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Joana Morais says she will upload a translated version of the programme soon. Looking forward to watching that.
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Post by stillsloppingout 04.05.14 12:06

Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
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Post by noddy100 04.05.14 12:44

stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
This is more or less what I think. 
This is about circles the tapas have mixed in and what would be exposed about
those people if the McCanns were brought to trial
WHy on earth would such high ranking political figures give a damn about them?
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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED 04.05.14 12:58

stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
 A view I have held for nigh on 7 years.

The McCANNS are nothing in the scheme of things.
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Post by SixMillionQuid 04.05.14 13:01

noddy100 wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
This is more or less what I think. 
This is about circles the tapas have mixed in and what would be exposed about
those people if the McCanns were brought to trial
WHy on earth would such high ranking political figures give a damn about them?
I almost certain that during the early days they anticipated a body being found - Kate's reference to a tea stain on the pyjamas. What good is  this info to an abductor? Unless they anticipated pyjamas or other clothing being found.

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Post by Cristobell 04.05.14 13:05

stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
The lengths the powers that be have gone to, in order to convince the public Madeleine was abducted is extraordinary, why is it imperative we believe the parents and their friends are completely innocent?  And why are 350 members of parliament not asking a single question of Operation Grange?  We can explain the reticence of journalists and newspapers to print anything negative about the McCanns, they can and do destroy careers, and have a pack of CR rottweillers on constant guard for any statement that may add a few thousand to the Family Fund coffers, but why are our elected representatives so coy?

The early claims by the parents that Madeleine must have been snatched by a paedophile, make uncomfortable reading and it does make you wonder what likely injuries might have been found if there had been a body.  Surely claiming your child has been snatched by a paedophile would be the last thing a distressed parent would think, not the first.  Gerry had seen Madeleine alive at 9.10pm - at most she she had only been missing for an hour, there was every reason for hope.  Dopey Jane had seen a man carrying a child, he was walking, he wasn't in a high speed getaway car.  There was every chance Madeleine was close by - that night should have been full of hope and thorough searching, not demands for the borders to be closed and worldwide publicity!  
  Surely it is the last thing a parent would think, not the first.  What a shame that didn't have as much hope that very first night that they have 7 years later, they might have gone out searching if they had and they wouldn't have needed a priest.
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Post by Watching 04.05.14 13:35

IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
 A view I have held for nigh on 7 years.

The McCANNS are nothing in the scheme of things.
And that brings us right back to the Gaspar statements.  If GA is correct re Payne, then Mr is up to his neck in it too.  Did not Mrs Gaspar say that Mr was there together with Payne when she witnessed what she felt was an indecent gesture in relation to Maddie?
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Post by jeanmonroe 04.05.14 14:51

Canada wrote:

"If they alienate SY they risk being cut out of the process. Not that I believe they're included in the process to begin with. I think they're being fed a load of tosh by whoever they believe is their "inside person" at SY".
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As CONFIRMED (outside the 'loop') by KM, herself these last few days, i believe.

Mrs McCann said 'she had not been given a reason why a joint team had not been set up.'

NOT EVEN BY THEIR BEZZY MATE ANDY?

Kate McCann: "I'm not sure myself and I haven't been given a reason as to why a joint investigation team has been knocked back."

NOT EVEN BY THEIR BEZZY MATE ANDY?

Here's a CLUE Kate

PJ 'investigating' Madeleine 'died' in your holiday apartment, possibly by 'accident', FAKED 'abduction' and 'hiding of cadavar' by yourselves or 'friends'

Met Police 'investigating' ONLY 'abduction' (by stranger) because ONLY you have 'told' them that.

Anyway Kate, just give Andy 'a bell', on the 'hot line' you told Adam Boulton you had to 'access' Operation Grange 24/7, and i'm sure he'll tell you a/the reason WHY a 'joint investigation' has NOT been set up.

And i thought, or so your spokesman has told us, ad nauseum, you and Gerry were being 'totally INFORMED' of the Met Police's EVERY minute 'move'

Can't understand, therefore, why, NOBODY from the PJ/MET has NOT told you a/the 'reason' WHY there's no joint 'investigation'

Here's Operation Grange's phone number, in case you have accidentally deleted it from your speed dial 'contacts'

Met Incident Room: 020 7321 9251.

