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Post by Woburn_exile on 27.10.13 13:08

@thetruthbeknown wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Oh look what we have here.........


[size=24]Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking
nearby
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27 Oct 2013 00:00      

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched


Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-police-hunt-three-2644559#ixzz2ivQOnDED
Typical Mirror..putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.7  ...plus ive yet to hear of career burglars, whose intention it was all along was to kidnap.. they are more likely to just carry on burglaring the apartment or to flee if disturbed or finding someone is present..the burglaries beforehand I think are a red herring :/
Well somebody "stole" Gerry's sports bag. Could that have been a burglar?

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Post by PeterMac on 27.10.13 13:33

@Woburn_exile wrote:Well somebody "stole" Gerry's sports bag. Could that have been a burglar?
Oh, yes the blue tennis bag that is shown in the Police photos on the second shelf up, where the dog alerted weeks later . .
And then wasn't.
And the one Mitchell said they had never had
The one the other Tapsnik said was big enough to "hide a . . .tennis racquet in"

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by Perky on 27.10.13 14:18

Hi all. Been following these forums for a while but rarely get involved in replying. Have done some PMs with members though.
 
One. Contact the media. Now seems an opportunity that doesn’t occur very often, to contact the report writers/department heads and newspaper editors of papers to thank/praise them for reporting such issues/matters and offer to share other info with them. I know that a senior forum member here has such information that would entice them. Adding/presenting or even referring them to a lot of key info/evidence/statements/background info that isn’t mainstream, but fully available, e.g. from the case/McCannfiles etc.
 
Two. Get together/march. There might then be some interest or gravity towards alternative possibilities, even if it is for the personal fame of media wannabees. If regulars here get no joy and feel that the case is not going the way of justice, there’s always a, ‘march’ with a significant number of contributors on this and similar sites that could make a visual/media impact. It would need to be convincing evidence/belief though, so people don’t look stupid if the case is in fact going to end in justice, but it just looked otherwise. There are after all a VERY wide range of interpretations of the unfolding case. So many even that it is hardly possible that the truth is not contained within it.
 
Three. Meeting. I don’t know why a senior member/contributor of this forum doesn’t meet with the Op Grange team to present the key evidence. The advantages would be:
They are now evidentially clear about the evidence if they were not before.
They can reassure the person (or those who are open to more options than just abduction) that they can be assured that everything they have presented is known and considered.
They can advice on any lines of discussion to advocate in the threads – if they wish.
They need not disclose anything.
They would be showing that they are open and looking at all the evidence/possibilities by meeting with representatives of a firum, who’s fuller members/contributors have had a very deep look at the revealed evidence (probably more so than any individual on Op Grange) which surely can only help.
It would cover them too against criticism in the future if they do, ‘leave no stone unturned’.
Whilst the disclosed files to date are now less than what NSY/PJ know in total, the past files are a record which is a part of the case, so people here who have looked at them for years, might have new ideas or ways of linking things. Why would NSY not want to at least just sit and listen or debate/challenge, for self re-assurance?
I do not know how DCI AR or the police in general work, but I know that if I were in charge, I would have nothing to fear and everything to gain by listening to a group who collectively represent a significant view of the evidence. I’ would put some test questions over, listen to possible theories, challenge some links. Get an idea for whether they are ignorant, nutters or people with whom new knowledge and ideas can be gleamed. It doesn’t even matter if this meeting gets public knowledge.
People who represent the justice for Madeleine McCann are a significant group of (largely) intelligent, well meaning people who’s view (that of there possibly being more than one explanation to the disappearance of MBM) is large and widespread, not just one of many who might like to get things off their chest to the police.


It would be a shame not to act before any case is closed forever, e.g. if the investigations were not for real justice, if it could help by doing any of these three things wouldn't it?

 
I’ve numbered the 3 key areas for speed of response.
 
Admin/Moderators – feel free to repost to a new or existing thread if it is felt that it is new/different to the existing one. I responded to a post in this thread, that’s all and of course any or all of my points may well have already been discussed as there are too many to have read them all. Forgive poor writing, written on the hoof.
 
I think I may also make separate threads for these points too:
Let's contact the media.
Let's march for truth and justice for Madeleine?
Let's meet with Operation Grange.
 
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by tigger on 27.10.13 14:27

Perky, you must have missed the occasion in 2011when Tony Bennett handed over files compiled by members of this forum and himself in person to AR. There are even photographs of the occasion. Seems that's as far asit went though. Other members have supplied evidential material and analyses of the same. 

