18:21

@GRACEFUL1 wrote:English police follows gipsy lead
English police follows gipsy lead
29 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment

Video

broadcast by TVI, October 28, 2013

Transcript

Voice over - It's three men of gipsy ethnicity who are now the target of the English police. They would have been seen roaming around the apartment in Praia da Luz where the McCann family were holidaying, and were named as responsible for burglaries in the area. A report that at the time was made to the Judiciary Police by an Ocean Club employee, wasn't deemed relevant to the investigation but the English detectives think otherwise. They want to get to the three men and to try to fit them in the thesis that Madeleine was abducted following a robbery to the apartment.
The British press speaks about a string of burglaries weeks before the disappearance of the child in May 2007, something that no one has ever heard about until now and is refuted by several sources of the GNR contacted by TVI who worked in that area.
This is what is known of the investigation taking place in England, about the Portuguese one, which was archived in 2008 and reopened last Thursday at the request of the Judiciary Police no details are known even because the process is under secrecy of justice. It is only known results of new elements found during the reanalysis of the process done during the last two and a half years by  PJ team from Porto.

Video

broadcast by Sky News, October 15, 2013



The Ocean Club employee's statement

Luis F. M. Ferro - Maintenance worker - Date of statement May 7, 2007

Comes to the case records and in the quality of a witness. That he is a maintenance worker at the tourist resort "Ocean Club" since March 2006. That in this tourist resort he is in charge of he maintenance of pools and all that relates with the properties. That in the sequence of of his work he moves around the whole resort, without restrictions, and that he knows it fairly well. Asked, he states that he is aware of the disappearance of the English girl named Madeleine, and that he learned about it on May 4 through the news in the media. He states that he worked at the resort close to 15h30 on the day of the girl's disappearance. Asked, the deponent refers that in the scope of his work and before the day of the girl's disappearance, he has only met the mother, whose name he does not know. This took place on a Tuesday, May 1, in the sequence of a maintenance job that he had to do inside the apartment where the family where lodged, that is, in block G5 letter A. That job was carried out between 10h and 11h, by the deponent and one colleague of his, that he only know as Mario, and consisted in the repairment of the shutters from the parents bedroom. Following that they also taught the mother of the girl how to operate the washing machine. The lady in question was alone in the house. The only rooms in the apartment where he and his colleague were was in the kitchen and in the parents' bedroom. The deponent states that besides that job he does not know if any other was carried out at the apartment since the arrival of the family to the resort until the day of the girl's disappearance. Asked he states that in the days preceding the girl's disappearance no one had any strange conversations with him related to the tourists, their children, the apartment, the facilities or the running of the resort. He also did not hear conversation of that nature to any other people. On the presence of a person or persons that exhibited a strange behaviour the deponent states that he did not see anything unusual. He just refers that, about four months ago, he detected the presence of three gipsies, near a warehouse of the resort, located the "Millenium" restaurant, who were trying to take some firewood that was there. The deponent knows that because that area is a warehouse zone and as such has few people circulating, it is usual for individuals of gipsy ethnicity to wander around there searching for scraps. Several thefts have taken place in that area and the deponent believes that their authorship lies with those individuals of gipsy ethnicity whose identifications are unknown to him. Asked, the deponent states that since the disappearance of the girl, Madeleine, until today he has not heard any comments that could help enlighten the motive of the disappearance, and as such, he has no other information that could contribute to that end. And more he didn't say. Reads the case record, found it in accordance and he will sign it.

Related: Dave Edgar investigation, from "burglaries" to "gipsies", the likely leads currently being followed by DCI Andy Redwood's team.

Looking back, it does make you wonder whether the McCanns calling in the maintenance men was another red herring to try and put the blame on other people for Madeleine's "disappearance", if in fact she disappeared before 3rd May.  Why did Gerry mess around with the shutters that he "accidently" broke them, why did Kate McCann need to have a maintenance man to show her how to work the washing machine (not rocket science) when they'd already been at MW for 4 days?  She could have hand washed any clothes in those 4 days and put them on the balcony to dry as a lot of people do when they're in apartments on holiday. They were going home on the Saturday anyway.  I don't suppose the kids would worry whether their clothes hadn't been washed for a few days.  As KM seemed to have had a lot of help at home I doubt whether she would know what a washing machine looked like anyway.

