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Post by Joss on 18.11.15 7:33

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Joss wrote:All Abrahamic religions IMO are inherently wicked.

Joss said: "All Abrahamic religions IMO are inherently wicked."

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Abraham was born around 1996 BC.

His wife Sarah couldn’t conceive. So Abraham, with Sarah’s blessing, had a child by one of his servants, Hagar. His name was Ishmael.

Later Sarah gave birth herself to a child, Isaac, a child which God had long time before promised her.

Relations between the two women deteriorated and Hagar and Ishmael left the family home.

Abraham was a man who had faith in his Creator, who promised him and his descendants a home in Cannan.

From then on, Jewish history was substantially about a coming Redeemer, or Messiah. The exodus from Egypt to Canaan spoke of a promised land for believers. The Old Testament sacrifices required a spotless lamb to be selected on the 10th of the first month (Nisan) and killed on the 14th.

And so it came to pass that Christ came and, as predicted 1,500 years before, rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of of Nisan (the spotless lamb) and was crucified four days later on the 14th (the sacrifice). At that moment, the sacrifcial ceremonies were cancelled - the ‘once-for-all’ sacrifice had now been made.     

And at that moment, as there was total darkness across the earth for three hours, and a violent earthquake, Christ died, uttering the words: ‘It is finished’, meaning that He had paid the due penalty for the sins of those who would believe in Him.

And at that very moment, Judaism morphed into Christianity.

Judaism continues for those Jews who don’t believe that Christ was the promised Saviour and Redeemer.

As for Islam, the Prophet Muhammed, in his twisted teachings, twisted the Biblical account and claimed that lshmael (the acknowledged father of the Arab peoples) was the true ‘son of the promise’. That is the very slender ground on which Islam is said to be ‘Abrahamic’. It isn’t, in any sense of the word.

As to the alleged wickedness of Christ and Christianity:

* Christ suffered torture and a humiliating death in order to liberate people from sin and forgive them

* He taught the Beatitudes: ‘Blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers’ etc.

* He reaffirmed all of The Ten Commandments

* He taught the Lord’s Prayer: ‘Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive  those that trespass against us’

* He taught people to ‘turn the other cheek’, and even when He was being mocked and spat at on the cross. He cried out: ‘Father, forgive them for they know not what to do’

* He taught His followers to live a simple life, not coveting wealth or fame.

It’s hard to see what is ‘wicked’ about such a religion.                     
I think the history of Abrahamic religion tells a different story. Abraham was a mad man that heard voices in his head telling him god wanted him to sacrifice his son. To murder his own flesh and blood to appease that god. A test for him to prove his faith to his god. And as he was about to kill his own child god supposedly stepped in and told him not to, he had passed god's test. What kind of higher being would do such a thing? What kind of god that asks for murder and sacrifice  for any reason at all can be sacred? Non that i can see.
Christianity, Judaism, (Talmudic), and Islam have a long and bloody history.
Anything that claims it is the truth usually is not. Most religions claim they hold the truth and are god's chosen ones, and that they are right in their belief system and the other is wrong and has got it all wrong. What do those so called religions do except to separate and divide people and cause conflict about who is right and who is wrong, to the point they will kill you over it. And what kind of god would expect people to be on their knees in worship to him, as if we are his slaves in submission to him? If there is a god it has nothing to do with any of that IMO. Religions in all their different factions have never brought peace upon this planet either. We are still at it fighting each other over it.
And what of the Eastern religions, are they all wrong too? Notice no one ever discusses them.
But i respect all opinions because who can really say who is right and who is wrong?


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Post by BlueBag on 18.11.15 8:45

Millions of Christians all over the world praying to God, listening to God in good faith and absolute belief....

Split into thousands of bickering sects arguing about the nature of God, doctrine, theology, what the Gospel really means (apply self interpretation here)...

Why doesn't God just put them straight like he said he would in the Gospel "Ask and it shall be given", "The Holy Spirit will teach you all things". 

He does talk to them doesn't he?

If by some chance I get to a heaven and God is there and he says "away from me, you didn't believe".... I shall reply.. "Believe what? Catholic? COE? Baptist? Calvinist? Lutheran? Annabaptist? Greek Orthodox? Russian Orthodox? Pentalcostal?......  ...."  

Most of these Churchs have MAJOR and FUNDAMENTAL differences in belief systems. 

