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Post by Guest on 07.11.12 16:00

Good article on link below, strange how people seem to suffer from loss of memory.......

7 November 2012 Last updated at 15:50





Wales child abuse: 'No public names' in report




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John Jillings said he did not recall allegations that children were taken from north Wales homes and abused.

One victim said an independent inquiry commissioned by Clwyd County Council, on which the report was based, would have been told of such abuse claims.

Steve Messham criticised Mr Jillings' recollection about the names given.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776

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Post by PeterMac on 07.11.12 16:30

@Bob Southgate wrote:Woofer. That sounds about right, the proposal having been dropped. Personally I would be very happy to see who within the police service, judiciary or any public sector body is a freemason. I am not a freemason and happily declare that and I go further by stating that being a freemason is incompatible with the office of constable and the oath that a constable has to take.
But then Freemasonry is also incompatible with "The One God, and the Truth of the Risen Christ", but it doesn't stop the Vatican having one of the most secretive and dangerous Lodges right at its centre.

Read "In God's Name" by David Yallop. Very frightening.

I managed to get hold of a Year Book for the County, and compared it with a Nominal roll print out. Fascinating how some power blocks suddenly made sense !

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Post by justme3 on 07.11.12 16:33

[quote="candyfloss"]Good article on link below, strange how people seem to suffer from loss of memory.......

7 November 2012 Last updated at 15:50





Wales child abuse: 'No public names' in report




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John Jillings said he did not recall allegations that children were taken from north Wales homes and abused.

One victim said an independent inquiry commissioned by Clwyd County Council, on which the report was based, would have been told of such abuse claims.

Steve Messham criticised Mr Jillings' recollection about the names given.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20234776[/quote]

The Waterhouse Inquiry was a cover-up. How do I know? I had to review the report. Lost in Care was a huge book that said NOTHING. £12 million of taxpayers money, spent, to cover up all this filth that is now coming to the surface.

As for Jillings "can't remember", what a lot of tosh. You don't forget about things like that. If he hadn't been told, he would be saying, categorically, that he wasn't told at that time, not "I don't recall".

This ring is so huge, I am waiting for it to cross oceans. I say to our government, ASK the FBI and the CIA. They have it ALL!

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Freemasons stopped the truth coming out about Daniel Morgan

Post by Tony Bennett on 07.11.12 16:40

candyfloss wrote:
@aquila wrote:
candyfloss wrote:'CARE HOME PAEDOPHILES WERE MASONS’

7th November 2012

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/281072/Care-home-paedophiles-were-masons-/

Now tell me that we don't need an all female task force!

Have them vetted and make them swear they are not affiliated to anything masonic.

From the article.



Most of them were Freemasons. There were two MPs, senior judges, serving police officers, senior police officers, market traders, business people from Wrexham – but there were people from all over Britain

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/281072/Care-home-paedophiles-were-masons-/
This from a 2008 report in the Daily Telegraph on the Daniel Morgan murder case, which has remained unsolved for 25 years.

The most likley theory is that Jonathan Rees and/or senior Met police officers ordered him to be killed by a hit-man because he was uncovering some dirty secrets. Former NOTW boss and Cameron's Director of Communications, Andy Coulson, was (and may be stil is) close to Rees. The trial of three men accused of murdering Daniel Morgan collapsed in 2011 for the most extraordinary of reasons:

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By Nick Allen

12:33AM BST 22 Apr 2008

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Private investigator Daniel Morgan, 37, was found with an axe embedded in his head in a pub car park in Sydenham, south London.

The unsolved case has hung over Scotland Yard ever since amid suggestions that Mr Morgan was about to expose a drugs network involving corrupt police officers.

One of those held on suspicion of murder is Jonathan Rees, 53, Mr Morgan’s business partner in Southern Investigations.

The pair were drinking together in the Golden Lion pub half an hour before the body of Mr Morgan, a father of two, was found outside the pub.

Also arrested was Sid Fillery, 61, a former detective sergeant at Scotland Yard, who was involved in the orginal investigation into the murder. Mr Fillery later went to work at Southern Investigations.

There have been five inquiries into Mr Morgan’s murder and the latest, code named Operation Abeleard, was conducted from a secret location outside Scotland Yard.

The arrests followed evidence from “super-grasses” at least one of whom is now under police protection.

Builder James Cook, 53, Glenn Vian, 49, and his brother and Garry Vian, 47, have also been arrested on suspicion of murder.

