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Post by Tony Bennett 29.05.14 18:57

@PeterMac wrote:So who did the Due Diligence on a recently invented one man operation
Mitchell ?
The McCanns themselves ?
The Directors of the "Fund" ?
Bates, Wells, Braithwaite, ?
Haysmcintyre ?

Because who ever was supposed to is clearly guilty of gross negligence, and might be liable to the "Fund" for any consequential financial loss...

REPLY: The programme is to be called: 'The McCanns and the Conman'. Or 'The Man who Conned the McCanns'.

In a sense it doesn't matter, apart from russiandoll's point that the latter title makes the McCanns look rather more the victims.

So the 'spin' on Halligen and the truly giant sum of £500,000 plus expenses he was apparently paid is this:

Poor old McCanns. Sincere, but terribly naive. Desperate to do whatever they could to find Madeleine, but made an expensive mistake etc. etc.

Let us suppose that this programme was really about the alleged 'con' (instead of, what appears much more likely, about how Halligen has actually HELPED REdwood get nearer the truth).

Let us suppose that true investigative journalists, dedicated to telling their viewers how as much as £600,000-£700,000 - donated by pensioners' weekly pensions, childrens' pocket money etc. etc. - was conned out of a grieiving couple, we would surely expect to see the following sorts of questions raised - and answered:

* At what point did you decide to give up on Metodo 3, and Gary Hagland, or no longer use them full-time?

* Why?

* Was it anything to do with the arrest in February 2008 of one of Metodo 3's Madeleine investigators, Antonio Jiminez Raso, on serious criminal charges?

* What other firms of security/intelligence/search agencies apart from Halligen's Oakley did you contact?

* Why did you reject them?

* What was the first you knew about Halligen?

* Which one of the Fund's Directors first knew or contacted him?

* Who did the background checks on him?

* What did these background checks reveal?

* Were you aware of his dishonest role in the Trafigura scandal?

* What was the nature of the interview process for Halligen?

* Who actually interviewed him for the job?

* What was the precise nature of the contract?

* Was the contract in writing?

* When was the first payment made to Halligen?

* In fact, is there any proof that any payment was made direct to Halligen, or did payments go via one of Brian Kennedy's many holding companies?

* How much was the first payment?

* On what date was it paid?

* What other payments were made and on what dates?

* On what precise dates did Halligen report to Brian Kennedy, the McCanns or any of the Directors about his results?

* What did he tell them?

* To what extent did each single Director take part in the various decisions to seek, appoint , monitor and supervise Halligen?

* Has each Director been asked by the TV company what their knowledge is of the origin and genesis of the Halligen fiasco?


Unless these and similar questions are asked and dealt with in the programme, it cannot be a proper exposure of...

...HOW (allegedly) THE McCANNS WERE CONNED 

    



 

 

 
   



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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by AndyB 29.05.14 19:33

@jeanmonroe wrote:eta: I just looked at the 'listings'

http://www.channel5.com/schedule?date=2014-06-04&page=1

4th June 2014, 21:00pm The McCanns and the Conman.
Have a look at what's on 5 star at the same time
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Post by Guest 29.05.14 19:37

The programme before - GPs: behind closed doors - might be relevant too!
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Post by PeterMac 29.05.14 19:40

Got to share it. You couldn't make it up

[img]Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 Ch5_j10[/img]

We shall have to guess as to which has the most far-fetched plot.
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Post by Guest 29.05.14 21:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAB-90Ys1k

This is a trailer for the film Abduction. It's about a teenager who was abducted as a child........
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Post by Doug D 30.05.14 15:34

New Laz just up.
 
‘WHOOSH...
       and now we have...
 
Well I guess the title had to be changed, so many people thinking the Conman in the first title referred to Clarence Mitchell’
 
http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/McCanns_and_The_Conman.html
 
 
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Post by Guest 30.05.14 15:47

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-man-who-conned-the-mccanns/clips/trailer

Here's the trailer for the programme.

For some unknown reason the website which deals with scammers by scamming them comes to mind!

http://www.419eater.com
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Post by Lance De Boils 30.05.14 16:53

@PeterMac wrote:Got to share it. You couldn't make it up

Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 <a href=Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 Ch5_j10" />

We shall have to guess as to which has the most far-fetched plot.

Ha! Brilliant!
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Post by aiyoyo 30.05.14 19:48

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Got to share it. You couldn't make it up

Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 <a href=Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 Ch5_j10" />

We shall have to guess as to which has the most far-fetched plot.

Ha! Brilliant!
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Abduction film ?
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Post by aiyoyo 30.05.14 19:50

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Got to share it. You couldn't make it up

Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 <a href=Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 11 Ch5_j10" />

We shall have to guess as to which has the most far-fetched plot.

