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Richard D Hall's 4.5 hour film on Madeleine sweeps past quarter of a milion views on YouTube

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.01.15 15:46

A check just now shows that Richard Hall's film on Madeleine's disappearance, 'Buried', has chalked up 251,412 views on YouTube since it was launched just four months ago in August.

But if you include views on his dedicated site www.madeleinedocumentary.com plus views of his boxed sets of DVDs which are for sale, the total number of views is well over half a million.

9 different people uploaded 26 different Richard Hall YouTube vids, below are the current views for each of them:


48,932 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 8 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4

47,791 Morph314, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjPcvmVzUo

24,433 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY5FHP-K20

22,315 DianeDi, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTsMrU-nIk

18,833 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YovQ1TY64Sk

10,906 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYselPjtKQ

9,883 Stu Sydenham, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3uKRWNDRw

9,183 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_OMY7cBcQ

7,754 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_-oJCmrtM

7,666 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg

7,005 Hideho, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRrwML4gmR8

6,636 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUbnnbjN90U  

5,434 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZedL8tLPU  

5,203 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IznVTHf6IDA

4,038 Hideho, 14 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBeWr0yZ7A   

3,787 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1goSfNVlUw   

3,472 Hideho, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am_wxOftFlA

2,878 Hideho, 14 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCw23s6Y8A   

1,383 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014 htps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZtNR87cJqY&index=3&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE       
 
1,162 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um_fKJP2ek8&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE

1,148 De Tendresse, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEGIsBzTxk&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE&index=4        

942 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMR3M1aSquM

179 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACG8yCnhieQ&list=UUvSGsk2zco3ULT55FW65ytw

159 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOorSST6tIk   

151 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJlOlIXjPQc&list=UUvSGsk2zco3ULT55FW65ytw     

139 Ann Branley, 18 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ueZQufXBO4

 

251,412 views to 3pm, 9 January 2015


I understand he is preparing another Madeleine film for release in his Spring Tour

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Post by pennylane on 09.01.15 17:12

Thank you Tony, excellent news! 

Looking forward to Richard Hall's next Madeleine film release during his Spring Tour! clapping1

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Post by PeterMac on 09.01.15 17:18

Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said . . .
" Eerrrm, umm,  err, you know,  oh, yes, found it, - it says here -
That's another quarter of a million people who do now know know that everyone else is wrong . . .
-   was that right, Jeering and Hate ?   Did I do that well ?

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Post by Johanna Renstein on 10.01.15 16:05

Since Richard Hall made exactly the same mistakes Tony Bennett does, I assume this sequel will also be another of his visions transfered to celluloid.

It would be great if these mistakes were corrected before more are going to be made.

Hall is still claiming (as dictated by Bennett) that RM "for mysterious reasons (lol) booked a flight at midnight of April 30th" which he didn't he booked it shortly after 9 am on the morning of April 30th. But since this is one of the legs the unfound allegations stand on, it might never get corrected.

I would not want to associate with such a report full of misinformation. It is only good to give ammunition to the notion that "we" are all loons that work far away from the facts.

Accuracy is of utmost importance, but it seems that some deem it unneccesary in order to promote their own agenda.

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Post by Guest on 10.01.15 16:23

Perhaps you should contact RH and point out his mistakes.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 20:47

@Johanna Renstein wrote:I would not want to associate with such a report...It is only good to give ammunition to the notion that "we" are all loons that work far away from the facts.
Looks like all these folk must be wrong, then?

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The film continues to receive many endorsements.

This YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pffpEDK6fE which endorses Hall's video as 'absoluetly brilliant' has had 28,608 views to date.

UK Column featured the DVD on its TV Channel recently.

The website 'MUST WATCH FILMS' has now endorsed Hall's film as follows:

"THE FILM BELOW IS A SUPERB MUST WATCH !!! Created by Richard D Hall a very sharp Truth Researcher and this is a Real Eye Opener"

http://nibiru-elenin.com/index.php/must-watch-films/148-the-mccann-portugal-job-a-film-about-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-on-3rd-may-2007



Hall's film is located on 26 YouTube uploads. Some allow comments, some do not.

