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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 09.05.14 10:27

@Ladyinred wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Funny how the 'Riddler's post is popping up in various different threads.

It's not you, is it, wlbts? laughat

Nah, you know me, I like getting straight to the point, riddles not my style ;-)

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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by ChippyM on 09.05.14 10:28

@russiandoll wrote:from twitter 

Joana Morais@xklamation 10m
PJ about to discard English Police strongest lead that Madeleine was abducted by a sex predator exclusive by @Marisa_TVI #mccann #madeleine

Sounds promising... but they never thought is was a sex predator anyway!

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Post by Tilly-flop on 09.05.14 10:29

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Funny how the 'Riddler's post is popping up in various different threads.

That was my point wlbts, though my post was (understandably) deleted, but I noticed the 'Riddler' was quite prolific with his/her posts...
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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by NickE on 09.05.14 10:35

@PeterMac wrote:"Digging" thread now at 100 pages, so starting another one - (if that is OK admin.)
Military helicopters are not just hired by the hour on the spur of the moment, like catamarans on the beach
ergo
this little jolly has been planned for a long time,
the PJ have had full knowledge of exactly what SY wanted to do - and by implication have approved it
The whole thing has been approved at VERY high level.
By which I mean Government - Ministry of Defence after consultation with the "Home Office" = Ministry of the Interior equivalent

ergo
Someone must have spelled out
Exactly WHAT they wanted to look for
Exactly WHERE they wanted to look
Exactly WHY
Exactly WHO
and so on.

And this must have been agreed as a viable and useful thing to do.
By the entire Chain of Command

They are clearly NOT looking for freshly turned soil, nor are they looking for a little girl in a pink hat
So what are they looking for that they could not see on a decent map or aerial photograph.

Suggestions ?
Maybe they chart the ground to exclude areas where it is impossible to dig. 
Here in Sweden, a method has been used by helicopter to see what it looks like underground,geology.

Google translate:
This project was for groundwater, but the method is also used to look at the geological structure
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Geological Survey of Sweden , SGU , will map soil conditions in several areas of Gotland where ground water supply is deemed to be interesting from a drinking water perspective. Measurements are carried out with one for Sweden entirely new approach .

The measurements carried out by helicopter, conducted by the SGU in collaboration with the Region Gotland County Administrative Board of Gotland County Water Authority and the Southern Baltic Sea and Water Authority.

The purpose of the measurements , which will begin in late October , is to give a better understanding of groundwater conditions .

- We hope that the measurements will help us to locate areas may be appropriate from a drinking water perspective, and how deep and where there are saline groundwater . The measurements will also provide more knowledge on how sensitive areas are for contaminant transport , says Peter Dahlqvist , Project Manager at SGU .

Uses the proven method
As the method they have chosen to use a helicopter -borne geophysical system called SkyTEM . The method has been used in Denmark and tested on a small area in southern Sweden with good results.

- We have mapped 40 percent of Denmark with this method and produced an incredible accuracy of their data . Several new areas with good water has been found which is valuable information because 99 percent of Danes' drinking water is groundwater . Even in Skåne, where we performed a small pilot project , measurements have shown good results , says Peter Dahlqvist".
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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by RIPM on 09.05.14 10:39

@PeterMac wrote:"Digging" thread now at 100 pages, so starting another one - (if that is OK admin.)
Military helicopters are not just hired by the hour on the spur of the moment, like catamarans on the beach
ergo
this little jolly has been planned for a long time,
the PJ have had full knowledge of exactly what SY wanted to do - and by implication have approved it
The whole thing has been approved at VERY high level.
By which I mean Government - Ministry of Defence after consultation with the "Home Office" = Ministry of the Interior equivalent

ergo
Someone must have spelled out
Exactly WHAT they wanted to look for
Exactly WHERE they wanted to look
Exactly WHY
Exactly WHO
and so on.