It just so happens I'm in the middle of watching a "Law & Order" USA programme about two roommates who are found bludgeoned to death, the investigation focuses on the handyman.

When you need a patsy, always implicate the handyman.  smilie

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by ultimaThule on 10.03.14 15:35

@PeterMac wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:
Poe wrote:
@ProfMoriarty wrote:

Of course, the recon will never happen. There is no agreed timeline.
Wouldn't that be the whole point of the recon? The PJ saying to the McCanns, "We can't make your timeline fit so you show us what happened and explain the discrepancies"
They know they are 'f**ked' with a re-con because JW WILL put himself exactly where he said he was, outside gate to 5A, and GM's CONSTANT 'lying' about how HE 'crossed the street' (Oprah, bewks, mocku's etc) will be exposed for all to see.

And people will ASK, WHY did he lie about such an important piece of 'evidence'?
And they couldn't do it before, because of the 1 minute and 20 second "Window of Opportunity".

They will have difficulties now because they still only have 4 minutes from the last Tapas person to cross the car park on his way back to the bar
- and NOT seeing people, cars, open windows, broken shutters, whooshing curtains,  -  and Kate's visit.

They still cannot use the unlocked patio door as a point of entry or exit, because it would involve opening the little gate and the safety gate at the top of the stairs,
and then shutting them again on the way out, and in any event Kate would have seen him going up the road.
So they are back to jemmied and smashed shutters, which even Mitchell admits was a downright lie.
Or the front door, which needed a key to enter.

And they are still stuck, actually to an even greater extent, with the sedation of the children.
If Kate was in the apartment within minutes it makes it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE that gas was used, or she as a gas-man would have detected it.
So you are left with injection of three children (Try it some time ! !),  by mouth - which means they would all have to wake up, and then become unconscious within two minutes - NOT POSSIBLE,
or in the other two possible routes, which is unthinkable.

Getting rid of Tannerman was a stroke of GENIUS.

They are stuffed
AR's stellar performance on CW was sufficient to convince me the McCanns were hoist by their own petards and that it was simply a matter of time before they were brought to account but, nevertheless, I remain curious as to why GM found it necessary to lie about crossing the road to talk to JW.   

What is important about where in the road the alleged conversation took place when, presumably, its only purpose is to give credence to GM's account of his movements prior to the alarm being raised?

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 10.03.14 15:36

@ultimaThule wrote:
AR's stellar performance on CW was sufficient to convince me the McCanns were hoist by their own petards and that it was simply a matter of time before they were brought to account but, nevertheless, I remain curious as to why GM found it necessary to lie about crossing the road to talk to JW.   

What is important about where in the road the alleged conversation took place when, presumably, its only purpose is to give credence to GM's account of his movements prior to the alarm being raised?

Because neither he nor Wilkins saw Tanner. Which is impossible, if she walked right past both of them.

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Post by PeterMac on 10.03.14 16:06

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Because neither he nor Wilkins saw Tanner.  Which is impossible, if she walked right past both of them.

Jane Tanner passing Gerry McCann AND Jeremy (Jez) Wilkins

Tanner says she passed them on the apartment side of the street, at the bottom of the stairs.    Wilkins confirms they were on that side of the street.
The pavement by the apartment is a little over 2m wide, the road is 6m, pavement the other side similarly is 2m        (google earth, maps google, personal visit)

A Maclaren buggy is 62 cm long
A man is 60 cm wide
A man is 40 cm deep, but with his arms bent at the elbow and held slightly to the front with his hands on the handles of the buggy, is 60 cm
The “length” of man - buggy - decent social space - man , assuming the two men were exactly facing each other is therefore around 220 cm
The men would not stand right on the kerb, for reasons of safety, but some distance inboard of the kerb, perhaps 30 cm, or more.
Tanner would not pass with her shoulder scraping the wall, but would walk some normal distance outboard of the wall.  Perhaps 30 cm or more.

