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Post by whmon on 06.08.13 12:32

http://news.sky.com/story/1124986/python-attack-snake-kills-two-sleeping-

The mother of the 2 little boys is a close friend of the pet shop owner and frequently allowed them to stay with the pet shop owner and his child. A snake slithered out of its enclosure in the shop below the flat, made its way upstairs, strangled the 2 little boys in their bed, made a hole in the ceiling and slithered off again. The pet shop owner was on the news today talking in a very calm voice and saying he doesn't know 'what to think'. Anyone else smell a rat?

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Post by Guest on 06.08.13 12:38

Sadly yes, whmon.

It's well nigh impossible (thanks to all manner of recent cases) not to be doubtful when there are strange deaths or disappearances.

Those poor children.

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Post by annemab on 06.08.13 12:58

On the BBC news article it says this:

David Rogrigue, director of Montreal's Ecomuseum Zoo, told Agence France-Presse news agency that this attack was "difficult to believe... very, very extraordinary, and very improbable".

Sorry, I don't post very often so no idea how to quote things... I definitely smell a rat though. Poor boys.

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Post by Ayniia on 06.08.13 13:03

No way this happened the way they described, need to wait for autopsy report but it's surely not snake fault. I'm really curious about what the outcome of this news will be.

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Post by marconi on 06.08.13 13:52

Last night I could not fall asleep, shocked I was with this news. But I was wondering how could a snake go from a person to the other, killing them and escaping.
No Jane Tanner around to state she had seen a running snake, leaving the apartment.
Pythons kill when they are hungry and they kill chickens, little pigs, etc, even anacondas do that.

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Post by Guest on 06.08.13 14:15

Python Attack: 'Snake Kills Two Sleeping Boys'

Police in eastern Canada have launched a criminal investigation after a python apparently escaped from a pet shop and killed two children by asphyxiating them in their sleep.
The two boys - named locally as Noah Barthe, five, and his brother Connor, seven - were at a sleepover at their best friend's flat in the town of Campbellton when it is believed they were attacked by the snake.
It is understood the animal had escaped from the Reptile Ocean pet shop, which specialises in exotic pets and is run by family friend Jean-Claude Savoie, located on the ground floor of the building.
The boys were sleeping in the living room of the residence on Pleasant Street when they were reportedly attacked by the snake early on Monday morning. Police were called to the scene at 6.30am local time.
Corporal Alain Tremblay from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) told Canadian news station CBC News that officers were in the first stage of a criminal investigation.
He said: "I can tell you it's a criminal investigation right now to determine if any criminal act is responsible for the death of the two boys."
Cpl Tremblay confirmed that the snake involved is an African rock python, as long as 4.5 metres and weighing about 45kg. The animals are non-venomous and would usually kill by constricting victims

http://news.sky.com/story/1124986/python-attack-snake-kills-two-sleeping-boys

If this is true then it is a deeply and upsetting story. If not, then let us not forget two little boys are dead

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Post by russiandoll on 06.08.13 15:05

A post mortem will show the cause of death and whether there was any constriction by something of this weight either around the chest or neck.
  All very bizarre and I do not get the hole in the ceiling thing at all......

  very bizarre if true and vary sad whatever has happened.

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Post by Julchen on 06.08.13 17:31

My thoughts go around the question:
Do snakes (no matter how big) behave like humans?
Why do snakes kill?
For food or pleasure or cover up or to get rid of another being?
Definitely for food.
If so, why should the python kill both boys rather than killing one "prey" and start to swallow it (pictures have been taken of huge pythons trying to swallow baby gazelles et al.).
When the python attacked (if it did) the first boy, why didn't he wake up and start screaming? The other one would have woken up, surely.
Is a 16ft python capable of making its way up from a shop to the appartment via the air con/extractor?
If it was possible, would the python fit through the tube/pipe/opening? A 16ft python is not only long, it's got quite a diameter, as well.
In other words: I find this a very,vey,very....strange story. And ,say, hard to digest.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.08.13 17:44

I don't believe a word of it. If it wasn't so sad there are two little boys dead, it'd read like a badly written farce. This story was made up to cover the real crime, and is such a stupid story the police probably don't believe it and are waiting to arrest the perp.

