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Post by Watchingthespincycle on 22.06.14 14:28

Hi, I've been lurking for ages, and have now just registered. I'm really impressed with the posters and posts on here, who are well researched, intelligent and not prone to hysteria. Which makes the points easily understandable and doesn't allow the nay Sayers to accuse you all of being mad conspiracy theorists. I've also changed from the mobile to the full site and am a bit lost so man apologies if this is in the wrong place. 
After seeing that Jane was seemingly absent above, I have to wonder how the relationships are now within the tapas group. Does anybody know? 
Also, I do wonder about the village of Rothley. They were behind the McCanns at one time, but it seems quiet now. How do the people that see or even know them view them? Is there still the support?

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Post by Hicks on 22.06.14 20:46

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Post by Watchingthespincycle on 22.06.14 21:03

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Post by HelenMeg on 22.06.14 21:11

Watchingthespincycle wrote:Hi, I've been lurking for ages, and have now just registered. I'm really impressed with the posters and posts on here, who are well researched, intelligent and not prone to hysteria. Which makes the points easily understandable and doesn't allow the nay Sayers to accuse you all of being mad conspiracy theorists. I've also changed from the mobile to the full site and am a bit lost so man apologies if this is in the wrong place. 
After seeing that Jane was seemingly absent above, I have to wonder how the relationships are now within the tapas group. Does anybody know? 
Also, I do wonder about the village of Rothley. They were behind the McCanns at one time, but it seems quiet now. How do the people that see or even know them view them? Is there still the support?
Hi there !

I also am intrigued in the answers to your questions - but sadly there is little or no info on this.

My Uncle lives in Rothley - I used to ask questions a few years ago but was always met with a silence.. they didn't seem to like talking about it and being in their 70's I didnt want to force
questions. It was like 'it wasn't the done thing to talk about it.'
It might be different now.
The only info Ive seen lately is Rachael running with the Mc Canns on that Charity run last month.. so she's still obviously on board

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Post by Watchingthespincycle on 22.06.14 23:17

I just bet it's one of those subjects not to be mentioned there. 
It's just been a thought of mine that the police digging may have some new evidence (not that any more should be needed!!) and maybe one of the tapas group had broken under the pressure after so long. 
As to the village, I just feel they must, if interested, see the real picture here.

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 2:19

HelenMeg wrote:Hi there !

I also am intrigued in the answers to your questions - but sadly there is little or no info on this.

My Uncle lives in Rothley - I used to ask questions a few years ago but was always met with a silence.. they didn't seem to like talking about it and being in their 70's I didnt want to force
questions. It was like 'it wasn't the done thing to talk about it.'
It might be different now.
The only info Ive seen lately is Rachael running with the Mc Canns on that Charity run last month.. so she's still obviously on board
I find that very interesting in that even your own Uncle doesn't want to talk about it and their appears to be a wall of silence around the subject.

Makes you think that the 'Men in Black' have gone round and visited all Rothley residents and told them in no uncertain terms are they allowed to speak out and 'talk'.

Very odd indeed.

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Post by j.rob on 23.06.14 15:55

There is a 'wall of silence' around many aspects of this strange case.

As I think I mentioned on here before, I have been on several Mark Warner holidays. And happen to know someone who works at a relatively high level for the company (well, I know an ex-partner of his well, and met him through her).

I tried to speak to a mutual friend of all of ours about the case and she looked like a rabbit in the headlights.

Would not go there. It was most definitely a taboo subject.

The impartial testimony of the employees and staff from Ocean Club that evening, and during that holiday, would reveal so much information. But many of them seem to have been 'whooshed'.

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Post by j.rob on 23.06.14 16:12

Kate McCann "Every time we come here we have to make arrangements for our children to be looked after."

I wonder?

If anything were to happen to one of the McCann surviving children, while in the care of their parents, that was at all unexplained or suspicious, there would be the most almighty outcry. The whole carefully (or perhaps not so carefully) constructed edifice would come crashing down.

It would create a scandal with the most deeply disturbing implications. 

IMO.

For those - and who knows how many/who exactly these are - who stain to gain, or at least not lose, from a (theoretical) cover-up, the latter would be a risk far too far.

For that reason - and that reason alone given the sickeningly cynical lack of care and respect shown towards children in this case - any risk of that happening would have to be minimized.

How sad that the welfare and well-being of children cannot lie at the heart of all this. 

IMO.

