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Post by Guest on Mon May 12 2014, 18:27

Wahrheit wrote:This is how I hear the remark.

'was it when they were bathing, getting them, you know, first putting them down'
Why would Madeleine expect mummy and daddy to come when she or Sean cried.
Maybe because they did actually have a listening monitor?
And she was used to them coming when one or other cried.
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Post by Guest on Mon May 12 2014, 18:31

Cristobell wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Yes very interesting indeed.

OG should of got Harrison back out on the Helicopter.

What ever happened to the likes of Harrison and Grimes as well.

Did they get demoted to do night security or something in the middle of nowhere.

Or did they get a Mcsuperinjunction and told to keep schtum about there own theories on the work they did.

Or did the powers to be just have them bumped off.
He does take a strange turn towards the end of his statement, where he says no inference can be drawn from the dogs' alerts, which seems to completely contradict everything that preceded it!

There is no mention of searching 'the hill' in his report, and indeed he ends with there could of course be other areas they haven't searched, so it was left open ended.  Given that they carried out his recommendations in 2007, then this current activity is checking NEW areas.
Yeah got a similar impression myself.

Started off really positive and towards the end it was as if, well 'we just need to get this wrapped up and leave it inconclusive'.

Maybe like GA, he was getting too close to the truth as well.....
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Post by TheTruthWillOut on Mon May 12 2014, 18:31

The Mark Harrison report is a good read Cristobell. I Particularly like this section:

 
The searches described in this document were limited to certain locations. Therefore, it can not be said that the concealed remains of Madeleine McCann are not within the village of Praia da Luz. During the first week of her disappearance the GNR tasked personnel to search through the village for the scenario of Madeleine still being alive. This involved visiting dwellings and business premises and a physical search of the refuse bins. A full scale re-search of the village is not currently advised due to its speculative nature and resource implications. Should new information or intelligence identify a specific location then it would be recommended to re-search it adopting the similar model of reconnaissance followed by a search using several detecting methods as detailed in this report to provide a high assurance of detection for a concealed body.
 
At the conclusion of this initial process of “clearing the ground under your feet” I am satisfied a systematic review and search procedure has been conducted and accurately recorded by the PJ.

The bolded could be pertinent to the new searches. And it is nice to read the PJ did a good job!
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Post by ChippyM on Mon May 12 2014, 19:51

Cristobell wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Yes very interesting indeed.

OG should of got Harrison back out on the Helicopter.

What ever happened to the likes of Harrison and Grimes as well.

Did they get demoted to do night security or something in the middle of nowhere.

Or did they get a Mcsuperinjunction and told to keep schtum about there own theories on the work they did.

Or did the powers to be just have them bumped off.
He does take a strange turn towards the end of his statement, where he says no inference can be drawn from the dogs' alerts, which seems to completely contradict everything that preceded it!

There is no mention of searching 'the hill' in his report, and indeed he ends with there could of course be other areas they haven't searched, so it was left open ended.  Given that they carried out his recommendations in 2007, then this current activity is checking NEW areas.

I took the dogs bit as meaning at the time he was writing, the dogs indications alone are not conclusive and they would have to wait for the lab results.

 I also wonder when saying that further search was not recommended unless based on specific intelligence was because of the time elapsed, meaning the person in question would have most likely died.

Very interesting none the less, I'm dying to know who the 2 extra people SY. brought over for the helicopter ride were.

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Post by Mirage on Mon May 12 2014, 20:07

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TheTruthWillOut wrote:Why not Frost.

looks like "eagle eye" action-man!

Awful you can see the cogs working. I do wonder why they put themselves in these positions,  their body language is becoming more questionable as time goes on. How much longer can they go on like that ,unless it is all going to be tied up soon and they are let off the hook, then there will be no need for interviews. So maybe their thoughts are  lets just stick it out for a while longer ?

Creepy innit?

