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"Unreliable" dogs do it AGAIN! Double murder couple found guilty.

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Post by PeterMac on 08.07.14 16:27

Brilliant
A suspect has been arrested after a dog trained to detect electronic circuitry found a memory stick containing images of child sexual abuse hidden in a tin box inside a metal cabinet.
Rhode Island police received Thoreau from Connecticut police after the dog completed 22 weeks of training, which involved detecting gadgets for food.
The only other US gadget-sniffing dog remains stationed in Connecticut.

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Post by tigger on 08.07.14 17:34

I think Gerry meant Eddie didn't smell blood when he said 'the dog didn't smell blood'.

He's quite right, it was Keela .... She did smell blood in 5a Ger and there were two dogs so the dog which didn't smell blood must have been the only other dog who smelled cadaver!

I hope that's cleared that up Dr. Gerry, you were absolutely not telling a lie - perhaps not the whole truth.. spin 

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Post by Guest on 08.07.14 17:43

PeterMac wrote:Brilliant
A suspect has been arrested after a dog trained to detect electronic circuitry found a memory stick containing images of child sexual abuse hidden in a tin box inside a metal cabinet.
Rhode Island police received Thoreau from Connecticut police after the dog completed 22 weeks of training, which involved detecting gadgets for food.
The only other US gadget-sniffing dog remains stationed in Connecticut.

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Sniffer dogs detect lung cancer
Madeleine search police start to dig
Dogs 'sniff out' bladder cancer

OOOpps  !
Being a complete dog-lover (the more I see of men, the more I love my dogs - OK misquote!)   aren't they the most wonderful creatures.?    Used to diagnose serious medical problems, to detect drugs, to find blood, find cadaver scent, search for lost people - and they give love and loyalty unreservedly and NEVER LIE.   Now I read they can detect electronic gadgetry - marvellous.    TRUST THE DOGS.
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Post by Mrs Holmes on 08.07.14 22:36

With all the focus on the libel trial today, I wonder what the dogs are up to... Surely if the remit for OG is to conduct a full review, then the dogs evidence should also be reviewed, especially as these dogs have found remains that were over 25 years old (source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html) - does anyone know what happened to the scenic?

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Post by Okeydokey on 09.07.14 1:10

Dam dem dargs! [A McCann spokesperson]

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Post by aquila on 09.07.14 1:12

Okeydokey wrote:Dam dem dargs! [A McCann spokesperson]
Best Liverpudlian accent here.....

Day don't do dogs do day.
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Post by Okeydokey on 09.07.14 1:30

aquila wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:Dam dem dargs! [A McCann spokesperson]
Best Liverpudlian accent here.....

Day don't do dogs do day.

I thought I was doing a Southern US accent for some reason LOL ...I guess because they were always big on the on the bloodhounds in the South (for less honourable purposes).

I think a proper Scouser would never deliver such an unadorned statement. Your scouser would probably refer to the dogs humorously as "poodles" and the "damn" would be a little stronger . And the poodles would have a modifier beginning with F as well. :)

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Post by aquila on 09.07.14 1:33

Okeydokey wrote:
aquila wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:Dam dem dargs! [A McCann spokesperson]
Best Liverpudlian accent here.....

Day don't do dogs do day.

I thought I was doing a Southern US accent for some reason LOL ...I guess because they were always big on the on the bloodhounds in the South (for less honourable purposes).

I think a proper Scouser would never deliver such an unadorned statement.  Your scouser would probably refer to the dogs humorously as "poodles" and the "damn" would be a little stronger . And the poodles would have a modifier beginning with F as well. :)
Just a parody as you've guessed.
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Post by tigger on 09.07.14 7:17

Cristobell wrote:
MRNOODLES wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Before the McSpinners get to work:

CADAVER dogs ONLY 'alert' to 'cadavers scent' (dead bodies)

Nothing 'surprising' there, that's what they are trained to do.

But a cadaver dog 'alerted' to a scent in apartment 5A. McCann's holiday apartment.

Shouldn't the McCanns be screaming from the rooftops 'If it wasn't Madeleine's scent, because there's no evidence she has come to harm, then who the fcuk's cavader scent was it, that UK EVRD dog 'alerted' to, in our holiday apartment?"

Or they could try a different tac of.  The bent coppers made the dogs alert by given them a command.  

Did Kate allude to this in her novel?

She relaxed a little and referred to it as not being an exact science.  Like the rest of 'KH1', her recollection of the dog video is very incriminating.  She is completely on the defensive and shows no concern whatsoever that her child may have been harmed or killed.  Her priority is proving the dogs were wrong, not the discovery of what happened to her daughter.

