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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.05.13 22:58

Detectives wait to question injured graduate, 23, over death of her mother in Premier Inn hotel mystery


  • Margaret and Nicola McDonough found by horrified guests at Premier Inn
  • Rushed to Inverclyde Royal hospital but Margaret, 52, could not be saved
  • Nicola, 23, in critical condition after being found slumped in hotel
    hallway

  • Detectives are keeping a vigil at her bedside waiting for information
  • Police treating death as 'unexplained' but not looking for third party
  • Focus is on pair's movements before they were found at 7am yesterday
  • Nicola's father Thomas is keeping a vigil at his daughter’s bedside
By Steve Robson, Fiona Mcwhirter and Kirsten Johnson


PUBLISHED:20:17, 10 May 2013| UPDATED:12:08, 12 May 2013

Detectives were tonight still waiting to question a critically-ill woman over the death of her mother in a mysterious hotel-room tragedy.

Margaret McDonough, 52, died in hospital after being found with serious wounds in a room at a Premier Inn early on Friday morning.

Her daughter Nicola, 23, was found lying in the corridor outside the room also severely injured.

[PIC: Mother and daughter: Nicola McDonough, 23, is fighting for her life, left, while Margaret, right, suffered fatal injuries ]

She remained in a critical condition in hospital this evening, too ill to help police unravel what had caused her mother’s death.

As the women’s devastated family gathered at Miss McDonough’s bedside, police issued an urgent appeal for information about how the mother and daughter spent the final few hours before the incident.

Officers are keen to discover why the pair, from Paisley, had booked into a hotel just a few miles from their own home.

They also want to know where the pair went in the nine hours between checking into the Greenock hotel at around 4pm on Thursday and returning to their room at around 1am.

Police have said that no-one had yet been arrested or charged in connection with the incident, and they also refused to confirm whether or not they were looking for anyone as a possible suspect in the case.

Guests raised the alarm after finding Nicola, who graduated from university with a degree in social work last month, slumped unconscious in a corridor.

PIC: Mystery: Detectives are waiting at the bedside of Nicola, left, to see if she can shed light on what happened to her and mother Margaret, right

They managed to stabilise her daughter, but her life was still in the balance last night.

Detectives are unable to say whether or not the two women had been the victims of an attack and are treating the incident as 'unexplained'.

They are not looking for any third party currently, but are focusing on the pair's movements before they were found.

Miss McDonough remains in a critical condition and detectives are waiting at her bedside to interview her.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MARGARET AND NICOLA? TIMELINE OF EVENTS

Thursday 9am - Several sightings of Nicola and Margaret in the Paisley area where they live

10am - Last sighting of pair in red Suzuki Swift registration SL56 CB

3.50pm - Margaret and Nicola check into a double room at Premier Inn 25 miles away from their home in Greenock. Left a short time later

Friday 12.30am - 1am - The pair returned to the hotel

7am - Guests found Nicola slumped unconscious in the hallway outside hotel room. Margaret discovered inside

Afternoon - Margaret dies from her injuries. Nicola remains in intensive care in a critical condition

A spokesman indicated that the family are not known to police.

Mrs McDonough worked as a council foster carer and twice stood as a candidate for the Liberal Democrat party.

In a leaflet handed out to voters she told how she 'sees first hand the needs of very vulnerable children in her care and their families, and would like to be able to take some of that knowledge into the decision-making processes of the council.'

Nicola graduated from the University of the West of Scotland with a BA (Hons) in social work in April. She is a former pupil of Paisley’s St Andrew’s Academy.

The first indication of the horror came at 7am yesterday when hotel guests found the younger woman slumped unconscious in the corridor outside her room.

Both women were taken by ambulance to hospital where doctors fought in vain to save Margaret, who died yesterday afternoon.

Family members have been informed, and a relative told police that they were in a state of shock and ‘utterly baffled’ by the horrific incident.

Eileen McCartin, a friend of Margaret McDonough and fellow Lib Dem party member, said she had 'no idea what has happened.'

She said: 'My sympathies go out to all her family, and to Nicola especially, in the hope that she will recover from this terrible tragedy.