Taking the width of the pavement 220,
less 30 inboard of kerb
less 60 width of man
less 60 width of woman
less 30 outboard of wall

Jane Tanner must pass within 40 cm (16 inches)  of the men

If the men are standing 40 cm from the kerb, which is more likely,  Tanner would probably  have to turn sideways to pass them without physically touching them.
THIS twisting sideways is in fact what is shown in the mokumentary
It is inconceivable that neither man would see her under these circumstances.

If we then turn to the way in which most men face each other to speak, they adopt a body position of about 90 degrees and speak towards the apex of the triangle thus formed.

This means that Wilson plus buggy now project into the pavement to a depth of  
85 cm  (Pythagorus - 45º iscoseles triangle with hypotenuse of 120)

Taking the width of the pavement 220,
less 30 inboard of kerb
less 85 triangulated depth of man and buggy
less 60 width of woman
less 30 outboard of wall

Jane Tanner must pass within 15 cm (6 inches)  of the men

Conclusion
IT DID NOT HAPPEN in the way any of them desribes

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Post by onehand on 10.03.14 18:38

peter mac,

in stephen carpenter's statement he talked about cars on the side of the road between the tapas bar entrance and gerry's apartment.

he and his wife must left the tapas bar almost direct after jane, but the three jw, jt and gm don't mention any car parked there, when did those cars arrive and is it known who those cars belong to? 


From: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
 

Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there.


another question, a silent deserted street at night, and jane talks about flip flopping shoe's, sounds travel good at night, why would both man did not hear her coming? how silent is that street?

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Post by ultimaThule on 12.03.14 3:51

@PeterMac wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Because neither he nor Wilkins saw Tanner.  Which is impossible, if she walked right past both of them.

Jane Tanner passing Gerry McCann AND Jeremy (Jez) Wilkins

Tanner says she passed them on the apartment side of the street, at the bottom of the stairs.    Wilkins confirms they were on that side of the street.
The pavement by the apartment is a little over 2m wide, the road is 6m, pavement the other side similarly is 2m        (google earth, maps google, personal visit)

A Maclaren buggy is 62 cm long
A man is 60 cm wide
A man is 40 cm deep, but with his arms bent at the elbow and held slightly to the front with his hands on the handles of the buggy, is 60 cm
The “length” of man - buggy - decent social space - man , assuming the two men were exactly facing each other is therefore around 220 cm
The men would not stand right on the kerb, for reasons of safety, but some distance inboard of the kerb, perhaps 30 cm, or more.
Tanner would not pass with her shoulder scraping the wall, but would walk some normal distance outboard of the wall.  Perhaps 30 cm or more.

Taking the width of the pavement 220,
less 30 inboard of kerb
less 60 width of man
less 60 width of woman
less 30 outboard of wall

Jane Tanner must pass within 40 cm (16 inches)  of the men

If the men are standing 40 cm from the kerb, which is more likely,  Tanner would probably  have to turn sideways to pass them without physically touching them.
THIS twisting sideways is in fact what is shown in the mokumentary
It is inconceivable that neither man would see her under these circumstances.

If we then turn to the way in which most men face each other to speak, they adopt a body position of about 90 degrees and speak towards the apex of the triangle thus formed.

This means that Wilson plus buggy now project into the pavement to a depth of  
85 cm  (Pythagorus - 45º iscoseles triangle with hypotenuse of 120)

Taking the width of the pavement 220,
less 30 inboard of kerb
less 85 triangulated depth of man and buggy
less 60 width of woman
less 30 outboard of wall

Jane Tanner must pass within 15 cm (6 inches)  of the men

Conclusion
IT DID NOT HAPPEN in the way any of them desribes
I'm firmly of the opinion that nothing happened in the way the McCanns or the Tapas 7 decribe and, to make that clear, below is one of my posts from yesterday on the 'Tanner Sighting - Again' thread:

"On examining the independent witness statements we can place Gerry & Kate at the table shortly after 8pm and we can place Dianne Webster at the empty table shortly after 9.30pm.

Other than DW having been seen sitting alone at the table shortly after 9.30pm and Jeremy Wilkins' account of meeting Gerry outside the rear entrance to 5A at what Gerry insists was c9.15pm but which JW initially claimed was closer to 8.45pm, there is no independent account for any of the group's movements until after 10pm.  

