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Post by Guest 02.07.14 17:09

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TB didn`t include the latest Arguido Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva who was a driver at the OC.

Just noticed when I was trying to find out what was found on RM`s computer.

All true, but to say that da Silva is a common Portuguese name is something of an understatement.

The racing driver Ayrton Senna was actually called Ayrton Da Silva but preferred to go by his mother's maiden name as every other Brazilian racing driver was already called Da Silva, and he wanted his name to be memorable.

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Post by Guest 02.07.14 17:10

Joey Deacon wrote:I think that the most interesting news of the day is that a large swathe of bog entries have been removed from the McCann's blog.

Other than to hide information, what possible reason could there be for this?

It follows then, that if they are hiding information, then they have something to hide.

Now, I'm sure that all of us here suspect that they have something to hide (and suspect that they know they have something to hide too), but whoosing information from their blog suggests that they now know, or suspect that some people (of an official capacity perhaps), are now looking at them more closely than they were in the past.

If they honestly believe that deleting anything incriminating now is going to achieve anything then they are either hopelessly naive, or desperate.
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Post by Joey Deacon 02.07.14 17:12

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
If they honestly believe that deleting anything incriminating now is going to achieve anything then they are either hopelessly naive, or desperate.

I agree, but they seem to have done it nonetheless.
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Post by Baldrick 02.07.14 17:14

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Joey Deacon wrote:I think that the most interesting news of the day is that a large swathe of bog entries have been removed from the McCann's blog.

Other than to hide information, what possible reason could there be for this?

It follows then, that if they are hiding information, then they have something to hide.

Now, I'm sure that all of us here suspect that they have something to hide (and suspect that they know they have something to hide too), but whoosing information from their blog suggests that they now know, or suspect that some people (of an official capacity perhaps), are now looking at them more closely than they were in the past.

If they honestly believe that deleting anything incriminating now is going to achieve anything then they are either hopelessly naive, or desperate.

Yes I think Desperate. IMO I wouldn't be surprised if excuses are not found to not go to Portugal next week
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Post by Cristobell 02.07.14 17:15

Woofer wrote:@ Cristobell - "I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer."

 Just my opinion but its hardly a `normal` man that has bestiality on CD Roms in his home - its totally sick and warped IMO (and I`m no Mary Whitehouse).
I don't know what he had on his computer Woofer, but this case has taught me not to believe what I read in the papers!
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Post by Sceptic 02.07.14 17:17

PeterMac wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28123433
Questioning of four suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation has concluded without any new developments, a source has told the BBC.
The source close to the inquiry played down the significance of the interviews with suspects in Portugal on Tuesday.
Portuguese detectives in Faro were observed during the questioning by officers from the Met Police, which is carrying out its own investigation.
Madeleine disappeared aged three in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.
The source told the BBC: "Questioning of the four suspects was concluded yesterday evening. Unfortunately the interviews have led to no new developments and we are back where we were seven years ago."

Well quite.
"back where we were 7 years ago", with -
No evidence of any unauthorised entry to the apartment
No evidence of any unauthorised exit from the apartment
No evidence of an abduction of a child from the apartment
Evidence of a dead body having been present in the apartment
Evidence of both parents lying about the circumstances
and so on and repetitively on.

And as for "playing down the significance" of formally detaining and interviewing no fewer than FOUR suspects, under caution, in full view of the world's press in a case which has captivated the world for nearly three quarters of a decade . . . Playing down the significance .. .?
Have they in fact got what they wanted.
They may have wanted negative evidence - by which I do not mean "No comment" but cast iron alibis for each one.