'I have known Margaret for many years. She was a strong woman, very committed to all she did, both personally and within politics, and her death is a tragic loss to us all.


PIC: Police at the Premier Inn where the two women were discovered

'She was a longstanding member of our local Liberal Democrats, and stood twice for us in the local elections. She also gave me great support by helping to regularly distribute local Focus leaflets to the community.

'She was a kind and generous woman, and a loving mum to all her children and foster children. 'I will miss her greatly.'

Police were today guarding the family’s detached home in a quiet residential street in Paisley.

A close relative said the family were too upset to talk about the tragedy, particularly the loss of Mrs McDonough, and were praying for her daughter’s recovery.

Mrs McDonough’s ex-husband, Thomas, 56, of Blairgowrie, Perthshire, a former building firm boss, was tonight keeping a vigil at his daughter’s bedside in Inverclyde Royal Hospital, Greenock, where she is being treated for her injuries. Although the couple were divorced, they still remained on friendly terms and Mr McDonough was last night said to be ‘devastated’.

Investigating: Detectives combed the hotel for eight hours for evidence but at this stage are treating the incident as 'unexplained'

Police have been unable to speak to Miss McDonough, who studied social work and works at Cosgrove Care charity, because she is still too ill to talk.

On Facebook yesterday, family friends willed Miss McDonough to get well and posted words of encouragement, saying: ‘She’s a wee fighter. Hope they get the scum who did this to them.’

Another said: ‘We’re all praying xx.’

Yesterday, police and crime scene investigators spenteight hours searching the waterfront Premier Inn for clues.

The hotel was cordoned off and guests were questioned as they arrived and left. The mother and daughter had apparently booked a single night stay at the Premier Inn.

They are believed to have arrived there on Thursday in a red Suzuki Swift, which was left in the hotel car park.

It was taken away yesterday for forensic examination.

The mother and daughter had apparently booked a single night stay at the Premier Inn

Detective Inspector David Wagstaff, from Police Scotland, appealed for help in tracing the pair's movements in the hours before they were found.

'There have been several sightings of Margaret in the Paisley area on Thursday morning until about 10am,' he said.

'She and Nicola were also seen within a red coloured Suzuki Swift car, registration number SL56 CBF that day. I'd like to speak to anyone who may have seen this vehicle or anyone who may have seen Margaret or Nicola since 9am on Thursday.

'We also know that Margaret and Nicola checked into the Premier Inn at James Watt Way, Greenock at around 3.50pm on the Thursday. After checking in I know that they left the hotel a short time later and possibly returned between 12.30am and 1am.

'I'd like to speak with anyone who saw them or their vehicle between 9am on the Thursday and 7am on the Friday morning.'

Police are also appealing for any witnesses to report sightings of the women and their vehicle.

A spokeswoman for Whitbread Hotels and Restaurants, which operates Premier Inn, today confirmed the 40-room hotel was still open and operating as normal.

However a police officer remained in the building and the room where the two women were staying was not available to book, the spokeswoman added.

She said: 'We are assisting the police with enquiries and cannot comment further on the matter at this stage.'

Questions: Nicola and Margaret McDonough booked into the Premier Inn hotel in Greenock, 25 miles from their home in Paisley on Thursday afternoon

Chief Superintendent Alan Speir, who is leading the inquiry, said: ‘This is a tragic set of circumstances.

‘We are appealing for information after the two women were found with serious injuries at the Premier Inn hotel in Greenock.

‘The alarm was raised at 7am after a guest found one of the women in the hallway. Both women had significant injuries.

‘A 52-year-old woman and a 23- year-old woman were taken to Inverclyde Royal Hospital. The 52- year-old woman died this afternoon and the 23-year-old is still in a critical condition.

‘We are appealing for witnesses who saw them between 9am the previous day (Thursday) and 7am (Friday).

‘They are both from Paisley and we think they came from the town during the day and were in the Greenock area.’

Mr Speir was last night unable to say if the women had been the victims of an attack.

He said: ‘We cannot establish at this stage whether there are suspicious circumstances. We are treating it as unexplained.

‘There was no one else in their company and we are still trying to piece together what has happened.’

