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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 8:21

Obviously i understand that people feel strongly about the Madeleine case, cute lite girl people want to know the truth but some here seem obsessed.

A lot of wild conspiracy theories about.

Here are some alternative angles to look at things from. No im not a Mccann fan and believe they should have been sent to prison for child neglect and had the twins taken off them. I strongly suspect they are involved in the disappearance of madeleine.

The Gaspar statements:
They holidayed with the mccans and witnessed gerry and david having disturbing conversations and actions that made them very uncomfortable and made them think they could be paedophiles.


Why has none of you ever questioned that if this is true then why on earth did they holiday again with the mccanns and stay in touch, meeting up for birthdays etc


Surely normal people would report there and then to authorities? Better to be safe than sorry if you suspect child abuse.

Surely normal people would not stay in touch with such people?

Discuss.

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Post by BlueBag on 22.06.14 8:39

@Justiceseeker wrote:Why has none of you ever questioned that if this is true then why on earth did they holiday again with the mccanns and stay in touch, meeting up for birthdays etc

Can you provide the details of these further occasions please?
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Post by Seek truth on 22.06.14 8:41

Maybe they did report it before, who knows?
Birthday parties are special for children, imagine missing one, what would you say to the child?

Have people on here mentioned any conspiracy theories ?

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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 8:47

Its in the official statement where they meet up later for childrens birthdays.



Yes childrens birthdays are special occasions. As i said if you think the mccanns may be paedophiles the last thing any normal person would do is take your kids to spend time with suspected paedophiles as a birthday treat.

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Post by Guest on 22.06.14 8:48

Maybe they didn't report it because they "were so into each other".

Including three year old Maddie, as her corpse had to be concealed so she couldn't have an autopsy.
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Post by BlueBag on 22.06.14 8:52

@Justiceseeker wrote:Its in the official statement where they meet up later for childrens birthdays.



Yes childrens birthdays are special occasions. As i said if you think the mccanns may be paedophiles the last thing any normal person would do is take your kids to spend time with suspected paedophiles as a birthday treat.

Surely you don't mean this?

“The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously."


http://thegaspersstatement.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for pointing out "wild conspiracy theories" on this forum.
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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 8:58

@BlueBag wrote:
@Justiceseeker wrote:Its in the official statement where they meet up later for childrens birthdays.



Yes childrens birthdays are special occasions. As i said if you think the mccanns may be paedophiles the last thing any normal person would do is take your kids to spend time with suspected paedophiles as a birthday treat.

Surely you don't mean this?

“The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously."


http://thegaspersstatement.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for pointing out "wild conspiracy theories" on this forum.

Obviously not. Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.

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Post by BlueBag on 22.06.14 8:59

@Justiceseeker wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@Justiceseeker wrote:Its in the official statement where they meet up later for childrens birthdays.



Yes childrens birthdays are special occasions. As i said if you think the mccanns may be paedophiles the last thing any normal person would do is take your kids to spend time with suspected paedophiles as a birthday treat.

Surely you don't mean this?

“The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously."


http://thegaspersstatement.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for pointing out "wild conspiracy theories" on this forum.

Obviously not. Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.

Er... the statement is about Payne.

He made the gestures.

The obvious concern is about him.

I smell disruption.
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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 9:04

The statement is about david making the action whilst talking about madeleine to gerry and gerry laughing.


But again dont let the facts get in the way.


You smell disruption cos i dare question it.

Says more about you than me imo.

Just because this isnt a mccann bashing post doesnt mean it isnt a fair question or that i am a troll.

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Post by AndyB on 22.06.14 9:05

@Justiceseeker wrote:A lot of wild conspiracy theories about.

Here are some alternative angles to look at things from. No im not a Mccann fan and believe they should have been sent to prison for child neglect and had the twins taken off them. I strongly suspect they are involved in the disappearance of madeleine.
Wild conspiracy theories such as what? As you suspect that the Mccanns were involved in Madeleine's disappearance, perhaps you could give us an outline of what you believe happened

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Post by Guest on 22.06.14 9:07

@Justiceseeker wrote:The statement is about david making the action whilst talking about madeleine to gerry and gerry laughing.

Yes, Payne made the remark to Gerry and neither Payne nor Gerry have ever refuted it or sued the Gaspars.

Maddie is missing, body concealed.

What are we supposed to think happened to this little girl before she died?  
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Post by aquila on 22.06.14 9:08

@BlueBag wrote:
@Justiceseeker wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@Justiceseeker wrote:Its in the official statement where they meet up later for childrens birthdays.



