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Mirage, I reckon there's several contributors within the Bureau. They often sign off with different initials and have varying writing styles. There's the hideously vitriolic Antony Sharples, the clever insightful one and the hilariously witty one. And the cynical one?
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i agree with blacksmithGoogle.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
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Well, Goncalo Amaral's made his position absolutely clear in this latest interview, hasn't he? He's comfortable alongside Mr Tony Bennett, M/S Pat Brown and Joana Morais and perhaps he's right.
Unfortunately the little Bureau disagrees completely with everything he's said, there's no possibility of common ground and so we wish him luck and say goodbye to Goncalo.
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Dee Coy wrote:Mirage, I reckon there's several contributors within the Bureau. They often sign off with different initials and have varying writing styles. There's the hideously vitriolic Antony Sharples, the clever insightful one and the hilariously witty one. And the cynical one?
Thanks Dee Coy. I've heard that said. Thing is, they should sort themselves out if that's the case. Either they are promulgating a common view or, if they're not, they should put their individual names to their articles. What are they men or mice?. "Confusion is good" is Gerry's specialty. I thought they were a serious outfit once upon a fairy tale. I hate fakes, I really do.
There seems a lunar aspect to their outbursts. I will go consult my almanac.
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Are you able to say why?elasticandy wrote:i agree with blacksmithGoogle.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
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Well, Goncalo Amaral's made his position absolutely clear in this latest interview, hasn't he? He's comfortable alongside Mr Tony Bennett, M/S Pat Brown and Joana Morais and perhaps he's right.
Unfortunately the little Bureau disagrees completely with everything he's said, there's no possibility of common ground and so we wish him luck and say goodbye to Goncalo.
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j.rob – I don’t understand what you’re getting at. I’m referring to cover ups/high level involvement and the possible reasons for this. This was discussed earlier in the thread and the topic concerns Amaral’s latest interview, where he mentions the current digs etc being staged/a farce/ a movie. You’ve emboldened the bit of my post mentioning conspiracy, but haven’t elaborated.
Yes, the perpetrators seem pretty clear to me, too.
Yes, the perpetrators seem pretty clear to me, too.
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Interesting theory.MaybeMaybenot wrote:CynicAl wrote:tigger wrote:SixMillionQuid wrote:Gonçalo Amaral: Yes, we will. When MI5 opens the case files, we will find out.
Don’t forget that the British secret services followed the case right from the beginning. On location.
Well Control Risks Group were on the ground soon after the disappearance and they consist of ex security service personel. So it wouldn't surprise me if the security service were doing their own thing without telling the PJ.
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A private security firm has been secretly investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for four months because her parents
feared that Portuguese police were failing properly to search for their daughter.
Iirc Dr. Amaral said it was the British (i think MI5) who pushed them to arrest Murat initially.
Clearly they wanted the case to be wound up quickly.
Might explain the sudden recollection of three of the T 9 that they'd seen him and explain a good deal more.
Is that in the files?
The files actually contain the information that the PJ's investigation was being badged and directed by a representative of MI5, who were naming their own 'prime suspects' and demanding their arbitrary arrest? Did the files mention what evidence was presented for MI5's insistence? Did the director of the PJ consider that his agency's mandate was to do whatever British Military Intelligence told him to do, and to throw an investigation in order to oblige?
Didn't someone also say that it was the British Police who first regarded the parent's as prime suspects?
So how many agencies were actually on the ground in Portugal directing the PJ?
I'm surprised at Amaral... He seems like a man who would tell British Military Intelligence to take a running jump and wait for due process.
Show me one video of anyone who stayed there in resort talking about a missing girl..Everyone must have been gagged....WHY?
This is a definite cover up...Absolutely sure of it
Why do you expect there to be lots of videos of anyone who was in the town at the same time talking about Maddie? How many videos exist of people who were in town at the same time as Ben Needham? Or in York at the same time as Claudia Lawrence? If this was today I'd expect every numb-brain wanting his fifteen minutes to have a video. Seven years ago? I hardly think everyone in town must have been gagged. Do you not think that journalists would have picked up on a gag? Why did Amaral not report a gag? Or was he in on it?
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What the devil did Blacksmith mean today (June 9)?!
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In that case, elasticandy, PLEASE explain what Blacksmith was talking about in the particular column. He has ben optimistic the McCanns will be charged. Has he now changed his mind? Or does he still believe the McCanns will be charged and is dismissing those who do not believe that?
PLEASE tell me what you think Blacksmith means here!