Anyone who can assist Police Scotland should call 101 or
Crimestoppers, in confidence, on 0800
555 111 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 0800 555 111 end_of_the_skype_highlighting.


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Greenock hotel horror: Police scour CCTV after mum is killed and daughter critically injured in mystery attack

12 May 2013 08:11

HOTEL guests have told how they woke to find police all over the Premier Inn amid the search for clues into the bloodbath in which former Lib Dem council candidate Margaret McDonough died and her daughter Nicola was critically injured.


Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322726/Margaret-Nicola-McDonough-Detectives-wait-question-injured-graduate-23-death-mother-Premier-Inn-hotel-mystery.html#ixzz2TJ47SpcA

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Hotel Deaths: Daughter Dies Days After Mother

Nicola McDonough and her mother Margaret were found seriously injured at a hotel - both have now died.

8:46pm UK, Monday 13 May 2013

Nicola McDonough died of her injuries.

A 23-year-old, who was discovered suffering serious injuries in a hotel where her mother had also been fatally injured, has died.

Nicola McDonough and her mother, 52-year-old Margaret, were found at the Premier Inn in Greenock, Inverclyde.

The women were taken to Inverclyde Royal Hospital where Margaret died shortly after arrival.

Police have now confirmed that Nicola died at the hospital this evening.

The injured women, from Paisley, Renfrewshire, who were both guests at the hotel, were discovered at 7am on Friday.

Nicola was found in the hallway while her mother was discovered in a nearby room.

Margaret McDonough was found injured in a hotel room

Police are trying to piece together the last movements of the women and said their red Suzuki Swift car had been taken from the car park of the hotel.

Detective Inspector David Wagstaff from Police Scotland said: "We know that both women were in the Paisley area around 9am on Thursday May 9.

"However, we are trying to establish their movements from that time until 7am when they were found with serious injuries within a room in the hotel.

"We are unable at this time to establish whether there are any suspicious circumstances."

Det Insp Wagstaff appealed for anyone who had seen the women in their vehicle to contact police.

He said: "I really need anyone who can help us put together their last known movements to come forward due to the seriousness of the incident."

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Post by Guest on 14.05.13 23:20

This is certainly a very strange case.

My gut feeling is murder / suicide but who knows.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.05.13 23:30

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This is certainly a very strange case.

My gut feeling is murder / suicide but who knows.
Yes, these three comments, for starters, all require further elaboration:

* Officers are keen to discover why the pair, from Paisley, had booked into a hotel just a few miles from their own home.

* They also want to know where the pair went in the nine hours between checking into the Greenock hotel at around 4pm on Thursday and returning to their room at around 1am.


*They are not looking for any third party currently, but are focusing on the pair's movements before they were found.

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Post by Peneda Geres on 15.05.13 0:15

@Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This is certainly a very strange case.

My gut feeling is murder / suicide but who knows.
Yes, these three comments, for starters, all require further elaboration:

* Officers are keen to discover why the pair, from Paisley, had booked into a hotel just a few miles from their own home.

* They also want to know where the pair went in the nine hours between checking into the Greenock hotel at around 4pm on Thursday and returning to their room at around 1am.


*They are not looking for any third party currently, but are focusing on the pair's movements before they were found.

Unless the cops are bluffing on the 3rd party, then I would wait for toxicology reports before speculating.

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Post by tigger on 15.05.13 8:22

@Peneda Geres wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This is certainly a very strange case.

My gut feeling is murder / suicide but who knows.
Yes, these three comments, for starters, all require further elaboration:

* Officers are keen to discover why the pair, from Paisley, had booked into a hotel just a few miles from their own home.

* They also want to know where the pair went in the nine hours between checking into the Greenock hotel at around 4pm on Thursday and returning to their room at around 1am.


*They are not looking for any third party currently, but are focusing on the pair's movements before they were found.

Unless the cops are bluffing on the 3rd party, then I would wait for toxicology reports before speculating.

LSD is what I was thinking. Weirdest thing ever, we'll have to wait. Although apparently it's already established that they'd taken large quantities of paracetamol.

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Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 15.05.13 10:19


Greenock hotel deaths: Suicide pact suspected

A MOTHER and daughter found with serious injuries at a hotel may have died in a suicide pact, police have said.