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
As Mr Andy Redwood said on the original crimewatch - Its like peeling back the layers of an onion
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Post by Sonmi-451 02.07.14 17:17

RE: The deleted blogs

I think that there may well have been something there they want to hide, but it might also conceivably be that they've just realised how incredibly 'up-beat' many of them were and that they thus under-mine their claim that they've been 'distressed' and 'hurt' over the last few years because of Dr Amaral's book. They may feel so desperate to bolster their case that they may have felt that a very last minute whooshing of a big chunk containing some of their chirpiest blogs was necessary just in case the judge hasn't scrolled through them yet !
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Post by NickE 02.07.14 17:17

Woofer wrote:From a 2011 thread by TB -  `Analysis - why did RM have encrypted material on his computer` :-

"The da Silvas

In view of the importance of the da Silva family in the various rounds of meetings Robert Murat had between Tuesday 1 May and Thursday 3 May, there has been interest in Murat’s connections with that family. Several other individuals with the surname ‘da Silva’ were contacted by the Portuguese Police in their enquiries.

Marina Castela (see above) gave a detailed witness statement in which she explained that the person responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A was an employee called Maria Julia Serafim da Silva. There has been speculation that she might be related to the da Silva father and sons whom Murat was so anxious to meet (as we have seen above) as soon as he returned to Praia da Luz in the early hours of Tuesday 1 May.

Another witness with the surname da Silva - Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - said was visiting the sister of her boyfriend in another Ocean Club apartment (Block 6, Apartment 5) during the afternoon and evening of 3 May. From the ground floor kitchen window of that apartment, there was a direct view across to the back windows of the apartment occupied by Madeleine McCann [Source: Police Files 02 - Processos Volume II, Pages 469 to 470a].

Unusually, some five days later, Maria was able to recall the exact time she left that apartment - 9.58pm. She says she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time, and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge. Maria da Silva left with her boyfriend in a green Opel Frontera, parked in the private parking area of Block 6. As they drove away, she recalled seeing a small car, perhaps grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment. By coincidence the route taken by GNR officer, Pedro Miguel Esteves Fernandes and the Search & Rescue dogs in the early hours of 4 May, lost track of Madeleine's scent in the private parking area of Block 6.

The following da Silvas are noted in the Portuguese Police files:

· Maria Julia Serafim da Silva - responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A - and supervised by Marina Castela

· JJorge Manuel da Silva - Businessman and shop owner that Murat and Walczuk meet with at golf club for several hours on the afternoon of May 3rd and elsewhere at other times

· Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - staying with the sister of boyfriend in Apartment Block 6 of the Ocean Club

· Celeste Da Conceicao Antao da Silva - A cleaner at the Ocean Club, Celeste is the first to report that there had been a spate of burglaries in the resort

· Joquim Silva - A member of the 100-strong Jehovah's Witness congregation, who did not confirm Michaela Walczuk's claim of aAttendance a JW meeting on the night of 3 May. He is featured in a report by the Evening Standard.


TB didn`t include the latest Arguido Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva who was a driver at the OC.

Just noticed when I was trying to find out what was found on RM`s computer.

Golf club,afternoon May 3rd?
The false last Photo placed Gerry by the pool at time,but where was he?

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Post by lj 02.07.14 17:18

SixMillionQuid wrote:Hairs found on the couch of Sergey Malinka had DNA very similar with Madeleine McCann’s

And yet hair samples found in 2007 were inconclusive. Come to think of it when was Malinka's couch searched?

Maybe they just compared the colour, like they did for the other hairs that were found in the McCann's rental car.

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Post by Newintown 02.07.14 17:19

Joey Deacon wrote:I think that the most interesting news of the day is that a large swathe of bog entries have been removed from the McCann's blog.

Other than to hide information, what possible reason could there be for this?

It follows then, that if they are hiding information, then they have something to hide.

Now, I'm sure that all of us here suspect that they have something to hide (and suspect that they know they have something to hide too), but whoosing information from their blog suggests that they now know, or suspect that some people (of an official capacity perhaps), are now looking at them more closely than they were in the past.

I doubt that will be even mentioned in the UK press, it will only be known to the people who use the websites regarding the McCanns but it is very telling as to how the McCanns are feeling at the moment - under siege I would think.

I was also thinking earlier that there have been no "sightings" of Madeleine for a very long time, perhaps since SY got involved with the investigation.  Again very telling.