And this must have been agreed as a viable and useful thing to do.
By the entire Chain of Command

They are clearly NOT looking for freshly turned soil, nor are they looking for a little girl in a pink hat
So what are they looking for that they could not see on a decent map or aerial photograph.

Suggestions ?
Senior Portuguese Government Official to Head of Airforce


What's our helicopter doing today?
A training flight, why?

Scotland Yard want to look good, to the British taxpayer by flying a 'recon' mission

Tell them 500,000 euros for an afternoons hire

Done
Yes, they have been!

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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 09.05.14 10:42

@ChippyM wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:from twitter 

Joana Morais@xklamation 10m
PJ about to discard English Police strongest lead that Madeleine was abducted by a sex predator exclusive by @Marisa_TVI #mccann #madeleine

Sounds promising... but they never thought is was a sex predator anyway!

Yes, so this must be a public announcement surely?

And if it is a public announcement, what basis do they have for discarding that line of enquiry (aside from it being drivel)?

And what will Scotland Yard's reaction be?

Some very interesting and revealing times to come I think.

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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by russiandoll on 09.05.14 10:42

copied in full from Textusa, again thanks to the blog for its comprehensive writings on the Maddie case , FRIDAY 9TH MAY 2014.


PdL - The Game Board



A Scotland Yard agent looking for Maddie in Praia da Luz

As we said over 3 years ago in our “Blogeditorial Decision on the "Maddie McCann Case"” post (18Feb11), churnalism does not set the agenda in our blog.

We have also said that the most apparently nonsensical thing about this case has to be looked at attentively. Very little is random and what is intentional most of the times escapes the common eye as we have shown repeatedly here.

Now with all this transforming Praia da Luz into a huge “Where’s Wally?” game board to look for Maddie’s body we witnessed a hysteria beyond our understanding.

This whole Let’s–dig–PdL–up is ridiculous. Everyone knows it’s ridiculous and yet hysteria has led people down the path of discussing how ridiculous it is. As useless as discussing how wet water is.

What has to be discussed and never is, is why these episodes are ridiculous. Why is SY so shamelessly exposing itself to absolute ridicule by selling dog poo for chocolate mousse? Because that is exactly what SY is doing, isn’t it?

Why is the question that needs to be asked and be answered. Not the quantification of ridiculousness. That it’s ridiculous is evident to everyone.

As we have said before, this has become a game. A sickening one but one nonetheless. To understand the latest move one must understand the game, or at least the stage where it is at currently.

When Portugal reopened the process, it opened a whole new battlefront for UK. We don’t think this front came as a surprise to Britain. We think it was even Britain who asked for it as it would be the only way to legitimise whatever “findings” would result from its Homeland front.

What surprised UK was that the 2013/2014 PJ wasn’t as “tame” as the 2007/2008 one had been. What Britain in its imperialistic arrogance failed to understand was that the 2007/2008 PJ hadn’t been tame at all.

It had acted the way it did out of good-will, out of respect that higher British interests were at stake and tolerantly understood that the case had little relevance to Portugal but was critical to UK.

So instead of firmly pursuing the completion of the task, Portugal “let it go” as a comprehensive gesture to the British. It was basically Britain's problem, let Britain solve it.

But Britain was ungrateful. Very ungrateful. It humiliated Portugal beyond comprehension and belief. Portugal became a 4th world country with a 5th world investigative police.

So now Portugal, understandably, doesn’t trust Britain. Not on this issue at least. Humiliated back in 2008 it won’t allow itself to go through the same experience again. Whatever pressure.

Britain wants to know what is going on and Portugal just tells Britain not to worry, it is doing its job so Britain has just to be patient.

So now Britain has two battlefronts: the Homeland and the Portuguese one.

We have stated clearly what we think is the desired end result for UK in our “Rats” post (10Jan14): to contain “truth” as such to only the T9 if possible, preferably to the McCanns alone.

The objectives may change due to circumstances and the most important one is the result of the Portuguese investigation as it must be minimally coherent with the results from the one in UK.