Ha! Brilliant!
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Abduction film ?
1m 20 secs to carry out the abduction with no trace of entrance or exist point.
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Post by Guest 30.05.14 19:50

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAB-90Ys1k

This is a trailer for the film Abduction. It's about a teenager who was abducted as a child........

Here's more information about the film.
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Post by PeterMac 31.05.14 8:26

WITH the usual thanks to l-azzeri.

This is a nice summary, even though the quotes are not referenced, ( so we need to take care)
http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Pinky_Telling_Porkies.html
Pinky Telling Porkies
In March 2008 McCanns won their libel action against the Express Paper Group.
In March 2008 McCanns hired the con man (Kevin Halligan that is, just to be clear on that, so many con men involved in this case. Mitchell was hired around September 2007
August 2008 news of Halligan's appointment hit the UK press.
With Clarence Mitchell stating:
"There is a global operation working for Kate and Gerry."
"They are internationally-based with components in Britain, America, Europe and other countries where sightings have been made."
The New team appointed three months ago, is half way through a six-month contract.

Mitchell explained:
"A sum of £500,000 has been committed to them from the Find Madeleine Fund."  
"For security reasons we can't go into detail of the experts involved but it would not be wrong to say some are former military and police personnel with a degree of expertise."

And a close friend (Mitchell?) said:  
"The hunt for Madeleine is becoming more and more international and it was felt that a truly international firm was now needed to lead the inquiry."
"These really are the big boys.  They are absolutely the best, but they are extremely secretive, and cloak and dagger about what they do.
Since their appointment, Metodo has very much taken a back seat and they are now concentrating primarily in Portugal and Spain and across the Straits of Gibraltar into north Africa, where they have their main contacts.  The American agency is pretty much handling everything else."

And Mitchell said:
Kate and Gerry made it clear from the outset they would leave no stone unturned in finding Madeleine and that means employing the very best people in any given field.
It is correct that an international firm of investigators have been appointed.  But I m unableto say anything at all about them because of the covert nature of their work and the need for secrecy, not only in looking for Madeleine, but also in relation to previous operations."  
" Spain, Portugal and North Africa still remain the most likely places where Madeleine could be.  However, with recent sightings in Amsterdam and Brussels, we have the power to have investigators out on the ground immediately."
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The above statements by Mitchell were reported in the press on 13th/14th August 2008.  
Only ten days later press filled with stories of how Halligan, this crack detective had conned the Madeleine Fund.
Halligan had been employed by the McCanns for a period of a few months at the point the first articles were printed 13th/14th August, articles where Clarence perhaps the biggest con of the lot, made the above statements.

It would be naive of us to believe that at that time he did not know what was about to hit the headlines - the story of the con
When it did, Mitchell the spokesperson and source said:
Kate and Gerry, the Fund and their backers have always sought to employ the very best people and resources in the ongoing search for Madeleine.
Kate and Gerry, via the Fund and the backers, continue to employ many such resources and it is true that Red Defence and Oakley were part of those resources.
I simply will not comment on any personnel, financial or operation details whatsoever".
END
Funny that, that Mitchell didn't want to report on any financial operation whatsoever!

But this paper and others were not so bashful:

Madeleine McCann: Investigators axed after being paid £500,000 Telegraph (no longer available online)
A firm of private investigators hired to hunt for Madeleine McCann have been dropped after being paid £500,000.
By Subhajit Banerjee
Last Updated: 10:46AM BST 24 Aug 2008
The US-based team had been given a six-month contract earlier this year and were paid from money donated to the Find Madeleine Fund.
Their contract will not be renewed after double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy - who is underwriting the fund's search - became unhappy with the progress it was making.
Oakley International, which boasts former British security service and FBI contacts, was hired to monitor the Madeleine Hotline, carry out detective work and review CCTV footage of possible Madeleine sightings.
Mr Kennedy reportedly believes the agency's bills - estimated to be over £80,000 a month - were not justified by their results, the Mail on Sunday reports.
Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann have been kept informed all along and agree with the decision.
Oakley International Group, a company registered in Washington DC as the manufacturer of search and navigation equipment, is run by Briton Kevin Halligen.
Madeleine McCann had disappeared from the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007, nine days short of her fourth birthday.
A spokesman for the McCanns refused to comment on 'personnel, financial or operational details'.