In that case, elasticandy, PLEASE explain what Blacksmith was talking about in the particular column. He has ben optimistic the McCanns will be charged. Has he now changed his mind? Or does he still believe the McCanns will be charged and is dismissing those who do not believe that?
PLEASE tell me what you think Blacksmith means here!
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Mirage wrote:Dee Coy wrote:Mirage, I reckon there's several contributors within the Bureau. They often sign off with different initials and have varying writing styles. There's the hideously vitriolic Antony Sharples, the clever insightful one and the hilariously witty one. And the cynical one?
Thanks Dee Coy. I've heard that said. Thing is, they should sort themselves out if that's the case. Either they are promulgating a common view or, if they're not, they should put their individual names to their articles. What are they men or mice?. "Confusion is good" is Gerry's specialty. I thought they were a serious outfit once upon a fairy tale. I hate fakes, I really do.
There seems a lunar aspect to their outbursts. I will go consult my almanac.
Certainly lost a lot of credibility with today's offering. Reminds me a bit of when religions become so powerful they start believing the words of the self-aggrandizing men within them and forget what Jesus et al actually believed and preached. Or when the upwardly-mobile start to believe their own snobbish hype and deny the two-up two-down they were brought up in and don't invite their parents to their weddings.
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Ochosi wrote:Late to the party and going back a few pages.... I find a lot of what CynicAl says sounds sensible.
As a high level conspiracy to cover up/whitewash - it looks like a mess to me.
I've thought before, that the Government (Brown/Blair) support for the McCanns was as a PR exercise for the Government and the Press have been toeing the line due to fear of litigation.
What I find difficult to understand, is the review that David Cameron requested. Okay, so we mainly accept Rebekah Brooks pressured him. I'm not sure I’m clear why she did and why he agreed, but I’m not going into those theories here.
Then the review turned into an investigation. I don't think it would have needed to do that for a whitewash/cover up to be possible.
Couldn't SY have said "we've reviewed the case files, consulted with the PJ, Leicestershire Police, x y and z who were involved in the original investigation and conclude that, though sadly, no answers have been found, due process was followed and we are reassured that the case isn't closed, but shelved and the PJ will reopen in the light of any new information, or as they have always stated, if the McCanns request this" ?
So why turn it into a criminal investigation - outside of their jurisdiction?
As a PR exercise, it seems to be a badly judged one and far more costly than initially anticipated. I believe a lot of politicians are ego maniacs, but to instigate an investigation which requires a conclusion that gives them some sort of kudos, seems a risky strategy. Which doesn't mean that isn't what's happening.
I can't work out a plausible explanation, as to why this case is where it is. I can think of explanations for various events – which all could be way off the mark - but not a concerted, all encompassing explanation which sees all parties (excl. PJ) acting to a common purpose.
I think you have to understand just how effective G McC is in this world of media and politics. It's not exactly a new phenomenon - some people are just very good at mass manipulation.
So, I think the reason the Met Police are conducting their inquiry in this way - rather than doing the sensible thing and starting with intensive re-interviewing of the Tapas 9 - is that there is political pressure on them to rubbish the PJ investigation under Amaral. The intention is to show that the original investigation was defective. That is enough for Team McCann. Their main objective is to prevent Amaral's book being published in the UK. That is the great bulwark that has to be defended.
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Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
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hi - I guess im very suspicious of Mi5/SiS conspiracies - i suspect the mm disappearance is simpler but with little evidence to support a conviction. im not a blacksmith fan or any fan but on this i think he is right Mi5 would have buried this case years ago.utahagen wrote:elasticandy wrote, "i agree with blacksmith"
In that case, elasticandy, PLEASE explain what Blacksmith was talking about in the particular column. He has ben optimistic the McCanns will be charged. Has he now changed his mind? Or does he still believe the McCanns will be charged and is dismissing those who do not believe that?
PLEASE tell me what you think Blacksmith means here!
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Cynicalal have enjoyed your posts today. My feelings are quite similar.I personally don't feel that there is a cover up. I believe that SY and the PJ are working together.
Until I see a random person arrested/arguidoed, I'm.going to try to be positive.
Until I see a random person arrested/arguidoed, I'm.going to try to be positive.
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It would appear the 'little bureau' is run by heartless 'little man' who abandoned comrades for his own aggrandisement.
Good luck to Amaral - yes.
Good bye - No
Good bye Bull Shit littleman !
ETA: GGS, he was binned earlier. We are not allowed recycled rubbish here.