But the Portuguese investigation is out of Britain’s control and UK is doing all it can to gain it.

So, for UK this game is being played with two goals in mind:

Internally, on the Homeland front, to explain that Maddie died that evening and then see how narrow the “fall hole” can be. First have Maddie dead, then mould “truth” to convenience. The bringing over the dogs again may have to do with that.

Externally, on the Portuguese front, to control the PJ investigation.

Do you remember how ridiculous Binman was? It was ridiculous to the public eye but very serious in intention: Maddie didn’t leave the apartment alive and there’s decisive forensic evidence from Maddie’s crime scene (Homeland front) and to initiate pressure on PJ to force close cooperation with SY (Portuguese front).

Do you remember how ridiculous the 18-sex-assault-on-minors-spree was? It was ridiculous to the public eye but very serious in intention: to desperately pressure PJ in allowing SY into the secrecy of PJ’s current Maddie case (Portuguese front) as we exposed that in our “Blackmail” post (25Apr14).

In terms of Homeland front, the 18-sex-assault-on-minors-spree had little relevance which meant that taking control of the PJ investigation was priority. It wants in and will suffer whatever public humiliation to get in. It will overlook pride, it will overlook legality and it will overlook anything that is possible to overlook.

Now we have the ridiculous Let’s-dig-PdL-up episode. Absolutely ridiculous to the public eye. But let’s see how serious it is.

On the Homeland front we are witnessing a phenomenon in all similar to the one that happened with negligence: a campaign to influence the general public as to what happened.

A massive media campaign to decisively influence public opinion.

To influence it about what? To assume as fact that Maddie is dead. It started with Binman. Then, for the first time UK conceded that Maddie was dead. Now it confirms by allegedly spending so many resources looking for a body. UK must really have lots of money lying around and not knowing what to do with it.

The difference between the current campaign and the negligence one in 2007 is that the latter was to implant a false fact while the first is to remove a falsity implanted (that Maddie was abducted/alive) and replace it with the truth.

Maddie is dead, a truth media was decisive in distorting and now undoing the hoax it made up about Maddie being alive.

Do note that these two campaigns, negligence and Maddie-is-indeed-dead, share one similarity: the unwilling cooperation from Kate and Gerry. Them saying that they are prepared for the blow the truth represents that very well.

Like when they had to accept the burden of having been “negligent” they now have to accept that Maddie for the authorities is dead. In both, they don’t want to but have to. Accept to having been negligent when they weren’t and accept that Maddie is taken as dead when all pretended she was not.

But what is to be retained is that the Let’s-dig-PdL-up has the intention, on the Homeland front, to “officialise” Maddie’s death. The next step will be to officialise it.

It’s on the Portuguese front that the Let’s-dig-PdL-up is really interesting and really, really not ridiculous.

UK wants to control both investigations. It has begged, pleaded and sobbed tears of blood for a “joint” investigation to see all refused.

Here one has to wonder why SY doesn’t ask for PJ’s presence in Operation Grange as demonstration of really wanting joint investigation teams on Maddie’s case.

Why not first invite PJ over and share with them all the work done by SY over these last 3 years?

Show PJ all documentation that SY has on the subject. Share everything. SY wants joint, let's have joint then, starting with who wants it joint

That would be a sign of goodwill and intention.

But no, SY just wants joint operations in Portugal. Why? Because apparently UK has more money and “better” dogs than Portugal has. And according to the UK, obviously better police. PJ is apparently just not cut out to work on cases of such complexity and importance such as a missing girl in its own territory.

It seems that all the asking and pressuring have not resulted in the desired cooperation, SY has played its final card: monitoring.

If it can’t influence the investigation directly, it can at least to try and influence indirectly. And from there worm its way in to influence it directly, finally.


They will now populate the field with their people who aren’t digging after all but using ground screen radars. One has to wonder how long it will be before the bat-signal calling for Batman will light up PdL’s night as if SY’s suspicions are correct only a supervillain could have abducted Maddie.