END
And it gets curioser and curioser.
Here we have on 24th August 2008 the press reporting that Halligan (Oakley International) had been dropped by the Find Madeleine Fund (a week prior to '24th') as the wealthy backer to the McCanns, Brian Kennedy, was angry at the monies spent on this guy(reported as £80,000 per month) and for little or nothing in return!
SNIP
All of the articles re the first reports on Halligan, Oakley International from 2008 can be found at McCannfiles...where else!
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id285.html
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Post by canada12 31.05.14 8:50

Thanks, PM.
In hindsight, it's such a load of BS, isn't it.
Actually, at the time I thought it was a load of BS.
"These really are the big boys. They are absolutely the best, but they are extremely secretive, and cloak and dagger about what they do. "

Absolutely the best? It's so laughable. "The best" would have been a detective agency with a proven track record in locating lost and missing people. Not a fly-by-night operation like Halligan.

But then "the best" would likely have come to a conclusion not helpful to Kate and Gerry.

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Post by aiyoyo 31.05.14 9:33

Their contract will not be renewed after double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy - who is underwriting the fund's search - became unhappy with the progress it was making.

Underwriting? You'd think BK was paying their private investigators and not the Fund.
If he was meant as a guarantor, you would ask why they need one?
How long did they expert the search by these crack team big boys with international operation to last?

Curioser is why would Mccanns trust BK, someone whom (if reports are to be believed) they had never met prior to the incident, and then leave such a crucial matter as the search for Madeleine in his hands (albeit he pledged support to them) when he had no track record in the business of private detectives managing.


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Post by aiyoyo 31.05.14 9:38

@canada12 wrote:Thanks, PM.
In hindsight, it's such a load of BS, isn't it.
Actually, at the time I thought it was a load of BS.
"These really are the big boys.  They are absolutely the best, but they are extremely secretive, and cloak and dagger about what they do. "

Absolutely the best? It's so laughable. "The best" would have been a detective agency with a proven track record in locating lost and missing people. Not a fly-by-night operation like Halligan.

But then "the best" would likely have come to a conclusion not helpful to Kate and Gerry.


"Big boys" "secretive" "cloak and dagger" are all buzz words to spin to the public.

Why did he state the obvious, that is common knowledge, that even 5-year olds would know that PIs works are secretive by its very nature it is private?
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Post by PeterMac 31.05.14 9:40

@canada12 wrote:
But then "the best" would likely have come to a conclusion not helpful to Kate and Gerry.
And as a matter of record the one who did was promptly sacked.
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Post by aiyoyo 31.05.14 9:46

@PeterMac wrote:
@canada12 wrote:
But then "the best" would likely have come to a conclusion not helpful to Kate and Gerry.
And as a matter of record the one who did was promptly sacked.

Not because he was incompetent, but because he was skeptical of the McCanns.
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Post by jeanmonroe 31.05.14 11:03

Curioser is why would Mccanns trust BK, someone whom (if reports are to be believed) they had never met prior to the incident, and then leave such a crucial matter as the search for Madeleine in his hands (albeit he pledged support to them) when he had no track record in the business of private detectives managing.
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So, the programme could possibly be re-titled The MaCs and the ConMEN?

The NON BK does NOT seem to have a good track 'record' in business does he?

WHO gave the NON BK the 'authority' to allocate the 'search fund' public donations/resources to KH?
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Post by PeterMac 31.05.14 11:40

@aiyoyo wrote:
Not because he was incompetent, but because he was skeptical of the McCanns.
As has every professional who has had any dealings with them
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Post by aiyoyo 31.05.14 11:50

@PeterMac wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
Not because he was incompetent, but because he was skeptical of the McCanns.
As has every professional who has had any dealings with them


With the exception of that Pink-slithering-spokescreature of course.
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Post by Guest 31.05.14 11:51

Not to mention "professionals" like Jim Gamble and Mark Williams-Thomas.
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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Not to mention "professionals" like Jim Gamble and Mark Williams-Thomas.
I'd like to add Ray Wyre
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Post by Mirage 31.05.14 12:10

And who could forget the one and only  Dr Sharon - Hundred per cent innocent- Leal? She who gave the "The Lying Game" programme an extra layer of meaning.

The go-to expert who can tell at a cursory glance at someone reading a script on the telly  whether they are innocent of (insert crime of choice here).

Was she a damp squib?  Or did she take the study of lying and liars to the furthermost reaches of understanding?

You the sentient public must decide. Take your time.
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Post by jeanmonroe 31.05.14 13:12

The McCanns will NOT, and neither will their 'pal/spokesman/family friend/ source' imo, say anything er, um, derogaotry, about KH, before or after the programme because, like all good professional 'big boy' operatives, he would, imo, have been 'wearing a wire' when he was having 'cosy' kitchen chats with the Macs at Rothley Manor.

Hope they have got a good memory about what was actually 'discussed' with KH at Rothley.  laughat laughat 
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Who was the poster who stated a few months ago that Channel 5 was making a documentary to be shown in June. I've had a search but can't find anything. It would be interesting to read the post again and see what else they said about it. It was someone with some connection to the media ? Stillslopingout.
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