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Post by truthfultiger on Mon May 12 2014, 20:43

Mark Harrison's report is interesting.  Am I just being completely paranoid in thinking that it's odd that the buoy malfunctioned from the 3rd of May for a couple of weeks?  If someone had know how on tides plus forensic awareness it might be a good way ofmaking it difficult to trace the travel of a body that had been thrown into the sea... I notice too that low tide coincided with the Smith sighting and high tide roughly with the time that Gerry and DP were suppose to be searching the beach. Perhaps there was an attempted but unsuccessful burial earlier but the body was then hidden and was returned to later that night? Apologies if this has already been discussed in depth, this is the first time I have read this report.

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Post by Rasputin on Mon May 12 2014, 20:46

"Very interesting none the less, I'm
dying to know who the 2 extra
people SY. brought over for the
helicopter ride were"
Specialist observers perhaps from the RAF ?, certainly someone with the necessary skills to know what they are looking for and perhaps opertate a download link to a support vehicle ? ...the limited capacity of the helicopter Wouldnt have been wasted Imo.

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Post by ChippyM on Mon May 12 2014, 22:26

Rasputin wrote:"Very interesting none the less, I'm
dying to know who the 2 extra
people SY. brought over for the
helicopter ride were"
Specialist observers perhaps from the RAF ?, certainly someone with the necessary skills to know what they are looking for and perhaps opertate a download link to a support vehicle ? ...the limited capacity of the helicopter Wouldnt have been wasted Imo.

One of them was dressed very much like the rest of SY, the other looked more casual and carried more equipment, 2 men were photographed in the helicopter taking photos, Although others have pointed out handheld photos wouldn't be much use. I'm just really curious! All will be revealed...or maybe not.

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Post by hustling01 on Tue May 13 2014, 00:29

Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on Tue May 13 2014, 00:32

hustling01 wrote:Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.

Sounds legit.

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Post by MRNOODLES on Tue May 13 2014, 00:52

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ChippyM wrote:
 I'm not sure if I'm following you here, so you think there was something significant with the helicopter trip?

I shall spell it out again.
You do not "Hire a Military helicopter" in the same way you might hire a catamaran on the beach.
It requires
Authorisation from the Ministry of Defence - (by which I mean not just a local Colonel)
which in turn requires
Authorisation from the Ministry of the Interior (Home Office)
which in turn requires long and careful preparation of the documentation by the PJ and
Authorisation of that through the entire Chain of Command of the PJ.

Then add
filing of flight plans with air traffic and Coast Guard,
briefing for, and then by, the Loadmaster,
Where civilians are to be carried there is a full flight briefing, and a statutory safety briefing, including putting down in the sea - which in this case WAS applicable.

This is from the US
CHAPTER 10: PERSONNEL TRANSPORT. I. Introduction.
The safe transport of personnel in helicopters is of the highest priority. Using standard procedures for transport outlined in this chapter will ensure, to the extent possible, that agencies meet their objective of transporting personnel safely and efficiently.
In order for personnel to be transported legally in a government aircraft1, each passenger must meet the definition of authorized passenger.
Refer to the glossary for definitions of flight crew member, air crew member and passenger. Air crew members may be permitted on board aircraft during certain missions (for example, external loads) on which passengers are prohibited.
A. Aircrew/crewmember.
A person working in and around aircraft and is essential to ensure the safety and successful outcome of the mission. Aircrew members are required to either be on board or attend to the loading and unloading of passengers and cargo at all landings and takeoffs, attend to external loads and ensure that passengers have received a pre-flight safety briefing.
B. Authorized/Official Passengers.
Passengers are any persons aboard an aircraft who does not perform the function of a flight crew/pilot or aircrew member. Passengers may be transported in government aircraft only if they meet the definition of an official passenger.

A local police Inspector cannot scramble a Chinook with a telephone call. Even in emergencies there are rigid procedures.
This was not an emergency, and was always going to attract high level publicity.

