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Post by Markus 2 24.06.14 20:55

sallypelt wrote:
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ultimaThule wrote:I don't buy into the 'freemason angle; as being the reason why justice has yet to be done in this case, or why it won't be done.

However,  as cardiology is a highly competitive speciality and one in which there is no shortage of exceptionally talented applicants at every level of hospital medicine, I find it remarkable that a Glaswegian lecturer in sports medicine with no notable research to his name was able to change careers after some 7 years to become a registrar in Leceistershire.



 

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Yes I noticed that . Useful to their cause, as was Shipman.  Imo Freemasonry is involved, this, came from Dr Amoral himself, "G M is being protected by the establishment ".or words similar.

By being politically correct, or by defending something that in my view it's not only the McCanns. It's something more. It's that whole group and everything that went on within that group of doctors, a reflection of the English society itself. i. e Freemasonry imo


and if people cant believe him on this then why  bother to believe in what he  says at all.

Marcus, I take it that your reference to Dr Amaral is a typing error, when you typed "Dr Amoral". This is what some of the "pros" call a decent, honest man, whose only "crime" is fighting for truth and justice.

I can't believe some of the things I am reading on this thread. No one believes in free speech more than I do, but let's base it on facts, and proof of those facts.

As someone has already pointed out, about freemasons, there are different degrees within the freemasonry. My son-in-law's later father was a lower order freemason, and had none of the powers that some members talk about on here. I have no knowledge of GM being a freemason, but one can be assured, if he was anyone of importance within the structure, we would know about it.


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Thank you for that .

 
As regard your son- in- laws father I have no doubt that the rules apply no matter what level you are . Rules are  rules aren't they ,or are you saying some Freemasons don't abide by them.  I really don't think that is the case.
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Post by sallypelt 24.06.14 21:05

Markus 2 wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
Markus 2 wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:I don't buy into the 'freemason angle; as being the reason why justice has yet to be done in this case, or why it won't be done.

However,  as cardiology is a highly competitive speciality and one in which there is no shortage of exceptionally talented applicants at every level of hospital medicine, I find it remarkable that a Glaswegian lecturer in sports medicine with no notable research to his name was able to change careers after some 7 years to become a registrar in Leceistershire.



 

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Yes I noticed that . Useful to their cause, as was Shipman.  Imo Freemasonry is involved, this, came from Dr Amoral himself, "G M is being protected by the establishment ".or words similar.

By being politically correct, or by defending something that in my view it's not only the McCanns. It's something more. It's that whole group and everything that went on within that group of doctors, a reflection of the English society itself. i. e Freemasonry imo


and if people cant believe him on this then why  bother to believe in what he  says at all.

Marcus, I take it that your reference to Dr Amaral is a typing error, when you typed "Dr Amoral". This is what some of the "pros" call a decent, honest man, whose only "crime" is fighting for truth and justice.

I can't believe some of the things I am reading on this thread. No one believes in free speech more than I do, but let's base it on facts, and proof of those facts.

As someone has already pointed out, about freemasons, there are different degrees within the freemasonry. My son-in-law's later father was a lower order freemason, and had none of the powers that some members talk about on here. I have no knowledge of GM being a freemason, but one can be assured, if he was anyone of importance within the structure, we would know about it.


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Thank you for that .

 
As regard your son- in- laws father I have no doubt that the rules apply no matter what level you are . Rules are  rules aren't they ,or are you saying some Freemasons don't abide by them.  I really don't think that is the case.
"You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons, except murder and treason, and these only at ... (Edmond Ronayne, "Masonic Handbook," page 183) ...

You are asking a question and answering it, yourself. No, I did NOT say anything about my Son-in-law's father not abiding by the rules. I said that those "at the bottom" have less power than those at the very top. Now, please do not put words into my  mouth.

I have said my piece, so I won't be commenting further on the structure of freemasons. It's all there on the internet if you want to look into it.
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Post by Monty Heck 24.06.14 21:35

[/quote]
During the trial, at least as far as I have read/heard that was not really brought up in a scientific way. Neither was the suffering imo, some half soft statement of friends and family really does not make the case, again imo. 

