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Post by jeanmonroe 27.05.14 3:07

@worriedmum wrote:Oh dear. I've just had a nasty sinking feeling. Is 'Smithman ' about to be dissed because he was discovered by Halligen?

Hope so!

Because that would mean that GM admitting to being the LAST person to 'see' a 'live' Madeleine, in her bed, (MO didn't 'see' her)  would be right back in the 'frame' as a major POI!
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Post by Dutchgirl 27.05.14 7:17

Madeleine McCann private eye breaks his silence on the hunt in a new Channel 5 documentary
THE private investigator behind the 2008 operation to find Madeleine McCann will speak for the first time about his search for the youngster.
By: John Chapman
Published: Tue, May 27, 2014





Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN' - Page 7 23n23maddie-478406The new documentary will air next week on Channel 5[PA]

Kevin Halligen will break his silence in an exclusive Channel 5 interview for a documentary, The McCanns And The Conman.

The 53-year-old set up Operation Omega after being commissioned by parents Kate and Gerry McCann to find Maddy, who vanished at the age of three while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

Halligan, a Surrey-based Irishman, promised to use his MI5, MI6 and CIA “contacts” to try to track down the girl.

The security consultant signed a six-figure contract – but questions were later raised over exactly how the money was spent.

Now Halligen, who also claimed to have FBI and White House connections, has agreed to tell his side of the story.

This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community
Emma Westcott, of Channel 5

The documentary, due to be screened next week, reads like the plot of a spy movie.

It is an extraordinary tale of covert surveillance, sting operations and the bugging of a key witness through the twists and turns of the hunt for a man who was then a prime suspect, code-named “George”.

Halligen’s final report is said to contain significant leads that now form part of the current Scotland Yard investigation, including the crucial e-fits based on the so-called “Smith sighting”, which was aired on Crimewatch last October.

But it transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who led people into believing he was a spy.

He was arrested in 2009 and jailed in the US for defrauding an unrelated client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.

He has recently been released from prison.

Channel 5’s Emma Westcott said: “This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community.”

• The McCanns And The Conman, Channel 5, June 4, 9pm.
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.05.14 7:56

@Dutchgirl wrote:Halligen’s final report is said to contain significant leads that now form part of the current Scotland Yard investigation, including the crucial e-fits based on the so-called “Smith sighting”, which was aired on Crimewatch last October.

• The McCanns And The Conman, Channel 5, June 4, 9pm.
This says it all for me.

The idea that Halligen gained even a shred of useful information about who abducted Madeleine and where she might be is (IMO) utterly preposterous.

In addition, very clearly this programme is designed to back up DCI Redwood's claim that he is sincerely looking for 'Smithman'. (As a direct result of his 'revelation moment').

I appreciate that the majority on here believe the Smiths are genuine people who really saw a suspicious man at 10.00m carrying a pyjama-clad blonde girl near the beach. (And had very good reasons for not saying anything about it until their friend Robert Muart was made a suspect).

I don't.

I fully suspect that this programme has been vetted by the McCann Team and has their Seal of Approval.

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Post by Tony Bennett 27.05.14 7:59

@worriedmum wrote:Oh dear. I've just had a nasty sinking feeling. Is 'Smithman' about to be dissed because he was discovered by Halligen?
No.

The very opposite (IMO).

I think we shall see Halligen give the 'Smith sigthting' extra prominence.

Which is a great shame, because, as I see it, the 'Smith sighting' as a massive red herring.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by PeterMac 27.05.14 8:02

The Red tops have it.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/380792/EXCLUSIVE-Madeleine-McCann-bogus-super-spy-will-crack-case
EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann bogus super-spy 'will crack case'
A BOGUS super-spy hired by Madeleine McCann’s parents could solve the case.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 27th May 2014
MISSING: Police are still investigating the perplexing disappearance of Madeleine McCann
A new TV shock documentary tells how he identified the prime suspect in the mystery.
A year after the then three-year-old’s 2007 disappearance, Irishman Kevin Halligen, 52, signed a £500,000 deal to locate her.
“The McCanns trusted Kevin Halligen to bring her home. Channel 5 spokesman
Boasting of connections with MI5, MI6, the CIA, FBI, and the White House he planned to use hi-tech surveillance techniques.
But his contract was terminated after organisers of the public fund set up to find the youngster decided he had failed to honour their agreement.
Halligen was then arrested and extradited to the US where he was jailed last year for 44 months after admitting defrauding a different client out of $2.1m.
Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, were understood to be considering suing Halligen over his Operation Omega probe into their daughter’s disappearance.

