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Post by sharonl on 20.05.14 23:58

It seems to me that poor Madeleine is just an advertising tool, not just for a failing charity but also for this Outdoor Media business, not to mention the fact that she has kept the press in stories for the past 7 years

And Gerry said that nothing of value was taken - he must be joking. Madeleine's disappearance has contributed immensely to these three organisations.  

I am shocked at Coral Jones' decision to pair up with the likes of Kate McCann, after all her child was cruelly taken from her. I just hope that she sees the light and makes sure that April is not treated with the same contempt as Madeleine has been for 7 years

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Re: Kate McCann launches New Campaign

Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.14 0:03

@russiandoll wrote:You believe that Tony is right, Helenmeg, he certainly is not correct about what is on the Met site re Grange


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I concede the specific point, RD, namely that the Met Police website does NOT currently give the number of the McCanns' 'investigation hotline'.

But the wider point remains that the Met are perfectly happy for the McCanns and the media to promote their own hotline.

Examples of the media promoting the 0845 838 4699 investigation hotline are many, e.g.

The Sun, during the first year of Grange:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3980376/Maddie-McCann-cops-jet-to-Barcelona.html

Or, bang up-to-date, Lorraine Kelly and ITV promoted ONLY the McCanns' number recently, 0845 838 4699: 

http://www.itv.com/lorraine/hot-topics/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-fresh-leads

Meanwhile the McCanns' sites, including their 'FindMadeleine.com' website and their Facebook page continue to promote the 0845 838 4699 number almost exclusively.

The Met may not have that number of their website, but quite clearly they have no objection whatsoever (just as Leicestershire Police also had no objection) to the McCanns and the media promoting the Mccanns' own personal hotline - 0845 838 4699, as it's always been.

They couldn't care less if genuine informants go first to the McCanns, or first to the police.

In effect, then, it's a JOINT McCann-Met investigation.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.14 0:09

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So now you are castigating Coral Jones and placing her in the same category as the McCanns Tony? That is a low blow, a very low blow.
No.

You are over-exaggerating, and for a reason.

Mark well what I said above: "In the case of Paul and Coral Jones and their daughter April, of course Mark Bridger is responsible for his evil act, triggered by watching a video of a violent sexual act towards a young child.And of course, we were told that she was 'playing outside with a friend', which under many circumstances is quite acceptable".

I was suggesting that this is a case where lessons could be learnt.

I suggest at least two:

1. Take sweeping world-wide powers to remove all child sexual abuse images from the internet and from TV and videos etc. Bridger might not have killed April if he had not seen that video that afternoon

and

2. Five-year-old disabled children should not be left unsupervised playing out in the dark 200 yards away.

Do you in any way disagree with lesson No. (2) above?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.05.14 1:12

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Could you start a SERIOUS 'thread/topic' where we could discuss, SERIOUSLY, what exactly we would consider 'child abuse/abuse'?

I think 'seeing' images of 'abused' little Syrian kiddies, with their appalling 'injuries' inflicted upon them by their fanatical 'smiling' dictator, pretty horrific.

But still broadcast on mainstream TV 'news' daily.

Boko Harum, Taliban, AQ, commit 'abuse' to people, children, adults, women, daily.

But what would say if we did NOT 'see' those 'abusive' images?

"well THAT didn't happen, it wasn't on the TV, DVD, or internet'

Child 'abuse' can be anywhere in the world.

Perhaps you meant 'sexual' child abuse.

Didn't stop the grooming 'gangs' in Rochdale, Oxford, in the 'house down the street', did it?

Didn't stop Savile, Smith, Hall 'abusing children'

I have not, nor want to, 'see' any DVD's with those three paedos on!

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 21.05.14 1:27

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1. Take sweeping world-wide powers to remove all child sexual abuse images from the internet and from TV and videos etc. Bridger might not have killed April if he had not seen that video that afternoon

Sounds good, but would require a global authority with powers to prosecute in every country of the world. Ain't gonna happen.

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Post by 1soapy on 21.05.14 1:36

Hope I haven't missed a point here btw.

I think your heart and motives are in the right place, Tony, but I’d imagine there would be a lot of impracticalities involved in No. 1. In both defining what is wrong (e.g. films? Film's implying it? Detailed reports of it? The comparatively huge proportion of the world where the age of consent does not comply to the one we are used to (the one we have altered in very recent times and therefore is clearly not a universal or objective value or figure) and regarding banning (or not) a lot of other things (by way of being fair) which would be pounced upon by supporters or abolitionists of entirely other matters. Insert/choose your preferred ethical issue here.