• Police investigating the possibility that deaths of mother and daughter were result of suicide pact

• Involvement of thid party ruled out by authorities as paracetomol overdose also suspected

• Margaret McDonough, 52, and Nicola McDonough, 23, both died after suffering serious injuries

http://www.scotsman.com/news/greenock-hotel-deaths-suicide-pact-suspected-1-2926554

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Post by Ayniia on 15.05.13 18:15

Murder/suicide without note? They talk about multiple injuries but after they say paracetamol overdose? weird story indeed,let's wait to see...

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Post by bobbin on 15.05.13 18:28

@Ayniia wrote:Murder/suicide without note? They talk about multiple injuries but after they say paracetamol overdose? weird story indeed,let's wait to see...
quite agree. Paracetamol overdose causes death within a short time, without needing to cut for bleeding. The other time that suicide, paracetamol and wrist cutting has been prominently 'featured' is of course Dr. David Kelly.
Of course, paracetamol could have been served up in drinks during a whole evening and the consumers may not even have known it, and if it's a 'suicide pact' why was the young lady out in the corridor.
It's terrible, which ever way you look at it. Such an awful loss of lives.

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Post by Peneda Geres on 15.05.13 18:35

@bobbin wrote:
@Ayniia wrote:Murder/suicide without note? They talk about multiple injuries but after they say paracetamol overdose? weird story indeed,let's wait to see...
quite agree. Paracetamol overdose causes death within a short time, without needing to cut for bleeding. The other time that suicide, paracetamol and wrist cutting has been prominently 'featured' is of course Dr. David Kelly.
Of course, paracetamol could have been served up in drinks during a whole evening and the consumers may not even have known it, and if it's a 'suicide pact' why was the young lady out in the corridor.
It's terrible, which ever way you look at it. Such an awful loss of lives.

bobbin, paracetamol is not a viable drug for overdosing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol_toxicity

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Post by Nina on 15.05.13 18:53

Paracetamol can and does kill but takes days. However, it is one of the drugs that is often mixed in a sort of cocktail as it is readily available. During my nursing career I remember that many would be suicides admitted to A & E had used it, one woman I also remember used laxative in the cocktail.

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Post by Peneda Geres on 15.05.13 19:05

@Nina wrote:Paracetamol can and does kill but takes days. However, it is one of the drugs that is often mixed in a sort of cocktail as it is readily available. During my nursing career I remember that many would be suicides admitted to A & E had used it, one woman I also remember used laxative in the cocktail.

Nina, I'm aware it can kill after a matter of days due to liver failure, however bobbin had stated wrongly that it kills within a short period of time. I would hazard a guess that co- codamol is the prescription drug of choice when it comes to suicide.

I think it would be fair to say that this mother and daughter "suicide pact" is truly awful, I dread to think what drove them to this.

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Post by Nina on 15.05.13 19:51

@Peneda Geres wrote:
@Nina wrote:Paracetamol can and does kill but takes days. However, it is one of the drugs that is often mixed in a sort of cocktail as it is readily available. During my nursing career I remember that many would be suicides admitted to A & E had used it, one woman I also remember used laxative in the cocktail.

Nina, I'm aware it can kill after a matter of days due to liver failure, however bobbin had stated wrongly that it kills within a short period of time. I would hazard a guess that co- codamol is the prescription drug of choice when it comes to suicide.

I think it would be fair to say that this mother and daughter "suicide pact" is truly awful, I dread to think what drove them to this.

Hi Peneda Geres, I wasn't being argumentative just passing a comment. Yes as you so correctly say it causes liver damage and quite a small dose, though overdose will cause irreversible damage to the liver if not treated quickly.

Edit to add, as you say truly awful. RIP.

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Post by Peneda Geres on 15.05.13 20:20

@Nina wrote:
@Peneda Geres wrote:
@Nina wrote:Paracetamol can and does kill but takes days. However, it is one of the drugs that is often mixed in a sort of cocktail as it is readily available. During my nursing career I remember that many would be suicides admitted to A & E had used it, one woman I also remember used laxative in the cocktail.