But according to a new Channel 5 documentary Halligen’s operatives may end up solving the mystery. They identified as the prime suspect a man seen heading towards the beach in Praia da Luz, Portugal, clutching a sleeping blonde girl around 10pm the night Madeleine vanished.
Halligen’s investigators convinced the Irish family who saw her to help produce an e-fit. That man is now the Metropolitan Police’s No1 suspect.
Detectives believe he may be a serial sex attacker who targeted a string of other Brit girls on the Algarve.
In the documentary, The McCanns And The Conman – due to be screened on June 4 – recently freed Halligen will speak for the first time about his theory.
A spokesman for Channel 5 said: “The McCanns trusted Kevin Halligen to bring her home.”
Halligen was allegedly spending significant amounts of the cash meant to help find Madeleine on his luxury lifestyle.
Channel 5’s Emma Westcott said: “This is the extraordinary story of one man’s claims, and how he exploited the nightmare of a missing child.”
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Post by tiny 27.05.14 8:21

Detectives believe he may be a serial sex attacker who targeted a string of other Brit girls on the Algarve.

 Oh dear.i hope they are still not going down this route
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.05.14 8:26

@PeterMac wrote:The Red tops have it.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/380792/EXCLUSIVE-Madeleine-McCann-bogus-super-spy-will-crack-case
EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann bogus super-spy 'will crack case'
A BOGUS super-spy hired by Madeleine McCann’s parents could solve the case.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 27th May 2014

MISSING: Police are still investigating the perplexing disappearance of Madeleine McCann

A new TV shock documentary tells how he identified the prime suspect in the mystery.

A year after the then three-year-old’s 2007 disappearance, Irishman Kevin Halligen, 52, signed a £500,000 deal to locate her...Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, were understood to be considering suing Halligen over his Operation Omega probe into their daughter’s disappearance.

But according to a new Channel 5 documentary Halligen’s operatives may end up solving the mystery. They identified as the prime suspect a man seen heading towards the beach in Praia da Luz, Portugal, clutching a sleeping blonde girl around 10pm the night Madeleine vanished.

Halligen’s investigators convinced the Irish family who saw her to help produce an e-fit. That man is now the Metropolitan Police’s No1 suspect.

Detectives believe he may be a serial sex attacker who targeted a string of other Brit girls on the Algarve.

Honestly, fellow forum-members, can you not see with your own eyes how you are being deceived here?

This programme is designed to make us think that 'Smelly bin man' entered G5A between 9.15pm on 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May, and then walked through the streets of Praia da Luz without being seen by anyone except the Smiths.

Look at the above statement: "Halligen's investigators convinced the Irish family who saw her to help produce an e-fit".

How could they? None of them saw his face properly. (And I wonder if the programme is going to tell us about Brian Kennedy going to see the Smiths, and about how he intimidated witnessess into silence?)

Here we are at the endgame - and unbelievably, that rogue Kevin Halligen is being prayed in aid.

As I have said in recent weeks:

Redwood's game is this...

1. Smelly bin man abducted Madeleine soon after 9.15pm (hence Redwood exulting about having widened the window of opportunity for the abduction to take place)   

2. He killed her (this will deal with Eddie & Keela)

3. He carried her through the streets of Praia da Luz, dead, towards the beach

4. He disposed of her body somewhere (the highlighted areas for the search are close to the route claimed to have been taken by Smithman) the helicopters, radar machines and JCBs are all part of painting a picture of 'Smelly bin man'/Smithman having disposed of her body, possibly en route.

THIS, IMO, is how the powers-that-be have decided to explain the Complete Mystery of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.


ETA @ PeterMac    Respectful question, PM, are you any nearer today to thinking that Operation Grange might be an expensive charade?

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Post by sami 27.05.14 8:27

Does the Mets appeal to the press about reporting on this case not extend to the tv ?  Or is it restrictions on reporting on digging only they wanted to impose ?

I fear it is safe to say the content of this programme will be pink or it will be the laying of the foundations for the construction of the very tall tale about to be unveiled by the Met.
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.05.14 8:30

@sami wrote:Does the Mets appeal to the press about reporting on this case not extend to the TV?