Regarding No. 2. Disagree, ‘in any way’? I think you’d get quite a few reasons to disagree here, primarily based on the range of types of disability and some might argue that you should have used, simply, ‘child’ in place of disabled child. In India for example, (as I suspect you know) disability in Hinduism is considered a result of a past, less than ideal life. Not sure on how they determine whether the person is making progress or degenerating in sin though. Anyway, in practice, healthy babies and young children there often have black marks made of ink or other material smudged or placed on their faces to suggest imperfection and which prevents kidnappers wanting to take them. Hope I am not felt to be too picky here (your reference to, ‘in any way’), but if I am, please feel free to ignore as I get your drift and sympathize with the moral position which I think is implied.

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Post by 1soapy on 21.05.14 1:40

Oh, the point of my remarks on No. 2 was to say that in many cases, depending on the type of disability, it could be more dangerous to leave a healthy child out rather than a disabled one.

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Re: Kate McCann launches New Campaign

Post by lj on 21.05.14 2:02

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@Tony Bennett wrote:
The National Crime Agency - a national policing body above the Metropolitan Police, and which incorporates the former Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency (CEOP) - has joined with the mother of murdered April Jones and mother of abducted Madeleine McCann in a nationwide, high profile campaign.

To promote an enhanced Child Rescue Alert system.

With the respected Missing People charity. 

With a target of one million signatures.

To all those who still think that Operation Grange will end up with any conclusion other than: 'Madeleine was taken by a wicked abductor'...

Do you still think so?

Agree, and the big bad abductor will have murdered her and buried her but they won't be able to find the body ...the end!  ( why else are we suddenly hearing 'maddie may not be alive. murder. digging?)

But as mentioned many times on this forum, what happens if someone comes forward in the future and confesses everything or something.  SY or the PJ or whoever is going to have more than a lot of egg on their faces.
They'll still manage to Scramble it into something the public will swallow. The chief will only have to say: 'This couple have suffered for their mistake. Omeletting them go. It's not that they have been treated with any favouritism, we have not Coddled them in any way. We are compassionate people. Remember, we are a police service - not a force. In that respect no one can accuse us of being Hard-boiled. It's just that we have looked at two options and decided on Sunny-side up. That is not to say we won't Crack this in the future. We are Laying it on file. The whole case has been like walking on Egg Shells what with data we wanted from the PJ not easily Poached. We will keep an Albumen of all the dodgy photographs, of course.

Let me finish by saying Double yokers are rare in the criminal world, but where they arise they will be Beaten in the end. We will  never accept the Yoke has been entirely on us.

Thank you for allowing us to Whisk you into a froth of anticipation only to be let down by some very Bad Eggs.

Bon Appetit. Mind how you go."


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Post by lj on 21.05.14 6:03

Ladyinred wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
I will spell it out in more detail.

The script for the official British establishment narrative about Madeleine's disappearance was written on Day One - and has never changed.

Madeleine was abducted by an evil abductor.

So, TB, are we all here wasting our time?
A three-year-old British girl has gone missing in what by any measure are extraordinary circumstances.

That is wholly unacceptable, and for the sake of Madeleine's memory, for the sake of the truth, and for the sake of all those who have contributed to the Find Madeleine Fund, we want to know what really happened.

Time spent here by those genuinely seeking the truth and contributing positivley in one way or another to doing so can never be said to be 'wasting their time'; IMO the truth about anything is a worthwhile pursuit, be it how the universe was formed, or how a little girl went missing.

What I am saying is that the news today that the National Crime Agency, Missing People and those behind Child Rescue Alert are all willing to put Madeleine's mother at the very forefront of this child safety/rescue campaign is a signal (if one were needed) that we can only expect DCI Redwood and co to return a verdict of 'Madeleine was abducted by an evil abductor'.

Whenever they have finished spending taxpayers' money to say so
What I am saying is that the news today that the National Crime Agency, Missing People and those behind Child Rescue Alert are all willing to put Madeleine's mother at the very forefront of this child safety/rescue campaign is a signal (if one were needed) that we can only expect DCI Redwood and co to return a verdict of 'Madeleine was abducted by an evil abductor'.

Quite depressing, this news.

I have been depressed about this case for a long time now. Sadly I see not one reason to have hope.