And the SY operationals on the field will be using very discreet radars at that. You know, they won’t be seen looking.

How convenient. They will be there looking but won’t be seen doing that.

But they will be looking. Not for Maddie’s body but monitoring everything that happens in PdL. They have found an excuse to be there.

And when there they can stick their noses everywhere, find out who PJ has talked to, discover what places PJ has visited and those who it has revisited.

Exert pressure by presence. You don’t want us here but here we are. And today we have come up with this excuse, tomorrow we will find another. As you can clearly see, we couldn’t care less how ridiculous it may seem or be, but we cannot let go of this bone.

The poster sofieellis at JH, here, describes things very adequately: Martin Brunt says Andy Redwood and co want to interview 8 witnesses. He mentioned the suspects, whose homes they have been denied the right to search. Detectives may go on to look at some of the sites which are to be searched. He says the detectives were filmed having breakfast in a cafe this morning, which caused a media melee and Brunt described this as a PR disaster! They are now believed to be talking to Portuguese detectives. "This is certainly the start of a new and dynamic phase in the Madeleine McCann investigation, so for the first time we are seeing Scotland Yard Detectives on the ground in Portugal, ready to join their colleagues here in the search for tangible evidence of Madeleine McCann. Quite when that's going to start, it's not clear."

Hope you can now see the logic and see the direction SY is taking things.:  “Well, as long as we are here, why don't we question 8 witnesses? You know, joint investigation buddies... I  tell you what, today we question these 8 and tomorrow you can come with us to question another 2, the one's we tell you to question, ok? How's that? Digging? What digging? Oh, yes... we are doing that too! Bob is out there with the machine right now... on the cliffs,  I think... not sure. but is that really important now that we're working so well together?”

Like visiting you for tea and then starting to tell you what dinner is going to be in your own house.

If you wanted a better proof of this, all you had to do was to see how yesterday, 08May14, on arriving in Algarve, SY hired a Portuguese Air Force helicopter to allegedly recce 3 locations (the only ones they were authorised to search) which are very near Apartment 5A.

Wasn't that  just a spectacular entrance in Luz? Literally. Pure showing-off.

And what about SY asking for aerial photos that can be easily obtainable with Google Maps?

From the media, we have been told 2 of those 3 places: one is between Rua da Escola Primária and Rua Primeiro de Maio and the other near the church in front of Chaplins.

Wasn't the spectacle put on yesterday just SY showing work and shouting on top of their lungs “Look how we're doing our job... soon the Portuguese won't be able to refuse our help and are going to investigate with us!”

It doesn't matter why we are here, what matters is that we are here and that's all what matters to UK.

By the way, involving the cooperation of the Portuguese Air Force, by the use of its helicopters and its aerial photographs, is very far from having any sort of cooperation from any investigative authority in Portugal.  

Unfortunately for UK, PJ’s attitude towards SY is more like “sorry, thanks but no thanks, tough luck, mate” than the one UK is so shamelessly hard striving for.

To be fair, Redwood has a very tough job ahead in Portugal. He's like a man who has been ordered to be intimate again with a woman who he had a one night stand with and then paraded himself through the streets of the entire neighbourhood telling everyone, with a megaphone, what an easy slut she had been.

Next week, if there aren't any surprises, we will show you how really very uncooperative PJ has been with SY. How do we know? Because the media has told us, that's how. 

Last notes.

image from video here

The British and Portuguese general public know that Maddie is dead. They have known since the dogs in 2007.

The proof was that, although Maddie was in the centre of media attention, PdL’s ceremony on 03May14 went completely unnoticed. The Rothley one can be summarised by the McCanns dress code and the amount of people present.

Maddie’s 11th birthday went completely unnoticed.

Everyone knows Maddie is dead and what is being done to her memory is cruel and disrespectful.