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Post by kimHager on 23.06.14 16:15

I think there is a real fear.. Of the mccanns? Well IF* they killed or was involved in Maddy's disappearance they could be dangerous given reports of Kate's temper and Gerry's cold calculating appearance. But no.. I believe GA in its the mystery of who is supporting them and covering up the whole debacle of their misdoings and it's powerful ppl we would assume. So these ppl that live in Rothley may not feel safe enough to talk. It's sad when you no longer feel safe or it may be something totally different? Hard to say but
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Post by utahagen on 23.06.14 16:30

I suspect that people who live in Rothley do not want to discuss the McCanns because they are embarassed. When Madeleine disappeared in Portugal, the people from the McCanns' hometown were understandably and laudably supportive: they raised money, held vigils, and posted Madeleine's photo at the Rothley school she would have been attending had she not disappeared. I'll bet that because people in Rothley were more connected to the case than others in England, they followed it more closely and perhaps ended up reading beyond the "McCanns are saints and victims" headlines. Over time, many of them probably had second thoughts about saintly Gerry and Kate McCann...who by then were once again living down the street. My guess is that many people in Rothley suspect the McCanns WERE involved in Madeleine's disappearnce, if only because they left their small children at home alone in the evenings. So, seven years after Madeleine disappeared, denizens of Rothley spot the McCanns in the supermarket and wonder, "Should we really have rallied around them so unquestioningly?"

I know if I were you, I would press my uncle about what he thinks.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.06.14 17:10

It might just be that the people of Rothley have had enough of their association with the case. I remember I once asked a friend from the Gloucester area about the Wests and he told me that the community had been too upset over it, that it was a done story there and that no one wanted to talk about it any more. Understandable really.

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Post by j.rob on 23.06.14 20:36

suzyjohnson wrote:It might just be that the people of Rothley have had enough of their association with the case. I remember I once asked a friend from the Gloucester area about the Wests and he told me that the community had been too upset over it, that it was a done story there and that no one wanted to talk about it any more. Understandable really.

Yes. I reckon that many people will feel pretty sickened that they may have been duped. All those children who would have been so upset/scared etc about what happened.

Really, it is all quite sickening.

IMO

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Post by Watchingthespincycle on 23.06.14 21:15

I think the shouters are also an issue. For some bizarre reason the people (or seemingly most of them) that support the McCanns don't seem keen on free speech. If anything is said or printed a lot of the time they always seem to try to shout you down. It's as though they are so entrenched they are almost scared of hearing something to rock their deluded worlds. This actually makes me convinced that deep down they know there's more to the story. 
Thanks for the welcome, Kim.  smilie

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.06.14 21:29

j.rob wrote:There is a 'wall of silence' around many aspects of this strange case.

As I think I mentioned on here before, I have been on several Mark Warner holidays. And happen to know someone who works at a relatively high level for the company (well, I know an ex-partner of his well, and met him through her).

I tried to speak to a mutual friend of all of ours about the case and she looked like a rabbit in the headlights.

Would not go there. It was most definitely a taboo subject.

The impartial testimony of the employees and staff from Ocean Club that evening, and during that holiday, would reveal so much information. But many of them seem to have been 'whooshed'.

I don't find any perceived 'wall of silence' around aspect of this case as being at all unusual as in any ongoing investigation into serious crime(s) the police strongly advise potential witnesses not to speak to others, not even their nearest and dearest, about the matter as to do so may prejudice the outcome.  

Similarly, while such investigations are ongoing, the press avoid publishing any details which may prejudice the right of any suspected pepetrator(s) to a fair trial.        

I see the fact that your mutual friend was somewhat disconcerted that you'd raised a 'taboo' subject as cause to believe that they have been cautioned not to talk about the matter, jrob, and I see their silence as being 'enough said' about the topic.
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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 21:47

uT, there is no formal criminal investigation taking place in the UK regarding MBM's disappearance and no suspects or imminent trial, so therefore I find this wall of silence very unusual and puzzling.  In any case, it hasn't stopped the press publishing regular "updates".

There must be potentially hundreds of witnesses, are you suggesting that the police have approached each one and instructed them not to speak about the case?  I don't think so.
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Post by End on 23.06.14 21:59

Ladyinred wrote:uT, there is no formal criminal investigation taking place in the UK regarding MBM's disappearance and no suspects or imminent trial, so therefore I find this wall of silence very unusual and puzzling.  In any case, it hasn't stopped the press publishing regular "updates".

There must be potentially hundreds of witnesses, are you suggesting that the police have approached each one and instructed them not to speak about the case?  I don't think so.


Nor do I.

I just think most people are not as interested in the case as the few delving through the Internet for info. The majority of people just accepted what they were told by the press.