Prior to 9.30pm the group's table was served 9 x 3 course meals with no comment being made by any of the waiting or kitchen staff to the effect that it was necessary to reheat or re-cook any of the courses, or that any were left unfinished.  In other words, as far as the Tapas Bar staff were concerned it would seem there was nothing remarkable about the evening's service until they became aware of reports of a missing child and/or commotion outside.   

It would therefore appear to be the case that, with 2 exceptions (above), there are no independent witnesses who can corroborate the group's account(s) of their movements as shown on the two timelines they found it necessary to compile later that evening."

That said, in the CW version, we see Gerry heading towards the camera as he diagonally crosses a, (as opposed to 'the') road to talk to JW whereupon the camera goes back to the Tapas and we see Jane Tanner get up from the table, after which we see her schlepping up the road as Crecheman, carrying his daughter, crosses the road from left to right a few yards ahead of her. 

I've also seen a mocumentary where, Gerry having crossed the road, he and JW are seen in conversation some yards down from the entrance to the Tapas from which JT emerges and, having spotted them, begins walk up the road and I seem to recall seeing yet another 'de'construction where Tanner walks past the oblivious pair as they chat by the gate at the rear entrance to 5A, which would seem to be more or less true her original account.

My question as to why did the McChicken cross the road can be answered by Gerry's retrospective need to provide room, as it were, for JT to walk past unobserved by both men, but I'm wondering whether there may be another reason for his insistence that the conversation took place on the other side of the road to that stated by both JW and JT. 

The wee one's mantra being 'confusion is good' leads me to speculate who he may have been trying to confuse, and why?  Was he seeking to make JT or JW out to be an unreliable witness or both of them, for that matter.  Or was he attempting to establish that had JW claimed to have noticed something out of place at the rear of 5A such as the child gate or patio door being open, he couldn't have done so from a position across the road from the apartment block?

Due to onehand's observation*, I'm also wondering why, in the various filmed versions I've seen of this part of the fairytale, no cars have been shown on the road from outside of the Tapas entrance up to the corner at which turning left leads to the main entrance to the block and the front entrance door to 5A.

*Cheers @onehand - my guess would be the parked cars belonged to Tapas staff but, as with all things McCann, this can't be assumed without independent corroboration.

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by onehand on 12.03.14 7:52

I could only find 2 statements, from the chef and a executive chef who stated their cars where out and in that street, the first somewere between 21.00 and 22.00  hours, the second from around 21.10 to 21.40 hours that night. The last one left around 21.40 trough the restaurant and stated about a missing child, at that same time.
 
It looks all the other personnel was on duty, so unlikely that they would get their cars parked in that street between jt,jw and gm passing en the passing of the carpenters.
Most worked from the late afternoon until midnight. 
 
The executive chef gives a statement of one other car that was on that street when he arrived and that was gone when he left.
 
But it is strange that there are no parked cars out there in any reconstruction. 
Nor in any statement from the tapas or jw. There must have been at least one. 
 
Jt is out there sometime around 21.15, on the sticker book timeline 21.20. 
for the cars to got out of the way, there had to be other people around. A lot of traffic for a deserted street outside the season. So the cars had to come in after jt, gm and jw and left before the carpenters came out of the tapas restaurant.
 
If the executive chef was a few minutes earlier than stated, he would have walked in on mo coming back from his check of 3 apartments and visit to rob. Was he on time, he would have seen gm between the table and the gate of apt.5, was he a bit later he would have met jw and gm talking near the street or even met jt flip flopping.
 
Plus a driver of a unknown car that left after the executive chef. 
 
Then on the other side also crecheman and mccann’s supposed tannerman would pass. That would be a hole lot of near misses. 
 
Under dutch law, i could not use a witness statement as evidence, i don’t know how this is in brittisch or portugese law, for us it could bring you to evidence, but those statements are so far apart, almost lacking any subtle detail, so you can’t make anything from it. No timeline, no facts, almost non hard evidence.

All is out to what is coming from outsiders, and that is a complete other story and no, i don’t believe anything happened as stated by the tapas 9. their story lacks to much of just stupid details, like cars in a street, little memories of what they were thinking at the time, you only see them getting away from the case where possible. It simply do not ad up to anything at all.

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