Then there are the millions of Mormons and Seventh Day Adventist who through burnings in their bosums are also convinced God has revealed an even wackier version of Christianity. Why it is claimed God the Father and Jesus personally appeared to Mormon Joseph Smith and told him all about it... now why shouldn't we believe that? 

So anyway... my response will be... "Believe what?"

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.11.15 8:48

Let's not forget that ISIS supporters are freely killing innocent people in other parts of the planet.

224 people blown up on a Russian plane.

Several dozen people blown up in a crowded place in The Lebanon last week.

129 killed in Paris and hundreds more injured.

And this, yesterday, in Nigeria:    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34852971

...over 30 people shopping in the market-place blown to smithereens by Boko Haram militants - close allies of ISIS

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.11.15 9:16

Joss wrote:

I think the history of Abrahamic religion tells a different story. Abraham was a mad man that heard voices in his head telling him god wanted him to sacrifice his son. To murder his own flesh and blood to appease that god. A test for him to prove his faith to his god. And as he was about to kill his own child god supposedly stepped in and told him not to, he had passed god's test. What kind of higher being would do such a thing? What kind of god that asks for murder and sacrifice for any reason at all can be sacred? None that I can see.

REPLY:  Yes, it was a test of faith for Abraham. He had absolute faith and trust in God that He had a purpose in asking him to sacrifice his son. And He did. Because about 1,850 years later, God the Father gave his only son in a final sacrifice for sin:  “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3 v 16).

What do those so-called religions do except to separate and divide people and cause conflict about who is right and who is wrong, to the point they will kill you over it. 

REPLY: No true Christian has ever killed or even thought about killing someone over a difference of belief of any kind. Look at Christian fellowships the world over, and the Christian faith beings together people of all manner of ‘races’, cultural backgrounds and beliefs, united by their faith in Jesus Christ. 

But I respect all opinions because who can really say who is right and who is wrong? 

REPLY: The resurrection and miracles of Jesus Christ are surely an unanswerable claim to uniqueness?


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Millions of Christians all over the world…split into thousands of bickering sects arguing about the nature of God, doctrine, theology, what the Gospel really means…Why doesn't God just put them straight? So anyway... y response will be...”Believe what?”

REPLY: During the three-and-a-half years of His ministry, Christ repeatedly emphasised that He was the fulfilment of the Old Testament Scriptures. He said they were the word of God, ‘every jot and tittle’. The answer to all questions of doctrine are to be found in the Bible, not one sentence of which has ever been proved to be untrue. The differences between some of the denominations you mention are much smaller than you suggest, but I’ll state once again that Roman Catholicism cannot be accepted as a Christian belief-system, it is wholly alien to the Bible’s teaching in multiple ways.

FINAL NOTE: Controversial discussions like this have in the past been moved to the Members’ Lounge, and I wonder if the discussion about matters of Christian belief might be better carried on there?              

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Post by BlueBag on 18.11.15 9:41

I’ll state once again that Roman Catholicism cannot be accepted as a Christian belief-system, it is wholly alien to the Bible’s teaching in multiple ways.
The Bible (definitive Old and New Testament) as such didn't exist until 4th Century when the Catholic Church decided what was in and what was not.

A very interesting time indeed.

There were multiple versions of Christianity until Constantine gathered all the Bishops together and made them come up with a single belief system which was the Catholic Church for the next 600 years at least.

The other versions of Christianity were suppressed and the other Gospels destroyed - only to be rediscovered in 1945.

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Post by Joss on 18.11.15 10:53

@BlueBag wrote:
I’ll state once again that Roman Catholicism cannot be accepted as a Christian belief-system, it is wholly alien to the Bible’s teaching in multiple ways.
The Bible (definitive Old and New Testament) as such didn't exist until 4th Century when the Catholic Church decided what was in and what was not.

A very interesting time indeed.

There were multiple versions of Christianity until Constantine gathered all the Bishops together and made them come up with a single belief system which was the Catholic Church for the next 600 years at least.

The other versions of Christianity were suppressed and the other Gospels destroyed - only to be rediscovered in 1945.
Yes, exactly this is some of the history of religion from what i have read.

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The Insanity of Europe

Post by willowthewisp on 18.11.15 12:05

@Tony Bennett wrote:Pat Condell made this video on 28 September - 7 weeks before the Paris atrocities. He predicted more mass murders on our streets.