And yes to a previous post, you do not do that and then take a few snaps with a small Canon (or even an olympus), with a medium sized lens
You take a series of photos using the on board - wired in - vibration stablisised - high definition camera.
So to sum up
THIS WAS PLANNED a very long time ago,
and for a very specific purpose.
When and what that was, I have no idea, of course.  Though one is tempted to guess.

My guess is. It was planned for late spring to scan the area to see how the shrubs and bushes are growing. Somebody mentioned before about some science about light reflection (something like that) Maybe somebody has cracked but doesn't know the precise site of grave but a rough idea.

Just my opinion.
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Post by hustling01 on Tue May 13 2014, 01:12

Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on Tue May 13 2014, 01:14

hustling01 wrote:Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.

Sounds legit.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 13 2014, 01:17

lol wlbts :-)
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Post by Guest on Tue May 13 2014, 01:18

hustling01 wrote:Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.
You already said the same thing 40 mins ago.

Can you enlighten us on your own personal beliefs and theories of what happened to MBM then??
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Post by jeanmonroe on Tue May 13 2014, 01:50

hustling01 wrote:Maybe there totally innocent and there behavior is like that cos they know there innocent and want to force peoples attention away from them and refocus of looking for her. Maybe there's no big government conspiracy after all.

hustling01:

How does forcing peoples attention away from them to refocus on looking for their daughter reconcile with Mrs McCann saying:

"whether the case, (into her missing daugther, Madeleine) is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't matter"

AND

"we were GLAD the investigation (into our missing daughter, Madeleine) was closed"

Do you think, personally, that at any time, Kate McCann. has herself jeopardised the investigation that has sought to find out what happened to her missing daughter Madeleine?

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Post by lj on Tue May 13 2014, 03:39

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Just found the video on Youtube and was able to create the GIF.


That's great, so very telling.

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Post by lj on Tue May 13 2014, 03:50

frost wrote:
mariola wrote:
mariola wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I wonder what the questions were that prompted those facial expressions Poe. We know the Luz church is one from the Fiona Bruce interview. Any idea what the others were?
One on left, on  you tube "McCanns talk about crying incident on sky tv" with Dermot Murnaghan.Still there!
Here it is,at 1.17.


watching that makes me so (insert expletive ) angry . The sheer gall of these two is beyond comprehension . I think there should be a social services review of this case called asap . How anybody can watch that and think that their actions over that week were within the bounds of responsible parenting is beyond me . I have known children taken into care for far less .

I agree frost. It shows so much they have no idea what normal parental love is. They don't understand that, they never will.

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Post by Seek truth on Tue May 13 2014, 05:28

lj wrote:
frost wrote:
mariola wrote:
mariola wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I wonder what the questions were that prompted those facial expressions Poe. We know the Luz church is one from the Fiona Bruce interview. Any idea what the others were?
One on left, on  you tube "McCanns talk about crying incident on sky tv" with Dermot Murnaghan.Still there!
Here it is,at 1.17.


watching that makes me so (insert expletive ) angry . The sheer gall of these two is beyond comprehension . I think there should be a social services review of this case called asap . How anybody can watch that and think that their actions over that week were within the bounds of responsible parenting is beyond me . I have known children taken into care for far less .

I agree frost. It shows so much they have no idea what normal parental love is. They don't understand that, they never will.
She laughs after saying madeleine did ask why didn't we come to her last night after she'd cried.
How can she laugh!
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Post by Dutchgirl on Tue May 13 2014, 09:15

Father's tribute to missing girl


The McCann's went to a church service on Saturday
The father of missing child Madeleine McCann has paid an emotional tribute to her on her fourth birthday.
Gerry McCann told villagers at a special mass in Praia da Luz, Portugal, the effect of her abduction was "like a tidal wave".

Rewards totalling £2.5m have been offered to anyone who can help with information leading to the safe return of Madeleine, from Rothley, Leics.

She disappeared from a holiday complex in the Algarve on 3 May.