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Post by jeanmonroe 04.05.14 17:21

But at a special prayer service in the McCanns’ home village of Rothley, Leics, dad Gerry, 45, said he and wife Kate had been buoyed by the Scotland Yard probe.

He said: “They are going back out to Portugal very soon. They are chipping away and there is new evidence.

“We are going to continue hoping we get a happy outcome – and one day we will know what’s happening.”
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New 'EVIDENCE'?

I would like to see THAT!
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GM.........and one day we will know what’s happening.”

Really?

'admitting' (finally?) you don't know 'what's happening'?

BUT

I thought you already KNEW 'what's happening' being constantly, totally, 'informed' ,as you both tell anyone that'll listen, of EVERYTHING DCI Redwood and his 'team' at Operation Grange are doing.

ps: You, and the Metropoodle, DON'T know what the PJ are 'investigating' and you won't know until 'the EAW 6am 'knock'

THEN............. you WILL 'KNOW'!
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Post by Guest 04.05.14 18:18

Cristobell wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
The lengths the powers that be have gone to, in order to convince the public Madeleine was abducted is extraordinary, why is it imperative we believe the parents and their friends are completely innocent?  And why are 350 members of parliament not asking a single question of Operation Grange?  We can explain the reticence of journalists and newspapers to print anything negative about the McCanns, they can and do destroy careers, and have a pack of CR rottweillers on constant guard for any statement that may add a few thousand to the Family Fund coffers, but why are our elected representatives so coy?

The early claims by the parents that Madeleine must have been snatched by a paedophile, make uncomfortable reading and it does make you wonder what likely injuries might have been found if there had been a body.  Surely claiming your child has been snatched by a paedophile would be the last thing a distressed parent would think, not the first.  Gerry had seen Madeleine alive at 9.10pm - at most she she had only been missing for an hour, there was every reason for hope.  Dopey Jane had seen a man carrying a child, he was walking, he wasn't in a high speed getaway car.  There was every chance Madeleine was close by - that night should have been full of hope and thorough searching, not demands for the borders to be closed and worldwide publicity!  
  Surely it is the last thing a parent would think, not the first.  What a shame that didn't have as much hope that very first night that they have 7 years later, they might have gone out searching if they had and they wouldn't have needed a priest.

 Cristobell:   maybe our 350 MPs don't have a clue about Operation Grange.  Even Sir BHH, head of the Met, had to be reminded!  In addition they probably feel sympathy for Mr&Mrs having lost their daughter to an abductor.  Perhaps each one of us here should attend our MP's surgery and give them the benefit of our knowedge and request that they ask questions in the House.  After all, MPs cannot be sued for libel in Parliament.
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stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .

This is, and always has been of course, the explanation. People have asked why children would be taken on a 'swinging' holiday. Well... the explanation is obvious, only it is so difficult to actually state the words in their hideous and stark reality.

"A paedophile has taken her' and the governmental influences seen thence make perfect sense and only with this forbidden scenario. My own, probably unfounded,  opinion.
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Post by mariola 04.05.14 19:16

Dee Coy wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .

This is, and always has been of course, the explanation. People have asked why children would be taken on a 'swinging' holiday. Well... the explanation is obvious, only it is so difficult to actually state the words in their hideous and stark reality.

"A paedophile has taken her' and the governmental influences seen thence make perfect sense and only with this forbidden scenario. My own, probably unfounded,  opinion.
Also DeeCoy, the swinging and sedation theories dont,t justify the the solidity of the group for so long.For the pact to have been so watertight ,there must have been very sinister going on  between them,as GA has referred to.
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Post by Cristobell 04.05.14 19:47

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Cristobell wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
The lengths the powers that be have gone to, in order to convince the public Madeleine was abducted is extraordinary, why is it imperative we believe the parents and their friends are completely innocent?  And why are 350 members of parliament not asking a single question of Operation Grange?  We can explain the reticence of journalists and newspapers to print anything negative about the McCanns, they can and do destroy careers, and have a pack of CR rottweillers on constant guard for any statement that may add a few thousand to the Family Fund coffers, but why are our elected representatives so coy?

