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Re: Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

Post by sar on 03.07.14 22:00

BigRon - Brilliant!   [claps hands]

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Post by NickE on 03.07.14 22:01

@FrankS wrote:Nicke.

Sorry, i am on my phone tonight so cant quote or see links.

I see that as a positive that some of OG gone home.

They know what the score is. Why stay.

They done phase 2.

Phase 3 will be interviewing suspects in the UK. Where the on ly suspects live. IMO. Leicester i believe.
Yes it puts thoughts in spin. 
Did they do something 'unofficially' in the Algarve? 
Where these interrogations a smokescreen? 
Where the dogs inside 5A or search the Renault?

Thoughts of hope maybe pray2
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Post by FrankS on 03.07.14 22:20

Whatever happened in Portugal and what we have seen in the papers is totally different.

No Police force in the world will be giving up to dates commentry.

OG and PJ especially. Which they have not.

The net is closing. Every base has to be covered.

TM have some pretty good lawyers.

One chance at a conviction.

Bullet proof.

A conviction is what they will get.



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Post by Woofer on 03.07.14 22:25

@Sparklehorse wrote:How would 16 year old beggar have been able to afford a mobile  phone? Were they not quite hard to get hold of in Portugal then and pretty expensive too.

Good point
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Post by View-from-Ireland on 03.07.14 22:30

Been googling stuff and the McCanns seem very quiet?

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Post by TellTheTruth on 03.07.14 22:34

FrankS, hope you are right.

7 years ago I saw two very unconvincing liars with their torches and their scripts. Imho.

Hopefully Redwood will not let his prize catch slip away.

Like the reason for your edit BTW!  winkwinkwinkwink made me smile.

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Post by Justformaddie on 03.07.14 22:37

Oh no, a tweet that's put a disturbing pic from a paedophile beside maddies make up pic, very similar poses and disgusting IMO delete this if needs be ta.

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Post by HelenMeg on 03.07.14 22:47

I am wondering, when it finally comes down to it, what the parents can be arrested for? To actually arrest them, there needs to be a crime - not knowing much about this process I am just wondering what possibilities there are, e.g.

suspicion of :
Manslaughter
Covering up death
Murder

Without a body, wont it be difficult for police to decide what the charge actually is

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Post by petunia on 03.07.14 22:49

Why would SY spend a fortune transporting these already very expensive dogs to Portugal to sniff out 2 cars only to conclude they found nothing new.Maybe SY thought it was money well spent, but they just don't want to share it with us just yet.What you up to Andy?

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Post by Guest on 03.07.14 22:49

I noticed that the "webmaster" is still liking comments view-from-ireland, So clearly they are online but choosing not to comment on this stage of the investigation.
Perhaps they have learned their lesson after the last outburst a few weeks back which the papers were quick to report on.
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Post by View-from-Ireland on 03.07.14 22:55

Bellisa wrote: I noticed that the "webmaster" is still liking comments view-from-ireland, So clearly they are online but choosing not to comment on this stage of the investigation.
Perhaps they have learned their lesson after the last outburst a few weeks back which the papers were quick to report on.

Thanks for the response Bellisa. That's interesting. 'Liking' is a subtle form of propagandising without saying much. 

I still think, however, that they are subdued and quiet compared to the couple we have come to know these past even years.

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Post by ShuBob on 03.07.14 23:05

@HelenMeg wrote:I am wondering, when it finally comes down to it, what the parents can be arrested for? To actually arrest them, there needs to be a crime - not knowing much about this process I am just wondering what possibilities there are, e.g.

suspicion of :
Manslaughter
Covering up death
Murder

Without a body, wont it be difficult for police to decide what the charge actually is

Add attempting to pervert the course of justice to the list for their many provable lies.

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Post by petunia on 03.07.14 23:33

Could one of there tapas friends be arrested and charged? and ask Kate or Gerry to be a witness for them now that would be interesting.

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Post by Gaggzy on 04.07.14 0:34

@Justformaddie wrote:Ohh, a little closer to those who committed the crime. But ofcourse, the mcs will pleased nothing has come of these interviews which will give them more hope maddie is still alive and well and has not been seriously harmed or? Yea right! IMO
Amazing, isn't it. They bleat at the general public about being, a) - completely convinced that Madeleine was snatched from her bed by a 'predatory paedophile.'

And b) - that there's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.