One of the issues he raises is the increase in rapes of women as Muslim men move into Europe. He mentions Germany. In recent years, very large numbers of Muslims have moved to Sweden. There has been an absolutely staggering rise in rapes by Muslims, and Sweden now has by far the highest rate of rape crimes in the whole of Europe.

Some might regard Pat Condell as speaking a bit too plainly.

But I think this is well worth a watch - over half a million have watched it so far (just 6 minutes long):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIcltV7r-nM
Any one happen to notice where the first Syrian Refugees from the war torn region were accommodated,Yes Scotland,Not Oxfordshire eh Dave, you could have directed funds to your local constituency to accommodate them their Dave, why didn't you?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.11.15 13:20

@ BlueBag  @ Joss

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BlueBag wrote: The Bible (definitive Old and New Testament) as such didn't exist until 4th Century when the Catholic Church decided what was in and what was not. A very interesting time indeed.

REPLY: The contents of the Old Testament were settled several hundred years before Christ, after the last Old Testament was written by the prophet Malachi. The contents of the Torah (first 5 books of the Bible, sometimes called the ‘Book of Moses’), were written down around 1,400 BC.

Christ many times referred to the 100% authenticity of the 36 books of the Old Testament. I could give you many references, but here’s one, recorded in Luke 24, which occurred about a couple of weeks after Christ had risen from the grave and was speaking to the 11 apostles (Judas having committed suicide):

43 - And he took it [the broiled fish], and did eat before them.

44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 - Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 - And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 - And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48  - And ye are witnesses of these things. 

Around 200 BC, all the 36 Old Testament books were translated into Greek, in a version known as the ‘Septuagint’. Alexander the Great’s conquests had been so extensive that by this time Grrek had become the ‘lingua franca’ of much of the world, in much the same way that English has become today’s ‘lingua franca’.

The content of the New Testament was pretty much decided by 150 AD, see this reference from Wikipedia:

Development of the New Testament canon[edit]

Main articles: Canonical gospels and Development of the New Testament canon

The development of the New Testament canon was, like that of the Old Testament, a gradual process.

Irenaeus (died c. 202) quotes and cites 21 books that would end up as part of the New Testament, but does not use Philemon, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 3 John and Jude.[2] By the early 3rd century Origen of Alexandria may have been using the same 27 books as in the modern New Testament, though there were still disputes over the canonicity of Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and Revelation,[3] see also Antilegomena. Likewise by 200 the Muratorian fragment shows that there existed a set of Christian writings somewhat similar to what is now the New Testament, which included four gospels and argued against objections to them.[4] Thus, while there was plenty of discussion in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the "major" writings were accepted by almost all Christian authorities by the middle of the second century.[5]

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BlueBag wrote:  There were multiple versions of Christianity until Constantine gathered all the Bishops together and made them come up with a single belief system which was the Catholic Church for the next 600 years at least.

REPLY: The first books of the New Testament were written around 55 AD and most were written before 100 AD. As stated above, there was a general consensus around which books were canonical by around 150 AD, long before the Council of Nicea in 325 AD which I think is what you are referring to.

You’re quite right, Constantine convened a meeting of the bishops then, but at that time there was no Roman Catholic Church as such. It developed over the next 200 years, and by the time of Pope Gregory, he sent Augustine in 597 AD to try and assert control over the independent and flourishing British church. They would not bow the knee to the Pope however (quite rightly!), and as a result Augustine persuaded his ally King Aethelfrith of Northumbria to slaughter its leaders at Bangor-on-Dee in 612 AD. The massacre puts even the atrocity in Paris in the shade; 1,200 British Christians were executed:  http://www.annomundi.com/history/bangor.htm 

So by that time, the Roman Catholic Church was well-established, and already corrupt right at the top.

There are no other ‘versions’ of Christianity; what you call ‘other versions’ are simply the ideas of those who depart from the plain teachings of the Bible.              

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Post by BlueBag on 18.11.15 14:07

Sorry Tony, there were lots of other versions of Christianity.

You might find the books and lectures of Bart Erhman very interesting.

Especially this one:



Constantine did a real job.

He recognised a good control mechanism when he saw it.