What the public, in UK and Portugal, wants to know are 2 things and they will demand an answer to both: how did Maddie die and why were the McCanns so protected all this time.

And please, please do resist any and all temptation about finding anything. That would be the most stupid mistake ever and would only make things worse for you.

There is one very strong indication on how much SY/Maddie is becoming popular in Portugal: every news service yesterday, including SIC, was careful to highlight that all expenses related to this Let’s-dig-PdL-up thing is to be paid by Britain.

To our readers, we have been informed that the Portuguese Air Force helicopter was paid for. Very far from being a free ride.

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Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

Post by Penfold on 09.05.14 10:44

These digging operations have begun 7 years plus 1 week after the date that a missing person can be legally assumed to have died.
Does anyone else find this timing significant?

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Post by ChippyM on 09.05.14 10:48

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:from twitter 

Joana Morais@xklamation 10m
PJ about to discard English Police strongest lead that Madeleine was abducted by a sex predator exclusive by @Marisa_TVI #mccann #madeleine

Sounds promising... but they never thought is was a sex predator anyway!

Yes, so this must be a public announcement surely?

And if it is a public announcement, what basis do they have for discarding that line of enquiry (aside from it being drivel)?

And what will Scotland Yard's reaction be?

Some very interesting and revealing times to come I think.

 If that's what they're going to do, I can't see them inviting SY over to work with them and UNDER them and then make a conflicting announcement a day after they arrive.

  My inkling has always been that SY were following all lines of enquiry, not just the burglars, although that line of enquiry has had the press in a frenzy leaving them to get on with more sensitive enquiries.

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Post by Upsy Daisy on 09.05.14 10:48

Sorry it's taken me aaages to get to this point...

okay, so does anyone think they may be digging at the location on the map that was found under the sofa in the rented villa that was left behind by Justine McGuinness when they McCanns fled aftr becoming arguidos....which also had the 'Swansea number' written on the back or did that get ruled out and amount to nothing??

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Post by ChippyM on 09.05.14 10:49

@Penfold wrote:These digging operations have begun 7 years plus 1 week after the date that a missing person can be legally assumed to have died.
Does anyone else find this timing significant?

Yep, I have wondered about the death in absentia laws.

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Post by tigger on 09.05.14 10:52

Lidar is the only advantage I can think of.
From Wiki:
Lidar (also written LIDAR or LiDAR) is a remote sensing technology that measures distance by illuminating a target with a laser and analyzing the reflected light. Although widely considered to be an acronym of LIght Detection And Ranging,[1] the term lidar was actually created as a portmanteau of "light" and "radar."[2][3]
Lidar is popularly used as a technology to make high-resolution maps, with applications in geomatics, archaeology, geography, geology, geomorphology, seismology, forestry, remote sensing, atmospheric physics,[4] airborne laser swath mapping (ALSM), laser altimetry, and contour mapping.

Going on PeterMac's post and presuming high level participation/permission I'd think they could do a lot of useful mapping in a short time. I've seen some very good images from Lidar of totally overgrown buildings in the Amazonian forests where the building was outlined in great detail despite centuries of rainforest having hidden it. This is going to be a little more difficult of course and I'm only making a wild guess.

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Post by Guest on 09.05.14 10:53

@Upsy Daisy wrote:Sorry it's taken me aaages to get to this point...

okay, so does anyone think they may be digging at the location on the map that was found under the sofa in the rented villa that was left behind by Justine McGuinness when they McCanns fled aftr becoming arguidos....which also had the 'Swansea number' written on the back or did that get ruled out and amount to nothing??
Not heard about that map before..

Any links or more info on that Upsy Daisy....
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Post by Guest on 09.05.14 10:55

Interesting times ahead,certainly looks like an official announcement of some kind is soon to come out.
The news today is very quiet so far.
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Post by Cristobell on 09.05.14 10:55

@riskybuisness wrote:If a civilian helicopter was used then the PJ may have been out the loop - thus best for them to use the military one.