This upload, a month ago, had attracted 712 comments so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjPcvmVzUo

It's apparent from many comments that this film has brought an alternative on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann to an entirely new audience:


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712 comments

Ann L

Very well put together, and interesting. I always believed Madeleine was abducted, having watched this program I have changed my mind. God bless you Madeleine, please God the truth comes out. i believe the dogs! and ONLY the DOGS!!!

Angel mush

I'M SO PLEASED YOU MADE THIS ... THANK YOU SO MUCH XXXX POOR BABY XX

nonymouseketeamster

I'm not from the UK, and I'm only peripherally aware of what's going on in mainstream media, but even this was something I knew about. When this story broke there was something "fishy" about the whole thing, and I hoped that maybe someday some light would be shed on the whole ordeal. Until then, I decided to consider all the reporting suspect, especially when it came from the McCann camp. This film and the documentary adaption by the Portuguese policeman who had written a book about the case, have really made a lot of sense, and filled in the gaps including the absolutely baffling and seemingly random leads reported in the media. Great job. I still can't say for sure what occurred, but I'd bet good money the McCanns know

Norfolk Enchants

A while watching it, but I have finished the video and it has brought up many, many things that I had no clue about and I found it very interesting.

Sarah Purnell

Bless that poor lass, all of these people should be ashamed of their involvement in so blatant a lie and subsequent scam. We'll probably never know the real reasons for the govts involvement but we can rest assured that there was something big going on here for continued dash to support these people. I wonder if the truth will ever come out? Doubt it. It's poor Maddie and the babies left with these people that I feel sorry for...

Roy Mc Calvey

Spread the word and keep this video alive. The whole thing is WELL BEYOND being odd. Hope the McCanns don't come after me for this comment. The millions donated by the public to their company (its not a charity) make them formidable enemies to have. Good news is that 100's of questions are now being asked abt the disappearance of Madeleine by hundreds of thousands of people. Fingers in the dyke come to mind. The McCanns are going to run out of fingers soon, I think.
 
 
 

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Post by Guest on 10.01.15 21:07

@Johanna Renstein wrote:Hall is still claiming (as dictated by Bennett) that RM "for mysterious reasons (lol) booked a flight at midnight of April 30th" which he didn't he booked it shortly after 9 am on the morning of April 30th. But since this is one of the legs the unfound allegations stand on, it might never get corrected.

I think Johanna is making the point about Murat's flight, Tony.

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Post by PeterMac on 10.01.15 22:10

But since Madeleine was shown in the "Last Photo" alive and well at lunchtime on 3/5/7, the timing of the Murat booking is surely irrelevant . . .
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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.15 22:34

@admin wrote:
@Johanna Renstein wrote:Hall is still claiming (as dictated by Bennett) that RM "for mysterious reasons (lol) booked a flight at midnight of April 30th" which he didn't he booked it shortly after 9 am on the morning of April 30th. But since this is one of the legs the unfound allegations stand on, it might never get corrected.
I think Johanna is making the point about Murat's flight, Tony.
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Well, Johanna did make a point about Murat's flight, but she made a number of other very sweeping points as well, and I was dealing with one of those.

Let's just summarise her points, sweeping or otherwise:

1. Richard Hall makes mistakes and his film is 'full of misinformation'

2. He makes the same mistakes as Tony Bennett does

3. He should correct his mistakes before he does any more Madeleine films

4. Hall is still claiming that Murat booked his flight at midnight on 30 April whereas he did so at around 9.00am that morning

5. Tony Bennett dictated that to him

6. I do not wish to be associated with the promotion of Richard Hall's film 

7. His film suggests that we are all 'loons' who are 'far away from the facts'

8. Accuracy is of 'utmost importance'

9. These people (not sure if she means Richard Hall or both of us) don't care about accuracy because all they want to do is 'promote their own agenda'.


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I find it fascinating that out of the 'many mistakes' she refers to in the film, the only one she names is what time on 30 April Robert Murat booked his flight.

I would certainly agree that it's a detail one would want to get correct.

But even if Hall has got the time of the flight booking wrong, it doesn't change the fundamental point, admitted by both Robert Murat and Michaela Walczuk, that his flight was a hurried, unplanned booking. IIRC Murat said he had to book it in a hurry 'for business reasons' while Walczuk said it was 'to get Murat's divorce hurried up'. I'm not sure of the exact details, but it does appear that he was 'summoned' - perhaps by Michaela Walczuk, or maybe by someone else, sometime on 30 April. And told - 'Get over here pretyy damn quick'.