The early claims by the parents that Madeleine must have been snatched by a paedophile, make uncomfortable reading and it does make you wonder what likely injuries might have been found if there had been a body.  Surely claiming your child has been snatched by a paedophile would be the last thing a distressed parent would think, not the first.  Gerry had seen Madeleine alive at 9.10pm - at most she she had only been missing for an hour, there was every reason for hope.  Dopey Jane had seen a man carrying a child, he was walking, he wasn't in a high speed getaway car.  There was every chance Madeleine was close by - that night should have been full of hope and thorough searching, not demands for the borders to be closed and worldwide publicity!  
  Surely it is the last thing a parent would think, not the first.  What a shame that didn't have as much hope that very first night that they have 7 years later, they might have gone out searching if they had and they wouldn't have needed a priest.

 Cristobell:   maybe our 350 MPs don't have a clue about Operation Grange.  Even Sir BHH, head of the Met, had to be reminded!  In addition they probably feel sympathy for Mr&Mrs having lost their daughter to an abductor.  Perhaps each one of us here should attend our MP's surgery and give them the benefit of our knowedge and request that they ask questions in the House.  After all, MPs cannot be sued for libel in Parliament.
That day may well come LadyinRed - Operation Grange cannot become a bottomless pit with no end result.  All the announcements from SY thus have been positive, in that 'they are making progress' and not so long ago, we were told they had 3 or was it 4 names and arrests were expected soon.  I feel this case has been on the precipice for a long time now, and something has got to give.  Be it, the libel trial or the forces of SY or the PJ, it simply cannot go on for another 7 years.
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Post by Hongkong Phooey 04.05.14 21:14

stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
For me, this is the only explanation that makes any sense and Amaral is steadfast in his belief that DP is involved (no sign of him being sued despite repeating the allegations on a number of occasions)
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 04.05.14 21:43

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
For me, this is the only explanation that makes any sense and Amaral is steadfast in his belief that DP is involved (no sign of him being sued despite repeating the allegations on a number of occasions)

It is curious. DP not suing nor the PJ questioning DP (don't believe Amaral?)

All one big clusterwhatsit.
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I find it hard to believe that the suspicions about DP haven`t been followed up by Social Services or SY, after all the Gaspar statements are out there and YM must have made her own investigations. If those suspicions were confirmed, their children would be taken away and he would not be able to practise as a urologist (peering at peoples`, including childrens`, urological and gynocological workings on a daily basis).  We know he is still in practice because he opened a clinic recently.  If DP is on a register somewhere Jim Gamble would know about it as well.
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Post by HelenMeg 04.05.14 22:12

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stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .
The lengths the powers that be have gone to, in order to convince the public Madeleine was abducted is extraordinary, why is it imperative we believe the parents and their friends are completely innocent?  And why are 350 members of parliament not asking a single question of Operation Grange?  We can explain the reticence of journalists and newspapers to print anything negative about the McCanns, they can and do destroy careers, and have a pack of CR rottweillers on constant guard for any statement that may add a few thousand to the Family Fund coffers, but why are our elected representatives so coy?

The early claims by the parents that Madeleine must have been snatched by a paedophile, make uncomfortable reading and it does make you wonder what likely injuries might have been found if there had been a body.  Surely claiming your child has been snatched by a paedophile would be the last thing a distressed parent would think, not the first.  Gerry had seen Madeleine alive at 9.10pm - at most she she had only been missing for an hour, there was every reason for hope.  Dopey Jane had seen a man carrying a child, he was walking, he wasn't in a high speed getaway car.  There was every chance Madeleine was close by - that night should have been full of hope and thorough searching, not demands for the borders to be closed and worldwide publicity!  
  Surely it is the last thing a parent would think, not the first.  What a shame that didn't have as much hope that very first night that they have 7 years later, they might have gone out searching if they had and they wouldn't have needed a priest.

