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Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia

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Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia

Post by sharonl on 13.08.15 23:34

Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia





http://news.sky.com/story/1535240/lord-janner-to-appear-in-court-despite-dementia

Lawyers say forcing someone with advanced dementia to appear is "barbaric, inhuman and uncivilised" - but judges disagree.
17:24, UK, Thursday 13 August 2015


Lawyers for Lord Janner have lost a High Court bid to stop him having to attend court to face child abuse charges.

The peer and former Labour MP, who suffers from dementia, has been ordered to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Friday.
His legal team said forcing him to attend was unlawful and violated his human rights.
"It's barbaric, inhuman and uncivilised to expose a very vulnerable person to this experience," they said during an hour-long hearing.
They added that a court appearance was "potentially dangerous" and would run the risk of injury.
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Lord Janner faces 22 charges relating to offences alleged to have taken place between the 1960s and the 1980s.
Lawyers wanted the hearing postponed in order to seek a judicial review of the decision that the former MP must attend.
The dispute has given one of the first insights into the 87-year-old's health.
Lord Janner was described by his team as "a very frail elderly man who has developed symptoms of Parkinson's disease".
The went on: "He no longer goes out for the most part. He has virtually no language left. He shows signs of anger and irritability, shouting and waving arms and grimacing."
The judge asked Lord Janner's legal team what they made of the argument that their client should appear so that justice was seen to be open.




Video: June: Janner Could Face Prosecution - see link above

They responded: "If the cost of public justice is the undignified spectacle, we think the balance is overwhelmingly tilted to respecting his rights and not providing open justice at any cost."
Despite their arguments, Lady Justice Rafferty and her peers "unhesitatingly concluded" that the balance between human rights and "the public interest in public justice" came down in favour of attendance for a brief period.
Lord Janner's lawyers say they will not appeal.
The peer, whose full title is Baron Janner of Braunstone, was a QC and then MP for Leicester West until his retirement from the House of Commons in 1997 when he joined the Lords.
He has been on a leave of absence from the Lords since October 2014 as a result of his illness.

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Post by aquila on 14.08.15 8:54

I have a feeling Janner will be present in court today. For many reasons this is the best thing that could happen for him, the establishment and Alison Saunders in particular in order to string out the case until he's dead and gone. Bring him along today, show how frail he is. There's already been pre-announcement of his fragility and he might even be likely to bursts of anger. The stage is set. A doddery person in his dotage, suffering from Alzheimers and now having his human rights questioned by his no doubt, top notch and very expensive legal team.

Bring along the UK Press to photograph the poor old sick and witless person arriving at court.

None of it matters as the case ought to have been brought before a court a long time ago. The case itself is a paper tiger.

I'm just stating the bleeding obvious as usual.

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Post by willowthewisp on 14.08.15 10:48

Lord Granville Janner, failed to appear at the Court this morning and as of yet no Police have promptly made their way into his abode to arrest him!?
The former QC knows how to use the penal system with regard to his "Human rights" but what of the abused children do they not have the same Human rights to seek Justice for wrong doing?
Isn't it quite appropriate that MP's are on their summer break, when the Court has summoned the Accused to Court and the DPP/ CPS Alison Saunders are not available for comments to the case?

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Re: Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia

Post by aquila on 14.08.15 10:55

@willowthewisp wrote:Lord Granville Janner, failed to appear at the Court this morning and as of yet no Police have promptly made their way into his abode to arrest him!?
The former QC knows how to use the penal system with regard to his "Human rights" but what of the abused children do they not have the same Human rights to seek Justice for wrong doing?
Isn't it quite appropriate that MP's are on their summer break, when the Court has summoned the Accused to Court and the DPP/ CPS Alison Saunders are not available for comments to the case?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3197581/Lord-Janner-avoid-walking-court-face-child-sex-abuse-charges-lawyers-apply-appear-video-link-instead.html

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Post by BlueBag on 14.08.15 11:03

He's not going to court.

He will have a string of doctors saying he can't.

There will be appeals that go on and on.

