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Post by Cordelia on 19.06.14 9:08

They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

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Post by Sceptic on 19.06.14 9:14

Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.
Because until any evidence is found to pin charges on them regarding madeleine disappearance they can use as much of the fund as they want for themselves or for whatever use - it's in the small print

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Post by margaret on 19.06.14 10:05

Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

Because the fund isn't a charity and subject to stricter controls. It's a limited company and the objectives are controlled by the Mccanns who have made sure all monies raised can be used how they see fit.
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Post by Guest on 19.06.14 10:10

Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

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Post by fossey on 19.06.14 10:21

I set up a company called Madeleine2 ltd.

I go round and beg everyone to donate into it to help search for the missing girl.

I flog t'shirts and crap quality wristbands to boost the income.

I raise a million.

I keep the million. (always wanted a Ferrari)

I would get lynched, arrested, prosecuted and then serve a lengthy custodial sentence for fraud.

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Post by Rasputin on 19.06.14 10:28

The WOC issue always puzzles me , they are surrounded by all manner of legal back-up , yet it would appear none of these legal boffins have mentioned that you cant apply for this money on Madeleine's behalf ? ...so Isnt this attempting to gain monies by deception ???

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Post by tiny on 19.06.14 10:31

Rasputin wrote:The WOC issue always puzzles me , they are surrounded by all manner of legal back-up , yet it would appear none of these legal boffins have mentioned that you cant apply for this money on Madeleine's behalf ? ...so Isnt this attempting to gain monies by deception ???

Yes,but like every thing else they do they will get away with it.
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Post by PeterMac on 19.06.14 10:33

fossey wrote:I set up a company called Madeleine2 ltd.
I go round and beg everyone to donate into it to help search for the missing girl.
I flog t'shirts and crap quality wristbands to boost the income.
I raise a million.
I keep the million. (always wanted a Ferrari)
I would get lynched, arrested, prosecuted and then serve a lengthy custodial sentence for fraud.

EXCEPT - if you put out statements from time to time through a pink shirt lifter wearer saying that you have a list of suspects and you are going to
investigate them and then look for a Hellish lair in the lawless Hinterland within 10 miles of PdL.

It sound ludicrous, but he actually DID way that, and neither he, nor the entire McCann machine have ever resiled from that considered position.
And he charged the "Fund" for saying it

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Post by BlueBag on 19.06.14 11:11

Dave Edgar.


Former detective inspector Dave, who grew up on Belfast’s Woodstock Road, was drafted in by Kate and Gerry McCann last November after Spanish investigators failed to find new leads.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/madeleine-mccann-is-in-a-secret-lair-28494565.html


The Ulster detective leading the search for Madeleine McCann today reveals his most chilling theories yet, exclusively to Sunday Life. Hardened ex-RUC cop Dave Edgar told us he is convinced that little Maddie is imprisoned in a hellish lair – just like kidnapped sex slave Jaycee Lee Dugard.



What a waste of money.

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Post by fossey on 19.06.14 11:30

PeterMac wrote:
fossey wrote:I set up a company called Madeleine2 ltd.
I go round and beg everyone to donate into it to help search for the missing girl.
I flog t'shirts and crap quality wristbands to boost the income.
I raise a million.
I keep the million. (always wanted a Ferrari)
I would get lynched, arrested, prosecuted and then serve a lengthy custodial sentence for fraud.

EXCEPT - if you put out statements from time to time through a pink shirt lifter wearer saying that you have a list of suspects and you are going to
investigate them and then look for a Hellish lair in the lawless Hinterland within 10 miles of PdL.

It sound ludicrous, but he actually DID way that, and neither he, nor the entire McCann machine have ever resiled from that considered position.
And he charged the "Fund" for saying it
What if my mate set up another company called Metado5 ltd. 

He charged me the Million pounds to walk around Europe with his metal detector to 'search' Hellish lair's etc.

He found nothing and gave up.

He charged me. I paid him out the fund.

On the quiet we then split the money. Half a mill each.

Wouldn't get done for fraud then. 

Sounds familiar...

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Post by ultimaThule on 19.06.14 12:02

Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

As stated on their website, he McCanns' limited company Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited, also known as  'Madeleiene's Fund', was set up to:
   "To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
   To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family."

Can you please indicate which part of the above restricts the McCanns from using the limited company's income as their 'Piggy Bank' and provide a link to the the 'investigative reporting' which you state has been been done by 'Daily Mail originally', Cordelia?