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Post by comperedna on 18.11.15 15:53

Willowthewisp... I live in the PM's constituency and the local press says we ARE getting refugees here and soon. OK, not the first plane load.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.11.15 16:00

@BlueBag wrote:Sorry Tony, there were lots of other versions of Christianity.

You might find the books and lectures of Bart Erhman very interesting.

Especially this one:



Constantine did a real job.

He recognised a good control mechanism when he saw it.

The 'version' the Bible gives us is plain.

God created the universe, the earth and all that is within them.

He gave Adam and Eve a set of rules.

They willfully rebelled and broke them.

Ever since, all of mankind is infected with a tendency to sin: 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".

God found a way to remedy our plight by providing a Saviour, a Redeemer, God the Eternal Son, Jesus Christ, whose sacrifice meant that those who believe in Him and sincerely repent of their sins can be forgiven and can be changed.

And Christ will return one day and all the world will face a Day of Judgment.

There is no other 'variation' of 'version' of the essentials of the faith than that; that and only that can be extracted from the Bible.

Anything that contradicts that is simply not Christianity.

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Post by willowthewisp on 18.11.15 18:12

@comperedna wrote:Willowthewisp... I live in the PM's constituency and the local press says we ARE getting refugees here and soon. OK, not the first plane load.
Hi comperedna,
Do you bump into the fragrant Rebekah Brooks, after everything she has done to help a famous couple, perhaps Dave may make her a Dame in the Lords to sit with Lord Hague, who absconded from the Commons quickly when the child abuse scandal was being investigated, but dear William never did uncover any peadophile activities at Bryn Alyn and Estyn?
Mr Cameron and Mr Hammond are having twitchy fingers in their rush to "Bomb Syria" to assist France after the Paris attacks by ISIS?
These two learned chums won't be putting on Battle fatigues that's for sure, it will be someone else's next of kin putting their lives on the line!
Mr Cameron had his fingers burnt in Libya backing the wrong people in that conflict?
Be careful what you wish for Dave?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.11.15 18:23

@willowthewisp wrote:
@comperedna wrote:Willowthewisp... I live in the PM's constituency and the local press says we ARE getting refugees here and soon. OK, not the first plane load.
Hi comperedna,

Do you bump into the fragrant Rebekah Brooks...
Some other major figures in the 'Chipping Norton set' in this Daily Mail article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3243870/The-secrets-Dave-s-Chipping-Snorton-set-Drugs-parties-gilded-world-Cotswold-elite-s-oh-home-with.html

...though for obvious reasons it's generally known as the 'Chipping Snorton set'

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Post by Sophiebubbles on 18.11.15 20:21

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Sorry Tony, there were lots of other versions of Christianity.

You might find the books and lectures of Bart Erhman very interesting.

Especially this one:



Constantine did a real job.

He recognised a good control mechanism when he saw it.

The 'version' the Bible gives us is plain.

God created the universe, the earth and all that is within them.

He gave Adam and Eve a set of rules.

They willfully rebelled and broke them.

Ever since, all of mankind is infected with a tendency to sin: 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".

God found a way to remedy our plight by providing a Saviour, a Redeemer, God the Eternal Son, Jesus Christ, whose sacrifice meant that those who believe in Him and sincerely repent of their sins can be forgiven and can be changed.

And Christ will return one day and all the world will face a Day of Judgment.

There is no other 'variation' of 'version' of the essentials of the faith than that; that and only that can be extracted from the Bible.

Anything that contradicts that is simply not Christianity.



@Tony Bennett ....You are very well versed and read regarding the bible Tony ...a great theologian.  I think that is why I respect your views and writings on topics and matters, you have no other agenda apart from achieving the truth, your views are not and cannot be the thinking of everyone, but behind those views there is a very honest and just man...I take my hat of to you, you work very hard for justice and have succeeded on behalf of others whom I am sure feel indebted to you.  When you walk the path you walk....it will sometimes be a lonely one for you as there are too few selfless people walking along with you. You are very true to yourself...walk tall.


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Post by Sophiebubbles on 18.11.15 20:56

@Sophiebubbles wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Sorry Tony, there were lots of other versions of Christianity.

You might find the books and lectures of Bart Erhman very interesting.

Especially this one:



Constantine did a real job.

He recognised a good control mechanism when he saw it.

The 'version' the Bible gives us is plain.

God created the universe, the earth and all that is within them.

He gave Adam and Eve a set of rules.