Nina, I'm aware it can kill after a matter of days due to liver failure, however bobbin had stated wrongly that it kills within a short period of time. I would hazard a guess that co- codamol is the prescription drug of choice when it comes to suicide.

I think it would be fair to say that this mother and daughter "suicide pact" is truly awful, I dread to think what drove them to this.

Hi Peneda Geres, I wasn't being argumentative just passing a comment. Yes as you so correctly say it causes liver damage and quite a small dose, though overdose will cause irreversible damage to the liver if not treated quickly.

Edit to add, as you say truly awful. RIP.

Hi Nina, I did not see you post in any way argumentative, we are never too old to learn, especially form those with 1st hand experience.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.05.14 21:42

There is a very disturbing update.

From what I know of the case, both women died (post-mortem results) from wounds to their left arms. Mutual wrist-cutting was suggested as part of a suicide pact. There has been a strange silence from the police, who never disclosed whether or not the implement that caused the wound was ever recovered.

The mother was a foster-carer; her daughter was training to be a social worker.

There are further details about a Will made the day before the mutual killings in which the mother left everything to her other three children but nothing to the daughter (Nicola) who died with her.

A peristent rumour is that the two were about to expose a Scottish paedophile ring - but I don't know enough about the case to know whether this has any foundation.

This report appeared a week ago in Scotland:

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New twist in mother & daughter hotel suicide pact probe as woman is referred to the Prosecutor Fiscal in Greenock

May 04, 2014 09:44

AFTER 12 months of investigation into the circumstances surrounding the deaths of Margaret and Nicola McDonough at a Greenock hotel, police have reported a 31-year-old woman to the fiscal.

A woman has been reported to the fiscal by police probing the suspected suicides of a mother and daughter.

The 31-year-old has been referred to prosecutors in Greenock following a lengthy investigation into the deaths of Margaret and Nicola McDonough at a hotel in the town last year.

Margaret, 52, a foster carer from Paisley, died soon after being found with horrific wounds in a room at the Premier Inn on May 10.

Her student daughter Nicola, 23, who was found unconscious in a nearby corridor with a deep slash wound, lost her fight for life three days later.

Both Police Scotland and the Crown Office yesterday declined to give any further details about the latest development.

Sources said the report is about “activities relating to the deaths” in the 12 months leading up to the double tragedy.

The Crown Office said: “The procurator fiscal has received a report concerning a 31-year-old woman in connection with alleged incidents between May 2012 and May 2013. The report remains under the consideration of the procurator fiscal.”

The deaths were thought to be part of a bizarre suicide pact and, at the time, police said they were not looking for anyone else.

It later emerged that Margaret, a former Lib Dem council candidate, had made a will the day before she died.

Her estate of £254,509 was left to her three sons – Kevin, Michael and Matthew, then aged 33, 32 and 21.

Margaret had just £239 held in three bank accounts and her only other asset was a Vauxhall Astra car valued at £4270.

Nicola, a social work graduate, was not mentioned in the will, further fuelling the belief the tragedy was the result of a suicide pact.

The family’s five-bedroom home in Corsebar, Paisley, has been up for sale for the last six months.

It is thought Margaret’s sons moved out shortly after the deaths.

No one from the family could be contacted for comment yesterday.

However, a friend said: “They feel they are now getting closer to the truth.”

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Post by Guest on 12.05.14 21:46

I was thinking about this only recently and wondering why we'd heard nothing further.

Let's hope that the truth comes out - but if there really was any connection with a paedophile ring, there will no doubt be some people doing their best to ensure that it doesn't.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.05.14 17:06

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I was thinking about this only recently and wondering why we'd heard nothing further.

Let's hope that the truth comes out - but if there really was any connection with a paedophile ring, there will no doubt be some people doing their best to ensure that it doesn't.

UPDATE FROM THE 'HERALD':

A MOTHER-of-two is due to appear in court today in connection with the suspected double suicide of a mother and daughter.

Linsey Cotton, 31, was arrested and charged on Saturday with offences including fraud and culpable and reckless conduct in relation to the deaths last year of 52-year-old Margaret McDonough and her daughter Nicola, 23.