Gosh, that sounds familiar!  winkwink 


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Post by Guest on 15.07.14 22:57

Okeydokey wrote:
aquila wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:Dam dem dargs! [A McCann spokesperson]
Best Liverpudlian accent here.....

Day don't do dogs do day.

I thought I was doing a Southern US accent for some reason LOL ...I guess because they were always big on the on the bloodhounds in the South (for less honourable purposes).

I think a proper Scouser would never deliver such an unadorned statement.  Your scouser would probably refer to the dogs humorously as "poodles" and the "damn" would be a little stronger . And the poodles would have a modifier beginning with F as well. :)

Aquila is nearer ... and now from a proper Scouser.

'Di don't do dogs do thee. F**kin 'ell. Best do a runner before the bussies arrive.'
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Post by fred c dobbs on 23.07.14 15:49

Has Mr.grimes and his dogs been used in any cases since 2007?
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Post by PeterMac on 23.07.14 16:11

fred c dobbs wrote:Has Mr.grimes and his dogs been used in any cases since 2007?

YES.
He was headhunted by the FBI and has already done several across the USA. Where in many States they have the death penalty ! !
search Grime (singular) and FBI

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Post by PeterMac on 23.07.14 16:14

I see the Twittersphere pros are talking about dogs being unable to distinguish between human and the cadaverine of a dead piglet !
What the hell was going on in that apartment ?
I thought it was supposed to be the Elephant in the room, not a herd of piglets

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Post by sallypelt on 23.07.14 17:30

PeterMac wrote:I see the Twittersphere pros are talking about dogs being unable to distinguish between human and the cadaverine of a dead piglet !
What the hell was going on in that apartment ?  
I thought it was supposed to be the Elephant in the room, not a herd of piglets

Petermac, they are clutching at straws and making complete idiots of themselves. They are the dregs from the bottom of the barrel. There can't be more than 4 or 5 of them, who have many "socks" each.

These idiots remind me of something my dad used to say to me when I was a child, and I would be upset by something someone would say, and that was "I don't know who is the bigger fool, the person for saying it, or you for believing them".

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Post by Guest on 23.07.14 17:32

Well it is true isn't it that the flesh of pigs has the closest resemblance to that of humans?!

Perhaps Sean developed a taste for bacon butties as well as sea bass and a few bits were left behind the sofa.
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 24.07.14 0:26

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Well it is true isn't it that the flesh of pigs has the closest resemblance to that of humans?!

Perhaps Sean developed a taste for bacon butties as well as sea bass and a few bits were left behind the sofa.
Maybe he didn't want to risk sharing with Amelie and he stashed them in the wardrobe too? laughat

Its just clutching at straws some of the dog dissing - they absolutely can tell the difference between human and animal cadaver...

http://www.hrdk9.net/cadaver-dogs.html

Eeek, don't know what has happened to that link :/

Link now works. It needed its own space. I know the feeling. NFWTD.

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Post by PeterMac on 24.07.14 8:28

Knew I remembered it from somewhere
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It wasn't a Red Herring,
nor even a Red Sea-Bass

It was a red piglet

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Post by Guest on 24.07.14 9:24

http://www.houseofnames.com/mccann-coat-of-arms

Peter isn't joking about the pig.

There are certainly many of the flying variety involved in the story.

Oh the irony of the motto "Virtue thrives under oppression".
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Post by tasprin on 24.07.14 19:54

The dogs are reliable after all.

July 24, 2014           
Man arrested after bomb hoax causes rush hour chaos in West Bromwich
A West Bromwich man has been arrested after a suspicious package was left at a business premises causing traffic chaos.

Officers at the scene in West Bromwich

A 100 metre cordon was placed around the premises in West Bromwich High Street just after 4pm on Tuesday.

Roads were closed as more than a dozen police officers secured the building, while a police sniffer dog determined if the package contained explosives. The parcel was found to be harmless.
Roads reopened shortly before 6pm with a small cordon remaining around the premises as an investigation into the hoax was launched.
A 60-year-old man was arrested from his home address this morning and is helping police with inquiries.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/07/24/man-arrested-after-bomb-hoax-causes-rush-hour-chaos-in-west-bromwich/

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Post by PeterMac on 24.07.14 23:01

tasprin wrote:The dogs are reliable after all.
The parcel was found to be harmless
. . . acording to the dog, so the officers moved in and there was a gigantic explosion during which the centre of Birmingham was obliterated . . .


Oh, sorry.  Didn't that happen ?
Surely the Police and Fire officers didn't actually BELIEVE the dogs . . .