Yes childrens birthdays are special occasions. As i said if you think the mccanns may be paedophiles the last thing any normal person would do is take your kids to spend time with suspected paedophiles as a birthday treat.

Surely you don't mean this?

“The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously."


http://thegaspersstatement.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for pointing out "wild conspiracy theories" on this forum.

Obviously not. Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.

Er... the statement is about Payne.

He made the gestures.

The obvious concern is about him.

I smell disruption.
Dontya just love the smell of disruption in the morning!


Anyways folks, as this very new poster has decided to post up a new topic 3 times and demand it be discussed he must be very pleased to have been indulged without actually contributing any link, any text in full and any opinion of his own other than some people on this forum are obsessed.

I have absolutely no problem with disrupting this thread myself - so thanks.

Errr, um, err, and you might want to take a look at Admin's answer.
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Post by BlueBag on 22.06.14 9:12

It is OBVIOUS from the statement that Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar is concerned about David Payne and for whatever reason is less concerned about Gerry.

“When I heard Dave say this for the second time, it reinforced what I had already been thinking concerning his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife Fiona and their daughter Lily used to take Madeleine with them for the day in order that Kate and Gerry could rest a bit and had time just for the twins. I wasn’t worried about Madeleine’s safety, because Fiona and [another female adult] were there, as well as Dave. As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after [we were on holiday together in] Majorca. And I have not spoken to them at all since that time".

However this:
"In recent, we have seen the McCann family on occasions. These occasions coincide with the children’s birthdays – a time when we all get together."

Could be children's parties at McDonalds or Play Gyms or a host of other places that kids have mass birthdays these days.
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Post by nomendelta on 22.06.14 9:16

I'm quite an astute judge of character and quite often feel there's "something" not right about someone. It can take an awful long time before anything comes to light about what "it" is because we're dealing with instinct. If it's someone I have to be around then I just sit, wait and watch.

I suspect it's a similar attitude here - it was enough to make the Gaspar mother wary of Payne bathing her child and obviously they steered clear of them afterwards anyway but what they saw, on it's own, isn't really enough to take it further. Imagine if they'd confronted Payne and McCann at the time - "What are you talking about, are you a pair of paedos?" Well, it's hardly going to lead to a productive discussion or admission is it? Same with going to the police at the time...it's very much, on it's own, a "he said, she said" situation.

But when you factor in the disappearance of a child, mix in a vague recognition of one of the parties involved by a Social Worker...it becomes more important. I would think most people would have acted as the Gaspars did to be honest.

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Post by AndyB on 22.06.14 9:16

@Justiceseeker wrote:Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.
This is the paragraph, which you could easily have copied and pasted yourself
Katherina Gasper wrote:When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.

As I have already mentioned, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Majorca, and I have not spoken to them since then. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the MCCANN, every now and then. This mainly happens on the children’s birthdays, a time when we meet up.
Note that they haven't spoken to the Paynes after the one occasion (a meal) and have certainly not been on holiday with them as you claim.

Also note the "it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L". Clearly Katherina is comfortable with the idea of a young girl being in Payne's presence provided there are other people there, which is exactly what would happen at the birthday parties had Payne been there but she's talking about meeting the McCanns NOT Payne

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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 9:18

There are hundreds of theories about how/where the body was concealed.

Burnt in church, in the sea, in the roadworks, in a wheelie bin, on the trip to spain etc etc etc



At best only 1 theory could possibly be correct which by default makes the wrong ones conspiracy theories. Its fine to speculate on different scenarios but they cant all be right.


Look how you all flap around cos i ask a perfectly good question.

Many here as bad as the mccanns.  Just answer the question dont use divert or ridicule tactics as it does you no favours.


Everything should be questioned not just the ghastly mccanns.

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Post by aquila on 22.06.14 9:20

@AndyB wrote:
@Justiceseeker wrote:Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.
This is the paragraph, which you could easily have copied and pasted yourself
Katherina Gasper wrote:When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.

As I have already mentioned, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Majorca, and I have not spoken to them since then. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the MCCANN, every now and then. This mainly happens on the children’s birthdays, a time when we meet up.
Note that they haven't spoken to the Paynes after the one occasion (a meal) and have certainly not been on holiday with them as you claim.

Also note the "it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L". Clearly Katherina is comfortable with the idea of a young girl being in Payne's presence provided there are other people there, which is exactly what would happen at the birthday parties had Payne been there but she's talking about meeting the McCanns NOT Payne
If the OP can be arsed to read the statement and post it in full he will also find a comment along the lines of the conversation went dead.