It follows a year-long probe into the mother and daughter's deaths, described at the time as a bloodbath. The pair were found at the Premier Inn in Greenock in the early hours of May 10 last year after apparently taking their own lives.

Relatives said the arrested woman is a former girfriend of Margaret’s son Michael McDonough, 33.

She has been charged with offences including fraud and ­culpable and reckless conduct.

Cotton, from Addiewell, West Lothian, is a bar worker at a ­miners’ welfare club.

She is expected to appear at Paisley Sheriff Court tomorrow.

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Post by nomendelta on 16.04.15 13:28

I was thinking about this case today and interestingly enough saw an update. All seems rather bizarre.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/woman-conned-mum-and-daughter-who-were-found-dead-1-3745483

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Post by Amy Dean on 17.04.15 15:32

It sure is a continuing mystery.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.04.15 17:01

@Amy Dean wrote:It sure is a continuing mystery.
A double suicide pact in a hotel room?

Or a double murder in a hotel room?

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Post by nomendelta on 18.09.15 10:28

More on this:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/woman-admits-threats-to-greenock-hotel-suicide-pact-pair-1-3889946

It doesn't add up for me. That they wouldn't just go to the police. That they wouldn't just pay her off. That they'd kill themselves over this. That they'd kill themselves in such a gruesome manner.

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Scotland mother and daughter deaths in hotel.

Post by willowthewisp on 18.09.15 10:56

I think it to be a bit dubious that the mothers last will and testament excludes her daughter, but leaves her remaining assets to her son's?
Then one of her son's has an non-intimate affair with a young woman,sending a ring worth £2,000, who then has contact with a female who then asks one of the son's to help in the tidying up scenario,Suicided more like or killed?
Another point springing to mind, the newspaper article,Coton used step sisters "daughter photo" used for the Brothers non-intimate girlfriend. 
The mother and daughter were qualified Social Care Workers.
May be the Mother and daughter were to meet the elusive brothers non-intimate girlfriend to find out who she was and when they met up at the hotel the ruse was blown?

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Re: SCOTLAND - Did mother and daughter stab each other to death?

Post by guest12345 on 18.09.15 11:13

"A double suicide pact in a hotel room?"

This makes sense to me.

Why make a mess of your house and de-value it as a known address where suicides have taken place. Especially if you have just written your will to leave your assets to your other children.

Death houses struggle to sell/fetch good money if there is a story behind it.

Plus no-one knows where you are to stop you from going through with it, as opposed to being at home.

I'm 90% suicide on this one, due to the nature of the wounds and the movements/planning prior. However...

Only things that strike me as odd is that the daughter was in the hallway, so either she decided to try and back out half way through and try to get help, or something else was in the mix.

A slim possibility could be that they had an ongoing dispute which came to a a head after being out on the town until 1am drunk. The daughter tried to poison the mother throughout the night and fatally once back at the hotel room. When the mother passed out, she cut her wrist, then tried to cover it up after as a 1/2 failed double suicide by drinking another cocktail and cutting her own wrist with the hope that she would get to help and be saved before passing away (hence the crawl to the corridor). 

The fact she could crawl and her mother didn't, to me, suggests that the mother was less mobile and thus had got the effects of the paracetamol poisoning (which takes time) a period of time prior to the daughter.

Motive: Daughter found out she'd been removed from the will for some reason (family dispute, that they were maybe 'sorting out/discussing' away from the house, hence the hotel booking), so got rid of the mother, in hope that the other spouses would share the pot.

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Re: SCOTLAND - Did mother and daughter stab each other to death?

Post by jozi on 18.09.15 11:14

@nomendelta wrote:More on this:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/woman-admits-threats-to-greenock-hotel-suicide-pact-pair-1-3889946

It doesn't add up for me. That they wouldn't just go to the police. That they wouldn't just pay her off. That they'd kill themselves over this. That they'd kill themselves in such a gruesome manner.
I agree, this is very weird case nothing adds up !!!

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Scotland, did mother and daughter kill each other.

Post by willowthewisp on 18.09.15 11:25

Hi Jozi,
It might add up if you were to receive an estate plus the sale of the property would add up to nearly 1/2 million pounds?
Money is used and misused for specific reasons and the perpetrators know what instigates their motives?

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