Actually, that (the booking on 30 April) is very interesting timing for anyone who has read through the recent 'Last Photo' thread on CMOMM and seen what is said about the probable date of the Last Photo.


Johanna Renstein has over the years made a number of attacks on me. I have had disagreements and have ongoing differences of viewpoint with others who, like Johanna, have put in a lot of time and effort into researching the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I try not to attack those I regard as essentially on the same side i.e. who are sincerely searching for the truth about Madeleine McCann.

And that's why I've never before made any adverse comment on Johanna's work.

However, on this occasion I will.

Below is an extract from her theory of what happened to Madeleine McCann. She produced it some time ago. I am not aware that she has changed it. 

I put on record that I think it is not only completely unsubstantiated, but also replete with numerous obvious contradictions and generally wholly implausible. Here it is:

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JOHANNA RENSTEIN'S [UNTERDENTEPPICHGEKEHRT] THEORY ON WHAT HAPPENED TO MADELEINE - EXTRACT


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The evening at the Tapas restaurant was planned as the time where the abduction should take place, giving them all an alibi via the waiters and Dianne Webster. It was because of her that the rush from the table had to be staged before the actual disposal of the body took place because she would have noticed an earlier absence of Gerry. A risky plan. As early as 21:30 - 21:45 it was instigated by Kate who came running to the Tapas area entrance shouting at the group. Gerry immediately sprinted off for his meeting with the Smith family. The others followed not before Fiona had instructed Dianne to stay at the table “in case Madeleine would come to look for them“.

Dianne talked to the waiter a fact which later produced the statements about an early alarm way before 22:00. After about 5 minutes Dianne went into the McCann's apartment where she did not encounter Gerry who was still on his way towards the rocks. She spent about 10 minutes in the apartment, before being sent off again by Fiona to collect their belongings at the Tapas again. By now Gerry was back and possibly did a quick „search“ around the pool area to account for his previous whereabouts. When Dianne came back to the apartment the second time he was also there and never went on a search again. At around 22:30 (almost an hour after the first rush from the table) Mrs. Fenn heard Kate screaming from the balcony - a cry which had followed the second alarm – the official one – that led to the phone call to the police. The early rush from the table and the late second alarm explain why different person's statements varied almost about an hour in the time they had heard of the disappearance.

The encounter with the Smith family had been a disaster. Suddenly Gerry needed an alibi because he had been away from the table at the time of the meeting. The time of the actual alarm had to be confused so much that they could boldly place it at 22:00, the time of the Smith sighting. Therefore Kate's screaming from the balcony. But this was not enough. A completely independent witness had to give Gerry an alibi at the exact time of the abduction. The only independent witness that night had been Jeremy Wilkins and the time Gerry had met him was nowhere near the time of the Smith encounter. But it had to do... Poor Jane Tanner had to tell the police of her sighting of the abductor at the exact same time she had also seen Gerry and Jez talking together. In order to make her "vision" less obvious Gerry placed his meeting with Jez at the other side of the road further down. This made way for Jane's sighting, would explain why Jez did not see her and would also purport the theory that 3 witnesses never completely agree in their statements. The fact that the poor abductor had to wander the streets of Praia da Luz in search for the sea for 45 minutes was a fact the police should rack their brains about. Matthew's badly concocted statement about his visit in 5A served as additional “evidence“ that she was taken away between Gerry's and Matthew's check, thus by Jane's egg-man.

To explain this check by Matt in the light of Dianne's strict statement that all parents checked on their own children alone, additional checks had to be invented for the previous days.
Russell had to state in his rogatory interview that he had checked on the McCann's and Oldfield's children on the Sunday with a key to the front door, which he later changed to a check in 5A via the patio door and in 5B via the front door with a key. ALTHOUGH Matt was supposedly sick that evening and inside the apartment.

This shows how devastating the Smith encounter was, how many "explanations" had to be created because of this stupid coincidence in a usually deserted dark alleyway.

What happened now during dinner? A time frame that had been under special scrutiny by the PJ because of the many discrepancies of those involved and the reconstruction of which had been denied by the same party.

During the day, a plan had been hatched. The kidnapping was to take place at the only time during the day when all friends would be together. At the dinner. Dianne Webster, as the only uninitiated witness, was supposed to confirm this to the police.