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CynicAl wrote:sallypelt
Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
Indeed. As the man himself said "We want to create information": http://www.mccannfiles.com/id306.html
GM: We want to create information that will lead to us helping find Madeleine.
I'm probably nitpicking here but apart from the "create" information. The word "helping" is unnecessary, imo. He should have said "will lead us to finding Madeleine.
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I know we've all seen it a hundred times but this Mcvid tells it all about exaggerating the "abductor". From 7.00 questions from journo, who doesn't believe them. KM "I know, I found my daughter gone". (no emotion about her missing daughter, just defensive reaction to a dis-believing journo). I know more than you do" All about defending themselves. Why oh why has no journo followed up on this and asked KM to expand on what she knows more of.
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CynicAl wrote:sallypelt
Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
Very good analysis. I agree - it's far more about information control than about financial gain as some people like to suggest, though no doubt they'll never have to worry about the mortgage again.
Looking back I think there have been roughly four phases of information control:
1. Initial damage limitation. Planting various ideas e.g. break in, abduction, predator, "like dining in your garden", etc etc.
2. Active "on the offensive" - meet the Pope, public education, FBI, tour of European capitals, make contact with witnesses.
3. Passive - I think they hoped to gradually turn down the volume and disappear from public life.
4. Renewed defence - this has to do with Amaral's book and the need to ensure it never sees the light of day in the UK. I think we are still in that period and this is what the Met Police op is all about.
Just my personal impression.
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aiyoyo wrote:
It would appear the 'little bureau' is run by heartless 'little man' who abandoned comrades for his own aggrandisement.
Good luck to Amaral - yes.
Good bye - No
Good bye Bull Shit littleman !
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AGREE 100%.
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Wanting to know what people think, then trying to control it is the core of this case. CM was deployed for that reason , that was/is his role. Spreading complicity was GM's role and it worked, so far. Someone said earlier something that reminded me of the days when I used to frequent the Mirror forums, back in the day , and that was that Gerry was deflated and wanted out at some point, then the great strategy came about and he was in for it. .maebee wrote:CynicAl wrote:sallypelt
Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
Indeed. As the man himself said "We want to create information": http://www.mccannfiles.com/id306.html
Like Cynical Al and others I doubt the great conspiracies , I think this event hit a perfect time , a perfect unease and exploited it. All Blair and Brown wanted was to be part of the great populace wave they assumed was in support of the parents, they wanted to ride that wave, hence the deploying of CM. But he went "native" , he espied a good chance when he saw it , like all the other chancers who have come since , the PI's , the agencies, the great solvers to be.
Amaral has both overplayed and underplayed his hand here. Even today he refrains from using Mark Harrison's name .
The case against the parents was made by British cops assigned to the case , lent, whatever , such as Lee Rainbow , the profiler, Mark Harrison the body finder in chief and Martin Grimes and his dogs. Their role was known to forum afficianados and made clear after the wikileaks tape . Known by the diplomatic service , who advised a slight retraction of support . Know to Exton in his sub-contracted role for Halligen.
Then Redwood came into the game , because Cameron was pushed shoved whatever by Rebekkah Brooks . We don't know how diligent he intends or wants to be , how fixed or flexible is his thinking, but we do know he is relying heavily on Exton's reports. We know , from Exton that this report was critical of the parents and we know he suggested that Madeleine's bedtime wanderings might have played a part . What else did he consider? The man is no fool, he taped and had voice analysis of JT , did he do the same to the parents? Why did they suppress his report ?
All of this I knew, you knew, then Slopping out said something that gave me a jolt . He mentioned the wallet , the credit cards and cocaine . Now we tend to assume they had a grand plan , that is our error. They were thinking on their feet, hoping to get by day to day , at first. The wallet has bugged me for 7 years . I used to think cadaver scent . But of course they were concerned about their other misdemeanours . What did Gerry and Matt have in common, other than a tendency for constrained parenting , and a desire to have been professional footballers? What a great way to deliver drugs would be a person wandering around the town with a baby buggy. Why did Matt feel the need to wake up Jezz to tell him to go back to sleep , again? Why would SY want to be talking to drug suppliers ? And if you needed help in a town far from home and you had just bought or sold (another thought) some gear, how stongly could you pressurize your buyers into assistance and what would they be prepared to do ?