While writing, I would  suggest you ask the Mods to move this thread to a more relevant topic such as this one: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8363-new-members-please-put-your-questions-on-this-thread#195362

Eta a reminder that fossey asked to provide a link on this thread yesterday: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9845p80-libel-trial-postponement-the-truth-about-the-mccanns-lie-by-nigel-moore#260963
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Post by Bishop Brennan on 19.06.14 12:20

Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

If we were to assume that Maddie is dead, and that the McCanns know this, then the Fund had only one objective - to create a long-term, very public diversion that would ensure sure that no suspicion was ever levelled at the parents. As a result, the Fund was not to make the parents rich (and I suspect they have probably not dipped into it too often). Instead they have largely wasted the millions donated by kind souls on a series of dodgy, and ineffective and inexperienced "detective" agencies.

After those debacles, the primary expenditure in the past several years has not been "searching" but "suing". Again, the aim seems to be to replenish the fund so that it can keep up its primary public goal of perpetuating the myth that Maddie is alive and that the parents are looking for her. The OFM website and FB page are used to promote the Fund and its public image.

I suspect therefore that most of the expenditure is "justifiable" in one way or another. And even if they have taken out some "fees" to help the family (some element of which is permitted), I doubt it amounts to a lot. Hence no investigation by the tax man or lawyers or stories by journalists.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 19.06.14 13:04

ultimaThule wrote:
As stated on their website, he McCanns' limited company Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited, also known as  'Madeleiene's Fund', was set up to:
   "To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
   To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family."

Can you please indicate which part of the above restricts the McCanns from using the limited company's income as their 'Piggy Bank' ?

It's actually UK Company Law that prevents them using the fund as a personal "Piggy Bank". In the UK, any expense that is put through the business must be a "business expense" as defined by HMRC. As such, they won't be able to simply help themselves to the cash for personal use. Attempting to classify a personal expense as "support and financial assistance" might work with the public, but it certainly won't wash with the taxman. Paying the mortgage for example would not be allowable, unless the house was used as an office and a (fair) rent was being charged. Although that in tun would bring capital gains issues down the line. Paying for holidays - not allowable. It's strictly enforced (or else we'd all set up a company and use it like a "Piggy Bank"). But nothing (except the directors) prevents them from making bad business decisions or investing poorly in business related searches or legal battles.
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Post by ultimaThule on 19.06.14 14:02

I venture to suggest that if you or I were to set up a not for profit limited company for whatever purpose it's unlikely the year end accounts would show a surplus of several million £s Bishop, and, just as many other aspects of this case appear to be without precedent, I suspect that it may be unique in the annals of HM Customs & Revenue.

Enid O'Dowd has been casting her forensic accounting magnifying glass over the company's 'transparent' accounts since its inception https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8990-analysis-of-fund-accounts-by-enid-o-dowd-2013-mccannfiles#219242 and has found them to be as clear as mud but, although its not possible to ascertain what sums have been expended for this purpose, one of the company's directors has told us the Towers is, or has been, used as their office and, presumably, in addition to flights and accomodation, the cost of childcare would be a legitimate expense if 2 directors were required to be absent from their home for an extended period on company related business.      

As with all things McCann, one simple question gives rise to a hundred others and it's to hoped that, at some point in time, all of them will be answered.
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Post by Enid O'Dowd on 19.06.14 14:27

ultimaThule wrote:I venture to suggest that if you or I were to set up a not for profit limited company for whatever purpose it's unlikely the year end accounts would show a surplus of several million £s Bishop, and, just as many other aspects of this case appear to be without precedent, I suspect that it may be unique in the annals of HM Customs & Revenue.

Enid O'Dowd has been casting her forensic accounting magnifying glass over the company's 'transparent' accounts since its inception https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8990-analysis-of-fund-accounts-by-enid-o-dowd-2013-mccannfiles#219242 and has found them to be as clear as mud but, although its not possible to ascertain what sums have been expended for this purpose, one of the company's directors has told us the Towers is, or has been, used as their office and, presumably, in addition to flights and accomodation, the cost of childcare would be a legitimate expense if 2 directors were required to be absent from their home for an extended period on company related business.      

As with all things McCann, one simple question gives rise to a hundred others and it's to hoped that, at some point in time, all of them will be answered.

IMO the cost of childcare is not an allowable expense where directors are away on company business, either in this case or in general where directors have young children. 

I would presume that the McCanns would not have childcare expenses for the trip to Lisbon to attend the hearing other than the cost of a telephone call to granny Healy to ask her to stay in the family home to look after her two grandchildren.