IMO it would be hard to prove, on the other side as soon as the word human rights falls fuses seem to blow and logical thinking goes out the window, so who knows.[/quote]


A couple who can run not just one but marathons plural and are able between them to hold down a stressful and responsible job and run what is effectively a business and media enterprise, non profit or otherwise, would have great difficulty in providing proof of genuine lasting mental and physical suffering. That KMcC in particular looks worn out or haggard (seemingly dependent on circumstances/occasion) cannot be disuputed but the cause is at least if not more likely to lie with her food intake coupled with what seems an excessive fitness regime. The face of a middle aged woman almost entirely lacking in body fat will tend to look like a deflated balloon, with premature bags and wrinkles because there is no subcutaneous fat as padding between skin and bone structure. As Liz Taylor once famously said, once a woman reaches a certain age, it becomes a choice between face and figure.

None of this is to say that KMcC has not experienced genuine suffering or loss, but her appearance being considerably worse now than at the beginning of this case seems more likely attributable to lifestyle choice rather than mental state. As you say LJ they were unable to produce genuine expert testimony to uphold the claim of mental and physical suffering and it will be interesting to hear the Judge's opinions.
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During the trial, at least as far as I have read/heard that was not really brought up in a scientific way. Neither was the suffering imo, some half soft statement of friends and family really does not make the case, again imo. 

IMO it would be hard to prove, on the other side as soon as the word human rights falls fuses seem to blow and logical thinking goes out the window, so who knows.[/quote]


A couple who can run not just one but marathons plural and are able between them to hold down a stressful and responsible job and run what is effectively a business and media enterprise, non profit or otherwise, would have great difficulty in providing proof of genuine lasting mental and physical suffering.  That KMcC in particular looks worn out or haggard (seemingly dependent on circumstances/occasion) cannot be disuputed but the cause is at least if not more likely to lie with her food intake coupled with what seems an excessive fitness regime. The face of a middle aged woman almost entirely lacking in body fat will tend to look like a deflated balloon, with premature bags and wrinkles because there is no subcutaneous fat as padding between skin and bone structure.  As Liz Taylor once famously said, once a woman reaches a certain age, it becomes a choice between face and figure.

None of this is to say that KMcC has not experienced genuine suffering or loss, but her appearance being considerably worse now than at the beginning of this case seems more likely attributable to lifestyle choice rather than mental state.  As you say LJ they were unable to produce genuine expert testimony to uphold the claim of mental and physical suffering and it will be interesting to hear the Judge's opinions.  [/quote]



 
I don't understand the McCann's behaviour regarding this court case. They created and pursued this case, how could they believe they could win without evidence?
Whilst it may be difficult to prove GA hampered the investigation to find Madeleine, you would assume it would be very easy for them to get evidence to support their claims that they and the twins have suffered emotionally.
 
The twins must have suffered due to the stress that has been in the family since Madeleine went missing. If they haven’t already, I’m sure it would be easy to have them referred for a psych assessment and counselling. I think not having done so would be quite negligent on their and their doctor’s parts.
 
As for the MCs, I’m sure any doctor would sympathise with the disappearance of your child and prescribe you medications for anxiety and depression if you informed them of your stress and inability to cope. I’m sure being referred to specialists in mental health would be straight forward for them as well. If that didn’t work I’m sure they could find the money to get a private assessment to support their case. A lot of behaviours we see could then be attributed to extreme stress. For example, going running soon after your child goes missing seems strange. Marathon running when suffering emotionally due to GA’s book seems strange. Explain running as a compulsive behaviour in response to stress, and KM would be creating a much more believable image of a distraught woman.



I don't understand why they haven't used the case to explain a lot of their odd behaviour over the years. Use the interviews they'd give after the case to subtly address the doubters and gain sympathy again.
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Post by Bishop Brennan 24.06.14 23:05

The judge would find it extraordinary if the McCanns had not spent years of suffering and anguish. They have lost their daughter who is almost certainly dead, although they are adding to their suffering by continual denial. 

However their suffering is not the issue, or even up for debate.  The question only arises in the event that "defamation" is proved. And even if proved, then they must quantify how much of the suffering is due to the book and not just the natural suffering of losing a child / sibling. 

Very hard to prove defamation.  Even harder to quantify additional suffering.  Reading the transcripts, the case was poorly presented and did not prove either.  It was largely a "poor McCanns" testimony with no obvious legal plan or structure.  