The plan was to remove the body from the apartment at 21:00, a time when parents, who dined at the tapas restaurant usually picked up their children from the children's club, often carrying them sleeping in their arms. Gerry had witnessed it live the night before with the parents at the next table and it would be a good disguise for him carrying Madeleine in the open. The kidnapping was planned for the period between 21:30 and 22:00, Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 21:30 should confirm that at that time everything was still fine.The original plan possibly involved a different route to the beach, one that would be consistent with the comings and goings of parents carrying their children. Possibly through the little lanes of the "shortcut" Gerry had described to the police.

At 21:00 almost all the friends were gathered in the restaurant. Matthew, of whom Dianne Webster was not sure to have seen him there, was in the process of checking the usually deserted streets and roads around the apartment block and returned shortly after 21:00 back to the table with the message that all was clear. Therefore Gerry immediately stood up to allegedly perform another check on the children. A meaningless endeavour, if it had been true. In fact, he was now going to bring the body to a pre-defined location, reachable within 30 minutes maximum including the return trip. When he was in the garden behind the house, he noticed Jeremy Wilkins coming up the street with his son in a buggy. Matt had not seen him before as Jeremy had been circling the block while trying to persuade his son to sleep.

Gerry had to cancel his trip and layed Maddie quickly down in a flower bed under the porch where later on cadaver odour was found. Gerry stepped out of the garden gate to chat with Jeremy and to distract him. When Jeremy moved on Gerry went back to the table in the restaurant.

Now, it was Russell O'Brien's turn to search the streets for pedestrians but it was getting late. After the end of the meal Dianne Webster would be the first to go into her apartment like the evenings before and would not be available as a witness any longer. Therefore they decided to keep to the schedule of an abduction between 21:30 and 22:00 but to dispose of the body AFTER Kate's enacted discovery that was triggered by Russell's return. The schedule would not change, the "kidnapping" would still have happened between 21:30 and 22:00 with Gerry at the table during that time. Only Dianne had to be prevented from storming with the others to the apartment and seeing Gerry as he disappeared with Maddie towards the sea. Therefore, Dianne's daughter gave her the order to stay at the table in case Maddie should appear there. The whole thing went ahead shortly before 22:00 and Gerry hurried with Maddie in his arms straight into the group of the Smith family. He tried a different, more quiet route now - to no avail.

Now the situation changed radically. Gerry had no alibi any more for the time of the encounter with the family. Jane Tanner, in panic of being sued for neglect in Portugal agreed to tell the story of the hijacker who was crossing the street at exactly the time when the only independent witness was talking with Gerry. The man who thwarted the plan the first time, had now to serve as an alibi witness.

The tension that resulted from the change in plans shows clearly in the first police interview of Gerry when he erroneously told them details of the original plan, namely, that Matthew had noticed the blinds closed during his alleged check at 21:30, although under the new plan the abduction should already have happened at that time. A change in the statement was later made on 10 May. Suddenly Matt had seen a little more light in the room than could be expected with lowered shutters. A meagre attempt to change an originally positive sighting into evidence that she had already been abducted at that time.

What happened now when Gerry ran into the group of the Smith family? He could be sure that at least one of them would remember the encounter when the media reports came in the next day. Furthermore he did not have an alibi for this time because officially he was searching for Madeleine around the resort. He had to return to the apartment immediately to show himself in front of Dianne and other persons. The 30 minutes planned for the removal would be far too long, so an intermediate place had to be found that would withstand the first searches and would have been relatively close to the Smith sighting. There was an abandoned house right at the crossing that has recently been mentioned by
Goncalo Amaral in a newspaper interview.

The body might have been placed there or in one of the other abandoned houses, but these places would not withstand a thorough search. In any case Gerry would have to be back at the Ocean's Club and was then seen by Dianne Webster when she entered the apartment for the second time that evening. During her first visit he had not been there.

Jane Tanner had now to be informed to give Gerry an alibi for the time of the abduction. The man she was supposed to describe had to resemble Gerry enough to correlate both sightings but had to be different enough to not be Gerry. Therefore especially the hair had to be changed. Egg-man got long hair at the back that would not have been noticed by the Smiths since they only saw the abductor with the child from the front.

During the search by police, staff, holidaymakers and residents the parents must have been desperate until the search finally died down at 4 am. They had now 2 hours during which everything was quiet.