Therefore, they expect people to believe that she was 'abducted' by the most generous, charitable, and loving 'predatory paedophile' in the history of mankind, who even now is probably getting her packed lunch ready for school in the morning and doing her washing and ironing.

And Gertrude, the gullible granny from Grantham is ready to send them another tenner from her pension.

Don't do it, Gertrude.

They are nothing but barefaced liars (in mine and Gertrude's opinion).
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Post by Guest on 04.07.14 0:35

Yes I agree things are very quiet at the moment. Not long now until the 8th,fingers crossed all goes to plan.

I am expecting the best script writers in the UK will have been busy..
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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.07.14 1:05

WHERE did Redwood get HIS 'list of suspects/witnesses' from?

ALL these 'suspects/witnesses' that are being 'interviewed' are at Redwood's 'request'

Obviously he could only have got them from the PJ 'files', imo.

Although he has had his 'team' putting up posters of 'SUSPECTS' faces that NOBODY has ever 'seen'.

ONLY the 'elite' MET Maddie Cops team have 'seen'

And in PDL, whilst he was 'busy' in Faro.

(hope the PJ were keeping a 'watchful' eye on those 2 Maddie Cops, NOT in Faro)

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/pj-inquire-testemunhas-do-caso-maddie-a-pedido-da-scotland-yard.html

41-46 secs.

So, IF Redwood's 'list' came from within the 'files' the PJ did a good job then, for including them in the original 'files', didn't they?

IF Redwood's 'suspects/witnesses' are NOT in the 'files' WHERE did Redwood get 'them' from?

Puzzle, innit?

eta: Redwood got 'them' from SOMEWHERE, didn't he?

FWIW: I'm still going for the 'finding of' replica pj's with 'similar' (ala SM) traces of Madeleine's DNA, (from twins, McS?), if/when the dogs go-a-sniffing, 'placed/buried' by someone who visits/visited PDL once or twice a year or anyone that has been to Portugal 26 times, and recently (June 2014)

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Post by bobby18 on 04.07.14 1:22

@jeanmonroe wrote:WHERE did Redwood get HIS 'list of suspects/witnesses' from?

ALL these 'suspects/witnesses' that are being 'interviewed' are at Redwood's 'request'

Obviously he could only have got them from the PJ 'files', imo.

Although he has had his 'team' putting up posters of 'SUSPECTS' faces that NOBODY has ever 'seen'.

ONLY the 'elite' MET Maddie Cops team have 'seen'

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/pj-inquire-testemunhas-do-caso-maddie-a-pedido-da-scotland-yard.html

41-46 secs.

So, IF Redwood's 'list' came from within the 'files' the PJ did a good job then, for including them in the original 'files', didn't they?

IF Redwood's 'suspects/witnesses' are NOT in the 'files' WHERE did Redwood get 'them' from?

Puzzle, innit?

eta: Redwood got 'them' from SOMEWHERE!
Long time since posting but having read recent reports in tabloids, can't help but think the emphasis on sniffer dogs being used and the number of questions put to the new 'suspects' iz deliberate. This on top off Smithman giving prominent focus.
If public were to google 'McCann suspect questions, 'McCann sniffer dogs', 'McCann Smith sigghting' it would surely direct public to the info the McCann's do not want seen by public. i.e. 48 questions, Eddie and Keela and Martin Smith's belief that Smithman as Gerry.

What do u think?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.07.14 1:34

I think the McCanns 'witheld' the Smithman 'faces' for YEARS ( but Maddie cops 'fly posting' them in PDL. Tuesday) and threatened the PI's if THEY published them.

Now WHY would they do THAT?

I thought they wanted the 'abductor' (Smithman', because that is ALL Redwood has now) caught at the earliest 'opportunity'

Strangely, NONE of the 4 'suspects' Redwood 'requested' for interview, these last 2 days, LOOKED anything 'like' the Smithman 'SUSPECT'  posters his team have been busy 'fly posting' in PDL!



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Post by View-from-Ireland on 04.07.14 1:54

Has this already been posted?

Former Portuguese Minister slams UK Cops

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.07.14 2:09

Madeleine McCann UK cops slammed by Portuguese politician for ''using and abusing'' his officers

Jul 03, 2014 21:24
By Paul Byrne


Former Portuguese Home Secretary Riu Pereira claimed Portuguese authorities have been ‘subservient’ to the UK

Long search: Maddie's parents Gerry and Kate are desperate to find out what happened to her

A former Portuguese Home Secretary has launched an astonishing attack on the UK police hunt for Madeleine McCann.