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Post by PeterMac on 06.08.13 18:09

Ludicrous.
His interview was out of the text book we have been preparing on "how to give a news conference immediately after a tragedy - if you want to be caught."

The idea of a python "strangling" a child and then just for fun "strangling" the other one is prepostrous.
Sadly I can imagine the scenario here.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.08.13 18:43

The pet shop owner has a child who was safe from the snake all along and even on the night of tragedy was not harmed by the snake.
Yet we are expected to believe the snake constricted not one but two siblings who were sleeping over.

Something just does not gel. Bizzare.

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Post by Guest on 06.08.13 20:45

According to another forum, a report is now saying that the snake wrapped itself round the children and crushed them. That certainly sounds more believable.

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Post by jozi on 06.08.13 20:46

A very strange story to kill 2 children and leave, as they only kill for food. One child would be sufficient depending on the size of the snake but it would not kill both children at the same time and leave them, as they eat fresh food and would not kill to save/ store food ? They kill to eat ? After they eat they are very docile and will sleep finding a nice dark place .

I have only just picked up on this story and yes I find it strange,something is dodgy here.My son keeps snakes but his eats mice and rats, he once put 2 mice into the cage for the snake as he was unsure how big the mice had to be , it caught one killed and ate it, the other was living and sleeping with the snake for weeks even snuggling up with the snake,until it got hungry again, then it was gone.

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Post by PeterMac on 06.08.13 22:41

Exactly so.
A constrictor constricts to eat, and for no other purpose.
If attacked it will bite, even though it is not venomous it will defend itself in that way.

Constrictors do not go around "strangling children" and then move on.

I suspect the local police know it is McDrivel, and are just running it until the boyfriend can go on TV again to give his wonderful stupid story . . . without tears, without any emotion, or perhaps he will the produce the statutory tissue at the appointed time.

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Post by russiandoll on 06.08.13 23:10

The way this has been reported in the media has not helped make any sense of this story. The owner of the shop is a friend of the boys' mother and spoke about the snake falling through a hole in the ceiling. Even if a snake this size managed to get through ventilation pipes, how did it escape from where it must have been securely housed?

 I am no expert, but I always thought these constrictors constricted the trunk area. If this is the case then there will be massive chest injuries and rib fractures I would think.
 Strangulation? Surely if this is not press misreporting this has been manual by a human hand and not by a snake. Again a pathologist will easily conclude or rule out a human agent,

 On the basis of what I have read and heard so far, I do not buy the story that has been told.
 If it turns out to be true, the owner of the store is responsible for not keeping a 45kilo snake securely housed where it could do no harm. He was responsible for the welfare of those youngsters.

updated on Sky web site that the snake was not kept in the store but in the residential part of the building. It has been destroyed by a vet.
 These creatures should not be kept in cramped conditions in  glass cases, they belong in the wild where they must cover  a lot of ground during a day.

They will I am sure establish what happened quite quickly.

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Post by lj on 07.08.13 0:34

That snakes can make amazing escapes is well known. Look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3enN8ito1Yg

But killing 2 boys? Maybe they were cuddled up together?

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Post by marconi on 07.08.13 2:12

This world is full of idiots.   How can a person keep a snake at home, considering it as being a pet?
Sky News is telling what happened.

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Post by russiandoll on 07.08.13 8:13

There has been no report of a post mortem result yet. All the police have to go on are the scene of the crime, the 2 bodies and the report made by the person who reported finding the boys.. It will be obvious to the person responsible for the autopsies that the injuries are consistent on both bodies and consistent with a snake not a human causing those injuries.
 A strong man would not be able to apply the same pressure to the trunk of a human body that a constricting snake weighing 45 kilos would.
 Strangulation as the cause of death? As reported by the media? If that is the case I doubt that any snake has done that and again the damage to the neck would have to be consistent with the amount of pressure applied, much more than by manual strangulation.
The world sadly is full of idiots and only an idiot would say that a snake had killed a child if that were not the case and it would become clear that a human had done the deed.
This tale is so bizarre though that it might well be true.