The Met's appeal was utterly bogus.

Or is it restrictions on reporting on digging only they wanted to impose ?

I fear it is safe to say the content of this programme will be pink or it will be the laying of the foundations for the construction of the very tall tale about to be unveiled by the Met.

Yes, yes and yes - and yes again.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by worriedmum 27.05.14 8:38

And cadaver odour takes how long to develop? And gets in the hire car how?
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Post by Angelique 27.05.14 8:41

I do believe "we are being conned".

Though we haven't really - just the gullible ones.

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Post by Guest 27.05.14 8:42

@Tony Bennett.

Snipped from your above comment.

How could they? None of them saw his face properly. (And I wonder if the programme is going to tell us about Brian Kennedy going to see the Smiths, and about how he intimidated witnessess into silence?)


If the Smiths fabricated this sighting as you strongly believe then why would Brian Kennedy go over and intimidate them?

Don't get the logic behind that?
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Post by sami 27.05.14 8:46

@worriedmum wrote:And cadaver odour takes how long to develop? And gets in the hire car how?


In the event we are force fed a party line by the Met, they won't tie themselves down with this.  Cadaver scent development is not an exact science, and I believe it truly is not.  There are so many outside influences which contribute to it.  Obviously one scenario is more likely but this will never be proven without doubt.  The car will be explained away by mind boggling scientific data about DNA and dirty nappies and siblings.  Sufficient for joe public.  The dogs will be right in their findings but the very obvious implications incorrect.  According to the Met, that is.
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Post by sami 27.05.14 8:52

Andrew77R wrote:@Tony Bennett.

Snipped from your above comment.

How could they? None of them saw his face properly. (And I wonder if the programme is going to tell us about Brian Kennedy going to see the Smiths, and about how he intimidated witnessess into silence?)


If the Smiths fabricated this sighting as you strongly believe then why would Brian Kennedy go over and intimidate them?

Don't get the logic behind that?


Did Smith state he was intimidated or just visited by BK ?  I remember he complained about the press but don't remember him complaining per se about BK.  

That said, why mention the visit at all if they are in bed together.
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Post by gbwales 27.05.14 9:13

@worriedmum wrote:And cadaver odour takes how long to develop? And gets in the hire car how?

Exactly - Kate's clothes, hire car, cuddlecat, 2 quite separate locations in 5A (plus a cleanup in the dark!?) after developing.

They'll need to do better than that!

No whitewash (IF there is one coming) can stick on the basis of feeble scenarios like that.

Thankfully there's already enough info and people out there to not let this lie.

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Post by AndyB 27.05.14 9:26

@gbwales wrote:Thankfully there's already enough info and people out there to not let this lie.
Like there are with Dunblane & Lockerbie? This is a very niche website that can safely be ignored by the powers that be. The ordinary man in the street maybe sick of the McCanns but I think they'll be happy just to see it all go away and won't look too deeply at what the Met are saying
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.05.14 9:26

Andrew77R wrote:@Tony Bennett.

Snipped from your above comment.

How could they? None of them saw his face properly. (And I wonder if the programme is going to tell us about Brian Kennedy going to see the Smiths, and about how he intimidated witnessess into silence?)

If the Smiths fabricated this sighting as you strongly believe then why would Brian Kennedy go over and intimidate them?

Don't get the logic behind that?
It may help to examine the sequence of events, which I've elaborated on elsewhere.

1. Martin Smith is friends with Robert Murat and admitted to having known him for about 2 years

2. Martin Smith was initially evasive about how well he knew Robert Murat

3. There are major question marks about Martin Smith's businesses, notably Golf Net Limited. He lied by claiming to have four famous internationally-known businessmen on his so-caled Board of Directors
     
4. It is clear that the Smiths dined at a restaurant earlier on 3 May

5. However, the bar till receipts from Kelly's Bar do not substantiate that they were there that evening

6. If they saw anyone at all that evening, none of them - despite the world-wide coverage of Madeleine's disappearance - said anything about it to anyone until 13 days later - and then only after their friend Robert Murat was made a suspect

7. The claim that on 16 May Peter Smith 'phoned his father (Martin) and said: 'Dad, am I dreaming, or did we see someone carrying a child' on 3 May' wholly lacks credibility