He claimed Portuguese police had been “used and abused” and ordered to work for the British.

His incredible outburst came as Scotland Yard detectives wound up the latest phase of their £5million probe into the little girl’s disappearance.

Four suspects and 11 witnesses have been quizzed this week by Portuguese police in Faro, watched over by the Met team from Operation Grange.

Specialist sniffer dogs from south Wales have also searched cars linked to the investigation.

Sources on the Algarve say the four-day operation has failed to produce new leads.

And now former government minister Riu Pereira has blasted the operation, calling it ‘absurd’ and claiming Portuguese authorities have been ‘subservient’ to the UK.

He said his country’s police officers had been used as “outsource workers”.

In a newspaper column on Thursday he wrote: “The Portuguese authorities, especially the Policia Judiciaria, have been used and abused in the ambit of international judicial cooperation, to carry out work ordered by their British counterparts.”

He added: “From chartered Air Force helicopter flights, to search from above for holes opened seven years ago, to the return of the famous sniffer dogs, as well as quizzes of ‘suspects and witnesses’, everything has been done to satisfy the aims of our oldest allies. Is such deference justified?”

He asked: “The first question that occurs to me is simple. Would the British police do the same in identical circumstances?”

Before adding: “Of course not.”

He said Portuguese police were capable of conducting their own inquiry.

“This, therefore, is the the absurdity of the situation in all its splendour. In Portugal there’s a criminal investigation with the same objective, but our authorities are working, as exclusive outsource workers, for another country’s ongoing investigation.”

And he added: “Could it be that the reopening of the case in Portugal was simply designed to facilitate the cooperation of Portuguese police at the service of British police.

“If that is true, then there was ‘manipulation’ of the case. We can conclude, without making conjectures, that it reveals a good helping of subservience which prejudices our national sovereignty as a penal state.”

The article in Portuguese daily newspaper Correio da Manha by the former minister, who is now a university lecturer, followed claims by a source close to the investigation that this week’s four day operation in Faro had failed to produce a new lead.

He said: “We’re back where we were seven years ago.”

All four men who were interviewed this week are being treated as “persons of special interest” or arguidos.

They were invited to be interviewed but there have been no arrests.

Among those quizzed is a man whose car was torched near his flat nearly a year after Madeleine went missing just before her fourth birthday in May 2007.

Police have also searched at least one of the suspect’s homes.

It is understood the four men were each asked more than 250 questions, which were drawn up by the the Met officers.

They were quizzed about their movements, phone calls and text messages on the night Madeleine vanished at Praia da Luz in May 2007.

The UK’s Operation Grange team of up to a dozen officers is being led by Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood.

They are expected to return to Portugal later in the summer to resume their investigation.

Last month three areas of scrubland close to the holiday resort where the McCann family were staying were searched.

Further searches have not been ruled out.

Operation Grange detectives believe burglars killed Madeleine during a bungled break-in at her family’s holiday apartment and buried her body nearby.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-uk-cops-slammed-3806229#ixzz36SPUrnvc
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WHY do Operation Grange detectives BELIEVE 'burglars killed Madeleine during a bungled break-in'?

Memo to OG: THERE WAS NO BREAK-IN!    'BUNGLED' OR NOT!..............................DUH!

The McCanns .DILIBERATELY and CONSCIOUSLY left their apartment totally UNSECURED and UNLOCKED, whilst they went to dine with their 'friends' OUT OF SIGHT, of their 3 children, all alone, all under 4 years old. EVERY night of their 'holiday'!

I know THAT and i'm not even an 'elite' detective'!

Still, i suppose, one good 'thing' is the Operation Grange detectives MUST NOT NOW 'believe' Madeleine was 'abducted' by a lone predatory paedophile, as the McCanns keep telling us!

And Operation Grange's DCI Redwood 'hinted' at in his last CW 'update' (pot bellied pervert stinkyman)

I suppose he 'realised' that that 'explanation' wouldn't 'fly' so he's gone back to 'bungling 'child killer' burglars'!

Another memo to OG: THAT 'explanation' won't 'fly' either!

