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Post by MrsC on 03.06.14 8:48

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b046584r/panorama-savile-the-power-to-abuse

Last night's Panorama about Jimmy Savile.

What a completely vile specimen of a human being he was. An evil soul staring us all in the face with a smile.

Just looking at him is enough to make my skin crawl. I can't begin to imagine how his victims must feel every time they catch sight of him - it must be a never ending nightmare.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.06.14 10:33

Sky and other news media on now = Thursday 1030
Unutterably sickening.

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Post by Guest on 26.06.14 10:37

Jimmy Savile NHS victims aged five to 75


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28034427

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Post by sami on 26.06.14 10:50

@MrsC wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b046584r/panorama-savile-the-power-to-abuse

Last night's Panorama about Jimmy Savile.

What a completely vile specimen of a human being he was. An evil soul staring us all in the face with a smile.

Just looking at him is enough to make my skin crawl. I can't begin to imagine how his victims must feel every time they catch sight of him - it must be a never ending nightmare.


Those who enabled him are just as bad, IMO.  They may not been physically involved in this despicable excuse for a human beings acts, but those who turned a blind eye are worse in some respects.  They stood by and did nothing.  Cowards the whole lot of them.

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Post by aquila on 26.06.14 10:51

I'm in tears watching this. Tears of anger and tears of pain for those who were abused.

I'm listening to business-speke and watching the pointing of fingers at Savile. No-one taking responsibility for anything. It's look at him and not at us. Whatever you do don't look at those in power who colluded.

I'm listening to:

More robust controls
whistleblowing improvement
lessons for (take your pick)
recommendations
how to manage an organisation
current policies and procedures
regularly tested through external....


NO-ONE is taking responsibility.

I feel sick to my stomach.

ETA: Here's the learning curve that's being spouted today...it's all you need to learn. Savile is being portrayed as a loan paedophile and masked a range of dreadful acts. No-one but no-one in the hospital environments, the police or the government could ever be involved in paedophilia. That's the message.

It's Savile's fault and it's only Savile's fault.

It's easy to throw dirt on a dead man.

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Post by aquila on 26.06.14 11:13

Here's the new slogan folks.

'Speak up and speak out'.

I couldn't believe I'd heard it but I did unfortunately.

I worked for a PR company who employed the services of bullshitting, media controlling, crisis management crap like this.

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Post by Miraflores on 26.06.14 11:18

@aquila wrote:Here's the new slogan folks.

'Speak up and speak out'.

I couldn't believe I'd heard it but I did unfortunately.

I worked for a PR company who employed the services of bullshitting, media controlling, crisis management crap like this.
 'Speak up and speak out' is an absolute joke. I had a friend who worked at Leeds, and those who spoke up were told to shut up because Savile gave the hospital money which would have been lost if they took any action. It's the management who said 'shut up' whose heads should be rolling now.

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Post by aquila on 26.06.14 11:37

@Miraflores wrote:
@aquila wrote:Here's the new slogan folks.

'Speak up and speak out'.

I couldn't believe I'd heard it but I did unfortunately.

I worked for a PR company who employed the services of bullshitting, media controlling, crisis management crap like this.
 'Speak up and speak out' is an absolute joke. I had a friend who worked at Leeds, and those who spoke up were told to shut up because Savile gave the hospital money which would have been lost if they took any action. It's the management who said 'shut up' whose heads should be rolling now.
If you listen to today's crap they (the management) still can't let go of celebrities who bring in funds....they are still speaking of CRB checks etc...ye God's are they telling us that every celeb who supports their hospital(s) is CRB checked? How good's a CRB check anyway?

So come on all celebs who offer their support (by getting donations from the public) come on and tell us right now that you and your team have ever been CRB checked before you've set foot into a hospital.

It's all obfuscation.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.06.14 12:11

Can anyone remember what Ester Rantzen said ?
Do we have a quote?

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Post by sallypelt on 26.06.14 13:14

Rantzen has admitted that she heard the rumours at the time, referring to it as 'green room gossip', the implication being that it was classier to ignore it.

So, there you have it. If you hear that a child or children are being sexually abused, just dismiss it, as "it's classier to ignore it".

I have said it on many occasions, and I'll keep repeating it; the establishment of this country is filthy to the core.

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Post by sallypelt on 26.06.14 19:13

"Leicestershire Police has launched an investigation after one victim of Savile, who was abused as a young boy at a children's convalescent home in Woodhouse Eaves, told an enquiry team the entertainer was involved in the death of another child.
However, no reference to a child's death could be found in the records of the home, Roecliffe Manor, which closed in 1969".