So they should lose the case. The sad part is that even if it he wins, it is Amaral who has suffered immensely because of the book - not the McCanns who simply seemed to use it as a means to raise their profile and go after some more libel money.
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Post by jeanmonroe 24.06.14 23:34

If the McCanns 'lose' will GA be able to counter sue them for OBVIOUS 'stress' and all 'symptoms' in the McCanns 'claim' against him 'caused' to him by the McCanns?

A writ from GA to McCanns?

That he is
‘deeply and seriously depressed”
and suffering from:
permanent anxiety
insomnia
lack of appetite
irritability,
indefinable fear:
“totally destroyed”
“irreparably damaged”,
and “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”

GA would have a good case, against them, wouldn't he?

ps: WHAT exactly is 'indefinable fear'?

(I might be suffering from it! Might explain some of my 'stranger' posts  winkwink  winkwink )
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Post by petunia 25.06.14 0:07

GA is a forgiving man imo if he wins this case that will be good enough for him, Justice for Madeleine is all he cares about. I doubt he will condem and claim victory over Kate and Gerry i am sure he will feel nothing but pitty for them.
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Post by canada12 25.06.14 2:20

I don't think Kate and Gerry ever expected this case to run its full course. Every other lawsuit they've brought before the court has been settled out of court. They offered to settle out of court with GA and he refused. So they were stuck with having to mount a credible case. And it seems, IMO, they were not able to find a credible professional to testify that they had suffered the damage they claimed.
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Post by plebgate 25.06.14 9:06

petunia wrote:GA is a forgiving man imo if he wins this case that will be good enough for him, Justice for Madeleine is all he cares about. I doubt he will condem and claim victory over Kate and Gerry i am sure he will feel nothing but pitty for them.
I think you might be right petunia, but the  Internet World will do the condemning, I truly believe that.   I don't think they can escape huge criticism if they lose.
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Post by Angelique 25.06.14 10:55

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You wrote:

Snip: "I don't understand the McCann's behaviour regarding this court case. They created and pursued this case, how could they believe they could win without evidence?"

I hope I am wrong but from all the past experience of dealing with TM and their machinations it is possible that they don't really need to have any "corroborative evidence" to present. They didn't seem at all concerned about producing said evidence. More about "spinning on the Court steps" making flying visits etc. If they have got protection from the UK Government, SY and Uncle Tom Cobly then evidence doesn't really matter.

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Post by Guest 25.06.14 11:18

plebgate wrote:
petunia wrote:GA is a forgiving man imo if he wins this case that will be good enough for him, Justice for Madeleine is all he cares about. I doubt he will condem and claim victory over Kate and Gerry i am sure he will feel nothing but pitty for them.
I think you might be right petunia, but the  Internet World will do the condemning, I truly believe that.   I don't think they can escape huge criticism if they lose.

Well quite. But what will that actually achieve? What else could we do apart from shout and scream into the ether?

It's imperative for justice they lose this trial, in my opinion.
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Post by Brian Griffin 25.06.14 18:24

Dee Coy wrote:It's imperative for justice they lose this trial, in my opinion.
Justice?  spit coffee
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Post by Cristobell 25.06.14 19:17

Its important to remember that the McCanns ban on Goncalo's book 'Truth of the Lie' was overturned by the Portuguese Supreme Court in 2010.  It was deemed not libellous and is back on sale.  Why they continued to pursue a claim for compensation after this is a mystery, imo the financial claim was lost when the book was 'unbanned'.

As others have pointed out, they spectacularly failed to prove their case, probably because they never expected to take the case to a full trial.  Clearly no-one has stopped searching for Madeleine and the only threat to the twins came from the lurid claims introduced by Michael Wright that internet trolls were going to kidnap them, a claim he couldn't prove, but one that made tabloid headlines in the UK where the twins could read them.  This was something that could have been avoided, but the McCanns (as usual) wanted publicity for the trial.

Stupid boy 'Pike' did not have the expertise or the qualifications to be considered an expert psychologist by the Judge. His job in the trial was to convince the Judge that Kate and Gerry had suffered psychologically from the release of Goncalo's book.  In fairness, not even a 'proper' psychologist could have done the job, the all singing all dancing McCanns have never been off our TV screens.  We all know about the their physical prowess and their ability to carry on regardless.  Depression and anxiety did not curb their fundraising or their enthusiasm to become famous ambassadors for government initiatives and charities. 