I hardly ever post but read most days - have done since the 3a days- I don't believe that there is any massive cover up going on because if there was
1. we would probably never have  heard much about the story in the first place
2. the mcc's would have met their fate to shut them up pretty early on - a suicide due to the fact they could not live without her story would have been easy to portray

I think that the politicians did what they always do - go where they think the votes are - regardless of facts etc- once they had made their beds it's been hard to back track- I bet many wish they had just stayed a out of it.

I still think that sometimes the simplest explanations just work the best- Kids left alone - one dies- all are scared that they could be charged and loose their other children and jobs (may even have been doing "stuff" that would have involved them popping back and forth to apartments for their own enjoyment-not  for checking- as well as leaving kids). 

 What also crosses my mind is that they were mostly medics- I am sure that once they found her they would have worked to save her- her body would show that - anyone who has done resuscitation will know that you usually feel/hear the ribs break while doing this- I have luckily never had to do this to a child but have heard the bones of an adult go while doing it so I can only imagine that as a medic gets more desperate to restart the heart a childs bones would go even easier.

For that reason alone I do not think they would have left that body in PDL - That may the clue to needing to go back and remove it later (ie the car)- but how they would manage this under the watch of locals and the press- who knows.
Welcome to the forum RiskyBusiness and hope you post more  smilie 

I think the body of Madeleine is in PDL.  The parents and their entourage were in the resort for nearly 5 months.  How long does it take to become familiar with such a small area? Particularly as Kate and Gerry are keen runners - they must have known the terrain intimately.  The 'family', were effectively 'holed up' in PDL, surrounded by journalists and police - although they were of course, working very hard to keep the police occupied with anything that took them away from the area. As far as we know the family and their friends did not join in the searches of the local area - not even on the night Madeleine went missing when there was the greatest chance of her being found nearby.  They were directing the police towards the borders, and the search outwards and away from PDL.

Just thinking out loud, during WWII, the prisoners of Colditz dug an escape tunnel right under the noses of their German Guards.  The family were not watched as closely as prisoners of war, and desperate times call for desperate measures.  

This case now has drama, in the sense that for the first time in 7 years there will be evidence of physical searching for this missing child.  The McCanns and indeed their friends have had 7 years to tell the truth, they could and still can, confess at any time, but they clearly want to go the whole hog, and defend their innocence to the end.  They still have Tannerman on their website and their reaction to these new developments are anger.

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Post by Hicks on 09.05.14 10:59

@Upsy Daisy wrote:Sorry it's taken me aaages to get to this point...

okay, so does anyone think they may be digging at the location on the map that was found under the sofa in the rented villa that was left behind by Justine McGuinness when they McCanns fled aftr becoming arguidos....which also had the 'Swansea number' written on the back or did that get ruled out and amount to nothing??

The location on the map was the River Vascao near the Spanish border.

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Post by Upsy Daisy on 09.05.14 11:03

I will look for the links....can search the thread 'swansea number' cant remember the other title will hwve to search through debate section.  If any mods can help that would be marvellous. thanks.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.05.14 11:04

@PeterMac wrote:"Digging" thread now at 100 pages, so starting another one...

Military helicopters are not just hired by the hour on the spur of the moment, like catamarans on the beach
In one of the reports earlier this week, it was stated that the helicopter(s) to be used would an 'Alouette'.

According to Wikipedia, this is a light helicopter, which has been produced in three versions (Mark 1, Mark 2 and Mark 3):    

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Alouette

The Alouette is a French-made helicopter and 'alouette' is the French word for a 'lark', or a 'skylark'.

Hence the French ditty:

Alouette, gentille alouette,
Alouette, je te plumerai...



I think actually that using a 'lark' here is actually very appropriate.

Surely this is a 'lark' by the Portugese authorities?