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Post by canada12 on 21.05.14 7:43

Not for one moment suggesting this is the case here, with the Missing Persons charity, but one of the very well-known aims of getting people to sign up to a list of subscribers is so that information about contributing money can easily be distributed to those people. One of the things I would be watchful for, if I were to add my phone number or email address to any list, especially a charity, would be how many messages I would receive, by text or email, promoting the charity and asking for a donation.

One of the other very well-known results of compiling a large list of subscribers is that list of subscribers can be "sold on" to other parties, sometimes many times, sometimes to completely unrelated companies or entities, which are happy to add them to their ever-widening lists of "contacts" to send spam to.

As I said, not for one moment suggesting this is the case here. And I don't know the rules in the UK about the buying and selling of distribution lists. But these are two of the uses for distribution lists here in Canada, and selling those lists isn't against the law.

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Post by aquila on 21.05.14 8:09

Morning Canada,

Here is a link for the registration form.

www.childrescuealert.org.uk/register

I don't see any terms & conditions or mention of data protection etc.

At the bottom of the registration form is a drop down menu for you to say where you heard of the Child Rescue Alert.

At the very bottom is the text:

"We will send Child Rescue Alerts to you by text and email if you are registered in the relevant area. We only expect 4 to 6 Child Rescue Alerts to be issued each year and not all of these will be nationwide."
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Post by bodiddly on 21.05.14 8:15

I just have to say that IMO a five year old should not be playing outside on her own without adult supervision, full stop.
No matter how healthy they may or may not be.
We do not live in a world where we can leave our jewellery out in the street. So why oh why oh why leave your most valuable possession out in the street. A child is priceless. It is our duty to keep them safe. We owe them that!
Obviously there comes a time when we need to let them run free.
Not at three. Not at five.

I am not blaming Mrs Jones at all. MB is to blame. However I am agreeing with the point I believe Tony is trying to get across.
There are monsters out there. I know it, you know it, they know it.

God help those little ones when the monster is in their family though!


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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 8:19

When April Jones went missing a nation-wide child rescue alert went into action for the first time.  Sadly, April was not found alive but Bridger, her killer, was traced quickly.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/02/april-jones-child-rescue-alert

It would be interesting to read the police's research and evaluation of this new scheme when/if it is published.

Incidentally, Bridger was known to the family.  April's father's sister had a relationship with him and they had two children together.
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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 8:24

@Tony Bennett wrote:
1. Take sweeping world-wide powers to remove all child sexual abuse images from the internet and from TV and videos etc. Bridger might not have killed April if he had not seen that video that afternoon


Funnily enough, the nearest thing to child pornography I have ever personally seen is scantily clad six year olds gyrating like lap dancers on Big Fat Gypsy Weddings. As the Americans might say, go figure!
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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 8:37

Just playing catch up here (again).

So is it only the 'Herald Scotland' paper that has reported this new campaign news yesterday? Has it come from anywhere else at all?

Is the Herald Scotland one of the main newspapers in Scotland and is it a credible one? 

Earlier on yesterday we have the Times article using the word 'Murder' which gets us lot even more optimistic and team McCannn in a bit of a panic, judging by the shills response on twitter. 

Then later on the same day we have this new campaign news that distracts people from the 'murder' quote earlier, puts the McCanns (Kate) in a positive light again. Gets all us lot pessimistic again etc etc.

A very convenient coincidence don't you think?

Not the first time it's happened. Trying to instantly whoosh a negative and replace it with a positive...
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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.14 8:44

Andrew77R wrote:Just playing catch up here (again).

So is it only the 'Herald Scotland' paper that has reported this new campaign news yesterday? Has it come from anywhere else at all?
Yes.

As I posted last night, WalesOnline has posted a big article on the news, including a prominent pic of Kate McCann and Coral Jones side by side:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coral-jones-kate-mccann-launch-7148223

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.14 8:46

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
1. Take sweeping world-wide powers to remove all child sexual abuse images from the internet and from TV and videos etc. Bridger might not have killed April if he had not seen that video that afternoon

Sounds good, but would require a global authority with powers to prosecute in every country of the world.  Ain't gonna happen.
People said much the same thing about abolishing slavery.

Then William Wilberforce came along...

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2017 (February) Dr Kate McCannthrust into a global bidding war…news giants battle to sign her up for the 10th anniversary…offered huge bids…bombarded with offers…30 sitting on the table…getting new bids every other day…one told Kate and Gerry: ‘Name your price!’
                        

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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 8:49

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Just playing catch up here (again).