I too have spoken to many people living in their area, and none have any enthusiasm to embark upon a conversation about them...not a wall of silence...just, 'poor parents'...boring conversation...lets move on to something more interesting...seems to be the attitude:)

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 22:15

End wrote:I too have spoken to many people living in their area, and none have any enthusiasm to embark upon a conversation about them...not a wall of silence...just, 'poor parents'...boring conversation...lets move on to something more interesting...seems to be the attitude:)
Out of interest and curiosity End, have you spoken to anyone from the area who actually knows them well? Anyone who remembers Madeleine pre May 2007?

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Post by End on 23.06.14 22:47

fossey wrote:
End wrote:I too have spoken to many people living in their area, and none have any enthusiasm to embark upon a conversation about them...not a wall of silence...just, 'poor parents'...boring conversation...lets move on to something more interesting...seems to be the attitude:)
Out of interest and curiosity End, have you spoken to anyone from the area who actually knows them well? Anyone who remembers Madeleine pre May 2007?


No. They all knew off them, but none that knew them in person.

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Post by j.rob on 23.06.14 23:52

I see the fact that your mutual friend was somewhat disconcerted that you'd raised a 'taboo' subject as cause to believe that they have been cautioned not to talk about the matter, jrob, and I see their silence as being 'enough said' about the topic.



Indeed.


I just think most people are not as interested in the case as the few delving through the Internet for info. The majority of people just accepted what they were told by the press.

I too have spoken to many people living in their area, and none have any enthusiasm to embark upon a conversation about them...not a wall of silence...just, 'poor parents'...boring conversation...lets move on to something more interesting...seems to be the attitude:)




Oh, okay. But that would be kind of weird if the local community had totally embraced the family in the early days. And then, over months or years had come to feel that they had been 'duped' in some way. 


Why would they be 'bored'. I mean, I don't live anywhere near the area, don't know any of their friends/associates....and yet I am amazed by this case.


So why would people living in their village - those who initially supported the McCanns - now find it all so 'boring'. Can't imagine that anything quite so controversial has ever happened there. So cannot imagine that people would not be interested/horrified/intrigued/ or whatever else emotion.


Bored - unlikely. 


Irritated, disappointed......upset...annoyed...maybe....


In my opinion.  

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Post by ultimaThule on 24.06.14 1:46

It seems to me that judging by the turnout in Rothley in support of the McCanns a month or so ago, you could add 'disillusioned' to your list, jrob.
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Post by ultimaThule on 24.06.14 1:54

Ladyinred wrote:uT, there is no formal criminal investigation taking place in the UK regarding MBM's disappearance and no suspects or imminent trial, so therefore I find this wall of silence very unusual and puzzling.  In any case, it hasn't stopped the press publishing regular "updates".

There must be potentially hundreds of witnesses, are you suggesting that the police have approached each one and instructed them not to speak about the case?  I don't think so.

Operation Grange has become a full-scale homicide investigation, Lir, and if you examine those regular "updates" you will find there is a distinct absence of the type of articles which have become prevalent in the Portuguese press of late and, similarly, there have been no tv programmes which seek to discover the truth of the matter by closely examining and comparing any of the various theories about Madeleine's disappearance.
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Post by Guest on 24.06.14 7:14

Kate and Gerry, or any of their supporters who read the forum, "Operation Grange has become a full-scale homicide investigation".
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Post by joyce1938 on 24.06.14 10:42

I think you may find that Mr Grimes the dog handler,was asked at some point,maybe someone on here could recall it or where to find it, not to discuss the dogs and his work with this case
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Post by Guest on 19.07.14 18:07

ultimaThule wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:uT, there is no formal criminal investigation taking place in the UK regarding MBM's disappearance and no suspects or imminent trial, so therefore I find this wall of silence very unusual and puzzling.  In any case, it hasn't stopped the press publishing regular "updates".

There must be potentially hundreds of witnesses, are you suggesting that the police have approached each one and instructed them not to speak about the case?  I don't think so.

Operation Grange has become a full-scale homicide investigation, Lir, and if you examine those regular "updates" you will find there is a distinct absence of the type of articles which have become prevalent in the Portuguese press of late and, similarly, there have been no tv programmes which seek to discover the truth of the matter by closely examining and comparing any of the various theories about Madeleine's disappearance.  

uT - I've searched, but cannot find when OG became "a full-scale homicide investigation".  Can you provide a link, please?  Below is OG's remit:


Op Grange Remit
 
The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1. 

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’.  This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);


  • The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.

  • UK Law Enforcement agencies,

  • Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.
     

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. 

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.
The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.
The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.

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Post by ultimaThule on 19.07.14 22:21

Operation Grange moved from a review to a full scale investigation in July 2013, Lir http://www.mccannfiles.com/id442.html
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