P.S. I love your Freudian slip by the way -

that a large swathe of bog entries have been removed

It made me chuckle.    laughat

ETA: or was it a Freudian slip.  I think bog entries is more fitting.

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Post by True Liberty 02.07.14 17:22

So either it is going to be the biggest cover up in history which would mean the royal family was involved as they are the only one's would be afforded this protection.
Or else,  Redwood and his team are making a certain couple feel they have suspects nailed down so it would be safe for them to fly to the libel trial.
I am praying for the second option.
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Post by NickE 02.07.14 17:29

True Liberty wrote:So either it is going to be the biggest cover up in history which would mean the royal family was involved as they are the only one's would be afforded this protection.
Or else,  Redwood and his team are making a certain couple feel they have suspects nailed down so it would be safe for them to fly to the libel trial.
I am praying for the second option.

Yes and I that's why Amaral delayed the trial,maybe he got an order from PJ.

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Post by Baldrick 02.07.14 17:32

NickE wrote:
True Liberty wrote:So either it is going to be the biggest cover up in history which would mean the royal family was involved as they are the only one's would be afforded this protection.
Or else,  Redwood and his team are making a certain couple feel they have suspects nailed down so it would be safe for them to fly to the libel trial.
I am praying for the second option.

Yes and hope that's why Amaral delayed the trial,maybe he got an order from PJ.

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Post by Cristobell 02.07.14 17:33

ultimaThule wrote:
Cristobell wrote:I think if the McCanns had help, they would never have used the hire car to move the body - that was an act of desperation, Mark Harrison was due to arrive to conduct thorough searches.  The McCanns are both doctors, so too some of their friends, they would have worked with cadavers as students and would be familiar with the smell they leave behind, using their own car was incredibly risky, and not something they would have done if they had another option (a helper).

We are talking about the death of a child here.  How likely is it that the parents would have trusted complete strangers? Why would Malenka or Murat get involved in such a heinous crime to assist people they don't know in the disposal of a child's body?  What were the chances of the McCanns holidaying in a small Portuguese resort, that they had never been to before, finding such hardened criminals among the locals?

I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer. 

I agree with others, who think SY are ticking boxes created by the McCanns.  They tried their damnest to pin the crime on Robert Murat, and they will clutch any straw that might get them off the hook.

While I incline to the view that the McCanns did not have help when moving the body, you have made a number of assertions that I cannot agree with, Cristobell, as:

1. Medical students do not dissect decomposed cadavers and the predominant odour in the path lab is that of formaldehyde,

I believe doctors would be familiar with the smell of cadaverine.  You don't.  That's fine.  Should add Doctors are often called out to certify a death, and such is life, bodies are not always 'fresh' - particularly among the elderly and those who live alone, where they can go undiscovered for hours, days, weeks.

2, 'Normal' men don't keep porn on their computers and I would regard any man that does with suspicion. .  

I recently watched a documentary about teens and porn.  About 99% of the boys said the first thing they looked up online was porn.  It made me laugh.  Most men (and some women) like porn, that's a fact - the porn industry would not exist if they didn't.

3.  The absence of a criminal record is no indication of probity as all convicted criminals once had no record of offending and some long practising criminals die with a clean sheet.

Indeed. But one of the defences used by the McCanns is their lack of previous.  We may as well completely scrap the CRB forms, if they are meaningless as you say.  Unfortunately it is one of the few ways we have in judging a person's character, and on the whole, it proves effective.

4.. Gerry had been to Portugal before the couple's MW holiday and the McCanns, together with the twins and an older female child, were allegedly seen on a beach close to PDL at Easter 2007.


Yes, I read he had been on a golfing holiday to the Algarve, but as far as I know he did not stay in PDL, nor was he familiar with the area. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I've never seen anything to suggest he had been there before.  As for the 'alleged' sighting in Easter 2007, I'll file that under Stephen Birch etc.   smilie  
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Post by noddy100 02.07.14 17:33

But if they knew this was the case why didn't they arrest them when they were there?
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Post by HelenMeg 02.07.14 17:35

NickE wrote:
Woofer wrote:From a 2011 thread by TB -  `Analysis - why did RM have encrypted material on his computer` :-

"The da Silvas

In view of the importance of the da Silva family in the various rounds of meetings Robert Murat had between Tuesday 1 May and Thursday 3 May, there has been interest in Murat’s connections with that family. Several other individuals with the surname ‘da Silva’ were contacted by the Portuguese Police in their enquiries.