The costs of using part of the home as an office for the company and the travel and accommodation costs relating to court cases and the search are allowable.  It is unclear from the audited accounts how much, indeed if anything, has been charged for such expenses.

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Post by tigger on 19.06.14 14:29

I expect the cost of building the annexe can be tax deductable if it is used as an office.
O wait, no that was built in 2006  thinking 

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Post by ultimaThule on 19.06.14 14:46

I wondered whether the annexe/orangery/extended garage is used as one of the company's offices or as its headquarters, tigger, and no doubt a building which was formerly used for another purpose can undergo a change of use and become a deductible cost in terms of the limited company's expenditure.  

As get I the feeling that none of the McCann/Healys do owt for nowt, I suspect that Ma Healy bills the company for her services and that her rate per hour is considerably higher than minimum wage, Enid
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Post by Cordelia on 19.06.14 14:57

Châtelaine wrote:
Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

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Halligen and Metodo 3 are retired detectives ... ?

No chatelaine it was Dave and his Partner both retired Detectives in the U.K. I think their Company was called Alpha Communications or something similar, in fact No Stone Unturned never employed any Detectives experienced in searching for missing children,more like experienced money laundering, except maybe Alpha. 

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Post by Cristobell on 19.06.14 14:59

Enid O'Dowd wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:I venture to suggest that if you or I were to set up a not for profit limited company for whatever purpose it's unlikely the year end accounts would show a surplus of several million £s Bishop, and, just as many other aspects of this case appear to be without precedent, I suspect that it may be unique in the annals of HM Customs & Revenue.

Enid O'Dowd has been casting her forensic accounting magnifying glass over the company's 'transparent' accounts since its inception https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8990-analysis-of-fund-accounts-by-enid-o-dowd-2013-mccannfiles#219242 and has found them to be as clear as mud but, although its not possible to ascertain what sums have been expended for this purpose, one of the company's directors has told us the Towers is, or has been, used as their office and, presumably, in addition to flights and accomodation, the cost of childcare would be a legitimate expense if 2 directors were required to be absent from their home for an extended period on company related business.      

As with all things McCann, one simple question gives rise to a hundred others and it's to hoped that, at some point in time, all of them will be answered.

IMO the cost of childcare is not an allowable expense where directors are away on company business, either in this case or in general where directors have young children. 

I would presume that the McCanns would not have childcare expenses for the trip to Lisbon to attend the hearing other than the cost of a telephone call to granny Healy to ask her to stay in the family home to look after her two grandchildren.

The costs of using part of the home as an office for the company and the travel and accommodation costs relating to court cases and the search are allowable.  It is unclear from the audited accounts how much, indeed if anything, has been charged for such expenses.
Hi Enid  smilie ,

Do you know what the legal position would be if costs were awarded against the McCanns in Lisbon?  Would the McCanns be able to use the Fund to pay their losses? 

I lean towards them being personally liable, but as the Fund has financed he case thus far, that may not be the case. Is the Fund a limited Company? 

I wonder if they 'dug two graves' when they set out to destroy Goncalo, or at least protected their home and personal assets before issuing the Writ?

It may be that they had to put up a some sort of bond in order to issue proceedings in Portugal.  A 'stake' that could now be at considerable risk.  I feel if they could have walked away from this libel trial, they would have.  This is just speculation on my part, as it must be risky for a Court to allow a foreigner to pursue such a long running and costly trial without some sort of guarantee that costs would be paid.

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Post by Cordelia on 19.06.14 15:08

ultimaThule wrote:
Cordelia wrote:They have treated the Fund as their Piggy Bank and  employed the likes of Halligen and Metodo 3 , two retired Detectives with little knowledge of searching for missing children yet apart from the Daily Mail originally, no investigative reporting has been done.

As stated on their website, he McCanns' limited company Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited, also known as  'Madeleiene's Fund', was set up to:
   "To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
   To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family."

Can you please indicate which part of the above restricts the McCanns from using the limited company's income as their 'Piggy Bank' and provide a link to the the 'investigative reporting' which you state has been been done by 'Daily Mail originally', Cordelia?

Esther McVey publicly declared that the Fund  Directors had agreed that the Fund would not be used for the McCanns  expenses , a couple of months later , it was, so Esther resigned.



While writing, I would  suggest you ask the Mods to move this thread to a more relevant topic such as this one:   ?????https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8363-new-members-please-put-your-questions-on-this-thread#195362

Eta a reminder that fossey asked to provide a link on this thread yesterday: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9845p80-libel-trial-postponement-the-truth-about-the-mccanns-lie-by-nigel-moore#260963    ???????