Around 5 am. Gerry and Kate headed for the beach to allegedly do their first own search after their daughter's disappearance. There is nothing in the files about the locations they went. But there is a statement made by a
George Brooks who was heading by car from Lagos to Praia da Luz and saw a couple carrying a child in his headlight who took a flight towards a side street when he approached. This tallies perfectly with the statement of Yvonne Martin saying that Kate told her on the morning of May 4th that Maddie had been abducted by a couple. At this time Kate could hardly have known about this sighting by George Brooks and Gerry had been talking about a paedophile abduction the evening before.

In my humble opinion the body was now in a place that should give shelter for a longer period of time.


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Post by Johanna Renstein on 11.01.15 17:57

Thanks for reproducing (parts of) my theory which is based entirely on the facts from the files as you can see by the links I give for every major conclusion I drew out of them.

But where is the part in BLUE where you point out the contradictions and implausibilities?

Linking to the files seems to be a bad habit with me, something you successfully avoid. I try to let people judge for themselves if the conclusion I made are substantiated by the facts in the files whereas you generously keep that type of menial work from your readers. The odd "IIRC" or an "I'm not sure of the exact details..." should be suficient for the followers. Quotes are also helpful even if the content of the quote never appears in the files. 'Summoned' and 'Get over here pretyy damn quick' suggest actual quotes from the files to those that have never read them.

Same goes for the alleged "hurry" which is a cornerstone of your attempts to implicate one of at least 10 innocent people. Show me the hurry in the files. I know you could do quotes if you chose to...

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.01.15 20:16

@Johanna Renstein wrote:Linking to the files seems to be a bad habit with me, something you successfully avoid. I try to let people judge for themselves if the conclusion I made are substantiated by the facts in the files whereas you generously keep that type of menial work from your readers. The odd "IIRC" or an "I'm not sure of the exact details..." should be suficient for the followers. Quotes are also helpful even if the content of the quote never appears in the files. 'Summoned' and 'Get over here pretty damn quick' suggest actual quotes from the files to those that have never read them.

I know you could do quotes if you chose to...
For just two articles of mine here and elsewhere, fully sourced with quotes from the police files and elsewhere, Johanna, try these two:

SMITHMAN 4: A summary of discrepancies in what the Smiths say about their sighting:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10354-smithman-4-a-summary-of-discrepancies-in-what-the-smiths-say-about-their-sighting

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Was Wojcek Krokowski - 'Sagres Man' - the template for both Tannerman and Smithma?

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10602-was-wojcek-krokowski-sagres-man-with-a-camera-the-template-for-both-tannerman-and-smithman

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Post by Johanna Renstein on 12.01.15 21:40

sorry but I could not find any reference to files that mention Robert Murat being in a hurry to fly to Portugal.

You never really read them did you?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.01.15 1:01

@Johanna Renstein wrote:sorry but I could not find any reference to files that mention Robert Murat being in a hurry to fly to Portugal.

You never really read them did you?

@ Johanna

Back in 2010 I wrote a long article on Robert Murat titled: 'Robert Murat: From Arguido to Applause'. In preparation for that article of course I read the PJ files nd much else about Murat.

For your benefit and for the benefit of forum members, and in case there are any significant errors in what I wrote about Murat, here is the relevant section of my article:

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The myriad puzzles relating to Robert Murat’s subsequent involvement in the Madeleine McCann case begin with trying to explain his apparently sudden decision to fly from Exeter to Faro Airport, on the Algarve, at 7.00am on Tuesday 1 May. Murat has explained this as a response to his partner Michaela Walczuk urgently demanding him to see his solicitor in Portugal to finalise his divorce so that she and Murat could go ahead and marry. He had previously, he said, been planning to fly back out to Portugal on 9 May.

The flight booking was apparently made between 12midnight and 2am on Monday 1 May. Murat’s sister appears to have driven him to Exeter Airport between 4am and 5am that morning, so he could catch his flight. Why did Murat leave this booking to the last possible moment? The later you leave it, the more the risk of not finding a seat, and the price triples or even more. We conclude that the booking was made in a hurry.

There has therefore been some speculation that Murat was summoned to Portugal by ’phone during 30 April because something untoward had already happened in Praia da Luz. The Portuguese Police have made available certain telephone records relating to Robert Murat and his friends which have added to that speculation.