8. When Martin, Peter and Aofie Smith made statements to the Irish gardai and the PJ, their description of the man they saw, and the child, and what they were wearing etc. matched the description given by Jane Tanner to the police in no fewer than EIGHTEEN separate respects - that could only realistically have come about if the Smiths had had access to that description

9. None of the Smiths saw the man's face sufficient to identify him, yet it is claimed by Redwood that they were able to produce an e-fit (ot two) of his face. The two e-fits are of two different people 

10. Despite allegedly seeing Smithman in the dark, with poor street lighting, only for a second or two, and his face hidden, the only thing Martin Smith felt able to say about the man was 'it definitely wasn't Murat - I know him'

11. When Martin Smith saw Gerry on TV carrying a child on 9 September 2007, he did NOT report his beliefs about the sighting straightaway; he sat on it for 4 days       

12. He then claimed to be '60% to 80% certain' that the man he saw 4 months previously was Gerry McCann, based solely on the way
he was carrying his child on his left shoulder. That is utterly ludicrous. That is the way nearly all adults carry tired or asleep young children

13. He was clearly 'got at' in some way by Brian Kennedy's bunch of dodgy investigators, probably in the spring of 2008. Brian Kennedy contacted him, may be even visited him. It looks like Henri Exton also went to see him. Maybe Halligen as well, after all, Halligen is a Dublin-born Irishman. Dublin is very close to Dundalk, where the Smith family live

14. Martin Smith has TWICE been interviewed by Grange, once in 2012, once in 2013. This tells us that Martin Smith has been, since early on, an integral part of the thinking of DCI Redwood and those above him (like the discredited DSupt Hamish Campbell) 

15. Smithman was placed centre stage in the BBC CrimeWatch McCann Special on 14 October 2013

16. Smithman remains central to the Halligen programme to be shown on 4 June

17. There is not a shred of actual evidence that 'Smithman' had anything to do with Madeleine's reported disappearance   

18. There are numerous reasons for thinking that 'Smithman' is fabricated by the Smiths.

Finally:  "If the Smiths fabricated this sighting as you strongly believe then why would Brian Kennedy go over and intimidate them?"

ANSWER: I am not sure whether Kennedy just spoke to Smith or went over to see him. Smith won't say. I have not said that Kennedy 'intimidated' him. It is clear that Kennedy's men went to see him. Isn't it obvious why? - because Smith had said he thought it was Gerry McCann. I think it is possible that Kennedy on behalf of the McCann Team wanted to 'turn' Smith from saying it was Gerry to saying it was someone else. What with the e-fits shown by Redwood on CrimeWatch, and what with Redwood having had two long interviews with him (in Dundalk, or in Belgravia Police Station), it looks like they succeeded.

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Post by canada12 27.05.14 10:14

What would Martin Smith's motivation be for deciding to announce that the man he had seen was Gerry McCann? I understand him trying to protect his friend Robert Murat (if indeed he was Murat's friend) by stating that it definitely wasn't Murat. But why go to all the trouble of saying that it was Gerry McCann? Why not just stay silent and not say anything at all?
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Post by Markus 2 27.05.14 10:14

This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims
 
 
I think this is going to be played to help benefit the McCann's and rubbish his side of the story. Remember these photographers' and filmmakers', channel four and five and Wilkins one of them. They know the public are concerned about this e-fit so the only way is rubbish this guy. Redwood getting this one bit of  incriminating  evidence on the Mcanns out of the way .imo
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Post by PeterMac 27.05.14 10:16

@Tony Bennett wrote:SNIP
Redwood's game is this...

1. Smelly bin man abducted Madeleine soon after 9.15pm (hence Redwood exulting about having widened the window of opportunity for the abduction to take place)   
But Grange have the statements of the rest of the Tapas7 showing them passing and re-passing at regular intervals through the car park, visiting 5A (allegedly) and generally moving around without reporting anyone, any open shutters, any open windows, any car, any smell.  Those statements are on file, and he cannot ignore them

2. He killed her (this will deal with Eddie & Keela)
But he then has to do this at 9:15, and then hang around in 5A for at least 45 minutes for the cadaverine to develop, before "smearing her around"  (SORRY - that is a horrible image, but one which McCann supporters might want us to believe in their ludicrous attempt to persuade people that the dogs are 'notoriously unreliable')

3. He carried her through the streets of Praia da Luz, dead, towards the beach
Towards the rocks, in fact, - flat slabs of limestone with upturned fishing boats.