Marina Castela (see above) gave a detailed witness statement in which she explained that the person responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A was an employee called Maria Julia Serafim da Silva. There has been speculation that she might be related to the da Silva father and sons whom Murat was so anxious to meet (as we have seen above) as soon as he returned to Praia da Luz in the early hours of Tuesday 1 May.

Another witness with the surname da Silva - Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - said was visiting the sister of her boyfriend in another Ocean Club apartment (Block 6, Apartment 5) during the afternoon and evening of 3 May. From the ground floor kitchen window of that apartment, there was a direct view across to the back windows of the apartment occupied by Madeleine McCann [Source: Police Files 02 - Processos Volume II, Pages 469 to 470a].

Unusually, some five days later, Maria was able to recall the exact time she left that apartment - 9.58pm. She says she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time, and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge. Maria da Silva left with her boyfriend in a green Opel Frontera, parked in the private parking area of Block 6. As they drove away, she recalled seeing a small car, perhaps grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment. By coincidence the route taken by GNR officer, Pedro Miguel Esteves Fernandes and the Search & Rescue dogs in the early hours of 4 May, lost track of Madeleine's scent in the private parking area of Block 6.

The following da Silvas are noted in the Portuguese Police files:

· Maria Julia Serafim da Silva - responsible for cleaning Apartment 5A - and supervised by Marina Castela

· JJorge Manuel da Silva - Businessman and shop owner that Murat and Walczuk meet with at golf club for several hours on the afternoon of May 3rd and elsewhere at other times

· Maria Manuela Martins da Silva - staying with the sister of boyfriend in Apartment Block 6 of the Ocean Club

· Celeste Da Conceicao Antao da Silva - A cleaner at the Ocean Club, Celeste is the first to report that there had been a spate of burglaries in the resort

· Joquim Silva - A member of the 100-strong Jehovah's Witness congregation, who did not confirm Michaela Walczuk's claim of aAttendance a JW meeting on the night of 3 May. He is featured in a report by the Evening Standard.


TB didn`t include the latest Arguido Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva who was a driver at the OC.

Just noticed when I was trying to find out what was found on RM`s computer.

Golf club,afternoon May 3rd?
The false last Photo placed Gerry by the pool at time,but where was he?
Exactly - the last photo, IMO, was not designed to place Madeleine alive at a certain time, but was to provide an alibi for Gerry at a certain time.
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Post by Baldrick 02.07.14 17:41

noddy100 wrote:But if they knew this was the case why didn't they arrest them when they were there?

Maybe waiting for confirmation on something from the digs, I still find it hard to believe they went in digging blind. They must have been looking for something
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Post by HelenMeg 02.07.14 17:41

True Liberty wrote:So either it is going to be the biggest cover up in history which would mean the royal family was involved as they are the only one's would be afforded this protection.
Or else,  Redwood and his team are making a certain couple feel they have suspects nailed down so it would be safe for them to fly to the libel trial.
I am praying for the second option.

I am torn between both options still.
I am also feeling that not even Redwood knows whether its a cover up or a mission to arrive at the truth. He is being given a remit by someone.  I do think Redwood is capable of
game-playing as this was in evidence on the October Crimewatch when the Mc Canns were positioned beneath the Smithman e-fits.

I dont think that necessarily a Royal needs to be involved but certainly a few establishment figures - and certainly people who sit across the main political parties. Both DC and GB have felt the pressure of this.

I think a cover up is/ was on the cards but they are finding it astonishingly difficult to execute a cover-up and are having gradually to resort to the truth or at least an exposure of some of the truth.