They willfully rebelled and broke them.

Ever since, all of mankind is infected with a tendency to sin: 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".

God found a way to remedy our plight by providing a Saviour, a Redeemer, God the Eternal Son, Jesus Christ, whose sacrifice meant that those who believe in Him and sincerely repent of their sins can be forgiven and can be changed.

And Christ will return one day and all the world will face a Day of Judgment.

There is no other 'variation' of 'version' of the essentials of the faith than that; that and only that can be extracted from the Bible.

Anything that contradicts that is simply not Christianity.



@Tony Bennett ....You are very well versed and read regarding the bible Tony ...a great theologian.  I think that is why I respect your views and writings on topics and matters, you have no other agenda apart from achieving the truth, your views are not and cannot be the thinking of everyone, but behind those views there is a very honest and just man...I take my hat of to you, you work very hard for justice and have succeeded on behalf of others whom I am sure feel indebted to you.  When you walk the path you walk....it will sometimes be a lonely one for you as there are too few selfless people walking along with you. You are very true to yourself...walk tall.


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Post by Sophiebubbles on 18.11.15 21:39

Thanks again........I'm making you work tonight, sorry again!

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Post by Joss on 19.11.15 4:40

With all the strife going on in the world since 9/11 that has escalated into what we have today, the downing of passenger planes, the so called terror installations that do their thing in various countries, the Governments ramping up their war on terror, isn't this the apocolypse the world has been expecting now for a long time according to their bible prophecies? Isn't this the Revelations people have been waiting for that are now coming to fruition?
In that regard the prophecies are being fulfilled aren't they? And what does all that mean, that the world as we have known it is ending isn't it? Are we all going out with a big bang or what? Seems to me like our days are numbered for sure. Where will the next terror event happen in the world? Watch this space......

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Post by Sophiebubbles on 19.11.15 8:22

@Joss wrote:With all the strife going on in the world since 9/11 that has escalated into what we have today, the downing of passenger planes, the so called terror installations that do their thing in various countries, the Governments ramping up their war on terror, isn't this the apocolypse the world has been expecting now for a long time according to their bible prophecies? Isn't this the Revelations people have been waiting for that are now coming to fruition?
In that regard the prophecies are being fulfilled aren't they? And what does all that mean, that the world as we have known it is ending isn't it? Are we all going out with a big bang or what? Seems to me like our days are numbered for sure. Where will the next terror event happen in the world? Watch this space......


@ Joss     I never thought I would see the apocolypse in my lifetime, although was aware that a vast amount of bible prophecies were appearing to come to fruition.  I have a friend who studies the bible and she raised this very subject with me last wednesday.  She was telling me that there is not much left to come to fruition...re book of Revelation. I have to say it was quite a scary conversation for me, but couldn't quite reassure myself that what she was telling me was only the thinking of a friend as like Tony she can quote verbatim.

As she told me no one knows when our Creator will reveal Himself, but it certainly looks like our days are indeed numbered.

Not a cheery thought to start the day, but as she put it to me.......there will be no more death, sickness, evil, poverty, wars, hatred and everyone shall be saved who deserves to be saved and live in happiness.........sounds like the perfect life we have all been promised (whether you believe in our Creator or not) It is how you have lived your own life that matters to Him (I suppose that part maybe my own belief...not sure)........It's the getting to that point that worries the hell out of me (no pun intended lol) 

Man has taken a rise out of God.....just my own plain speak......Like Madeleine justice needs serving for all.

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Post by BlueBag on 19.11.15 8:36

"It's the Apocalypse" has been trotted out over and over and over for centuries.

It's always the Apocalypse.

Actually it's never the Apocalypse.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.11.15 8:50

@Sophiebubbles wrote:
@Joss wrote:With all the strife going on in the world since 9/11 that has escalated into what we have today, the downing of passenger planes, the so called terror installations that do their thing in various countries, the Governments ramping up their war on terror, isn't this the apocolypse the world has been expecting now for a long time according to their bible prophecies? Isn't this the Revelations people have been waiting for that are now coming to fruition?
In that regard the prophecies are being fulfilled aren't they? And what does all that mean, that the world as we have known it is ending isn't it? Are we all going out with a big bang or what? Seems to me like our days are numbered for sure. Where will the next terror event happen in the world? Watch this space......

