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The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by wicksy on 20.05.14 11:05

Wow! Just wow!

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by Justformaddie on 20.05.14 11:05

Has something been found? Why would they use that word cause surely they know all about this case? IMOIMO

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by aquila on 20.05.14 11:05

The very real acid test will be no retraction.
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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by Woofer on 20.05.14 11:15

@aquila wrote:
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@admin wrote:Jimmy Saville £2.7 million to date.

Madeleine McCann £5.35 million to date.
The actual cost of the Madeleine McCann investigation so far, according to recent official statements from Scotland Yard, must now be somewhere between £7 million and £8 million.

It seems a little odd that far less has been spent on the Operation Yewtree case, which has involved many perpetrators and many victims, than there has been spent on Maddie's 'disappearance'.
Operation Yewtree also has less staff. Remarkable.

This makes me optimistic cos if Grange have got more staff and more money to play with than Yewtree, then it says to me that Grange`s enquiry is far reaching - tentacles all over the place.
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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 20.05.14 11:25

@Justformaddie wrote:Has something been found? Why would they use that word cause surely they know all about this case? IMOIMO

The same word was used in an article a few months ago then quickly retracted, but I can't remember which newspaper it was in.

Why use the word 'murder', indeed.  It's not an easy to mistake.  Surely every newspaper knows to be extremely careful around the McCann story.  It doesn't lead to me suspect that some evidence has been found, but it does increase my certainty that this case isn't a white-wash and that something will break soon.

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by bristow on 20.05.14 11:27

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:Has something been found? Why would they use that word cause surely they know all about this case? IMOIMO

The same word was used in an article a few months ago then quickly retracted, but I can't remember which newspaper it was in.

Why use the word 'murder', indeed.  It's not an easy to mistake.  Surely every newspaper knows to be extremely careful around the McCann story.  It doesn't lead to me suspect that some evidence has been found, but it does increase my certainty that this case isn't a white-wash and that something will break soon.
I think Brunty used it either in a tweet or a report. it was whooshed pretty damn quickly!

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by frost on 20.05.14 11:28

great stuff I imagine the telephone exchange serving the Rothley area will have gone into meltdown oooh to be a fly on the wall right now  winkwink

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by aquila on 20.05.14 11:28

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:Has something been found? Why would they use that word cause surely they know all about this case? IMOIMO

The same word was used in an article a few months ago then quickly retracted, but I can't remember which newspaper it was in.

Why use the word 'murder', indeed.  It's not an easy to mistake.  Surely every newspaper knows to be extremely careful around the McCann story.  It doesn't lead to me suspect that some evidence has been found, but it does increase my certainty that this case isn't a white-wash and that something will break soon.
If there's no retraction from The Times, the gloves are off.
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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by HelenMeg on 20.05.14 11:31

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:Has something been found? Why would they use that word cause surely they know all about this case? IMOIMO

The same word was used in an article a few months ago then quickly retracted, but I can't remember which newspaper it was in.

Why use the word 'murder', indeed.  It's not an easy to mistake.  Surely every newspaper knows to be extremely careful around the McCann story.  It doesn't lead to me suspect that some evidence has been found, but it does increase my certainty that this case isn't a white-wash and that something will break soon.
 

But I wonder why murder and not death?. Murder is specific and doesn't account for accidental death .Why are they using that word.  Most of our theories have centred on accidental death. I wonder if the Times use of this word is specifically intended to describe her death as murder or was used in a vague manner...
If it was murder then either the MC CANNS murdered her or someone else is supposed to have... I almost wish they'd used the word death.

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by HelenMeg on 20.05.14 11:33

On a positive side it almost certainly smashes 'the fund'.

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 20.05.14 11:33

@aquila wrote:
If there's no retraction from The Times, the gloves are off.

I just wonder whether the reason it hasn't been retracted yet is that it was behind a pay-wall and went unnoticed.