So is it only the 'Herald Scotland' paper that has reported this new campaign news yesterday? Has it come from anywhere else at all?
Yes.

As I posted last night, WalesOnline has posted a big article on the news, including a prominent pic of Kate McCann and Coral Jones side by side:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coral-jones-kate-mccann-launch-7148223
Any particular reason why none of the English papers are running with it...? Or are they?

Would like to know when that picture of Kate and April Jone's mother was taken?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.05.14 8:53

@jeanmonroe wrote:TonyB:

Could you start a SERIOUS 'thread/topic' where we could discuss, SERIOUSLY, what exactly we would consider 'child abuse/abuse'?

Done. It's here:  https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9627-what-exactly-do-we-mean-by-child-abuse#248266

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 21.05.14 9:21

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
1. Take sweeping world-wide powers to remove all child sexual abuse images from the internet and from TV and videos etc. Bridger might not have killed April if he had not seen that video that afternoon

Sounds good, but would require a global authority with powers to prosecute in every country of the world.  Ain't gonna happen.
People said much the same thing about abolishing slavery.

Then William Wilberforce came along...

There is no parallel between slavery and content on the internet. A better parallel would be illegal narcotics. Many countries have strict laws regarding drugs, but they are still here, and no-one can get rid of them.

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Post by Tangled Web on 21.05.14 9:27

@bodiddly wrote:I just have to say that IMO a five year old should not be playing outside on her own without adult supervision, full stop.
No matter how healthy they may or may not be.
We do not live in a world where we can leave our jewellery out in the street. So why oh why oh why leave your most valuable possession out in the street. A child is priceless. It is our duty to keep them safe. We owe them that!
Obviously there comes a time when we need to let them run free.
Not at three. Not at five.

I am not blaming Mrs Jones at all. MB is to blame. However I am agreeing with the point I believe Tony is trying to get across.
There are monsters out there. I know it, you know it, they know it.

God help those  little ones when the monster is in their family though!


I completely agree. Well put.

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Post by canada12 on 21.05.14 9:29

@aquila wrote:Morning Canada,

Here is a link for the registration form.

www.childrescuealert.org.uk/register

I don't see any terms & conditions or mention of data protection etc.

At the bottom of the registration form is a drop down menu for you to say where you heard of the Child Rescue Alert.

At the very bottom is the text:

"We will send Child Rescue Alerts to you by text and email if you are registered in the relevant area. We only expect 4 to 6 Child Rescue Alerts to be issued each year and not all of these will be nationwide."

Interesting. I know I've seen terms and conditions and declarations of intent on other websites, where they state up front that they will not use your contact information for anything other than the stated purpose, and they will not share your information with any other agencies or entities. I think this Charity might be more transparent if it were to include similar wording on its website, confirming their intent. They state they will send Child Rescue Alerts to you 4 to 6 times a year. They don't state what else they might send you.

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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 9:29

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

There is no parallel between slavery and content on the internet.  A better parallel would be illegal narcotics.  Many countries have strict laws regarding drugs, but they are still here, and no-one can get rid of them.

Too many people have a financial interest in either both the supply and the demand side, or have a vested interest in the status quo remaining to actually want the problem to be eradicated. The same goes for most of society's ills.

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Post by russiandoll on 21.05.14 9:32

Tony,
         Would like to address 2 issues raised by you, do not want to copy 2 posts of yours. You will know what I refer to,


1. Re the McCann hotline number NOT being on the Met site, you went on to reaffirm your point by writing about the OFM number and the media promotion of it.  It still does not explain why you made a sarcastic ref to words on the Met site.... there is not and has never been afaik any note made by Grange of the hotline number nor any information about the OFM campaign site pointing Met readers to it.


2.. Re April Jones, I agree with kevmack that you struck a low blow. The child came to harm because of an error of judgment coinciding with Bridger's mental and sexual state.
 I am not sure if what you claim is fact

 dark, 200 yards away, unsupervised. If it was dusk, not dark, if April was closer to home, if she was with older children [ e.g. 10 year olds], then maybe the error of judgment was not so bad. 
 
 it was light enough for children to describe the vehicle iirc when she was snatched


 Her parents have enough to cope with without having to bear the guilt of what if ?  If Bridger had seen this child on another occasion when  he was in the same state, April there in daylight playing in the street, considering he knew her and her family and had access to her.... do you not think that she would have been snatched?

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Post by Guest on 21.05.14 9:39

Have a look at the Wales Online facebookpage. The comments are quite outspoken ...
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