These records suggest that there was quite intense telephone activity on 30 April between the landline of the home of Robert Murat and his mother in Praia da Luz and two Exeter telephone numbers, one of them being his sister’s ’phone, where Robert appeared to have been staying at that time.

One ’phone call, to a U.K. landline just after 9.00am, lasted over an hour. Some of these calls were to a U.K. mobile ’phone. It could perhaps have been either his mother, or his girlfriend Michaela Walczuk, who was talking to Murat. Other records show that Michaela Walczuk was also very busy that morning [30 April] on her two mobiles, making several long ’phone calls instead of her usual short ones.

There appear to be some unusual aspects of some of the telephone records relating to the ‘Tapas 9’ prior to 3 May 2007. Jane Tanner appears to have received a call made at 4.12am on the previous day, Sunday 29 April.
There is a strange patterns of mobile calls made at around 10.00pm on Tuesday 1 May. We also know that Dr Gerald McCann received either 12 or 14 voicemail messages on 2 May, while Dr Kate McCann began wiping calls from her mobile on the same day. These are matters we hope to explore more fully in another article.

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I fully stand by this part of what I wrote about Robert Murat 'leaving in a hurry', namely:

"Why did Murat leave this booking to the last possible moment? The later you leave it, the more the risk of not finding a seat, and the price triples or even more. We conclude that the booking was made in a hurry".


On the subject of Murat having made his booking at 9.30am on 30 April, I freely concede that that was not something I was aware of at the time. I certainly understood that he had made his booking at about midnight 30 April/1 May.

I see others suggest that there were two internet contacts between Murat and Flybe, one in the morning of 30 April, and another contact, an online check-in, around midnight. I also freely confess that I am unsure where to locate these details.

However, I think we are agreed that:

1. Murat made his booking for his 7.00am flight from Exeter sometime on Monday 30 April

2. It was an unplanned booking, he had not booked it well in advance, and

3. It was prompted by one or more 'phone calls from Portugal. among them one or more from Michaela Walczuk. I deal with that in my article.

Now I'm not sure now where I read this, but I am certain that (a) Murat on one occasion was quoted as stating that he was summoned back to Portugal for business reasons - to 'save a business deal' or something and (b) that either Murat or Walczuk said that his haste was due to Walczuk insisting that he come over to discuss finalising his divorce.

If I have misremembered that, I am of course open to correcction.

We know the following about Murat:

1. He lied comprehensively about his movements between 1 and 4 May when first questioned by the PJ on 15 May

2. He had to correct his statement in at least 17 separate ways when re-interviewed on 10 & 11 July

3. On 8 May, a PJ inspector (Pedro Varanda) was incensed enough with his outrageous conduct during his translation work that he sent an urgent note to Goncalo Amaral accusing him  of: 

A ‘displaying an unusual curiosity about the investigation’
B ‘insistently - and repeatedly - questioned me about the identity of possible suspects’
C ‘insistently - and repeatedly - questioned me about the strategy outlined by the head  of the investigation’
D ‘insistently - and repeatedly - questioned me about and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days’
E ‘unusual and absolutely inappropriate’ behaviour
F ‘covertly trying to catch glimpses of various items being prepared for the case files’.

In addition, Murat displayed unusually detailed knowledge about the McCanns' movements that week.


For these and other reasons I consider that Murat's actions need to be put under the microscope and I am not yet persuaded that we have had a truthful answer from him on just why he suddenly, sometime on Monday 30 April, booked an early flight to Faro the following morning.

I answer here for my own article on Murat and not for Richard Hall. I do not know what he said about Murat's flight to Portugal without going back to look at his film. You must take that up with him direct if you feel he made a significant error there.

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Post by Joss on 13.01.15 2:37

TRANSLATED BY ALBYM
06-Processo Volume VI page 1467 to 1468
fax requesting information on flights taken by Robert Murat]
Information requested for all FlyBe travel by RM between UK and Faro for 2007.
06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1467
06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1468
Processos Vol VI

Pages 1467 ? 1468


Fax

To. The Assistant National Director

From Inspector Barroso, Faro Airport

Date: 17-05-2007

Subject: Passenger History

I am sending the report prepared by Flybe of Robert Murat?s flight history of trips made between the UK-Faro-UK since the beginning of the year to the current date.