Then he will be dead.

No court case.

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Post by willowthewisp on 14.08.15 11:13

Hi Aquila,
Let there be no doubt about it that if Lord Janner doe's eventually appear before a court, he will no doubt have to receive his "appropriate Medication", administered prior to his appearance and his being in such a frail condition, may not be made fully aware of the charges against him?

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Re: Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia

Post by Rufus T on 14.08.15 11:44

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33923041
Lord Janner has failed to appear at court to face child sex abuse charges, despite the High Court ruling he must attend a hearing.
The 87-year-old, who has dementia, had been due at Westminster Magistrates' Court in relation to 22 charges spanning the 1960s to the 1980s.
His lawyer told the court he would try to "facilitate" an appearance by the peer later, adding he wanted him to appear via video link from his home.
His family says he is innocent.

'Adverse reaction'

Lord Janner's lawyer, Paul Ozin, said a live link from the peer's home would be the option that was "least likely" to cause the peer to suffer.
Mr Ozin added: "There is evidence that moving him carries with it a risk of an adverse reaction to him, or other harm."
If it was not possible for the link to be done from his home, a live link could also be carried out from within the court building - which would be less intimidating than appearing in the dock - or from a police station, Mr Ozin said.
But prosecutor Louise Oakley said live links were only permitted for giving evidence from police stations when someone was in custody - which Lord Janner is not.
She suggested the peer could appear at Wood Green Crown Court instead, a court closer to his home.
Deputy chief magistrate, Emma Arbuthnot, said she had been in touch with the court and it would be possible for Lord Janner to use a back entrance to attend a hearing there.
The BBC's home affairs correspondent, Danny Shaw, described the situation as "quite extraordinary", adding that what was likely to be a very brief court appearance had turned into a "legal saga".
He said it was clear Lord Janner's lawyers wanted him to appear in "some form or another" and that they had "moved back" from their position of saying he was too ill to attend.
The case has been adjourned while the options are considered.

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Post by sallypelt on 14.08.15 11:54

@Rufus T wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33923041
Lord Janner has failed to appear at court to face child sex abuse charges, despite the High Court ruling he must attend a hearing.
The 87-year-old, who has dementia, had been due at Westminster Magistrates' Court in relation to 22 charges spanning the 1960s to the 1980s.
His lawyer told the court he would try to "facilitate" an appearance by the peer later, adding he wanted him to appear via video link from his home.
His family says he is innocent.

'Adverse reaction'





Lord Janner's lawyer, Paul Ozin, said a live link from the peer's home would be the option that was "least likely" to cause the peer to suffer.
Mr Ozin added: "There is evidence that moving him carries with it a risk of an adverse reaction to him, or other harm."
If it was not possible for the link to be done from his home, a live link could also be carried out from within the court building - which would be less intimidating than appearing in the dock - or from a police station, Mr Ozin said.
But prosecutor Louise Oakley said live links were only permitted for giving evidence from police stations when someone was in custody - which Lord Janner is not.
She suggested the peer could appear at Wood Green Crown Court instead, a court closer to his home.
Deputy chief magistrate, Emma Arbuthnot, said she had been in touch with the court and it would be possible for Lord Janner to use a back entrance to attend a hearing there.
The BBC's home affairs correspondent, Danny Shaw, described the situation as "quite extraordinary", adding that what was likely to be a very brief court appearance had turned into a "legal saga".
He said it was clear Lord Janner's lawyers wanted him to appear in "some form or another" and that they had "moved back" from their position of saying he was too ill to attend.
The case has been adjourned while the options are considered.
So the sick, frail  octogenarian is "innocent"?  In the words of the a  late Mandy Rice-Davies, [they] would say that, wouldn't [they]

I can't for the life of me, get my head around WHY anyone would make such false claims against an old man..............unless it is true. The courts will have to be careful as to how they get this "sick man" through its doors. They could be setting a precedent that could open the floodgates for all who come after Jenner.