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CynicAl wrote:sallypelt
Good points. The fund, the actions of the Mc's don't even merely point to greed. They point to control. Everything about what they do is about controlling information. PR agents? Controlling information. Carter Ruck? Controlling information. A freaking call centre hotline in India? Controlling information. They want to know what anyone has on the case before they hear it from SY. They need to know first. No sign of "please help us... Call the police or Childline." Always 'call our operation.' Halligen, probably hired as a leak tester. Metodo3, hired as an illusion. They want to know what people think then try to control it.
So can you please answer the question posed by Hicks about Clarence Mitchell?
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But what did he MEAN?!
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I still don't know what Blacksmith Bureau meant in his last post. Does he now no longer think the McCanns will be charged?
PLEASE someone explain this to me!
I still don't know what Blacksmith Bureau meant in his last post. Does he now no longer think the McCanns will be charged?
PLEASE someone explain this to me!
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Utahagen Imo he still believes the mc will be charged. He appears to think that Goncalo is treating the investigation as a cover up again now and not an investigation to find the real culprits.
That's my terrible interpretation anyway!
That's my terrible interpretation anyway!
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About the drug trafficking: I thought all drugs were legal in Portugal. Why would there be trafficking?
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Dr Amaral wrote:This is madness. These are completely mad people.
Now that's a statement I can completely agree with.
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stillsloppingout wrote:So there you have it . when Mi5 are involved its usually to pull somebody out of the sh** Hence all the D notices etc .
For this to happen IMO it can only be because the person is a senior cabinet minister [ of the time, NOT opposition ] , or a high end member of the Royal Family . [ then process of ilimination ]
Ps this post by Amaral needs to be posted on social media .
I don't mind posting it on facebook, but wouldn't we need permission from at least astro? Admin, Mods?
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CynicAl wrote:Hmmm.
I've repeatedly asserted that a high level conspiracy to cover-up and pervert the course of justice from the outset would have resulted in this case looking very, very different, having been dead and moot for several years by now, never to be resurrected, with the principals who could open their mouths and spoil it all being as quiet as the grave, or else in the grave.
The reason why is that if you're going to be secretive, you don't want loose ends, loose nuts, loose cannons...
IMO
CynicAl is making the most sense. By applying the facts to the case, he is by far the most logical in stating this does not resemble a cover up or whitewash at all.
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Loving Mom wrote:CynicAl wrote:Hmmm.
I've repeatedly asserted that a high level conspiracy to cover-up and pervert the course of justice from the outset would have resulted in this case looking very, very different, having been dead and moot for several years by now, never to be resurrected, with the principals who could open their mouths and spoil it all being as quiet as the grave, or else in the grave.
The reason why is that if you're going to be secretive, you don't want loose ends, loose nuts, loose cannons...
IMO
CynicAl is making the most sense. By applying the facts to the case, he is by far the most logical in stating this does not resemble a cover up or whitewash at all.
Furthermore, according to the PJ's conclusion, there was not an abduction and that the Mc's know it. Since PJ reopened the case, it would only be logical that the Mc's will be brought to trial, they have every intention of seeking justice. What exactly the PJ will charge them with may be a lesser charge than they'd like to charge them with but I believe justice will be sought in the near future.
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aiyoyo wrote:Gonçalo Amaral: What is dangerous and serious is this attempt to find a new thesis, a so-called new theory about someone who goes to commit a theft and is scared by a three-year-old child and kills her and takes her out of there, I think it's convoluted.
But it’s nothing new. I remember that within the investigation, back then, and I recall that I spent six months in that investigation, not seven years, or three or four, like Scotland Yard – during that time, there was this thesis, too. And it happens that it was brought forward by a colleague who was a member of British Police, of Scotland Yard. He was the only member of Scotland Yard who was present in that work group of the Polícia Judiciária and the British police, he was Scotland Yard.
And when he advanced that hypothesis, it was discussed and completely set aside because it made no sense. Now they even added a bit more spice, to spice it up, that they are traffickers, that apart from trafficking, one day they thought of breaking into a house. Nobody proves that house was broken into, that there was a theft, there are no traces of a break-in.
So the 'burglary gone wrong' hypothesis (and a dead Maddie taken instead of valuables )was already purported by a Scotland Yard police member back then in 2007 ?
Uhmmmm...this is news, first time I heard it.
Sems they don't easily let go of their pet-idea
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Well that's your opinion (which you're entitled to) mines is he's wrong and is posting long winded efforts to wear down the 'opposition'. I'll stick with Dr Amaral, he knows a lot more about the case and is concise with his thoughts.Loving Mom wrote:CynicAl wrote:Hmmm.
