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Post by Willo on 28.06.11 23:49

You don't muck with authority. Ask David Kelly. Oh, you can't. He commited suicide or something.

The question is will the McCanns also be found in a wood one day soon?

The way the McCanns backs are covered indicates big trouble for so many people who are putting their reputations on the line to stop the truth coming out. The big brothers involved in the cover up must have so much to lose otherwise once it became obvious that the McCanns were narcissistic and self serving they would have been cut adrift and damage control would have been implimented.
But this is a story that can't be let into the public arena without huge repercussions. The impact of public awareness of the true nature of the situation would be too much for any department or individual to sweep it under the carpet. Which points to something very evil going on.

So the couple can basically do what they like. The papers are gagged, TV is on their side, the police forces are sorted, publishing houses are towing the line, celebrity endorsement is in place, Carter Ruck are patrolling the sidelines making sure as few people as possible get on the playing field. They have the 'Key to the City'. But their bent for seeking the limelight might work against them.

Maybe if Dr.Amaral had just slipped away the case would have eventually died apart from a few scattered internet forums here and there plus the odd lone voice screaming unheard for justice. But Amaral's stance invited further investigation from all quarters. Along came 3A's and an army of cybersleuths were created (Cheers Bren), the message has spread, some of the press are turning, high profile people like Pat Brown are questioning the affair and this must make for an uncomfortable scenario for a lot of well placed prominent people.

Will this end with the McCanns being annexed or will we eventually find out what motivates the powers that be to protect the happy couple so completely?

Are the McCanns are expendable? Or has Gerry and Kate and maybe even the rest of the Tapas group got some sort of failsafe system in place that would take everybody down anyway?

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Post by ROSA on 29.06.11 1:05

Dont forget Goncalo is alive and well he has not revealed all he knows yet
this a group of people we dont no how many they are all keepers of the lies
i dont think safe is how they feel that is why the McCanns tryed to HIDE Mr Amarals book
i hope this is new evidence and the Met will take action

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Post by Big Vern on 29.06.11 1:42

Excellent post Willo.

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Post by Willo on 29.06.11 6:40

Something in your post ROSA sent me off on a little tangent....not sure what the trigger was but it had to do with me examining the word tryed and that particular sentence.........

..............Could it be that it is not the McCanns who are behind the taking of all the legal action. Maybe there are Big Brothers forcing the McCanns hand. The McCanns mucked up that night and Madeleine was lost by whoever or whatever means. The McCanns knew, for an unknown reason, there would be unwanted questions asked about drugs/sex/experiments/abuse or something which would incriminate some very important people, strategic people, dangerous people. Those are the people who were phoned first (call logs deleted) and the McCanns were hurriedly ordered to assimilate abduction by those same important people. Promises of a total cover up were given as long as the McCanns stuck to the script. They are battling the courts in the McCann name to try and save their sinking ship.

Initially, to an experienced cover up team, it would have seemed so simple from back home. Maybe they were expecting the McCanns to take the rap for neglect and be looked after when they came out, say two years later. Every thing would be taken care of. But somehow it all became complicated. The group although packed with intelligent people could not hold it all together and the story varied from person to person. The Tapas 9 were not trained to be subversive. They were not used to lying or subterfuge. They were not trained for field work of this kind. They were not expecting a dead body but they were also caught in the unknown web, they had to grin and bear it however loathsome they found it all. The McCanns too would have been grieving at this time which would have also clouded their thinking. Their initial plan was crap.

The calvary got there really fast but they were not fast enough. The Portugese police were suspicious already. It was only a few days in to the cover up and it was turning to shit already. It took several weeks to sort out the body and more basic errors were made. Then the dogs hit finding those errors. The dogs were not expected. It was not easy to alter the DNA results and destroy all evidence but Big Brother succeeded leading to the eventual closure of the whole Birmingham premises. The case was now like a runaway train.

Maybe the McCanns after a short time had got more confident and suddenly refused to take the rap. They had something over these people why should they take all the blame. News of the case was getting viral too which also protected the McCanns who quickly realised that high visibility could also be their saviour from these people who now offered diguised threats. Gerry might have heard rumours about Dr Kelly too. So they courted and indeed sought out the media like crazy. Started the Amber Alert cause, did a world tour, visited the Pope, European summits et al. Making the occasional faux pas but on the whole keeping it together. Awaiting Big Brother to sort out the only real remaining threat. Dr Amaral. The Tapas 7 were told to go away and shut up or else. Which all they did. Popping out only to help validate the abduction theory by receiving the cheque from the Express. They are still under strict surveillance and very frightened. There was no need for a pact, threats ensured their silence.