Poster campaign

Mr McCann, along with wife Kate, said: "Today we should be celebrating the fourth birthday of our daughter Madeleine.

"Instead we have had to remember what a normal, beautiful, vivacious, funny, courageous and loving little girl that we are missing today.

"I like to think about the effects of Madeleine's abduction from us nine days ago like a tidal wave."

He said: "The devastation affects everyone we meet here in the resort and has affected this community.




Madeleine's birthday was marked around the UK



"The tidal wave did not stop here, it has travelled many miles across Europe, across the sea to Glasgow, Liverpool, Leicester, Ireland, America, Canada, New Zealand and continental Europe, where we have many friends and family."

He thanked those who had prayed or shown support to the family, such as sticking up posters or emailing friends and contacts throughout Europe.

"They have taken our strength and they are taking action, these actions are to make Madeleine's disappearance more public in the hope that we will get her back sooner as a result."



REWARD CONTRIBUTORS
JK Rowling
Sir Philip Green
Richard Branson
Bill Kenwright
Eggert Magnusson
John Madejski
Jacqueline Gold
Simon Cowell
Wayne Rooney
Michael Vaughan
Sir Tom Hunter
Sir Stelio Haji-Ioannou
John Hargreaves



Madeleine's fourth birthday has been marked in the UK and in Portugal.

Posters have been distributed and many people have joined an e-mail campaign.

Fifty pink balloons were released at the village of Queniborough, close to Rothley, on Saturday, where Madeleine lived until a year ago.

'Family day'

Yellow ribbons were tied to railings in the family's home village, while others were worn by Celtic and Aberdeen fans at a football match in Glasgow. Posters were handed out to holidaymakers leaving from East Midlands Airport.

Mr Winyard said of his decision to offer a reward that he would be "rejoicing with the rest of the nation" if it helped to secure Madeleine's safe return.

The News of the World has promised £250,000 - matching the contribution of Top Shop owner Sir Philip Green.

Businessman Sir Richard Branson, footballer Wayne Ronney and children's author JK Rowling were among others who contributed.





Map of resort

The girl's aunt, Philomena McCann, said the couple were to have a "family day" to mark Madeleine's birthday, and celebrate her life so far.

Other family members gathered at the Glasgow home of Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, she said.

In the UK, Chancellor Gordon Brown was among those expressing sympathy for the family, saying every parent would be thinking of ways to help them.







Tributes in pictures



The official ground search for Madeleine in the Algarve has ended, but police say they still have significant leads to follow up. BBC correspondents say detectives have questioned nine people in the past few days.

The focus is shifting from being a local search for Madeleine to an international child abduction inquiry, amid suggestions she may have been taken out of Portugal.

Media reports about leads have focused on CCTV footage from a petrol station on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

It was thought to feature two men and a woman driving a car with a British number plate.

Police have declined to confirm or deny reports about any possible leads, citing Portuguese law.

The international number for Crime stoppers is +44 1883 731 336. People with information about Madeleine can call anonymously.





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Post by ChippyM on Tue May 13 2014, 10:04

Seek truth wrote:
lj wrote:
frost wrote:

watching that makes me so (insert expletive ) angry . The sheer gall of these two is beyond comprehension . I think there should be a social services review of this case called asap . How anybody can watch that and think that their actions over that week were within the bounds of responsible parenting is beyond me . I have known children taken into care for far less .

I agree frost. It shows so much they have no idea what normal parental love is. They don't understand that, they never will.
She laughs after saying madeleine did ask why didn't we come to her last night after she'd cried.
How can she laugh!
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 It's almost unbelievable to me! Gerry says 'anyone with young children knows they cry and wake up in the night'...So why did you leave them as you admit, 'every night' !?

   I don't understand how none of these interviewers have asked the obvious. 'You admit that children wake and cry but you left them in a strange apartment with hard floors, you are doctors, how can you think that wouldn't be dangerous?