PS. For anyone interested -Textusa's blog site is commenting on the latest interviews in accordance with J Morais - labelled ' OUTRAGEOUS'.
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Post by Woofer 02.07.14 17:45

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Woofer wrote:
TB didn`t include the latest Arguido Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva who was a driver at the OC.

Just noticed when I was trying to find out what was found on RM`s computer.

All true, but to say that da Silva is a common Portuguese name is something of an understatement.

The racing driver Ayrton Senna was actually called Ayrton Da Silva but preferred to go by his mother's maiden name as every other Brazilian racing driver was already called Da Silva, and he wanted his name to be memorable.


Yeah - I had an idea it was a common name - anyway I never did find out what RM had on his computer besides encrypted stuff he`s tried to clean off.  I`m sure I`ve read somewhere he had b********* on it same as SM.  One cannot google using the word b********* , there is some sort of European ban on that word.

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Post by True Liberty 02.07.14 17:47

Helenmeg,  The reason I say it must be royalty because if you watched the House of Cards,  you see that the oppositing political forces are vulturish in their seeking blood and death potential in the oppositon and then they pounce.  There is no holding back.  Politically speaking there is no protection for anyone at the end of the day.
We know Dianna was murdered.  And yet nothing has been done about it.
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Post by HelenMeg 02.07.14 17:54

True Liberty wrote:Helenmeg,  The reason I say it must be royalty because if you watched the House of Cards,  you see that the oppositing political forces are vulturish in their seeking blood and death potential in the oppositon and then they pounce.  There is no holding back.  Politically speaking there is no protection for anyone at the end of the day.
We know Dianna was murdered.  And yet nothing has been done about it.
Yes I agree with you it sits above political parties !
I also believe this is to be a cover up .
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Post by riskybuisness 02.07.14 17:56

If  this was to be a white wash then I don't think that the SY would want to pull in anyone for questioning that may say something that could give the PJ more info to help them with their investigation.  What if during the questioning of any of the suspects/witnesses end up saying something that incriminates any to the tapas group - the PJ would also then have that info.  If this really was a cover up to protect someone - it would be have been buried by now (and the maccans too probably)
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Post by Guest 02.07.14 17:59

HelenMeg wrote:
True Liberty wrote:Helenmeg,  The reason I say it must be royalty because if you watched the House of Cards,  you see that the oppositing political forces are vulturish in their seeking blood and death potential in the oppositon and then they pounce.  There is no holding back.  Politically speaking there is no protection for anyone at the end of the day.
We know Dianna was murdered.  And yet nothing has been done about it.
Yes I agree with you it sits above political parties !
I also believe this is to be a cover up .

Welcome True Liberty.  Let's have this correct please.  We do not know she was murdered.  You may think so, others may think so, I might even think so, but it is not fact.......you have no proof, therefore just your opinion. many do not believe your theory and think it was a genuine accident. I don't want this going onto a Diana topic, but just making it clear we know nothing of the sort. You cannot include this forum in your opinion.
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Post by joel27 02.07.14 18:00

SixMillionQuid wrote:Hairs found on the couch of Sergey Malinka had DNA very similar with Madeleine McCann’s

And yet hair samples found in 2007 were inconclusive. Come to think of it when was Malinka's couch searched?
I am struggling to keep up but DNA similar keeps bugging me, if they found hair that was a match then surely they would be far more questions to answer, so what does similar mean. The one question that I dont expect the answer to,  is it similar to the DNA found in the back of the hire car that the MCanns had. Of course the other question the original DNA sample are there not isuues that this could be flawed trouble in finding DNA samples in the apartment. Similar could it be a relative ,sibling, parent......   Any other similar samples.
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Post by Woofer 02.07.14 18:01

riskybuisness wrote:If  this was to be a white wash then I don't think that the SY would want to pull in anyone for questioning that may say something that could give the PJ more info to help them with their investigation.  What if during the questioning of any of the suspects/witnesses end up saying something that incriminates any to the tapas group - the PJ would also then have that info.  If this really was a cover up to protect someone - it would be have been buried by now (and the maccans too probably)

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