The sixth man, a serving police constable, was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in a public office. He is accused of leaking information.

His arrest was not connected to the murder but to recent events linked to the other five arrests.

At the request of Mr Morgan’s family officers involved in the latest investigation were required to declare that they were not Freemasons.

His brother Alastair Morgan said: “This is a major step forward after a long, frustrating battle to find out who killed Daniel. I am excited at the developments but there’s a long way to go and nobody has yet been charged. The last 21 years of our lives have been completely over-shadowed by my brother’s murder.”

Mr Morgan was killed by four blows from a Chinese-made axe. His £900 Rolex watch was missing but the £1,100 cash he was carrying was still in his pocket.

Scotland Yard Assistant Commissioner John Yates, who is in overall charge of the investigation, said: “Since that tragic event there have been numerous investigations into his death, none of which have been able to establish who was responsible.

“The current investigation has shown that there are still people out there who have highly pertinent evidence about this case.”

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Post by ShuBob on 07.11.12 16:47

[quote="aquila"]
candyfloss wrote:'CARE HOME PAEDOPHILES WERE MASONS’

7th November 2012

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/281072/Care-home-paedophiles-were-masons-/[/quote]

Now tell me that we don't need an all female task force!

Have them vetted and make them swear they are not affiliated to anything masonic.

Some of these women may have husbands, brothers, friends or other close pals implicated in the scandal. I don't think it's that clear-cut prefering women over men in charge of this sort of thing.

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Post by uppatoffee on 07.11.12 17:00

Jillings is probably bricking it that he's going to be held responsible in some way for the inevitable shortcomings of his report which will be uncovered in the not too distant future.

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Post by justme3 on 07.11.12 18:02

Independent inquiry to examine claims of Jersey abuse:

Claims that Sir Jimmy Savile abused girls at a comes after revelations about the late TV presenter reawakened concerns about his visits to Haut de la Garenne.






Jimmy Savile

Four years ago, the home was the subject of a police investigation over allegations that it was at the centre of a paedophile ring. Lenny Harper, the officer who led the probe, said last month that while Savile’s name had come up there was not enough evidence to charge him.


Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell, who died in 1985, has also been linked to claims of abuse involving the home. children’s home in Jersey are to be examined by a new independent inquiry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9661795/Independent-inquiry-to-examine-claims-of-Jersey-abuse.html

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Post by Guest on 07.11.12 18:35

Breaking news in the USA....

CNN Breaking News‏@cnnbrk

Former Penn State president arraigned in #Sandusky scandal. http://on.cnn.com/UkjNtE



Nick Valencia‏@CNNValencia

Fmr @Penn_State President was arraigned this morning on charges he helped to cover up #Sandusky's sexual abuse of boys on campus #CNN





Centre Daily Times‏@centredailycom

Former #PennState president Graham Spanier charged in Jerry #Sandusky cover-up http://bit.ly/YJxXnZ

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Post by Guest on 07.11.12 18:40

November 7th, 2012
11:21 AM ET















Former Penn State president arraigned in Sandusky scandal



Former Penn State University President Graham Spanier was arraigned Wednesday morning on charges he helped to cover up allegations that Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing boys on campus, CNN contributor Sara Ganim reports.

Spanier was fired in November 2011 when the scandal broke, and was charged last week with obstruction of justice, conspiracy, endangering the welfare of children, failure to report a crime and perjury. He had been Penn State's president for about 16 years.

District Judge William Wenner set his bail at $125,000 unsecured meaning he won't have to pay any unless he fails to show up for future court dates and the judge ordered that Spanier not leave the state of Pennsylvania without permission.

Spanier, former athletic director Tim Curley and ex-Vice President Gary Schultz all face charges stemming from the Sandusky scandal. Curley and Schultz were arraigned Friday.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/07/former-penn-state-president-arraigned-in-sandusky-scandal/

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Post by Woofer on 07.11.12 18:55

Rebecca investigates how freemasonry came out of Waterhouse Inquiry smelling of roses.

http://www.rebeccatelevision.com/articles/mason_free_01

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Post by Tony Bennett on 07.11.12 19:19

@uppatoffee wrote:Jillings is probably bricking it that he's going to be held responsible in some way for the inevitable shortcomings of his report which will be uncovered in the not too distant future.
From the BBC website tonight...

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Mr Jillings said he was led to believe the report was not published because the county council's insurers felt it could result in individual children suing for compensation in a way that could have been costly.