This statement from Mrs Gaspar wasn't given lightly.
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Post by frost on 22.06.14 9:27

@Justiceseeker wrote:
Obviously not. Well done for picking out the statement about the paynes and ignoring the next paragraph that says they continued to meet up with K&G for kids birthdays etc.


Maybe you could get a job in british media.


just gone on the gasper statement the next paragraph is as follows .......

“I remember thinking whether he would look at my daughter and other little girls in a different way than I or others do. I imagined that he had perhaps visited internet sites related to little children. In a word, I thought that he could be interested in child pornography on the web. During our holiday in Majorca, each parent would bath the children in turn. I was keen to stay near the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children. I remember I said to Savio to be careful and to be close by if Dave was helping to bathe the children and my daughter in particular. I did this [stay hear the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children] quite obviously because hearing what he said had troubled me and I didn’t trust him bathing ‘A’ [our first child].


the next paragraph is what you are referring to ...........

“When I heard Dave say this for the second time, it reinforced what I had already been thinking concerning his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife Fiona and their daughter Lily used to take Madeleine with them for the day in order that Kate and Gerry could rest a bit and had time just for the twins. I wasn’t worried about Madeleine’s safety, because Fiona and [another female adult] were there, as well as Dave. As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after [we were on holiday together in] Majorca. And I have not spoken to them at all since that time. In recent, we have seen the McCann family on occasions. These occasions coincide with the children’s birthdays – a time when we all get together.


It clearly states they were only with Dave and Fiona on the one occasion after the Majorca holiday which would have been the restaurant  and that they have not spoken to them since . 

The childrens birthdays do not neccesarily mean Madeleines or the twins they could be other childrens birthdays . Seeing as Payne obviously was not present at whoevers birthday party it was I see no reason for them not to attend as in such situations and we have all been to some kind of party ie wedding etc where there is someone there you dislike or have misgivings about but it does not stop us going . You just keep your distance

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Post by Justiceseeker on 22.06.14 9:33

This post makes it easy to understand why there are still many people who believe anybody discussing the case and believing the mccanns are involved are nasty people who cant be taken seriously.

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Post by worriedmum on 22.06.14 9:34

''Look how you all flap around cos i ask a perfectly good question.'' (Justiceseeker)


The other posters are supplying the answer to the question you asked in your original post, Justiceseeker.  As far as I am aware this is not usually called 'flapping around', and certainly not by new posters genuinely seeking information.
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Post by BlueBag on 22.06.14 9:35

Justiceseeker  said "This post makes it easy to understand why there are still many people who believe anybody discussing the case and believing the mccanns are involved are nasty people who cant be taken seriously".

I think we've heard enough now.
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Post by sharonl on 22.06.14 9:35

@Justiceseeker wrote:There are hundreds of theories about how/where the body was concealed.

Burnt in church, in the sea, in the roadworks, in a wheelie bin, on the trip to spain etc etc etc



At best only 1 theory could possibly be correct which by default makes the wrong ones conspiracy theories. Its fine to speculate on different scenarios but they cant all be right.


Look how you all flap around cos i ask a perfectly good question.

Many here as bad as the mccanns. Just answer the question dont use divert or ridicule tactics as it does you no favours
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Everything should be questioned not just the ghastly mccanns.

You may have a point in that only one theory can be right but as it stands we do not know which theory that is. There are a variety of theories and opinions from different members, and whilst you can challenge these theories I must ask you to refrain from attacking other posters and the forum in general.

Thank you

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Post by aquila on 22.06.14 9:39

@Justiceseeker wrote:This post makes it easy to understand why there are still many people who believe anybody discussing the case and believing the mccanns are involved are nasty people who cant be taken seriously.
Your work is done on this forum then my friend. You have a whole day to yourself to go do whatever it is you do on twitter and other forums.

I'm amazed at the amount of apologists there are for child neglect and possible paedophilia.

The Gaspar statement is obviously a very touchy subject.

So before you tootle off (I'm hoping you don't stick around much longer as quite frankly it's obvious to anyone with a single brain cell why you're here), could you just indulge us 'obsessed' folk with our minute grasp on life what exactly is YOUR opinion on the Gaspar statement.
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Post by frost on 22.06.14 9:43

@Justiceseeker wrote:This post makes it easy to understand why there are still many people who believe anybody discussing the case and believing the mccanns are involved are nasty people who cant be taken seriously.

If you were referring to my post you stated that it was the next paragraph that people needed to read when clearly it wasn't it was the next but one paragraph but don't let facts get in the way .

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