It will be noticed now, mainly because of this thread.

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by bristow on 20.05.14 11:41

Hopefully using that word really does mean something.  
I'm hoping it's not just slovenly reporting from someone who doesn't really have too much interest in the case.

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by Guest on 20.05.14 11:43

@Ribisl wrote:
@aquila wrote:
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@Tony Bennett wrote:
@admin wrote:Jimmy Saville £2.7 million to date.

Madeleine McCann £5.35 million to date.
The actual cost of the Madeleine McCann investigation so far, according to recent official statements from Scotland Yard, must now be somewhere between £7 million and £8 million.

It seems a little odd that far less has been spent on the Operation Yewtree case, which has involved many perpetrators and many victims, than there has been spent on Maddie's 'disappearance'.
Operation Yewtree also has less staff. Remarkable.
Interesting that it's mentioned in an article dealing with historical child sex abuse.

Forgot to insert the link. Here it is http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4093651.ece

Thanks Ribisl  roses

Yes it is very interesting that the MBM case is firmly placed in the context of historic child abuse.

And it is sandwiched between North Wales and Savile...hmmm

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Post by Guest on 20.05.14 11:44

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aquila wrote:
If there's no retraction from The Times, the gloves are off.

I just wonder whether the reason it hasn't been retracted yet is that it was behind a pay-wall and went unnoticed.

It will be noticed now, mainly because of this thread.

And because the link to the article has been posted on this thread and people have clicked on the link, then The Times will also now be aware of this thread and will either a) whoosh the article because C-R have been on their case or b) change the article as they realise the 'M' word is a mistake or c) leave it as it is because they stand by the word 'murder'.

Watch this space.
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Post by Cristobell on 20.05.14 11:48

@bristow wrote:Hopefully using that word really does mean something.  
I'm hoping it's not just slovenly reporting from someone who doesn't really have too much interest in the case.
I suppose that is a possibility, but The Times have been challenged by the McCanns before and had to apologise for the wording of their report on the withheld e-fits.  They must also be aware of the twitter storm caused by Martin Brunt's use of the word 'murder', so its unlikely the word was used carelessly.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 20.05.14 11:49

@admin wrote:
And because the link to the article has been posted on this thread and people have clicked on the link, then The Times will also now be aware of this thread and will either a) whoosh the article because C-R have been on their case or b) change the article as they realise the 'M' word is a mistake or c) leave it as it is because they stand by the word 'murder'.

Watch this space.

Exactly right admin, interesting times ahead I feel.

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Post by Guest on 20.05.14 12:03

@Cristobell wrote:
@bristow wrote:Hopefully using that word really does mean something.  
I'm hoping it's not just slovenly reporting from someone who doesn't really have too much interest in the case.
I suppose that is a possibility, but The Times have been challenged by the McCanns before and had to apologise for the wording of their report on the withheld e-fits.  They must also be aware of the twitter storm caused by Martin Brunt's use of the word 'murder', so its unlikely the word was used carelessly.

Murder is a very strong word to use in this case.

To go from "vanished" and "may not have been alive" to "murder" is quite a leap.

I suspect that for Martin Brunt and The Times to use the unambiguous and emotive word murder rather than death, the police already know what happened on that fateful holiday and the press are primed and ready.

As WLBTS said, interesting times ahead.

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Post by macdonut on 20.05.14 12:11

Poe wrote:
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@bristow wrote:Hopefully using that word really does mean something.  
I'm hoping it's not just slovenly reporting from someone who doesn't really have too much interest in the case.
I suppose that is a possibility, but The Times have been challenged by the McCanns before and had to apologise for the wording of their report on the withheld e-fits.  They must also be aware of the twitter storm caused by Martin Brunt's use of the word 'murder', so its unlikely the word was used carelessly.

Murder is a very strong word to use in this case.

To go from "vanished" and "may not have been alive" to "murder" is quite a leap.