As for the suffering of the twins and their claim for compensation.  Their 'pain and suffering' is hypothetical.  The McCanns and their expert, are basing it on what the twins may read on the internet in the future.  This aspect of the claim is especially absurd.  As this is the most publicised missing child case in the world, there is no way to prevent what the twins will read online, and even if every word written by Goncalo Amaral, were removed from the WWW, it wouldn't make so much as a dent in the masses of information that is already out there. 

I've said it before, but will say it again, the McCanns are now facing complete ruin.  It really doesn't matter who still does or doesn't support them, when it gets down to cold hard cash, they are on their own, and the costs of this long running case will go into millions. No millionaire, or billionaire would ever underwrite a legal action of this kind, because embarking on it was sheer madness. Even if SY and the PJ eventually declare them innocent, which I doubt, it will be too late.  The piper must be paid.
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Post by Beanie 25.06.14 21:40

Excellent post Cristobell.
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Post by Tony Bennett 25.06.14 21:55

Cristobell wrote:Its important to remember that the McCanns ban on Goncalo's book 'Truth of the Lie' was overturned by the Portuguese Supreme Court in 2010. 

By the Appeal Court in 2010, confirmd by the Supreme Court in 2011.

It was deemed not libellous and is back on sale.  Why they continued to pursue a claim for compensation after this is a mystery, imo the financial claim was lost when the book was 'unbanned'.

Banning the book and gaining compensation were two separate, albeit related, causes of action

As others have pointed out, they spectacularly failed to prove their case, probably because they never expected to take the case to a full trial. 

A small point here. I do not necessarily think the Portuguese judge will agree with you. Stranger things have happened in this case and others. It is also possible that the judge might die before these absurdly long proceedings are concluded. What happens then?
    

Clearly no-one has stopped searching for Madeleine and the only threat to the twins came from the lurid claims introduced by Michael Wright that internet trolls were going to kidnap them, a claim he couldn't prove, but one that made tabloid headlines in the UK where the twins could read them.  This was something that could have been avoided, but the McCanns (as usual) wanted publicity for the trial.

Stupid boy 'Pike' did not have the expertise or the qualifications to be considered an expert psychologist by the Judge. His job in the trial was to convince the Judge that Kate and Gerry had suffered psychologically from the release of Goncalo's book.  In fairness, not even a 'proper' psychologist could have done the job, the all singing all dancing McCanns have never been off our TV screens.  We all know about the their physical prowess and their ability to carry on regardless. 

Depression and anxiety did not curb their fundraising or their enthusiasm to become famous ambassadors for government initiatives and charities. 

Quite so. They were able to function well on so many levels and in so many different ways. And still are, of course
 
As for the suffering of the twins and their claim for compensation.  Their 'pain and suffering' is hypothetical.  The McCanns and their expert, are basing it on what the twins may read on the internet in the future.  This aspect of the claim is especially absurd.  As this is the most publicised missing child case in the world, there is no way to prevent what the twins will read online, and even if every word written by Goncalo Amaral, were removed from the WWW, it wouldn't make so much as a dent in the masses of information that is already out there. 

I've said it before, but will say it again, the McCanns are now facing complete ruin.  It really doesn't matter who still does or doesn't support them, when it gets down to cold hard cash, they are on their own,

Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them

and the costs of this long running case will go into millions. No millionaire, or billionaire would ever underwrite a legal action of this kind, because embarking on it was sheer madness. Even if SY and the PJ eventually declare them innocent, which I doubt, it will be too late.  The piper must be paid.

It is also quite possible that this whole long saga could end up as a draw. The result could be, for example:

1. A technical, minor libel - each side must pay their own costs

2. No libel, but Amaral went too far and so each side must pay their own costs.

I am not persauded there will be a clear winner to whom the loser must pay all the opponent's costs and court costs

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Post by Beanie 25.06.14 22:07

Quote Tony,


Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them....



In what way would the British government be funding the McCanns Tony ?
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Tony Bennett wrote:
Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them










What makes you think that Tony?  Do you have any proof of this?
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Post by roy rovers 25.06.14 22:38

Beanie wrote:Quote Tony,


Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them....



In what way would the British government be funding the McCanns Tony ?