I'm sure Leicestershire Police will "do a good job"  titter 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28034427

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Leicestershire Police are investigating allegations Jimmy Savile was involved in the death of a child at a care home in Woodhouse Eaves in the 1960s.
The allegation emerged in a report detailing the levels of abuse the former Top of the Pops presenter committed at hospitals across the country.
In the report, an informant who claims to have been abused by a person called "Jimmy" at Roecliffe Manor Children's Convalescent Home in Woodhouse says he witnessed a girl being "dragged" across the garden by two men, one of whom he believes was Savile.
While interviewed as part of Operation Yewtree the informant said the girl "appeared to be in a stupor".
The next day the informant was told by the care home's Matron that the girl had died. The investigators passed on the "serious allegation" to the police, but added they found "no reference to a death of a child at Roecliffe Manor in any records reviewed".
A Leicestershire Police spokesperson said: "Leicestershire Police has received the report on Roecliffe Manor, and started an investigation to determine if abuse took place and if so to what extent.
"That investigation is ongoing."
The report states that while there is evidence that abuse did occur during the 1950s and 60s at the care home, there is not enough to say Savile was involved.
A University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust spokesperson said: "It has not been possible to corroborate evidence to conclude that Jimmy Savile was responsible for carrying out any sexual abuse on children at Roecliffe Manor, or that he ever visited Roecliffe Manor."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-probe-claim-jimmy-savile-involved-death-child-120637973.html

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Post by plebgate on 26.06.14 22:06

@sallypelt wrote:Rantzen has admitted that she heard the rumours at the time, referring to it as 'green room gossip', the implication being that it was classier to ignore it.

So, there you have it. If you hear that a child or children are being sexually abused, just dismiss it, as "it's classier to ignore it".

I have said it on many occasions, and I'll keep repeating it; the establishment of this country is filthy to the core.
What a strange thing to say - classier to ignore it.  Very strange to me, don't understand it really.

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Post by heinzbeanz on 26.06.14 22:22

@sami wrote:
@MrsC wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b046584r/panorama-savile-the-power-to-abuse

Last night's Panorama about Jimmy Savile.

What a completely vile specimen of a human being he was. An evil soul staring us all in the face with a smile.

Just looking at him is enough to make my skin crawl. I can't begin to imagine how his victims must feel every time they catch sight of him - it must be a never ending nightmare.
This

Those who enabled him are just as bad, IMO.  They may not been physically involved in this despicable excuse for a human beings acts, but those who turned a blind eye are worse in some respects.  They stood by and did nothing.  Cowards the whole lot of them.
I couldn't agree more. 

I can never and will never understand how turning a blind eye to the abuse of children is acceptable.  

How can these people live with themselves?  
Dismissing these claims as 'silly'. It is just unspeakably vile and a dark, dark reflection of what people are prepared to do to save their own skins.

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Post by plebgate on 26.06.14 22:30

Some of the very same people who had heard these rumours about him were more than happy to have their photos taken at his side, smiling away at social gatherings.

Sickening, it really is.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.06.14 22:31

@heinzbeanz wrote:I can never and will never understand how turning a blind eye to the abuse of children is acceptable.  
How can these people live with themselves?  
Dismissing these claims as 'silly'. It is just unspeakably vile and a dark, dark reflection of what people are prepared to do to save their own skins.

If you have the courage to look at Twitter you will find the Mccanns supporters also support the Cipriano pair, who murdered, chopped up and disposed of the body of her daughter.
She then falsely accused police officers of having beaten her, and when this was proved to be false - she was beaten up by fellow prisoners - not without cause - she was sentenced to a further 9 months - Consecutive - that is to run on top of the sentence for murder.

The McCann paid shills and acolytes actually support all this and claim the entire thing is a set up, that the girl has gone missing - please give generously - and that Amaral did it.

With friends like that . . .

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Post by petunia on 27.06.14 0:19

IMO this report today is a complete whitewash,blame the porters the nursing staff etc etc but don't blame the management..Who authorised the offices for him to use? who authorised the set of key's he was allowed? I doubt it was the porters or the nurses, so who did? and we must remember this was happening some 40 odd years ago, with regards to savile he didn't start abusing until he was 36 "so we are told" so "if that's true"what made him turn from a "good Yorkshire lad" into the worst sex predator this country has ever seen did he start off innocent? who introduced him into this sick cult? so much so that he could hold to ransom the entire British government and establishment to ransom it seems.IMO  This evil man Jimmy Savile has been made a scapegoat into today's report to cover up the evil in our government.