"We were very frustrated, we were concerned on behalf of the children, we felt that we had wasted an enormous amount of time and effort and not to be able to publish the report was totally unacceptable," he said.

Municipal Mutual Insurance said that based upon legal advice it considered the report prepared by Mr Jillings had not been suitable for publication.

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P.S. I went to a garden party once in John Jillings' home, I was employed as a qualified social worker 1975-78 by Derbyshire County Council. He was the Director of Social Services

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Post by justme3 on 07.11.12 19:30


12 hours ago
12 hours ago


This is Ronald Waterhouse presenting the Lost in Care report, to the then Welsh Secretary, Paul Murphy. The book was huge,, about four inches thick, but it said very little.

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Post by Nina on 07.11.12 19:35

@justme3 wrote:
12 hours ago
12 hours ago


This is Ronald Waterhouse presenting the Lost in Care report, to the then Welsh Secretary, Paul Murphy. The book was huge,, about four inches thick, but it said very little.

What a waste of money and a further insult to those who had been abused imo.

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Post by justme3 on 07.11.12 19:51

For those of you who want to read parts of the Waterhouse report, here's the link, but as you can see from the paragraph below, not only did these disgusting people abuse children, but got paid for doing so:

Gordon Anglesea's libel actions

2.29 Anglesea brought proceedings for libel in respect of each of these publications and his actions against Newspaper Publishing plc (the publisher of the Independent on Sunday), The Observer Ltd, HTV Ltd and Pressdram Ltd (the publisher of Private Eye) were then consolidated into one action, which was heard in London before the Honourable Mr Justice Drake, a senior judge of the Queen's Bench Division, who was in charge of the civil jury list, and a jury between 14 November and 7 December 1994. Each of the defendants had pleaded justification, namely, that the words complained of by Anglesea were true in substance and in fact.
2.30 At the trial Anglesea gave evidence and three members of his family, namely, his second wife, a son and a step-son were called as witnesses on his behalf. In addition, Gladys Green, who had been secretary to the headmaster of Bryn Estyn and a senior administrator at the school for nearly 12 years, gave evidence for Anglesea. The defendants relied upon the evidence of three former Bryn Estyn residents, two of whom alleged that Anglesea had both indecently assaulted and buggered them and the third of whom, who had not emerged as a potential witness until shortly before the trial, gave evidence of a joint indecent assault by Anglesea and Howarth. Two other witnesses, a housemother at Bryn Estyn, who was also a policeman's wife, and a probation officer who had been attached to the staff of the home for three months whilst on a training course gave evidence of having seen Anglesea there. Dean Nelson, the author of the first article in the Independent on Sunday, was not called as a witness but it was reasonably clear from the evidence that he had not been in possession of any actual evidence of child abuse by Anglesea at the time when his article appeared.




2.31 It is clear from the trial judge's summing up that the central issue that the jury had to decide was "Have the Defendants satisfied you that Mr Anglesea was guilty of very serious sexual misconduct at Bryn Estyn?" The Defendants had to prove the main "sting" of the charge, that is, that Gordon Anglesea did commit some serious offence at Bryn Estyn against the boys who were there, although they did not have to prove every detail alleged. Moreover, the judge told the jury "Because in this case the charges made by the Defendants are so very grave, the Defendants must prove them to a high standard so that you, the jury become satisfied that the Plaintiff did commit these serious assaults". Having spoken of the balance of probabilities test in civil cases and the tilting of the scales, he concluded:



    "The more serious the charge, the further down the scales have to go. So in this case, where the charge against Gordon Anglesea is just about as serious as you could consider, the evidence required to prove the Defendants' case must be that much stronger."

2.32 In the event, on 6 December 1994, the jury found in favour of Anglesea by a majority of 10 to 2, after a retirement of about nine hours. The following day it was agreed between the parties that he should receive total damages of £375,000 by way of compensation, together with appropriate undertakings about non-repetition of the libels and payment of his legal costs.




http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/http://www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20104.htm

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Post by Woofer on 07.11.12 22:17

Ch4 News, Tues, Steve Messham - he handed dozens of incriminating photographs to the police but only 2 people prosecuted. He named 60 people in his statements but the police made him remove 32 of the names from his statement.

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/061112

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Post by bristow on 08.11.12 11:50

This horrific account of abuse in Wales was on Radio 2 a couple of days ago.
A listener calling himself 'Billy' phoned in.