Errm,  we're still waiting. 

thinking

Like your enthusiasm but forum members are spread all over the world. We do write to the press - with limited success.

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Post by Guest on 27.10.13 14:29

Welcom Perky, I have deleted your thread as you have posted here, and can be discussed here.

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Post by thetruthbeknown on 27.10.13 14:35

@tigger wrote:Perky, you must have missed the occasion in 2011when Tony Bennett handed over files compiled by members of this forum and himself in person to AR. There are even photographs of the occasion. Seems that's as far asit went though. Other members have supplied evidential material and analyses of the same. 

Errm,  we're still waiting. 

thinking

Like your enthusiasm but forum members are spread all over the world. We do write to the press - with limited success.
It doesnt mean it hasnt been read, and noted. Or even lead to further reading of things thay may have been overlooked/considered. Of course information may not always flow back, I doubt you would get someone coming back and saying your info lead to us looking at this :) ..Its always worth sending info you may feel is important, it does no harm, even if its felt irrelevant.

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Post by whmon on 27.10.13 14:43


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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by stillsloppingout on 27.10.13 15:02

@jeanmonroe wrote:The only thing 'stiff' with this porn 'actor' was his WOODen, pathetic, acting 'performance' on Beeb CW!
laughat laughat laughat
                      THE TAPAS 7 INCH !! ........  IN THERE NEW X RATED  FANTASY.
     

                               WERE NOT [ FU**ING  ] HERE TO ENJOY OURSELVES  . 

                              STARRING  KATE " HOTLIP'S HEALEY " 
                      
                               FEATURING   DAVID PAIN !!!  

                                 STUNT CO*K , CLARENCE MITCHELL , AS HIMSELF !!!big grin

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by ultimaThule on 27.10.13 15:57

welcome Perky

It would need to be convincing evidence/belief though, so people don’t look stupid if the case is in fact going to end in justice, but it just looked otherwise

 
Any march or public rally held in the interest of justice for Madeleine McCann at the present time would be premature and likely to have the opposite effect to that desired as her parents could argue that the police/other authorities had been prejudiced against them by the demonstration(s) held by a small but vocal minority of the population. 

The time for protest will be after SY's investigation has concluded in the, IMO highly unlikely, event it exonerates the McCanns of complicity in the disappearance of their daughter.

In the meantime, I would suggest those who have information or concern about the manner in which the investigation is being conducted write to or call:

DCI A Redwood
Homicide and Serious Crime Command
Belgravia Police Station
202-206 Buckingham Palace Road
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Tel: 0207 730 1212

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Post by ultimaThule on 27.10.13 16:32

rotfl @jean monroe and @stillslopping out.

What are you two like?  laugh  !!!  I was just about to enjoy my afternoon tea and you've made me spit coffee 

Is this production sponsored by Kennedy's Sausages or is it another of Jez W*"lkins' creations, and why no role for Philmeupena or Trish 'Full English' McCann, sso? laughat

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Post by Ayniia on 27.10.13 19:39

Gotta love how the Mccanns are committed to coming back for the reconstruction. It was all over the news! Nowhere to run now...
I wonder where's the lovely pair? So many news this week and I haven't seen them still...
Good thing they have groceries delivery at Rothley, I bet that's coming in handy these days...

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Post by Woburn_exile on 27.10.13 23:17

@stillsloppingout wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:The only thing 'stiff' with this porn 'actor' was his WOODen, pathetic, acting 'performance' on Beeb CW!
laughat laughat laughat
                      THE TAPAS 7 INCH !! ........  IN THERE NEW X RATED  FANTASY.
     

                               WERE NOT [ FU**ING  ] HERE TO ENJOY OURSELVES  . 

                              STARRING  KATE " HOTLIP'S HEALEY " 
                      
                               FEATURING   DAVID PAIN !!!  

                                 STUNT CO*K , CLARENCE MITCHELL , AS HIMSELF !!!big grin
You're obviously well used to watching productions of this nature.big grin  Right down to scrutinising the actors credits.

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by stillsloppingout on 28.10.13 0:25

@Woburn_exile wrote:
@stillsloppingout wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:The only thing 'stiff' with this porn 'actor' was his WOODen, pathetic, acting 'performance' on Beeb CW!
laughat laughat laughat
                      THE TAPAS 7 INCH !! ........  IN THERE NEW X RATED  FANTASY.
     