But Amaral despite being removed from the case, despite being framed for abuse, despite a litany of lies being thrown at him, despite the killing of his pet dog, despite being taken to several courts, despite being stalked by a crazed lawyer has soldiered on and shown the world, UK apart, that he is in for the long haul and now many more are rallying to the cause. The McCanns and their friends? keep it ticking over but they maybe realise that it, whatever it is, might not be able to be covered up after all.

Amaral is coming.

The McCanns have their failsafe in place but Kate and Gerry are still scared, very scared.

It is a Mexican stand off.

And Big Brother has a big problem.

All a bit like an old Clint Eastwood movie.

..................Just some more random thoughts that's all.

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Post by ufercoffy on 29.06.11 7:46

I agree with Big Vern, your posts are excellent and thought provoking.

I do hope your right that "Amaral is coming" and I pray he doesn't end up like his dog/David Kelly. That goes for Tony Bennett too of course.

Brian Kennedy must be more than a little cross these days and he does seem to have a knack of hiring people who end up in prison.

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Post by nomendelta on 29.06.11 9:58

I do worry about how this case is going to end up. One would imagine that some kind of patsy would be set-up but if that could be done it would have been done before now - find a body, have it lead to a suspect (preferrably already dead or suicided). As I say, if that was the route that was going to be taken I think they'd have done it by now.

Another possibility is one of the couple takes the fall but I don't see how that can happen without a) the other half being heavily implicated in the cover up and b) the high-up connections being revealed as the ongoing media whitewash makes clear they have an extraordinary amount of influence for such an "ordinary" couple.

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Post by Guest on 29.06.11 11:00

In my opinion, this is not about a little girl any more. In fact it hasn't been since the 4th May. This is about protecting the real reason why a group of Doctors were all out there at the same time? Why there were other Doctors outside the main group, also staying out there? Why other individuals who have connections to the medical profession, were also out there? This is why this case is receiving the highest levels of protection and continues to do so.

I for one, will never vote Conservative ever again, if after pledging £3.4M, David Cameron allows this to become another Dr David Kelly. In fact I will deliberately vote Labour, who I hate with a passion, to ensure he never gets back in after the mountain of evidence there now is to suggest that Madeleine died shortly after arriving in Portugal.

Why do we need to protect the possible maladministration of the NHS ?

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Post by ROSA on 29.06.11 22:07

Willo wrote
Amaral is coming
youaretheman
i agree with Big Vern and ufercoffy yours posts are excellent Willo
i want to see this
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Post by juliet on 29.06.11 22:38

The post by Willo was intriguing.

It set up new ideas about who is running this.

The only thing is, surely the dogs WOULD have been expected?

There was, certainly, a sinister lack of Madeleine's DNA. But whatever that meant, search dogs must have been anticipated even if other avenues had been closed.

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Post by Willo on 30.06.11 0:55

I don't know if they thought that the specialist dogs were going to arrive or not. There had already been a search by a team of several search and rescue dogs from Queluz (4th-7th May) who could follow Madeleines scent but not much came of that other than her scent disappeared in a car park area. Maybe they thought they had already passed the dog test.

But four months after Madeleine disappeared Eddie and Keela, the blood and cadaever dogs, arrived and sprung into action. The rest is explained on an excellent post 'EVRD and CSI dogs' posted by YNG. A must read.

The reasons the McCanns put up to disprove the dogs shows they had little idea of the dogs powers and raises yet more red flags as to the complicity of the parents.

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Post by ROSA on 30.06.11 1:09

YES It looks like the sniffer dog evidence was not how Gerry wanted
Did they (HE)dump M body in the wrong place in 5a
SNIFFER DOGS DONT LIE THE MCCANNS DO

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Post by Guest on 18.07.11 14:38

They might be now !!

Just like peeling a banana, one by one, the resignations keep coming.

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Post by Dr_Evil on 18.07.11 20:23

Stella wrote:In my opinion, this is not about a little girl any more. In fact it hasn't been since the 4th May. This is about protecting the real reason why a group of Doctors were all out there at the same time? Why there were other Doctors outside the main group, also staying out there? Why other individuals who have connections to the medical profession, were also out there? This is why this case is receiving the highest levels of protection and continues to do so.

I for one, will never vote Conservative ever again, if after pledging £3.4M, David Cameron allows this to become another Dr David Kelly. In fact I will deliberately vote Labour, who I hate with a passion, to ensure he never gets back in after the mountain of evidence there now is to suggest that Madeleine died shortly after arriving in Portugal.