Could be the English Tourist Board  big grin 
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Post by Cristobell 25.06.14 22:47

Tony Bennett wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Its important to remember that the McCanns ban on Goncalo's book 'Truth of the Lie' was overturned by the Portuguese Supreme Court in 2010. 

By the Appeal Court in 2010, confirmd by the Supreme Court in 2011.

It was deemed not libellous and is back on sale.  Why they continued to pursue a claim for compensation after this is a mystery, imo the financial claim was lost when the book was 'unbanned'.

Banning the book and gaining compensation were two separate, albeit related, causes of action

As others have pointed out, they spectacularly failed to prove their case, probably because they never expected to take the case to a full trial. 

A small point here. I do not necessarily think the Portuguese judge will agree with you. Stranger things have happened in this case and others. It is also possible that the judge might die before these absurdly long proceedings are concluded. What happens then?

The judge might die?  I think that is taking cynicism a tad too far Tony.
    

Clearly no-one has stopped searching for Madeleine and the only threat to the twins came from the lurid claims introduced by Michael Wright that internet trolls were going to kidnap them, a claim he couldn't prove, but one that made tabloid headlines in the UK where the twins could read them.  This was something that could have been avoided, but the McCanns (as usual) wanted publicity for the trial.

Stupid boy 'Pike' did not have the expertise or the qualifications to be considered an expert psychologist by the Judge. His job in the trial was to convince the Judge that Kate and Gerry had suffered psychologically from the release of Goncalo's book.  In fairness, not even a 'proper' psychologist could have done the job, the all singing all dancing McCanns have never been off our TV screens.  We all know about the their physical prowess and their ability to carry on regardless. 

Depression and anxiety did not curb their fundraising or their enthusiasm to become famous ambassadors for government initiatives and charities. 

Quite so. They were able to function well on so many levels and in so many different ways. And still are, of course
 
As for the suffering of the twins and their claim for compensation.  Their 'pain and suffering' is hypothetical.  The McCanns and their expert, are basing it on what the twins may read on the internet in the future.  This aspect of the claim is especially absurd.  As this is the most publicised missing child case in the world, there is no way to prevent what the twins will read online, and even if every word written by Goncalo Amaral, were removed from the WWW, it wouldn't make so much as a dent in the masses of information that is already out there. 

I've said it before, but will say it again, the McCanns are now facing complete ruin.  It really doesn't matter who still does or doesn't support them, when it gets down to cold hard cash, they are on their own,

Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them

What alternative sources of funding Tony?  The millionaires have jumped ship and the idea that the British government will pay off the McCanns' losses in a Portuguese libel court is absurd - it would be major fraud and questions would be asked in Parliament.  Just looking at the McCanns you can see that they are deep deep trouble.

and the costs of this long running case will go into millions. No millionaire, or billionaire would ever underwrite a legal action of this kind, because embarking on it was sheer madness. Even if SY and the PJ eventually declare them innocent, which I doubt, it will be too late.  The piper must be paid.

It is also quite possible that this whole long saga could end up as a draw. The result could be, for example:

1. A technical, minor libel - each side must pay their own costs

2. No libel, but Amaral went too far and so each side must pay their own costs.

I am not persauded there will be a clear winner to whom the loser must pay all the opponent's costs and court costs


A 'draw' might be likely if the McCanns had presented any sort of case, but they failed miserably.  They did not prove the search was harmed and they did not prove that they have suffered stress/depression etc as a result of Goncalo's book.  We all watched the trial closely Tony, what points did the McCanns make that proved their case?  The McCanns claimed not have read the book, ditto the pathetic witnesses they produced, one of whom claimed she saw it on sale in the UK, which was a complete lie. 

In addition, they failed to prove that the release of Goncalo's book was more traumatic to them than being made Arguidoes, and of course, its utterly ridiculous to claim it was worse than losing their daughter. 

I don't blame you for being cynical Tony, but the trial went really well for Goncalo, and the McCanns have well and truly reached the end of their winning streak.  The McCanns were trying to settle before the case began, whilst they may be able to schmooze the press and public, their case simply does not stand up in a Court of law.  Have faith Tony!





