@PeterMac wrote:The latest news is that Duggan did not fire his weapon at the Police before he was shot.
The family have said "In this day and age this is completely unacceptable .. " and so on.
Just examine those two statements side by side.
The family are implicitly saying they are perfectly happy that their son, father, brother etc etc was in possession of an illegal firearm, actually a prohibiited weapon, with a chambered round, was clearly doing something unlawful, hence the fact that there was a full scale armed surveillance operation trying to arrest him, but they find it "unacceptable" that he did not manage to kill a police officer first.
I really hope some journalist manages to put the question to them in roughly those terms at the appropriate time.
is this what is wrong with Britain. Just listen out for the bleeding heart liberals to start the justification, hear 500 solicitors plug in their cash registers, and marvel as 500 defence barristers begin to sharpen their quill pens.
Very true PeterMac. Carrying an illegal fireman, means you should be prepared to take the consequences.
Hooded youths are throwing bricks at shops near Corporation Street. http://t.co/eb8DWil
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I'm near Market Street in Manchester. Police horses are charging at gathered crowds.
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I believe there's more than meet the eyes. The master mind behind must be an educated person who's is leader of youth frustrated with the country, politicians, and govt system and venting their frustration and anger to make a statement.
When you are poor, down and trodden rioting is one mean albeit violent one to make an effective statement to the Govt. Unlike the rich and influential with might and finance to hire an army of lawyers to air their contentious issues in the court of law in front of judges but for the poor their court is the public.
By their riot it is guaranteed that the govt's attention - in fact the country and world's attention - is arrested. When the police can manage to round a few activists to the police station we may learn the real reason behind this rampant.
I suspect those thugs who created the most wreckage are not are just blind followers. They are likely youth very discontented with their lives and way things were going in this country and were used for the riot for maximum impact. It doesn't need a lot to instigate groups of troubled and unhappy youth to lash out to vent their frustration. They're probably glad someone masterminds it for them as there is safety in numbers - they probably thought they have a worthy cause on hands.
If their prime objective is to get the govt's attention - well they've got it !
I suspect had they marched or protested in a civil and peaceful manner outside no 10, police will be deployed to disperse them and their voice will be lost on govt's deaf ears.
Not since WWII had we seen such anarchy on a mass scale and the root cause is going to be something that surprises no one I suspect - the question is who are the leaders of this mass riot?
social networking via mobile phone is something law enforcer is up against in the days of modern evolving technology because new riot group can be easily and speedily formed and assembled with target spot changed or make up instantly and there's no way the police can prepare enough for the eventuality.
Sms text message is all it needs to mobilise youth to the task - no need for pro activities to gather them up into a physical spot for briefings as that can be transmitted via sms.
When you think about it, it is frightening because chain linking youth to instigate youth is dead easy.
The police will be spread thin if they have to station themselves in all cities and towns throughout the country to be a step ahead of the rioters.
Can anyone imagine how WWIII will be fought post mobile phone?
The vast majority of the rioters are teenagers.
Does anyone seriously think young teenagers have elaborate opinions on the state of the economy?
These are the same kids who have been allowed to terrorize working class estates for decades.
Britain is in complete moral decay. We have brought up children with no morals, no decency, no discipline and an extraordinary sense of entitlement.
They know they are untouchable and they will only get at most a slap on the wrist if caught.
We have taught them they have rights but no responsabilities.
The end result is there for all to see.
Daniel 11:27, "…and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper:"
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1132: BBC reporter Jon Brain at Highbury magistrates' court tells BBC 5 live the first person who appeared in the dock this morning was a 31-year-old school worker named Alexis Bailey. He pleaded guilty to being part of the looting of the Richer Sounds store in Croydon.
A murder investigation has been launched after three people were killed “doing the job of the police” during widespread rioting.
What should be done to the scum that carried out this appalling crime!
Kate McCann "I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances"
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@Marian wrote:If there are rioters who are found to be in the country illegally, I hope they are kicked out immediately. As for home grown scum, they don't deserve ever to see the light of day again but I doubt that the punishments will in any way fit the crimes. We can bet that the human rights lawyers are busy right now!
Just heard of BBC news that one of the looters who had stolen t shirts was given a 1 day custodial sentence, but had already served that 1 day waiting for the court case and was released today!!
Someone said on twitter yesterday that Hitler couldn't break Britain, nor could Al Qaeda. Our own youths are doing a better job.
This is not just about arson and robbery now, it's now about murder. Homegrown terrorism with kids as young as 9.
Listen to these kids on this tape from the BBC, "I'll keep looting till I get caught"
Because they do not want this turning into a story about terrorism, as it would put the fear up everyone.
This Government will have to wake up to the 21st Century terrorist. They are home grown, organised and highly motivated.
All terrorists should be treated the same way, as a threat and shot.
Stella wrote:Then they will also have to stop selling other things on the shelves such as engine oil in Halfords, which is just as flammable.
And spirits apparently. Some chap saying on the news yesterday, that before he left his pub he secured all this spirit optics etc. so they couldn't take them to start fires.
Stella wrote:The media are focusing on the young being responsible for this
Typical 'blame everyone else' culture we live in. I think the governments and powers of the country should be looking at their own responsibility as well for the big part they played in causing all this. This has been building for many years and somewhere along the line they have missed a generation
Who pulled the strings?...THE SYMINGTONS..And the Scottish connections...Look no further if you dare
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10 weeks and 16 weeks, does anybody else here think these sentences are pathetic!!
@BrokenBritain wrote:One of the pictures shown in the daily mail was a youngster of 9. Can you imagine the parent of this child realising their child was responsible for taking part in this rioting and burning of property/making someone homeless/jobless?
The 9-year old youngster likely comes from broken home where the parents don't give a damn what the child does and probably have no idea what the child was up to and likely couldn't care less even if they knew.
The government should legislate a new law making it against the law for under 18 to have a mobile.
Only adults should be allowed to own mobile number and restrict the number of sims card a household can have.
The government should ask phone company to switch off mobile services of youngsters for a temporary period to arrest the spread of riot.
They should make a public announcement requesting parents to confiscate their children sims card.
Or set up emergency centres manned by volunteers and require youngsters or parents to bring in their children to surrender their sims card as a temporary measure to stamp out the organised riot. Sales of PAYG cards should be forbidden during this period.
I believe underage children's phone numbers are usually obtained and registered by parents so the government should make it a punishable offence for parents not to report or hand in their children's SIMS cards during this period. Community participation and spirit is needed to protect community.
We are not talking police state, but a state with effective law with help from community to contain this anarchy situation. Deploying police in masses only to end up with some arrests and a few charged isn't going to be enough to solve the problem of merchants whose livelihood is destroyed or return justice to those who are dead.