Why do we need to protect the possible maladministration of the NHS ?

was it not Labour who were in power when Madeleine went missing. Both parties are as bad as each other.

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Post by listener on 18.07.11 23:59

@Dr_Evil wrote:
Stella wrote:In my opinion, this is not about a little girl any more. In fact it hasn't been since the 4th May. This is about protecting the real reason why a group of Doctors were all out there at the same time? Why there were other Doctors outside the main group, also staying out there? Why other individuals who have connections to the medical profession, were also out there? This is why this case is receiving the highest levels of protection and continues to do so.

I for one, will never vote Conservative ever again, if after pledging £3.4M, David Cameron allows this to become another Dr David Kelly. In fact I will deliberately vote Labour, who I hate with a passion, to ensure he never gets back in after the mountain of evidence there now is to suggest that Madeleine died shortly after arriving in Portugal.

Why do we need to protect the possible maladministration of the NHS ?

was it not Labour who were in power when Madeleine went missing. Both parties are as bad as each other.

I tend to agree with your thinking. This is not so much about the polititions involved, but more about who they felt had control over them in the last few decades (who they felt they had to suck-up to for +ve media coverage) - and readers of this excellent forum will have learned today of a link between Brian Kennedy and the Chief of the MET who RESIGNED yesterday !
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Post by dragonfly on 05.09.12 23:03

@ROSA wrote:Dont forget Goncalo is alive and well he has not revealed all he knows yet
this a group of people we dont no how many they are all keepers of the lies
i dont think safe is how they feel that is why the McCanns tryed to HIDE Mr Amarals book
i hope this is new evidence and the Met will take action

Im wondering if the reveals are being kept for court case?

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Post by Nina on 05.09.12 23:18

@dragonfly wrote:
@ROSA wrote:Dont forget Goncalo is alive and well he has not revealed all he knows yet
this a group of people we dont no how many they are all keepers of the lies
i dont think safe is how they feel that is why the McCanns tryed to HIDE Mr Amarals book
i hope this is new evidence and the Met will take action

Im wondering if the reveals are being kept for court case?

They should be, but not this one, for 'the'court case/s.

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Post by Cristobell on 06.09.12 0:39

Interesting theories, but I feel it is not so complicated.

I think they were arrogant enough to believe that the 'third world' Portuguese police would accept the word of their elite group of respected doctors, without digging too deep. Kate's 'fucking tosser' chant speaks volumes, they obviously had no respect whatsoever for their inquisitors - almost an 'how dare you question me, do you know who I am' attitude. They showed they could conjure up powerful support within hours - and in fairness, it was not just the politicians and celebrities who bought into the tragedy, most of us did.

Their eyes lit up at every kerching of the cash register as funds poured in, and they looked and acted like lottery winners. Within days Gerry was planning far off events and an 'Annual Madeleine Day' for the whole world with concerts by Elton John, and something arts, something sports. For them the limelight is irresistible. You can visibly see them flinch if a presenter makes any reference to their instigating the interview - they like to pretend they are much in demand and are responding to invitations. The press conferences and statements come from their spokesmen, their marketing people, they never miss a photo opportunity, even intruding on the tragedies of others.

This is true narcissism verging on megalomania, The Fund, though no longer needed, is evolving into a corporation - why?

They may well still have friends in high places, but support is ebbing. They dare not risk another Kensington Roof Garden fundraiser - who would turn up? Their most vociferous supporter Rebekah Brooks is now facing criminal charges, and they have further ostracised the media with their appearance at the Levenson enquiry. Though the review might be abandoned, Scotland Yard have not given them the result they wanted - a clean slate, and the results of the Portuguese Review are awaited.

Not least, next week they must go into Court to pursue their claim for damages, having failed to prove libel in two previous trials.

Why don't they give up and disappear into obscurity? They cannot believe, nor tolerate, anyone disbelieving them, and the lure of the spotlight is too great. They want those glory days back, and those donations to start pouring into the coffers again. Visits to the White House, The Vatican, private jets etc. They believe their rightful place is on the world stage, and their equals are now world leaders. Remember they turned down a meeting with a politician who was not of the same status as the prime minister or the home secretary.

However, pride comes before a fall. The recent Madeleine stories have been banal and not even worthy of a front page. Once the story stops selling newspapers, the glory days will be over.


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Post by PeterMac on 06.09.12 9:31

What will Rebeccah Brookes say during her defence ?
What does she know ?
What did her journalists overhear ?
What messages did they read ?

There are times when, sadly, one feels that phone tapping and Wikileaks can be a force for good.