I've repeatedly asserted that a high level conspiracy to cover-up and pervert the course of justice from the outset would have resulted in this case looking very, very different, having been dead and moot for several years by now, never to be resurrected, with the principals who could open their mouths and spoil it all being as quiet as the grave, or else in the grave.
The reason why is that if you're going to be secretive, you don't want loose ends, loose nuts, loose cannons...
IMO
CynicAl is making the most sense. By applying the facts to the case, he is by far the most logical in stating this does not resemble a cover up or whitewash at all.
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utahagen wrote:Aiyoyo wrote: "It would appear the 'little bureau' is run by heartless 'little man' who abandoned comrades for his own aggrandisement."
I still don't know what Blacksmith Bureau meant in his last post. Does he now no longer think the McCanns will be charged?
PLEASE someone explain this to me!
Usually BS's verbose style is him showing off his writing skills, but ending up talking in riddles with very little or no value whatsoever.The odd times he does do short pieces at least one can still glimpse a relatively clear gist of what he tries to say, and this piece is one of them.
Basically in that piece he's saying those people who believe that OG is a farce and a whitewash are wrong. He did not state that he knows or he's sure that 'mom, dad and their drinking buddies' will be charged.
Imv BS is only as certain as he can spit his words in long and convoluted riddles.
He comes across as a bigoted sod who flows along with the current, comes and goes with the tide flowing along nicely and conceitedly with no conviction one way or another.
You will never know where his stance stands, but he wants to give the impression he is far superior and knows better.
The OG operation for all intent and purpose thus far does appear wishy washy, and no one can get a clear conviction of their direction. I have no doubt their doubters and believers alike share common goal, that is-justice to Madeleine. If, in the finished, the MET managed to put in the dock those responsible for Maddie's demise they would have done their fiduciary duty well.
Optimists and pessimists viewpoints are all natural mix in a debate forum, no right and no wrong, just wait and see what pans out.
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Yep, seen it happen before, then they disappear in a puff of smoke...and then reappear in a different guise with the same arguments.Hongkong Phooey wrote:Well that's your opinion (which you're entitled to) mines is he's wrong and is posting long winded efforts to wear down the 'opposition'. I'll stick with Dr Amaral, he knows a lot more about the case and is concise with his thoughts.Loving Mom wrote:CynicAl wrote:Hmmm.
I've repeatedly asserted that a high level conspiracy to cover-up and pervert the course of justice from the outset would have resulted in this case looking very, very different, having been dead and moot for several years by now, never to be resurrected, with the principals who could open their mouths and spoil it all being as quiet as the grave, or else in the grave.
The reason why is that if you're going to be secretive, you don't want loose ends, loose nuts, loose cannons...
IMO
CynicAl is making the most sense. By applying the facts to the case, he is by far the most logical in stating this does not resemble a cover up or whitewash at all.
If I believed this was a genuine investigation I would be expecting certain individuals, whom we all know, to be arrested. If that does not happen then someone has some explaining to do, especially to me.
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Re: Latest interview with Dr Amaral - copied from Joana Morais - with thanks
lj wrote:aiyoyo wrote:Gonçalo Amaral: What is dangerous and serious is this attempt to find a new thesis, a so-called new theory about someone who goes to commit a theft and is scared by a three-year-old child and kills her and takes her out of there, I think it's convoluted.
But it’s nothing new. I remember that within the investigation, back then, and I recall that I spent six months in that investigation, not seven years, or three or four, like Scotland Yard – during that time, there was this thesis, too. And it happens that it was brought forward by a colleague who was a member of British Police, of Scotland Yard. He was the only member of Scotland Yard who was present in that work group of the Polícia Judiciária and the British police, he was Scotland Yard.
And when he advanced that hypothesis, it was discussed and completely set aside because it made no sense. Now they even added a bit more spice, to spice it up, that they are traffickers, that apart from trafficking, one day they thought of breaking into a house. Nobody proves that house was broken into, that there was a theft, there are no traces of a break-in.
So the 'burglary gone wrong' hypothesis (and a dead Maddie taken instead of valuables )was already purported by a Scotland Yard police member back then in 2007 ?
Uhmmmm...this is news, first time I heard it.
Sems they don't easily let go of their pet-idea
Maybe that's one theory that crossed their mind which needs to be eliminated anyway, but weight they gave to it or not should depend on evidence, and should not be entertained to the exclusion of all other evidence.
That's part and parcel of investigative process I suppose.
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