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Post by True Liberty on 04.07.14 7:37

My intuition on what is happening.
SY were given a mandate to whitewash.
Somewhere along the line they truly started working with their fellow officers in Portugal.
Somewhere along the line they gained respect for the depth of the investigation which their country lauded as insanely weak and targeting sweet innocent parents.
Somewhere along the line they started gaining momentum.
And still the remit was whitewash.

So how do they get around that.
Well they tell the Portugal police to start complaining that it looks like a whitewash.
And to complain and complain until it reaches British papers.
It becomes so apparent that this is the directive that the whitewash has to be called off.
In the meantime , all the ducks are in a row,  the dots joiined and the allied forces which are playing
a game of outrageous mendacity, are actually closer to prosecution than ever before.

Remember CPS has been to Portugal on more than one occassion.
The rest is smoke and mirrors.
I have no doubt everything is on track.
It is my most fervent prayer.

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Post by SallyVern on 04.07.14 8:16

£5 million! That really ticks me off when I think that they're looking at one possibility only. 7 years of looking at break-in and abduction and coming up with zilch. Not even one piece of evidence to point at an intruder in their apartment. That must say something in itself. I'd like to see them put that much effort and money into looking at the parents to rule them out or in if such evidence arises.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.07.14 8:28

@jeanmonroe wrote:I think the McCanns 'withheld' [sp] the Smithman 'faces' for YEARS (but Maddie cops 'fly posting' them in PDL, Tuesday) and threatened the PI's if THEY published them.

Now WHY would they do THAT?

I thought they wanted the 'abductor' (Smithman) because that is ALL Redwood has now) caught at the earliest 'opportunity'.

Strangely, NONE of the 4 'suspects' Redwood 'requested' for interview, these last 2 days, LOOKED anything 'like' the Smithman 'SUSPECT' posters his team have been busy 'fly posting' in PDL!



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Just a few, mostly factual, points about the two efits above which we persist, understandably but wrongly, in referring to as 'Smithman':

Point 1. I assume that Scotland Yard has express permission from the very highest authorities in Portugal to erect these 'Smithman' posters, at least in certain places in the country

Point 2. Notice how a photographer is conveniently in place to record not only the posters, but also Scotland Yard officers pasting them up

Point 3. It may be assumed that, on the face of it, Scotland Yard think that putting up these posters over 7 years after Madeleine was reported missing will lead to a reasonable chance of 'Smithman' being identified either by Portuguese citizens, or holidaymakers

Point 4. And I cannot stress this point strongly enough  DCI Redwood and CrimeWatch DID NOT say that the Smith family drew up these efits

Point 5. And I cannot stress this point strongly enough either  None of the Smiths could possibly have drawn up these efits because, inter alia:

a) they only saw him for a few seconds
b) it was dark
c) the street lighting was very poor
d) none of them saw his face as it was hidden by the child they said he was carrying
e) each one of the three Smiths admitted that they would not be able to identify the man if they saw him again
f) it is suggested that they were only asked to produce efits in 2008, a year of so after the event.

NOTE that points (a) to (f) above all apply even if the Smiths really did see someone  

Point 6.  The two efits are clearly of two different people, which suggests they were not drawn up by the Smiths

Point 7. The two efits are almost certainly drawn up on two different efit computer programs , which suggest that they were not drawn up at the same time and therefore possibly not by the same people

Point 8. Henri Exton has claimed that he drew up the efits in 2008. As far as I am aware, he does not explicitly say that members of the Smith family drew them up. We do know that Brian Kennedy contacted Martin Smith. We also know that men employed by Brian Kennedy and the McCann Team, such as Henri Exton, went to Ireland to meet the Smiths. We know from Exton that these efits were not used by the McCanns. All these points should put us on clear notice that there is something very mysterious about the origin of these efits, and I for one do not accept that we know enough about their true provenance.

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Post by littlepixie on 04.07.14 8:56

I find it very, very strange that these people are being photographed putting up these wanted posters.
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Post by View-from-Ireland on 04.07.14 9:28

Sorry Tony but those points are mostly opinions and not facts, especially number five. None of us stood where the Smths were that night so can't possibly know what impression they were left with. Given that Martin later suspected the man he saw resembled Gerry, I am sure they saw enough to assist with drawing up an e-fit. 

How accurate is any e-fit? They are always an impression of what the witness saw/remembers seeing. If you think they are a fabrication, then surely SY wouldn't come up with something so reminiscent of Gerry?

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