With compliments

Inspector Barroso
Table with flight information in English:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

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Post by Johanna Renstein on 13.01.15 23:01

I was about to post a reply about TB's theories basing on wrong data from the files he himself never even saw. About the wrong misconception of "hurry" and "summon" because of his own phantasies. Of what bad research (or rather none at all) can do in such a case. With links and all...

But then I happened to stumble upon the scaring anti-islam posts and decided to give it up. This is a scary place and gets scarier every day...

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.01.15 0:52

Johanna comes on here, after Richard Hall's documentary has been out for 4 months, claiming it is 'full of mistakes'.

Not that anyone apart from Johanna appears to have noticed all these 'mistakes'.

As her No. 1 error that she identifies in his film, she cites what time of day it was on Monday 30 April 2007 that Robert Murat booked his flight to Faro at 7.00am the following morning.

She criticises by far and away the most informative and most watched documentary on Madeleine's disappearance that's been published for years, then nit-picks about what time of day it was on 30 April that Murat booked his flight.

Then she makes another attack on my alleged 'wrong misconceptions', 'phantasises' and 'bad research' - whilst not deigning to give any examples as to how, if at all, any of these sweeping generalisations are justified by anything in the extract I published up the thread of my article on Murat.

Finally, she flounces off the most widely-read Madeleine McCann forum on the internet simply because a few members here have dared to make criticisms of Islamists - who are murdering innocent people in several parts of the world at the moment.

Hall's film is watched by around another 2,000 people a day at present and is thus reaching a new audience and informing them of a whole array of facts they never knew before.

What a shame Johanna can't promote a film that over half a million people have already viewed, instead of sifting 4.5 hours of film to see if she can find an error in it somewhere.

It is most strange behaviour for someone who purports to be dedicated to uncovering the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann

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Post by Knitted on 14.01.15 1:41

@Tony Bennett wrote:[snipped] It is most strange behaviour for someone who purports to be dedicated to uncovering the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann
... I think we can all safely say that the world is full of strange behaviours that don't make sense. Speaking of which, on the spectrum of 'strangeness' some of strangest and most unfathomable that I've ever seen were/are the behaviours exhibited by the Doctors McCann in relation to the 'disappearance' of their daughter, Madeleine.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 14.01.15 9:34

@Tony Bennett wrote: I do not know what he said about Murat's flight to Portugal without going back to look at his film. You must take that up with him direct if you feel he made a significant error there.
IIRC Richard D Hall has a small piece in on of the four films that mentions Murat and that he booked his flight to Faro late on 30 April 2014 for the following morning. He talks about Murat's 17 lies and these were told because Murat was too tired to tell the truth on 15 May. He goes on to say that one of the lies was to cover that Murat was actually at Palmares Golf Course between Alvor & Lagos next to Meia Praia beach on the afternoon of 2 May. Also that Murat & GM turned off their mobiles within 6 minutes of each other on 2 May at 3pm and didn't turn them back on until 11pm on 3 May. Hall states that it is believed McCann was with Murat at Palmares GC on the afternoon of 2 May - he makes it clear that this is believed i.e not corroborated.

All of the above is in the published PJ files apart from the last bit, but who knows what is in the unpublished versions.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 14.01.15 9:39

Johanna Renstei wrote:

But then I happened to stumble upon the scaring anti-islam posts and decided to give it up. This is a scary place and gets scarier every day...
offtopic  add this to those threads & argue your point there, if you don't mind. That is, if such topics exist huh

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 14.01.15 9:47

@Knitted wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:[snipped] It is most strange behaviour for someone who purports to be dedicated to uncovering the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann
... I think we can all safely say that the world is full of strange behaviours that don't make sense. Speaking of which, on the spectrum of 'strangeness' some of strangest and most unfathomable that I've ever seen were/are the behaviours exhibited by the Doctors McCann in relation to the 'disappearance' of their daughter, Madeleine.
agree

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Post by LombardySkeptik on 14.01.15 18:29

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote: I do not know what he said about Murat's flight to Portugal without going back to look at his film. You must take that up with him direct if you feel he made a significant error there.
IIRC Richard D Hall has a small piece in on of the four films that mentions Murat and that he booked his flight to Faro late on 30 April 2014 for the following morning. He talks about Murat's 17 lies and these were told because Murat was too tired to tell the truth on 15 May. He goes on to say that one of the lies was to cover that Murat was actually at Palmares Golf Course between Alvor & Lagos next to Meia Praia beach on the afternoon of 2 May. Also that Murat & GM turned off their mobiles within 6 minutes of each other on 2 May at 3pm and didn't turn them back on until 11pm on 3 May. Hall states that it is believed McCann was with Murat at Palmares GC on the afternoon of 2 May - he makes it clear that this is believed i.e not corroborated.