@ Joss     I never thought I would see the apocolypse in my lifetime, although was aware that a vast amount of Bible prophecies were appearing to come to fruition.  I have a friend who studies the Bible and she raised this very subject with me last Wednesday.  She was telling me that there is not much left to come to fruition...

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These facts from biblical prophecy about Christ's return may surprise you:


1 - One out of every 30 verses in the Bible mentions the subject of Christ's return or the end of time. 

2 - Of the 216 chapters in the New Testament, there are well over 300 references to the return of Christ. 

3 - 23 of the 27 New Testament books mention Christ's return.

4 - In the Old Testament, such well-known and reliable men of God as Job, Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, as well as most of the minor prophets mention Christ's return in their writings.

5 - Christ often spoke specifically about His own return to earth.

6 - Throughout the centuries, Christ's disciples and followers have adamantly believed, written, and taught that Christ would someday return to earth.

The Bible teaches it. The Lord Jesus stood upon its truths. The apostles declared it and wrote about it. The creeds include it and affirm it.  Quite obviously, His return has not been considered an insignificant issue through the centuries. But the strange thing is that many Christians in this generation either ignore it or are somehow confused by it. Too bad. It is a marvellous truth.
 
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Scriptural Support for Christ's Return" (used by permission). 

http://www.jesus.org/early-church-history/promise-of-the-second-coming/does-the-bible-teach-that-jesus-will-return.html

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Everyone shall be saved who deserves to be saved...

REPLY: No true Christian believes they 'deserve' to be saved. On the contrary, by the grace of God we recognise that we are sinners by nature and do not deserve to be saved:  "They that be whole need not a physician, but those who are sick", the words of Christ in Matthew 9 v 10    

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Post by Joss on 19.11.15 12:04

@BlueBag wrote:"It's the Apocalypse" has been trotted out over and over and over for centuries.

It's always the Apocalypse.

Actually it's never the Apocalypse.
I think if we were living in the war torn countries right now we would think it was the end of the world with our loved ones slaughtered in front of us, and our country's infrastructure obliterated. In fact for many many people there it was the end of their world as they knew it.
I read an article today that said 90% of Palestinian children have lost the will to live, Sad

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Post by Joss on 19.11.15 12:15

@Sophiebubbles wrote:
@Joss wrote:With all the strife going on in the world since 9/11 that has escalated into what we have today, the downing of passenger planes, the so called terror installations that do their thing in various countries, the Governments ramping up their war on terror, isn't this the apocolypse the world has been expecting now for a long time according to their bible prophecies? Isn't this the Revelations people have been waiting for that are now coming to fruition?
In that regard the prophecies are being fulfilled aren't they? And what does all that mean, that the world as we have known it is ending isn't it? Are we all going out with a big bang or what? Seems to me like our days are numbered for sure. Where will the next terror event happen in the world? Watch this space......


@ Joss     I never thought I would see the apocolypse in my lifetime, although was aware that a vast amount of bible prophecies were appearing to come to fruition.  I have a friend who studies the bible and she raised this very subject with me last wednesday.  She was telling me that there is not much left to come to fruition...re book of Revelation. I have to say it was quite a scary conversation for me, but couldn't quite reassure myself that what she was telling me was only the thinking of a friend as like Tony she can quote verbatim.

As she told me no one knows when our Creator will reveal Himself, but it certainly looks like our days are indeed numbered.

Not a cheery thought to start the day, but as she put it to me.......there will be no more death, sickness, evil, poverty, wars, hatred and everyone shall be saved who deserves to be saved and live in happiness.........sounds like the perfect life we have all been promised (whether you believe in our Creator or not) It is how you have lived your own life that matters to Him (I suppose that part maybe my own belief...not sure)........It's the getting to that point that worries the hell out of me (no pun intended lol) 

Man has taken a rise out of God.....just my own plain speak......Like Madeleine justice needs serving for all.
Sophie, I appreciate what you're saying, and i agree the world is changing and not for the better it seems. Or is it just history repeating itself? I feel though if we don't start demanding better things for the planet we will become extinct. I think human beings are one of the most destructive forces on the earth because other life forms live in harmony and we don't, and it will be to our detriment, its as simple as that IMO.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.11.15 20:12

President Vladimir Putin gets religious:

QUOTE news item today:

Earlier this week Russian President Vladimir Putin said, “To forgive the terrorists is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me.”

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