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Post by willowthewisp on 14.08.15 15:10

Hi Gogetermgoncalo,
Lord Janner seemed rather delighted in his appearance at court, the "Appropriate Medication working fine"OO! Must have thought he was back in the Lords collecting his expenses £300 per day, not bad when most pensioner's have to get by on £120-180 per week?
Congratulations to the Judge in her judgement of him appearing in person this time and I am sure that will be the last time we get to seem him in Court, future appearances via video links from his home.
"Birds of Feather stick together" Old boy's network!?
I do not suppose any of the abused children were their to see his brief appearance?

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Post by ChippyM on 14.08.15 17:44

In the 90s, Janner was accused but got a standing ovation when returning to parliament. If one of your work colleagues was accused of abusing kids in children's homes, wouldn't you want him to be questioned and answer the charges in court? Even if they thought he was innocent, how could you not question why Janner was even in contact with boys in children's homes? What is wrong with these people?!

"In that trial, a woman, herself alleging abuse by Beck, reported hearing an argument between a boy and Beck about visiting ‘a man called Greville Janner’ (Craig Seton, ‘Woman and two men accuse care officer of sex abuse’, The Times, September 27th, 1991). The boy apparently boasted that that he was a rent boy (Ian Katz, ”Abuse victims’ tell of their childhood torment’, The Guardian, September 27th, 1991). Beck then alleged that Janner had ‘buggered and abused’ one boy ‘for two solid years’ (‘MP Janner abuse child, says sex case man’, Press Association, October 30th, 1991; ‘Home boss says MP abused boy’, The Times, October 31st, 1991; ‘Man in sex trial accuses Greville Janner of abuse’, The Independent, October 31st, 1991). Beck said ‘I had spent two years putting right the damage that man had done to that boy and he (Janner) had the bloody audacity to complain to me because the boy had been down to London and met him accidentally. I was incensed’, that Janner had written to Beck, and the letter had been put on the boy’s social services file (”I wrote to MP over abused boy’ – children’s home chief’, Press Association, October 31st, 1991; ‘Sex trial man ‘wrote to MP over abused boy’, The Independent, November 1st, 1991; Ian Katz, ‘Home chief says he wrote to MP about abused boy’, The Guardian, November 1st, 1991).
  Beck then denied in court attempting to blackmail Janner over the relationship, and that he had tried to bring Janner and the boy together in 1989, claiming instead that Janner had sent the boy £50 (‘Children’s home head denies trying to blackmail MP’, The Guardian, November 2nd, 1991). A few days later, Beck claimed that the police were hiding an affair between the boy (identified as aged 15 at the end of the affair) and Janner, about who the police had told him they knew, that the boy had stayed with Janner in the Holiday Inn in Leicester, that Beck wrote to Janner after the boy had married and become a father, thinking that Janner might feel guilty enough to help the boy find employment. Throughout, Janner’s lawyers made clear that they had advised him not to comment during the trial"

https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/08/08/decision-not-to-arrest-greville-janner-in-1991-then-attorney-general-and-dpp-need-to-answer-questions/

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Post by willowthewisp on 14.08.15 18:08

The very same Lord Janner, who had close friends within the Leicstershire Police force who went after Mr Frank Beck, after not proceeding to charge GJ and whilst waiting for his appeals trail, died of a suspected heart attack within the prison grounds, who prior to his sentence had no History of medical problems?
Mr Becks Solicitor who the Police were harassing died in a car crash accident shortly after Mr Becks death, the car was never traced?
So two people who knew about the potential trail evidence against GJ suddenly meet their demise in strange circumstances?
Anyone remember Mr Vaz and the speech in Parliament over the child abuse allegations,GJ and the Committee he now sits on?

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Re: Lord Janner To Appear In Court Despite Dementia

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 14.08.15 19:01

UK Justice Forum
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Question is now. Who lied to Court claiming Lord Janner WAS TOO ILL to appear in Court?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.08.15 12:55

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:UK Justice Forum
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Question is now.  Who lied to Court claiming Lord Janner WAS TOO ILL to appear in Court?

'Our' favourite DPP, AS?

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