4. He disposed of her body somewhere (the highlighted areas for the search are close to the route claimed to have been taken by Smithman) the helicopters, radar machines and JCBs are all part of painting a picture of 'Smelly bin man'/Smithman having disposed of her body, possibly en route.
But to do this he has to turn back from Smithman sighting and then dig a hole in bedrock limestone without being seen by anyone - but then again no one else saw him !

THIS, IMO, is how the powers-that-be have decided to explain the Complete Mystery of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
ETA @ PeterMac    Respectful question, PM, are you any nearer today to thinking that Operation Grange might be an expensive charade?

I really don't think Grange is going to get away with that ! Because I don't think we shall let them. FOI requests would undoubtedly follow, along with letters to the Home Office, Commissioner of the Met et al.Teresa May is not in a good mood vis-a-vis the Police at the moment, having watched a close colleague be assassinated by them.

Many of us, over the years, have sent them detailed analyses of parts of the evidence, detailed deconstructions of the Tapas7 statements, blindingly obvious analyses of the lies in the McCanns' own statements.
I believe others have sent forensic analyses of the phone data, and of the "Fund" accounts.
And it may be that lots of others have done similar things with videos, and so on, but have not told anyone.

I wonder how long that list actually is.
Perhaps we should start a list.  
No comments, and certainly no details of what was included in the communication - in case We know Who is watching !
Just a date and the title, or a broad description of what was being addressed.

What do we think ?
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Post by Guest 27.05.14 10:19

Tony: just one point about Martin Smith whose statements I admit I can't come to a conclusion about.

Nothing to do with those - but I agree would affect his credibility - have the four international businessmen whom he named as directors of one of his companies been contacted and confirmed that this is not true?
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Post by PeterMac 27.05.14 10:19

@Markus 2 wrote:This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims
 
I think this is going to be played to help benefit the McCann's and rubbish his side of the story. Remember these photographers' and filmmakers', channel four and five and Wilkins one of them. They know the public are concerned about this e-fit so the only way is rubbish this guy. Redwood getting this one bit of  incriminating  evidence on the Mcanns out of the way .imo

So is Redwood just about to get rid of Smithman as well ?
Which leaves - well what ?
Last person to see Madeleine alive
Dogs
Window of opportunity (by which I mean the whole of the afternoon)
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Post by canada12 27.05.14 10:27

@PeterMac wrote:
@Markus 2 wrote:This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims
 
I think this is going to be played to help benefit the McCann's and rubbish his side of the story. Remember these photographers' and filmmakers', channel four and five and Wilkins one of them. They know the public are concerned about this e-fit so the only way is rubbish this guy. Redwood getting this one bit of  incriminating  evidence on the Mcanns out of the way .imo

So is Redwood just about to get rid of Smithman as well ?
Which leaves - well what ?
Last person to see Madeleine alive
Dogs
Window of opportunity (by which I mean the whole of the afternoon)
Fund
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I agree PM. If Smithman is rubbished, then that has the same effect as eliminating Tannerman. By a bit of convoluted thinking, we've been attaching all sorts of significance to Smithman being either a decoy or the real thing, but in both cases, the man carrying the child has been promoted as either Gerry or someone connected to Gerry. By this logic, we've been forcing ourselves to adhere to a specific timeline and more importantly, one night.

If we eliminate Smithman, then we're left with a wide open window (sorry!) of opportunities and dates and times. Get rid of Smithman, and we can start to consider when Madeleine actually died, and when she was actually removed from 5A.
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Post by Guest 27.05.14 10:29

@Markus 2 wrote:This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims
 
 
I think this is going to be played to help benefit the McCann's and rubbish his side of the story. Remember these photographers' and filmmakers', channel four and five and Wilkins one of them. They know the public are concerned about this e-fit so the only way is rubbish this guy. Redwood getting this one bit of  incriminating  evidence on the Mcanns out of the way .imo

Although we will have to wait and see what horrors this program contains, I actually thought the background of those involved was moderately encouraging.
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Post by aiyoyo 27.05.14 10:37

I can't help thinking it will be slanted in McCanns favour, as the Producer won't risk incurring the wrath of McCanns.

The fund may not be in healthy position but a letter from CR won't break it.
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