I suspect that for Martin Brunt and The Times to use the unambiguous and emotive word murder rather than death, the police already know what happened on that fateful holiday and the press are primed and ready.

As WLBTS said, interesting times ahead.


How I would love that to be true.  Still think it's more likely to be whooshed with a grovelling apology.

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Post by Justformaddie on 20.05.14 12:13

 thumbsup Fingers crossed. 

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Re: The Times article 19 May 2014 mentions 'her murder'

Post by endgame on 20.05.14 12:13

Whilst not wishing to dampen the anticipation that this reference has created, I'm afraid that you always have to allow for such a reference being the result of sloppy journalism from someone who has no real knowledge of what they are writing about. It is rarely the case that journalists spend days poring over the precise inferences of words as we know from the grotesque misrepresentations that appear daily on this case. The idea that this has been deliberately planted as part of some master plan of revelation is as yet still on shaky ground.
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Post by Guest on 20.05.14 12:16

Shocked to see that word used.

There is no way it is a result of sloppy journalism.

I am amazed.
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Post by HelenMeg on 20.05.14 12:18

@endgame wrote:Whilst not wishing to dampen the anticipation that this reference has created, I'm afraid that you always have to allow for such a reference being the result of sloppy journalism from someone who has no real knowledge of what they are writing about. It is rarely the case that journalists spend days poring over the precise inferences of words as we know from the grotesque misrepresentations that appear daily on this case. The idea that this has been deliberately planted as part of some master plan of revelation is as yet still on shaky ground.
I tend to think it may be sloppy journalism in this case. Someone has added 2 + 2 to make 5.
Still it is encouraging that they didn't write down 'abduction'.  A few months ago and we'd have been happy that they had moved on from abduction  to disappearance..

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Post by Tony Bennett on 20.05.14 12:19

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And because the link to the article has been posted on this thread and people have clicked on the link, then The Times will also now be aware of this thread and will either a) whoosh the article because C-R have been on their case or b) change the article as they realise the 'M' word is a mistake or c) leave it as it is because they stand by the word 'murder'.

Watch this space.
But has anyone considered this possibility?

Simply that Rupert Murdoch and his top journalists have been told that within the next few months, DCI Redwood and his team will announce the closure of their investigation, saying they have sufficient evidence that an abductor (known or unknown) - probably a paedophile - took Madeleine sometime between 9.15pm and 10.00pm on 3 May 2007, and that the abductor murdered her?

There is nothing at all inconsistent between that scenario and the Times report yesterday

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Post by bobbin on 20.05.14 12:22

@endgame wrote:Whilst not wishing to dampen the anticipation that this reference has created, I'm afraid that you always have to allow for such a reference being the result of sloppy journalism from someone who has no real knowledge of what they are writing about. It is rarely the case that journalists spend days poring over the precise inferences of words as we know from the grotesque misrepresentations that appear daily on this case. The idea that this has been deliberately planted as part of some master plan of revelation is as yet still on shaky ground.

Could be sloppy journalism....... based on a subliminal yet suppressed belief system resulting in a 'Freudian slip'.

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Post by Guest on 20.05.14 12:24

@Tony Bennett wrote:
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And because the link to the article has been posted on this thread and people have clicked on the link, then The Times will also now be aware of this thread and will either a) whoosh the article because C-R have been on their case or b) change the article as they realise the 'M' word is a mistake or c) leave it as it is because they stand by the word 'murder'.

Watch this space.
But has anyone considered this possibility?

Simply that Rupert Murdoch and his top journalists have been told that within the next few months, DCI Redwood and his team will announce the closure of their investigation, saying they have sufficient evidence that an abductor (known or unknown) - probably a paedophile - took Madeleine sometime between 9.15pm and 10.00pm on 3 May 2007, and that the abductor murdered her?

There is nothing at all inconsistent between that scenario and the Times report yesterday

What evidence Tony, they have no evidence.
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