All of the above is in the published PJ files apart from the last bit, but who knows what is in the unpublished versions.

errant nonsense in bold

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 15.01.15 8:54

So the data provided by telecommunication operators is errant nonsense? Could you please elaborate on how you know the phone records are wrong? Thank you in advance.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 15.01.15 9:18

@LombardySkeptik wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote: I do not know what he said about Murat's flight to Portugal without going back to look at his film. You must take that up with him direct if you feel he made a significant error there.
IIRC Richard D Hall has a small piece in on of the four films that mentions Murat and that he booked his flight to Faro late on 30 April 2014 for the following morning. He talks about Murat's 17 lies and these were told because Murat was too tired to tell the truth on 15 May. He goes on to say that one of the lies was to cover that Murat was actually at Palmares Golf Course between Alvor & Lagos next to Meia Praia beach on the afternoon of 2 May. Also that Murat & GM turned off their mobiles within 6 minutes of each other on 2 May at 3pm and didn't turn them back on until 11pm on 3 May. Hall states that it is believed McCann was with Murat at Palmares GC on the afternoon of 2 May - he makes it clear that this is believed i.e not corroborated.

All of the above is in the published PJ files apart from the last bit, but who knows what is in the unpublished versions.

errant nonsense in bold
No, it's there in the film - part 4 towards the end. But thanks for your concerns.

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'BURIED' - 271,138 views to date, rising by more than 1,000 every day

Post by Tony Bennett on 30.01.15 16:52

@Tony Bennett wrote:A check just now shows that Richard Hall's film on Madeleine's disappearance, 'Buried', has chalked up 251,412 views on YouTube since it was launched just four months ago in August.

But if you include views on his dedicated site www.madeleinedocumentary.com plus views of his boxed sets of DVDs which are for sale, the total number of views is well over half a million.

9 different people uploaded 26 different Richard Hall YouTube vids, below are the current views for each of them [SNIPPED]:
A quick check just now showed that Hall's film has had a total of 271,138 YouTube views to date. 

The rate at which his films are viewed on YouTube has slowed a little, since about a fortnight before Christmas. But with over 30,000 new views so far in the 30 days of January, the rate is still over 1,000 new views every day.

Or about one new view, 24/7, every 84 seconds.

I'm not aware of any update from him about if and when he is to make another Madeleine film   

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.02.15 11:15

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:A check just now shows that Richard Hall's film on Madeleine's disappearance, 'Buried', has chalked up 251,412 views on YouTube since it was launched just four months ago in August.

But if you include views on his dedicated site www.madeleinedocumentary.com plus views of his boxed sets of DVDs which are for sale, the total number of views is well over half a million.

9 different people uploaded 26 different Richard Hall YouTube vids, below are the current views for each of them [SNIPPED]:
A quick check just now showed that Hall's film has had a total of 271,138 YouTube views to date. 

The rate at which his films are viewed on YouTube has slowed a little, since about a fortnight before Christmas. But with over 30,000 new views so far in the 30 days of January, the rate is still over 1,000 new views every day.

Or about one new view, 24/7, every 84 seconds.

I'm not aware of any update from him about if and when he is to make another Madeleine film   
While we await Sonia Poulton's much-heralded 'documentary' on Madeleine McCann, Richard Hall's documentary continues to attract well over 1,000 new YouTube views every day. A few moments ago the total stood at:

281,822

Since Hall's 4.5-hour doc contains - everyone agrees - a mineful of information about the Madeleine McCann case, and is so popular, one wonders why Sonia Poulton - if as she proclaims she is so committed to the truth about Madeleine - does not promote that doc...

...instead of purporting to reveal the 'untold story' - whilst at the same time sitting on the SKYNews sofa every week and telling millions of Sun readers that anti-McCanns are no more than a bunch of vile, hating trolls with nothing better to do with their time than pour out their vitriol online.

It's clear, at least, which 'side' Hall is on.

It's not yet clear which side Poulton is on

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