Warning, very graphic and upsetting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq

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Post by aquila on 08.11.12 12:24

@bristow wrote:This horrific account of abuse in Wales was on Radio 2 a couple of days ago.
A listener calling himself 'Billy' phoned in.

Warning, very graphic and upsetting.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq[/quote[/url]]

I'm crying as I write this having just listened to the radio interview. The interviewer cut him (Billy) off when things became uncomfortably 'graphic' and ushered him off to advise that someone at Radio 2 could put him in touch with people that could help him. When is it ever appropriate to discuss openly what happens when paedophiles rape children? In a court of law (if ever it gets that far) there is no opportunity for a victim to state exactly what happened to them. Victims answer questions to defence lawyers and that is if they have had the courage and opportunity to be believed and take a paedophile to trial in the first place. It's the age old thing that the details of paedophilia are swept under the carpet as it is unpleasant. I guess the Radio 2 interview was a bit too 'full on' for the interviewer but then what did they expect? Did they expect someone to say 'oh yes it was terrible' and not talk about being torn anally from rape? They shut this man's mouth at the first opportunity when it didn't suit their interview. If they weren't looking for the truth then why ask him to speak and then interrupt him.

All imo.

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Post by Nina on 08.11.12 12:38

@aquila wrote:
@bristow wrote:This horrific account of abuse in Wales was on Radio 2 a couple of days ago.
A listener calling himself 'Billy' phoned in.

Warning, very graphic and upsetting.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq[/quote[/url]]

I'm crying as I write this having just listened to the radio interview. The interviewer cut him (Billy) off when things became uncomfortably 'graphic' and ushered him off to advise that someone at Radio 2 could put him in touch with people that could help him. When is it ever appropriate to discuss openly what happens when paedophiles rape children? In a court of law (if ever it gets that far) there is no opportunity for a victim to state exactly what happened to them. Victims answer questions to defence lawyers and that is if they have had the courage and opportunity to be believed and take a paedophile to trial in the first place. It's the age old thing that the details of paedophilia are swept under the carpet as it is unpleasant. I guess the Radio 2 interview was a bit too 'full on' for the interviewer but then what did they expect? Did they expect someone to say 'oh yes it was terrible' and not talk about being torn anally from rape? They shut this man's mouth at the first opportunity when it didn't suit their interview. If they weren't looking for the truth then why ask him to speak and then interrupt him.

All imo.

Hi aquila, I couldn't access the link, living in Spain but realize that from what you said it got very graphic and could have well got even more graphic had it not been cut short. It's like the Mccanns saying that Madeleine had been taken by a paedophile and then saying that she would have been giving her tuppence worth, or that she was being treated like a princess, as if.
I may get shouted down here but I think a child abused by a relative may be treated with less violence than a child abused by a stranger or as this young man was talking about. Not making excuses at all for in house abuse.

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Post by Woofer on 08.11.12 13:15

@bristow wrote:This horrific account of abuse in Wales was on Radio 2 a couple of days ago.
A listener calling himself 'Billy' phoned in.

Warning, very graphic and upsetting.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010r6bq[/quote[/url]]

Can`t stop crying about this - poor, poor man - please let him get help.

Bastards who did this to him, and obviously thousands of others.

FGS get these animals who did this.

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Post by justme3 on 08.11.12 13:18

Please, please, please send this radio link to ALL MPs and AMs email addresses. We HAVE to make a stand and make sure ALL these evil, filthy BASTARDS are brought to justice.

I am sure all of you know how to get access to MPs, but to make it easy, I've posted the link:

http://www.parliament.uk/about/contacting/mp/

And Welsh Assembly members:

http://www.senedd.assemblywales.org/mgMemberIndex.aspx

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Post by Guest on 08.11.12 15:29

8 November 2012 Last updated at 14:31




David Cameron warns of 'witch-hunt' over child abuse claims




David Cameron fears a "witch-hunt" against gay people as a result of child abuse allegations circulating online.

The prime minister made his comment after being unexpectedly handed a list of names on ITV1's This Morning, which the presenter said were being mentioned online as paedophiles.



More on link below.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939

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Post by PeterMac on 08.11.12 16:11

And he made a bizarre link between paedo***** and homosexuals.
Some are paedo***, most are not.
Just like heterosexuals, actually.

The problem with what he has just done, is that it will now allow homosexual pederasts, or the lawyers acting or them, to claim that they are being hounded for their orientation, rather than their actions.

There has to be a clear divide in people's minds that what is being condemned is the actions. Not the dreams, hopes, wishes, and lusts.
Only the actions.

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