                               WERE NOT [ FU**ING  ] HERE TO ENJOY OURSELVES  . 

                              STARRING  KATE " HOTLIP'S HEALEY " 
                      
                               FEATURING   DAVID PAIN !!!  

                                 STUNT CO*K , CLARENCE MITCHELL , AS HIMSELF !!!big grin
You're obviously well used to watching productions of this nature.big grin  Right down to scrutinising the actors credits.
I have personal experience. I appeared in an adult movie last week !!..... i only had a small part big grin

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Re: UPDATE CASE REOPENED IN PORTUGAL - McCanns apply for 'assistant' (assistente)status

Post by Guest on 28.10.13 21:05

Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann

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Post by StraightThinking on 28.10.13 21:10

Was anything in CW correct then?
Bundleman eliminated despite walking the wrong way
The suggestion that Bundleman was an important lead anyway (it took the PJ about 5 mins to discount it)
Claims of new efits that are actually 5 years old (and made up by someone else)
Timeline all wrong
Mistakes in the layout of the substitute 5a
Now no robberies

It's a wonder that CW manages to nail any criminals at all if they make so many errors

Or maybe this case isn't quite like all the others

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Post by Truthandjustice on 28.10.13 21:18

candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
Funny that, so no climbing through windows then..... apart from it being LUDICROUS that a burglar would take a child, surely a seasoned cop would know that??

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Post by plebgate on 28.10.13 21:26

candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
Thanks Candyfloss and Joana.

Burglars, gypsies, abductor/s on that one night, never known before or since.

Sure was a very unlucky night as someone suggested on the forum a little while back.

roses For Maddie.

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Post by Okeydokey on 28.10.13 21:29

candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
I did wonder about that.  But this is allegedly evidence collected by PIs isn't it?

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Post by ProfMoriarty on 28.10.13 22:58

@Ayniia wrote:Gotta love how the Mccanns are committed to coming back for the reconstruction. It was all over the news! Nowhere to run now...
I wonder where's the lovely pair? So many news this week and I haven't seen them still...
Good thing they have groceries delivery at Rothley, I bet that's coming in handy these days...
I hope they film the reconstruction. I'd love to see how Mrs McCann manages to sit still for 90 mins (drinking water according to SY's fiction on CW, another departure from the facts) without once going to check on her children.
Of course, the recon will never happen. There is no agreed timeline.

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Post by AndyB on 29.10.13 9:06

candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
There doesn't seem to be much agreement between the British and Portuguese police and I just wonder if the reopening of the investigation in Portugal is a reaction to SY's attempts to whitewash it

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Post by russiandoll on 29.10.13 9:12

@AndyB wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
There doesn't seem to be much agreement between the British and Portuguese police and I just wonder if the reopening of the investigation in Portugal is a reaction to SY's attempts to whitewash it
 Imo these things that did not happen will be ruled out one by one, with the co operation of SY who have I believe worked very closely with the team in Oporto. New evidence from what was in the files, and interestingly Kiko sent his phone analysis to this team who acknowledged it and told him that they would study it.

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Post by plebgate on 29.10.13 9:13

Thanks for the info. about Kiko Russina Doll, I knew he had sent it, but not about the acknowledgement. 

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Post by russiandoll on 29.10.13 9:17

He posted a cryptic tweet a few months ago and I sent him a direct private message. He told me his tweet was basic because the Porto team had requested his silence.  He is now tweeting publicly that this team had his phone info, that they acknowledged receipt and seemed to be genuinely interested in looking at it.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.10.13 9:26

@Okeydokey wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Interesting - so no robberies then .....


Joana Morais@xklamation 5m
GNR police dismisses SY claims of "robberies" in the area of PdL weeks before Madeleine's disappearance. via TVI news #McCann
I did wonder about that.  But this is allegedly evidence collected by PIs isn't it?
"evidence" collected by PI's who were PAID by McCanns.

Hardly in their interest to not 'find' what the McCanns said they should find! (robberies, gypsies, gangs of paedos, innocent holiday makers carrying their kids, etc)

Find 'stuff'= carry on getting paid
Not find 'stuff'= no more pay and 'sacked'.

Hmmm, let me think.

Pi's say 'witness saw Madeleine riding a unicorn towards a magic castle'.

£10,000 plz!

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