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Post by PeterMac on 07.08.13 8:17

Canada Python Attack: Uncle's Tribute To Boys
The uncle of two boys killed by a python says they "enjoyed life to the maximum" and spent their last day playing with friends.11:36pm UK, Tuesday 06 August 2013
The uncle of two boys believed to have been killed by a python said they had a "super" last day as Canadian police revealed the snake was being kept in a second-floor flat, not the pet shop below.
A criminal investigation is under way after a 45kg African rock python escaped from its cage, went through a ventilation shaft and fell into the room where Noah Barthe, four, and his brother Connor, six, were sleeping.
In an emotional statement, their uncle David Rose said: "They were two typical children and enjoyed life to the maximum."
They had spent their last day playing with their friends, he said.
It was initially reported that the snake was being kept by family friend and owner Jean-Claude Savoie on the ground floor of the Reptile Ocean pet shop in the town of Campbellton, New Brunswick.
But police said it was kept in a second-floor flat in a specially built enclosure which stretched to the ceiling.
Royal Canadian Mounted Police spokesman Sergeant Alain Tremblay said: "The snake was confined in an enclosed area, a glass cage of pretty large size given the size of the snake and the way the investigators believe the snake escaped was through the ceiling.
"Just above the cage where the snake was being kept, the snake apparently slithered through a hole or vent in the ceiling allowing it to escape into the ventilation shaft.
"Once the snake was at the height of the living room, apparently a pipe broke and the snake fell into the living room where the children were sleeping."
The children were at a sleepover at their best friend’s flat when they were apparently attacked by the snake early on Monday morning.
At a news conference, Mr Rose said Connor was due to celebrate his birthday this month.
"Connor would have entered the second grade this year and Noah was extremely excited to join his big brother by joining kindergarten and both would have been in the same Lord Beaverbrook School," he said.
"Their last day was spent playing with their friends in the backyard - they had a little pool, had a barbecue and later in the afternoon Jean-Claude Savoie took all the children shopping.
"Each had their own little carts, they filled their carts with treats and after the shopping trip the two families Jean-Claude’s family went to Jean-Claude’s family’s farm - there they played with llamas and goats and horses.
"They played with dogs and cats in the hayloft and went for a ride in the farm tractor with Jean-Claude who even let them steer their tractors so it was a super day.
"And after a long day late into night they got home, home for the sleepover at Jean-Claude’s house and the two families stayed together until midnight and that’s the type of the life they had and that’s what we are going to try and remember."
The python, which Mr Savoie has had for at least 10 years, had been kept alone in its enclosure and was not handled by anyone else, he added.
Police said the snake has been killed by a veterinarian.

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Post by aquila on 07.08.13 8:39

Two children have died - God rest their souls. The circumstances of this dreadful tragedy aren't absolutely clear and there is a police investigation.

I know I'm probably going to get lamped for this comment but why was the snake killed? was it necessary to kill the snake for forensic purposes? can't a snake be sedated for that purpose? what did the snake do wrong apart from behaving naturally? this isn't a rabid, savage animal with a compulsion/lust for attacking humans. It's a snake who will eat anything if it's hungry enough.

I am no lover of snakes - I can't stand them in fact and don't understand why people keep them as pets but I don't know why the snake had to die too.

God bless these two children. Another two children gone from this world. All that is left for them and everyone else is to find justice for them which I am certain the Canadian police will achieve.

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Post by russiandoll on 07.08.13 8:56

I have a long- time aversion to them also Aquila but am sad that an animal has died due to human stupidity. I believe whoever started the fad of keeping huge exotic pets in small places like flats and houses was a class A nutcase.
Same as when dogs are destroyed after attacking humans, all due to human behaviour imo on the part of irresponsible breeders and owners.

 From yesterday's Telegraph   [ btw I have only heard or read a couple of references to crushing, everywhere else it is strangulation being spoken about]



Mr Savoie is said to be the “best friend” of the boys' mother, Mandy Trecartin, who lives nearby. He frequently hosted them at his flat with his own child, whose identity was not made public yesterday.

He said he checked on the boys at 6.30am. “I thought they were sleeping until I saw the hole in the ceiling,” he told the Global News. “I turned the lights on and I saw this horrific scene.”