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Post by maebee 25.06.14 22:51

Tony Bennett:
Here I am absolutely sure you are in error, Cristobell. They most certainly have alternative sources of funding, and I think the British government might be one of them

David Cameron? Nice to know that some judges stand up to him: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/25/david-cameron-high-court-judge-andy-coulson-comments
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Post by Tony Bennett 25.06.14 23:07

@ Beanie @ candyfloss @Cristobell

The government funds all manner of secret and embarrassing things through one method or another which you'll never be able to trace through government accounts. Bribes to foreign potentates for contracts for a kick-off - running into hundreds of millions of pounds a year - government (taxpayer's) money all allocated to acceptabe codes so that you can't actually work out where the money went.
  
Have you read my various threads on Kevin Halligen, Henri Exton and Gary Hagland? - all of whom had government connections, and two of whom if not all three had substantial previous experience in money laundering. Exton worked at a top job within the Ministry of Defence for which he received an O.B.E. and the Queen's Police Medal - but not only that, he has been stated on the record (and not denied) to have been the Head of Covert Intelligence for MI5. Three men strongly connected with the government and with the right connections and experience to arrange financial help to the McCanns when needed.

And have you considered the vast expense of (probably) £5 million-plus spent on lawyers by the McCanns? - see my thread 'Compendium of Lawyers Used by the McCanns'? It is unlikely in the extreme that the McCanns themselves, out of their own pockets, and 'Madeleine's Fund' have paid all these fees.

Who paid the fees for example for three members of IFLG to fly out to Portugal, and then represent them in the High Court Ward of Court proceedings?

The McCanns themselves? I don't think so. In fact, who arranged for IFLG to come out to Portugal in the first place?

The British government has been heavily involved in this case from the help British Ambassador and his staff gave from Day One, through the full-time appointment of the Director of the government's top media unit, down to the bowing of David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, to the demands of the McCanns for a Review and the subsequent extraordinary doings of Operation Grange - led by the man who pinned the professional killing of Jill Dando on loner Barry Bulsara/George.  

I think Cristobell is suggesting that the McCanns are now 'on their own' financially and 'facing ruin'. The above and other facts strongly suggest otherwise

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by sharonl 25.06.14 23:17

If Halligen is guilty of fraud to the extent that we have been told of, why is he not currently in prison?  Another is Ernie Allen (with links to the Whitehouse) of NCMEC, alleged to be guilty of 400 individual cases of child kidnap fraud but still free to carry on what he is doing.  Why?
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Post by jeanmonroe 26.06.14 0:59

maebee wrote:

David Cameron? Nice to know that some judges stand up to him: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/25/david-cameron-high-court-judge-andy-coulson-comments

And dosen't Cameron have previous 'form' on doing this.?

Remember Cameron's 'I'm on Team Nigella'?

Said during an ongoing 'case' brought against the 'house keeper/personal assistants' sisters'?

Who i might add, were cleared, even after Cameron's 'comment', designed, imo, to get the case 'halted/derailed' before 'verdict'

Would i be 'surprised' if Cameron were to accidentally mention 'the poor, devastated, frustrated, depressed  McCanns' in the run up to the next libel case date?

Er, NO!.

ps: Anyone know what the entire McCann family, the Healy's, and the T7, actually did, yesterday, to 'find' their 'missing' family member, and (T7) their friends child?

Or what they will ALL 'do' TODAY, to 'find' Madeleine?

Or is it NOW, as seems to have been from day1, somebody else's 'job' to 'find' her?

And nothing to do with THEM!

A case of "WE 'lost' her, YOU 'find' her"!

pps: Did the McCanns go to PDL, only 183kms away from Lisbon, and actually 'search', for a 'live' Madeleine, after early closure of libel case, on 16th June?
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Post by Lioned 26.06.14 8:00

Will the mccanns ever be able to risk being seen to be living beyond their means ?

That is when we may know what finances they have available to them.

Too many people dislike them already.

That would be the end of them,to finally be seen to have made a career from their Daughters 'demise'.

They would have to hide away for good in their Caribbean Island ?
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Post by fossey 26.06.14 8:16

Lioned wrote:Will the mccanns ever be able to risk being seen to be living beyond their means ?

That is when we may know what finances they have available to them.

Too many people dislike them already.

That would be the end of them,to finally be seen to have made a career from their Daughters 'demise'.

They would have to hide away for good in their Caribbean Island ?
I think they have been doing for about 7 years. 

Mortgage paid off?

Just surprised G has not been snapped driving around in a Ferrari that I'm sure he's itching to buy.
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