Never mind the one in a billion chance there was a swarthy pedo burglar lurking in the bushes!

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Post by Guest on Tue May 13 2014, 10:12

Seek truth wrote:
lj wrote:
frost wrote:
mariola wrote:
mariola wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I wonder what the questions were that prompted those facial expressions Poe. We know the Luz church is one from the Fiona Bruce interview. Any idea what the others were?
One on left, on  you tube "McCanns talk about crying incident on sky tv" with Dermot Murnaghan.Still there!
Here it is,at 1.17.


watching that makes me so (insert expletive ) angry . The sheer gall of these two is beyond comprehension . I think there should be a social services review of this case called asap . How anybody can watch that and think that their actions over that week were within the bounds of responsible parenting is beyond me . I have known children taken into care for far less .

I agree frost. It shows so much they have no idea what normal parental love is. They don't understand that, they never will.
She laughs after saying madeleine did ask why didn't we come to her last night after she'd cried.
How can she laugh!
 biggergrin

Pause the video at 1.14 and use the right arrow key on your keyboard to go forward frame by frame. It's horrifying.

Kate shows no sign of distress. She grimaces, she juts her chin out and hooks her lip while looking round the studio then shrugs and smiles.

To me, the grimace is saying this is something unpleasant but needs to be done.

The jutting chin is frighteningly aggressive for a mother to be talking about her three year old daughter although, as she is looking round at the same time, she is probably challenging the people in the studio to pull her up on her lies.

The shrug is a minimising action saying "it' doesn't matter" so if someone is telling you something important and they shrug - they are probably lying (this works every time with my husband and son - don't tell them - they think I have supernatural powers!)

That smile at the end is genuine pleasure.
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Post by DIBarlow on Tue May 13 2014, 10:19

Seek truth wrote:
lj wrote:
frost wrote:
mariola wrote:
mariola wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I wonder what the questions were that prompted those facial expressions Poe. We know the Luz church is one from the Fiona Bruce interview. Any idea what the others were?
One on left, on  you tube "McCanns talk about crying incident on sky tv" with Dermot Murnaghan.Still there!
Here it is,at 1.17.


watching that makes me so (insert expletive ) angry . The sheer gall of these two is beyond comprehension . I think there should be a social services review of this case called asap . How anybody can watch that and think that their actions over that week were within the bounds of responsible parenting is beyond me . I have known children taken into care for far less .

I agree frost. It shows so much they have no idea what normal parental love is. They don't understand that, they never will.
She laughs after saying madeleine did ask why didn't we come to her last night after she'd cried.
How can she laugh!
 biggergrin
It's not just that she can laugh, this clip also includes the blatant LIE that 'if Madeleine hadn't been abducted we'd never have though about that comment again'. Why then did she discuss it with 2 other females in T9 BEFORE the 'abduction' took place? The latter is recorded in the official files, has SY not read them?
Her facial expression betrays her every time she lies, witness the repeat of that line at the end of the clip and watch her top lip rise to her left once more. A move that, in the much more recent GIF she attempts, but fails, to suppress. These two are, in my opinion, beneath contempt.

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Post by Guest on Tue May 13 2014, 10:24

Is there not yet another inconsistency in that in one version at least Madeleine asks why they didn't come when she was crying, but in another statement Kate stated that Madeleine had said that Sean and herself had been crying.
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Post by PeterMac on Tue May 13 2014, 10:28

MILLIE wrote:Is there not yet another inconsistency here in that in one version at least Madeleine asks why they didn't come when she was crying, but in another statement Kate stated that Madeleine had said that Sean and herself had been crying.

Please don't start trying to make it make sense ! ! !  That way lies madness.

But yes you are I believe correct, though Kate in her mangled English put in her mouth the words "when Sean and ME were crying."
Since then she has clearly been taking some lessons in English grammar and has begun to use both nominative and accusative more accurately and consistently.
yer know.

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