He said it appeared the snake, which he has owned for ten years, escaped from the shop and climbed to the top of the flat through the ventilation system, before somehow dropping through the ceiling. “I don't understand how it did it,” he said. Mr Savoie said the python was not typically handled.

Shortly after discovering the boys' bodies, he added, he saw the snake coiled in a hole nearby. After putting it in a cage he turned it over to the Mounted Police, who are now examining the creature.

While declining to elaborate further before the autopsies, Constable Julie Rogers-Marsh said that a preliminary investigation by police had led officers to believe that Mr Savoie's theory was correct. “It's believed the two boys were strangled by the snake,” she said.

Reptile experts stressed yesterday that such attacks were extremely rare and that despite their reputation as vicious predators, such pythons would not ordinarily go on “killing sprees” against people.

The last known killing by an African rock python was in 2002, when one killed and swallowed a 10-year-old boy in Durban, South Africa. Some experts speculated that the snake in Canada might have picked up a scent of food near the boys.

Staff at the shop were mystified by the snake's apparent escape. “Deepest sympathies goes out to the family of the children,” they said in an online posting. “A terrible accident with no meaning "

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Post by PeterMac on 07.08.13 8:59

@aquila wrote:Two children have died - God rest their souls. The circumstances of this dreadful tragedy aren't absolutely clear and there is a police investigation.
I know I'm probably going to get lamped for this comment but why was the snake killed? was it necessary to kill the snake for forensic purposes? can't a snake be sedated for that purpose? what did the snake do wrong apart from behaving naturally? this isn't a rabid, savage animal with a compulsion/lust for attacking humans. It's a snake who will eat anything if it's hungry enough.
I am no lover of snakes - I can't stand them in fact and don't understand why people keep them as pets but I don't know why the snake had to die too.
God bless these two children. Another two children gone from this world. All that is left for them and everyone else is to find justice for them which I am certain the Canadian police will achieve.

Agreed. There is absolutely no reason to kill the snake, unless it was to reinforce the idea that it was responsible for what happened, and to divert attention from the details !

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Post by Guest on 07.08.13 9:08

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:Two children have died - God rest their souls. The circumstances of this dreadful tragedy aren't absolutely clear and there is a police investigation.
I know I'm probably going to get lamped for this comment but why was the snake killed? was it necessary to kill the snake for forensic purposes? can't a snake be sedated for that purpose? what did the snake do wrong apart from behaving naturally? this isn't a rabid, savage animal with a compulsion/lust for attacking humans. It's a snake who will eat anything if it's hungry enough.
I am no lover of snakes - I can't stand them in fact and don't understand why people keep them as pets but I don't know why the snake had to die too.
God bless these two children. Another two children gone from this world. All that is left for them and everyone else is to find justice for them which I am certain the Canadian police will achieve.

Agreed.  There is absolutely no reason to kill the snake, unless it was to reinforce the idea that it was responsible for what happened, and to divert attention from the details !

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Post by Praiaaa on 07.08.13 9:11

parapono wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:Two children have died - God rest their souls. The circumstances of this dreadful tragedy aren't absolutely clear and there is a police investigation.
I know I'm probably going to get lamped for this comment but why was the snake killed? was it necessary to kill the snake for forensic purposes? can't a snake be sedated for that purpose? what did the snake do wrong apart from behaving naturally? this isn't a rabid, savage animal with a compulsion/lust for attacking humans. It's a snake who will eat anything if it's hungry enough.
I am no lover of snakes - I can't stand them in fact and don't understand why people keep them as pets but I don't know why the snake had to die too.
God bless these two children. Another two children gone from this world. All that is left for them and everyone else is to find justice for them which I am certain the Canadian police will achieve.

Agreed.  There is absolutely no reason to kill the snake, unless it was to reinforce the idea that it was responsible for what happened, and to divert attention from the details !

 Agreed.

I agree too

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Post by Guest on 07.08.13 9:20

It doesn't appear to be a case involving "national security" as we were told that another one nearer to the U K did so there is hope that the truth will come out.

I find it odd that the son of the snake's owner was not in the same room as the two boys - isn't that the idea of a sleepover? No mention either of the wife or partner of the owner.

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