That would be LUDICROUS
Wouldn't it Gerry, St Katherine, Guru Mitchell, and all the rest of the other three people who don;t believe in dogs.

The McCann Creed.

I DON"T believe in dogs.
Who were bred and trained specifically for this purpose.
In their ability to find things
In their ability to tell the truth at all times.

I believe they are lying little hypocrites, who will do anything for a bite of sausage
I believe dogs are part of the Communion of Satan
I believe dogs do not work to root out Sin
I believe dogs are not able to detect Un-resurrected Bodies
And I believe dogs cannot send people to prison, everlasting.
Amen.

And here's a biscuit and a little drink !

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Post by JohnyT on 25.07.14 19:34

If Mr Mc thinks the dogs are ' unreliable' , why were they insistent that the GNR/PJ immediately fetched theirs to help search for Madeleine on the night of the 'abduction'??
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Post by comperedna on 26.07.14 11:50

Because, I guess the GNR dogs would have beentracker dogs to sniff the scent of a live person and track it. Martin Grime's two dogs were trained to alert to blood and cadverine, not the same thing at all.

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Post by JohnyT on 26.07.14 14:15

Ah I see.....Mr Mc trusts dogs that can scent a live person but not the other ones. He really should have said.
Of course it's not (exactly) the same thing, but are they reliable or not? One is trained to track a live scent and the other(s) blood or cadaverine. The thread refers to dogs scenting for explosives etc, are they reliable or are you going to say "that's not the same thing" Can't have it both ways I'm afraid. I'm sure the authorities which use certain dogs don't spend a lot of money on training these dogs and then not trust the results.
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Post by tasprin on 26.07.14 15:42

The Leader
VALUING THE WORK OF POLICE DOGS
By Mark Nolan
13 July 2014

As the UK government has cut funding to police forces over the last 4 years by some 20%, some of the first hatchets have slashed away dog and mounted sections, with hundreds of dogs being retired since 2009, and at least 5 forces disbanding their mounted sections completely. In Spain, the opposite is happening, with the value of police animals being celebrated, and more dogs and horses being used in the detection of crime and assisting the security services in their duties.

In 2013 in Spain, expert dogs, often referred to as “cadaver dogs”, were active in solving 15 major crimes with the Guardia Civil alone, yet in the first six months of this year, that figure has already reached 16 occurrences.

From their base with the Servicio Cinológico de la Guardia Civil in El Pardo, four of their specialist dogs have been showcased this week. Elton, Pipo, Dzana and Fatal are Belgian Shepherds, and are able to detect the odour of human remains for years after the person has died, even able to distinguish between human and animal remains. Even if blood has been cleaned away using disinfectant or other chemical cleaners, these dogs can still detect the often sordid truth hiding underneath, as was the case in June, when a murder took place and was hidden by the perpetrator who meticulously cleaned the scene of the crime, as well as all clothing worn during the act, hiding all evidence of wrongdoing. But Elton and Pipo, who train daily with their human companions Juan Manuel Sánchez and Israel Herrero, found traces of blood, imperceptible to the eye and odourless, which incriminated the main suspect as the culprit.

In April, the dogs took part in the search of a site where a dismembered and partially buried body was found near Las Rozas. Suspicions pointed to a relative of the victim, those suspicions confirmed when the dogs clearly identified a number of locations containing blood deposits, and even the murder weapon, an axe which had been cleaned of all traces, or so the murderer thought. As part of their training, when one of these dogs finds a piece of evidence, they simply remain in place, without digging or even touching the site, so as not to damage or contaminate evidence, alerting their handler of their find.

Whereas the use of dogs as “expert witnesses” may seem an unusual practice, the value of their work is self evident in an ever increasing number of cases. Israel Herrero agrees that although “much progress has been made”, they must all “continue working to improve, so that increasingly more detail can be found and we can cope with any situation”.
http://www.theleader.info/article/44281/spain/national/valuing-the-work-of-police-dogs/


Defence seeks to suppress cadaver dog evidence in US murder case
WTHITV
Enzert Lewis suppression hearing
By Jon Swaner
July 15, 2014
TERRE HAUTE, Ind. (WTHI) - A judge will decide whether two key pieces of evidence will be presented to a jury during a Vigo County murder trial.
Attorneys for Enzert Lewis asked for what’s called a suppression hearing.
Here’s what’s in question: cadaver dog searches and luminal tests.
Luminal is used to help crime scene technicians find blood. Whether or not that evidence is thrown out is up to Judge David Bolk.
Lewis is still set for trial August 4.
He’s accused of killing his estranged wife, Allyson Elmi-Lewis, last fall.
http://wthitv.com/2014/07/15/enzert-lewis-suppression-hearing/

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