Just on that subject, is it not strange that if I overhear a conversation in the pub that is OK. If I hear someone talking on a telephone in a pub that is also OK, but if I overhear the conversation through another means I can go to prison .

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Post by Guest on 06.09.12 9:43

@PeterMac wrote:[...]

Just on that subject, is it not strange that if I overhear a conversation in the pub that is OK. If I hear someone talking on a telephone in a pub that is also OK, but if I overhear the conversation through another means I can go to prison .
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In a public place one is aware that one can be / will be overheard and one tends to be careful [at least I do] what one says and how it's worded. With due respect PM: Hacking a phone is intruding in one's privacy. It's like breaking in, burglary, stealing ...

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Post by Woofer on 18.09.12 19:14

I`m tacking this on the end of Willo`s thread because I had similar thoughts which I wanted to share but then found that Willo had presented something very similar.



I`ve wondered for ages if we have a situation that is in a deadlock or statemate, a situation where GM believed he could call the shots against a government. If this is the case, it has to be based around knowledge of a delicate nature which, if made public, would be a risk to national security.



Theory then -


Accident happens in flat which cannot be reported to local authorities (for whatever reason).

Probably the `accident` happened earlier than the 3rd (maybe Tuesday 1st).

GM makes phone calls to government heads (say Tuesday through to Thursday) demanding help and threatening exposure if they don`t. Government agree under pressure – MI5 are brought in because they cannot have jumped-up, loose cannons threatening them like this about high profile matters.

Body is put on ice somewhere. Maybe carried in the sports bag. MI5 now have custody of the body. Maybe they still have.

TM make plans for the `abduction` story which is enacted on the 3rd.

GM and family get press involved and the whirlwind commences.

Portuguese police under their co-ordinator GA are not easily conned and suspect the parents.

GM wants MI5 to release the body in a remote spot so they can get the abduction confirmed and have her back for a proper burial.

But MI5 recognise he is a loose cannon with dangerous information, so are not giving her over.

GM continues to make noise and ruffle feathers.

Stephen B maybe right in that cadaver odour was planted, but definitely not by the PJ – but its likely MI5 could have done this to keep GM worried.

A situation where both sides have each other by the short and curlies. But, just a theory.














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Post by Ross on 18.09.12 22:46

@Woofer wrote:I`ve wondered for ages if we have a situation that is in a deadlock or statemate, a situation where GM believed he could call the shots against a government. If this is the case, it has to be based around knowledge of a delicate nature which, if made public, would be a risk to national security.

I have seen this notion floated in a number of places that look at this case, and I don't want to be condescending but it is nonsense. You do not threaten someone who has the means to have you killed within the hour. This is not a game, you even mentioned the magic words 'national security' under whose aegis anyone or anything deemed to be a threat is eliminated. Dr Kelly and Gareth Williams are recent examples we know of. If you 'have something' on a mafia boss you go away to somewhere quiet and keep your head down, you do not call him up and start making demands. That's just the reality of it.

Whatever is behind the protection afforded to the McCanns, it is not blackmail.

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Post by Woofer on 18.09.12 23:12

@Ross wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I`ve wondered for ages if we have a situation that is in a deadlock or statemate, a situation where GM believed he could call the shots against a government. If this is the case, it has to be based around knowledge of a delicate nature which, if made public, would be a risk to national security.

I have seen this notion floated in a number of places that look at this case, and I don't want to be condescending but it is nonsense. You do not threaten someone who has the means to have you killed within the hour. This is not a game, you even mentioned the magic words 'national security' under whose aegis anyone or anything deemed to be a threat is eliminated. Dr Kelly and Gareth Williams are recent examples we know of. If you 'have something' on a mafia boss you go away to somewhere quiet and keep your head down, you do not call him up and start making demands. That's just the reality of it.

Whatever is behind the protection afforded to the McCanns, it is not blackmail.

ok, thanks. But no point killing a person off when they`ve already put in place its exposure in the event of their death. I`m not talking about your normal type guy, I`m talking about a guy with exceptional arrogance verging on narcissism.

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Post by roy rovers on 18.09.12 23:40

If there turns out to be a cover up within the government or police it can only be:
a) Paedophiles b) Masons c) Illegal genetic research.

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Post by listener on 19.09.12 0:25

@roy rovers wrote:If there turns out to be a cover up within the government or police it can only be:
a) Paedophiles b) Masons c) Illegal genetic research.

Well, I believe there must be 'government' involvement and can't add a d) to your post.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.12 3:01

No, of course NOT. The mccanns are in no danger.
In fact it's the public who are in danger of being harassed by their begging bowl.

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