I hardly think they are going to spend a fortune lending out helicopters for a few Brits to come along to 'help' them with their investigation - so obviously, as has been suggested already on this thread and elsewhere, they will have hired it out to Redwood's men, and we, the British taxpayers, will be footing the bill.

Why have the Portuguese Police apparently refused all the other ILOR requests, but granted this one?

Because it's the most expensive!

That helps the hard-pressed Portuguese economy to recoup some of its investment in military helicopters - and makes the British look stupid at the same time...because, realistically, what is a helicopter 'sweep' likely to reveal, 7 years later?

Everybody is happy.

The Portuguese get some useful income and make the British look fools.

The Met top brass get more media coverage and pre-arranged photos by 'Exclusive pix', thus maintaining their key objective, namely influencing public perception and making it look as though this £8 million-and-rising-fast investigation is really really going places.

The British media are happy because there will be more and more dramatic 'Maddie' stories on our front pages.

Everybody is happy, in fact, except the British taxpayer.


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On the subject of larks, I couldn't leave this posting without adding this beautiful piece of music by Vaughan Williams: 'The Lark Ascending':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2JlDnT2l8

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Post by Hicks on 09.05.14 11:05

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@Upsy Daisy wrote:Sorry it's taken me aaages to get to this point...

okay, so does anyone think they may be digging at the location on the map that was found under the sofa in the rented villa that was left behind by Justine McGuinness when they McCanns fled aftr becoming arguidos....which also had the 'Swansea number' written on the back or did that get ruled out and amount to nothing??
Not heard about that map before..

Any links or more info on that Upsy Daisy....
Jumping in here sorry.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id71.html.

You need to scroll down quite a way.

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Post by Guest on 09.05.14 11:06

From Twitter:

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#madeleine Scot Yard cops on their way home from Algarve after less than 48 hours meeting Portuguese colleagues re Madeleine investigation
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Post by ChippyM on 09.05.14 11:10

Poe wrote:From Twitter:

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt  13m
#madeleine Scot Yard cops on their way home from Algarve after less than 48 hours meeting Portuguese colleagues re Madeleine investigation

from that I can only think of 2 possibilities either the PJ have told SY to eff off and stop going on about burglars and smelly men...or they took them for a helicopter trip to show them something and SY said 'fair enough , carry on!'.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 09.05.14 11:12

@ChippyM wrote:
Poe wrote:From Twitter:

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt  13m
#madeleine Scot Yard cops on their way home from Algarve after less than 48 hours meeting Portuguese colleagues re Madeleine investigation

from that I can only think of 2 possibilities either the PJ have told SY to eff off and stop going on about burglars and smelly men...or they took them for a helicopter trip to show them something and SY said 'fair enough , carry on!'.

I read earlier in the week that they would be going back to the UK today, they'll probably be back next week.

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Post by ChippyM on 09.05.14 11:14

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
Poe wrote:From Twitter:

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt  13m
#madeleine Scot Yard cops on their way home from Algarve after less than 48 hours meeting Portuguese colleagues re Madeleine investigation

from that I can only think of 2 possibilities either the PJ have told SY to eff off and stop going on about burglars and smelly men...or they took them for a helicopter trip to show them something and SY said 'fair enough , carry on!'.

I read earlier in the week that they would be going back to the UK today, they'll probably be back next week.


 Oh ok, I feel reassured now  smilie .

     Maybe they are planning and organising.

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Post by Nereid on 09.05.14 11:18

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@PeterMac wrote:"Digging" thread now at 100 pages, so starting another one...

Military helicopters are not just hired by the hour on the spur of the moment, like catamarans on the beach
In one of the reports earlier this week, it was stated that the helicopter(s) to be used would an 'Alouette'.

According to Wikipedia, this is a light helicopter, which has been produced in three versions (Mark 1, Mark 2 and Mark 3):    

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Alouette


Looks like an Alouette Mark III



And the 'scopes' they're using don't look that high-tech, but it's unclear to see.
Pic courtesy of ExlusivePix once again.

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