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Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

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Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by willowthewisp on 01.04.16 18:08

Mr Javid finally succumbs to return to the UK and face the heat, worries of the "Steel Workers" and their family communities at Port Talbot in South Wales, must have got lost using his sat nav in Australia?
How many billions of pounds was procured to rescue the Banking Industry and what they may propose to rescue the UK Steel Industry, will not be on a similar ratio to proportion, as they do not vote for the Conservatives being mainly "Blue Collar Jobs" that will be lost if Port Talbot ceases production of steel, similar to the mineworkers, expendable eh Dave, Sajid?

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by aquila on 01.04.16 18:20

No coal and no steel, South Wales has now officially been dumped in the gutter. Will some twit of a tory tell the hundreds of people they sold out to the Chinese to get on their bikes and search for work elsewhere?

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by Guest on 01.04.16 19:08

It's looking grim if the plant closes.  Thousands of workers will be affected.

There are few Tory voters in South Wales so there's no fear of losing votes.

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by BlueBag on 02.04.16 7:28

On the plus side... in South Wales there are now tens of thousands more compliant slave level workers ready to accept the "living wage" (or less).

A golden opportunity for multi-nationals whose billions and trillions are maybe not enough for them.

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Post by Guest on 02.04.16 7:45

@BlueBag, This is a huge concern for some of the workers who have been interviewed this week.

Notice how Osborne has appropriated the term "living wage".  It's still the minimum wage.  After years of being set at a ridiculously low rate, it's being gradually increased to a more realistic level. The living wage is £1+ per hour more than the minimum wage.

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Post by aquila on 02.04.16 7:56

Ladyinred wrote:@BlueBag, This is a huge concern for some of the workers who have been interviewed this week.

Notice how Osborne has appropriated the term "living wage".  It's still the minimum wage.  After years of being set at a ridiculously low rate, it's being gradually increased to a more realistic level. The living wage is £1+ per hour more than the minimum wage.
Add zero hours contracts to this evil, toxic mix.

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Post by BlueBag on 02.04.16 8:23

Where are the Trade Unions?

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Okay to bail out the Banks,but not blue collar workers,"we're all in this together",eh Dave

Post by willowthewisp on 02.04.16 11:40

@BlueBag wrote:Where are the Trade Unions?
Tied up with lawyers trying to understand the "imposed restrictions" placed upon them by beloved MP'S who voted into law the new legislation,whilst supporting China industry dumping of inferior steel products throughout Europe,Eh Gideon,Dave,Sajid?

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Post by plebgate on 02.04.16 12:23

The Tories should be kicked out but there is no Opposition so they are getting away with it all.

Unless they change their leader, then Labour are doomed imo, at the next election.   How many voters are going to elect a leader who says they would not push the button.

Nothing ever changes and NEVER WILL.    

CANNON FODDER, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL.

VOTE NO TO EUROPE.

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Post by BlueBag on 02.04.16 12:37

If Labour do change their leader it will be the Tory-Lite party again - Government business as usual.

It's a no win.

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by Hobs on 02.04.16 15:02

I have never understood why people doing the exact same job, with the exact same skill set get paid different amounts per hour based on their age?

Yes it may be that 16-18 year olds are likely to be still living at home, however they would probably be expected to contribute to the household bills and living costs.

Those in their early 20's may be living on their on or flat sharing but why are they paid less that someone aged 25?
They may have family responsibilities, being a parent, why should they be paid less than a 25 year old in the same situation?

Regarding the steel industry.
Trade unions were their own worse enemy.
they made all the demands for higher wages, restrictions on hours, overtime etc and then they complain when  because of all their demands causing our steel to be more expensive, the steel industry collapses because it cannot compete with cheaper steel from abroad.

Sometimes workers have to bite the bullet and settle for less to ensure they can compete with cheaper imports and have a job, until the cheaper imports finish due to the costs being unsustainable.

Currently China is subsidizing their steel production, wage costs are lower as the cost of living is cheaper and there is no shortage of workers.
there will always be someone willing to take a job at a lower wage and then worry about it later.

We could nationalize our steel industry, the public would then be up in arms over the cost to the public purse when the costs rocket and bailouts are required to keep the works open, as well as when the workers go on strike as they most certainly will egged on by the unions.
Union leaders don't care if jobs get lost, they are safe and secure and getting massive wages.

Chinese steel will become more expensive, at the moment they are flooding the market, selling the steel at less than cost.
This cannot be sustained.
What we can do is make sure the steel we do produce is top quality, manufactured to pin point accuracy for specific roles and uses.
Cheap steel may be cheap, it probably isn't going to be of a good quality.
Our steel is not so cheap, it is however of high quality and will do its job better and last longer.

As technology advances, there may be a point in the future when steel in no longer required, composite materials could do the same job at a fraction of the cost and more environmentally friendly as well.

I agree that we should not have bailed out the banks, however, the money generated by the banking industry outstrips that generated by the steel industry.

I see steel going the same way as coal mining.
Coal mining is a finite industry, once the coal is gone there is nothing to replace it (for at least millions of years)
keeping the mines open is a waste of money and, at some point, it will be impossible to dig out any more due to costs, accessibility or  that there is none left.

Coming from Corby, we had all our eggs in one basket.
The iron ore we had was poor quality and steel was pretty much the only employer.
It was no longer a sustainable option, the Tories said it should be closed and labor closed it.
Times were hard for a while, however, we are now a thriving town with a wide range of employers, the town centre has been regenerated with new business, a new cinema, restaurants and a train station.

I feel sorry that our steel industry may go bosoms up, in the future when times are better, we may recover, our steel being in demand because of its quality and precision engineering as opposed to cheap and cheerful.

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Post by aquila on 02.04.16 15:56

I can't believe you wrote that Hobs. I'm not going to challenge it line by line because none of it makes much sense - it's all over the place.

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by laineylou on 02.04.16 19:56

This is Thatchers legacy. When we entered the COMMON MARKET she was having trouble with Miners and dockers she did not want the working man holding any advantage,so she destroyed them, and the unions,she thought the wa forward was through finance, and sold off all manufacture, not even to the highest bidders, a pattern Gideon has repeated, lining his and chums pockets, tories do not give a damp about joe public, we are there as cannon fodder and to suit their purpose, look how the disabled have been treated, I could weep, I worked at DWP, and was ashamed at what was happening to people.It is the same as it ever was and until we get them out they will bleed us dry and keep lining there own pocket. No shame, no empathy, no MORALS!!

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Re: Ok to bail out banks, but not blue collar workers, "we're all in this together" eh, Dave

Post by BlueBag on 02.04.16 22:20

@Hobs wrote:
Trade unions were their own worse enemy.
they made all the demands for higher wages, restrictions on hours, overtime etc and then they complain when  because of all their demands causing our steel to be more expensive, the steel industry collapses because it cannot compete with cheaper steel from abroad.
Because bankers, Politicians, big bosses and shareholders deserve a better standard of living than the minions?

The problem was never the workers who wanted a fair share of the wealth.

It's greedy globalists hunting for most subservient laborers who they can exploit more easily.

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