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Post by truthfultiger on 27.06.14 22:29

I don't know if anyone heard radio 4 this morning but someone (I don't know if it was an MP or journalist as I only caught half of the story) asked Jeremy hunt whether he thought that people had been reluctant to come forward about saville because they knew that he enjoyed protection of high up politicians. Not at all excusing those celebrities that didn't speak up I'm just saying its interesting that someone should be asking this question. It was of course dismissed and hunt said that no it was more likely just to do with his celebrity status, but perhaps something bigger its about to come out, particularly fifth the other revelation today.

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Post by guest. on 27.06.14 23:31

https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=Rjy8oLVOvi4


John Lydon "I'd like to kill Jimmy Savile"


John Lydon did this interview in 1978 but the BBC decided not to broadcast it

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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 23:49

Ha! And all the nice middle class, tunnel-visioned sheeple thought the Sex Pistols were the vulgar untouchables...

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Post by guest. on 28.06.14 0:01

Ironic isn't it

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Post by Guest on 28.06.14 8:43

It would be interesting to hear Johnny's views on certain other controversial issues.......

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Post by BlueBag on 28.06.14 8:55

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It would be interesting to hear Johnny's views on certain other controversial issues.......

Johnny was interviewed recently by the BBC "Hard Talk" program and informed us of his ambition to watch all the porn on the internet.

He's also a big fan of the Royal Family now. I'm not kidding and he wasn't being ironic.

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Post by ChippyM on 28.06.14 15:15

@petunia wrote:IMO this report today is a complete whitewash,blame the porters the nursing staff etc etc but don't blame the management..Who authorised the offices for him to use? who authorised the set of key's he was allowed? I doubt it was the porters or the nurses, so who did? and we must remember this was happening some 40 odd years ago, with regards to savile he didn't start abusing until he was 36 "so we are told" so "if that's true"what made him turn from a "good Yorkshire lad" into the worst sex predator this country has ever seen did he start off innocent? who introduced him into this sick cult? so much so that he could hold to ransom the entire British government and establishment to ransom it seems.IMO  This evil man Jimmy Savile has been made a scapegoat into today's report to cover up the evil in our government.

Yes I totally agree that he is some kind of scapegoat. With his eccentric dress and manner he is an ideal 'bogeyman' type character for people to focus on and re-inforce the stereotype that sex abusers are weird looking people you could spot a mile off.

 I don't believe he started abusing at 36 either, IMO he probably had psychopathic tendencies from a young age and I think these were useful to some people. He said he knew Lord Mountbatten and that's how he got to know the Royals, he had a house in Scotland near where Special operations executive agents were trained and was friends with a woman involved in training Special operations executive agents in WW2. Strangely enough Lord Mountbatten was in charge of SOE, they basically trained spies.

SOE agents were trained in hand to hand combat and killing, trekking large distances (we all know about J Savile's marathons and running), disguising themselves (we all know Savile's love of dressing up and wigs!), sabotage, blowing things up (Saville suffered a spinal injury from an explosion apparently in a mine in WW2) etc. SOE looked for people with a certain psychological profile (high IQ, psycopathy etc, and criminals,  Savile had admitted being involved with the black market when a teen. Savile was for some reason on a cycling holiday in France when WW2 ended.

 Personally I think he was probably a SOE agent in ww2 and what he did is still classified, all the links to 
Scotland and Mountbatten are there.  Prince Charles sent Vile a gift for his birthday with a card inscribed 'no-one will ever know what you did for this country', it was auctioned off a few years ago. So my theory is that he was some kind of agent and had protection because of this, maybe he still had protection. How else would the Royal family who vet all employees intimately, BBC (who had an internal branch of Mi5 vetting employees) and Thatcher's security miss what he was? I think they knew what he was.

All this fits with the theory certain conspiracy writers have had for years in which the security services control people in government by setting them up with whatever perversion they fancy, the ultimate blackmail technique.
 If this was true they would need a sick individual who had knowledge of these kind of things to 'fix' these things up, I think Sir Jimmy was a 'fixer' and that's why he was left alone.
    Now he's dead certain things have come out but we are not supposed to question who he worked with or who for.

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