I'm sorry, i don't know what you mean, Iv'e been out most of the day so just checking my e-mails 

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Post by Cordelia on 19.06.14 15:21

Enid O'Dowd wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:I venture to suggest that if you or I were to set up a not for profit limited company for whatever purpose it's unlikely the year end accounts would show a surplus of several million £s Bishop, and, just as many other aspects of this case appear to be without precedent, I suspect that it may be unique in the annals of HM Customs & Revenue.

Enid O'Dowd has been casting her forensic accounting magnifying glass over the company's 'transparent' accounts since its inception https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8990-analysis-of-fund-accounts-by-enid-o-dowd-2013-mccannfiles#219242 and has found them to be as clear as mud but, although its not possible to ascertain what sums have been expended for this purpose, one of the company's directors has told us the Towers is, or has been, used as their office and, presumably, in addition to flights and accomodation, the cost of childcare would be a legitimate expense if 2 directors were required to be absent from their home for an extended period on company related business.      

As with all things McCann, one simple question gives rise to a hundred others and it's to hoped that, at some point in time, all of them will be answered.




IMO the cost of childcare is not an allowable expense where directors are away on company business, either in this case or in general where directors have young children. 

I would presume that the McCanns would not have childcare expenses for the trip to Lisbon to attend the hearing other than the cost of a telephone call to granny Healy to ask her to stay in the family home to look after her two grandchildren.

The costs of using part of the home as an office for the company and the travel and accommodation costs relating to court cases and the search are allowable.  It is unclear from the audited accounts how much, indeed if anything, has been charged for such expenses.



Hi Enid , I read that the NOTW had not only offered a reward of £2 million  for information leading to the whereabouts of Madeleine. In addition they set
up a facility  for donations and there was £1.5 million donated by the Public. The NOTW was by this time closing down and either the McCanns or NSU 
asked for the money , I have  copy of the reply from NOTW stating they had transferred the money to an HSBC Account no......... The Funds Bank is 
NatWest.

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Post by Doug D on 19.06.14 15:49

Cristobell,
 
I know I’m not Enid, but will give you my take on the costs issue anyway.
 
Any liability for costs must be on a personal basis, as they are seeking damages on an individual and personal basis.
 
However, Objective 3 of the fund:
 
‘To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.’
 
pretty much lets them do what they like with the money and if faced with a large legal bill, ‘including financial assistance’ fits admirably for drawing down whatever is left in the fund.
 
Aside from the fund, their main asset is likely to be their house, as all the money from the book deal was to go to Madeleine’s Fund.
 
Any attempt to relocate or hide assets in order to try and avoid a potential future liability would be fraudulent and run the risk of being ‘undone’ if  ‘it’ could be found and if there was anything still there to be had.
 
I would not be at all surprised if one of their ‘benefactors’ was required to underwrite any potential costs at the outset, but we have no way of finding out or knowing this at the present time.
 
I believe I am right in saying that the eventual bill will cover not only this bit of the court case but the original ‘book’ case and subsequent appeal as well, as the award of costs was deferred pending the result of this ‘trial’, so the final bill is certainly not going to be ‘pocket-money’.

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Post by Cordelia on 19.06.14 16:01

Hi Doug D, actually it was only the Royalties that went into the Fund, not the Advance paid to Kate , not for one ,but two books. Plus the £200,000 paid by the Sun for sole rights to print extracts from the Book

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Post by JohnyT on 19.06.14 16:15

ultimaThule wrote:I venture to suggest that if you or I were to set up a not for profit limited company for whatever purpose it's unlikely the year end accounts would show a surplus of several million £s Bishop, and, just as many other aspects of this case appear to be without precedent, I suspect that it may be unique in the annals of HM Customs & Revenue.

Enid O'Dowd has been casting her forensic accounting magnifying glass over the company's 'transparent' accounts since its inception https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8990-analysis-of-fund-accounts-by-enid-o-dowd-2013-mccannfiles#219242 and has found them to be as clear as mud but, although its not possible to ascertain what sums have been expended for this purpose, one of the company's directors has told us the Towers is, or has been, used as their office and, presumably, in addition to flights and accomodation, the cost of childcare would be a legitimate expense if 2 directors were required to be absent from their home for an extended period on company related business.      

As with all things McCann, one simple question gives rise to a hundred others and it's to hoped that, at some point in time, all of them will be answered.
Makes my blood boil.......sounds more like a business plan than a fund that's to be used for a search for Maddie.
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