 Cristobell:   maybe our 350 MPs don't have a clue about Operation Grange.  Even Sir BHH, head of the Met, had to be reminded!  In addition they probably feel sympathy for Mr&Mrs having lost their daughter to an abductor.  Perhaps each one of us here should attend our MP's surgery and give them the benefit of our knowedge and request that they ask questions in the House.  After all, MPs cannot be sued for libel in Parliament.
That is not a bad idea. Yesterday I was driving through my town and saw my MP (Father of the House) walking. I badly wanted to stop and talk to him about this case. I nearly did but I thought better of it as I knew that I was not prepared enough to provide any backup to my beliefs.  I really wanted to ask him whether it was ever discussed or what his thoughts were but I thought without putting some notes together I could sound quite pathetic... He is quite a prominent MP so it would've been good to see what he had to say.
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Post by Guest 04.05.14 22:23

I'm fortunate in that my MP lives a few streets away from me.  I'm on first-name terms with him, he is very approachable and an involved and committed member of the constituency.  What he would make of this case, I'm not sure.  Maybe he would think I'm losing my marbles.
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Post by ChippyM 04.05.14 22:39

Woofer wrote:I find it hard to believe that the suspicions about DP haven`t been followed up by Social Services or SY, after all the Gaspar statements are out there and YM must have made her own investigations. If those suspicions were confirmed, their children would be taken away and he would not be able to practise as a urologist (peering at peoples`, including childrens`, urological and gynocological workings on a daily basis).  We know he is still in practice because he opened a clinic recently.  If DP is on a register somewhere Jim Gamble would know about it as well.

 I wonder too how the McCanns have not come across the Gaspar statement in all the investigating they have overseen. If it was presented to the McCanns by one of their detectives how would they react? How would Kate react to what her husband and DP were thought to be discussing?
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 04.05.14 22:51

What really confuses me is why the Gaspar statement was ever handed over to the PJ from LP, albeit 6 months later, if the goal was to protect Mr and Mrs and/or others..

The only thing I can think of is the Gaspars threatened to go to the press?
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Post by Watching 04.05.14 22:56

ChippyM wrote:
Woofer wrote:I find it hard to believe that the suspicions about DP haven`t been followed up by Social Services or SY, after all the Gaspar statements are out there and YM must have made her own investigations. If those suspicions were confirmed, their children would be taken away and he would not be able to practise as a urologist (peering at peoples`, including childrens`, urological and gynocological workings on a daily basis).  We know he is still in practice because he opened a clinic recently.  If DP is on a register somewhere Jim Gamble would know about it as well.

 I wonder too how the McCanns have not come across the Gaspar statement in all the investigating they have overseen. If it was presented to the McCanns by one of their detectives how would they react? How would Kate react to what her husband and DP were thought to be discussing?
Has she turned a blind eye?  Did she already know or suspect something before holidaying in PDL?

And what do others in the medical profession really think of Payne and Mr & Mrs?   Many will be friends of the Gaspar's and trust in what they said about Payne & Mr, feel that Gaspar's would not have said such a thing, without justification.  Many of these doctors will know, be friends with both parties - Gaspar's and tapas lot.  I imagine there will be some division among them, some believing/siding with Gaspar's and some for all we know may already, like Gaspar's had suspicions.   It's a bit like the people of Rothley, Mr & Mrs would have us believe the 'village' are on their side.  It won't be that way, either in the village or at the hospital (s) where Mr in particular works or has worked in past.  Everyone will have an opinion, and not everyone will be backing Mr & Mrs.  They can dream on, on that one!
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Post by ChippyM 04.05.14 23:03

How many people outside forums like these would know about the what the Gaspars said? I can't imagine the the Gaspars would tell many people.
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Post by cockerspaniel 04.05.14 23:11

is this why the paynes were missing from the crimewatch reconstruction????

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Post by Woofer 04.05.14 23:32

TheTruthWillOut wrote:What really confuses me is why the Gaspar statement was ever handed over to the PJ from LP, albeit 6 months later, if the goal was to protect Mr and Mrs and/or others..

The only thing I can think of is the Gaspars threatened to go to the press?


Apparently the statements were in amongst some other papers sent to the PJ, as if someone at Leicester had slipped them in accidentally on purpose.
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Post by Woofer 04.05.14 23:35

ChippyM wrote:How many people outside forums like these would know about the what the Gaspars said? I can't imagine the the Gaspars would tell many people.

Maybe not, but the Social Services and the police would know - they must do - so why haven`t his kids been removed from him and why has he been allowed to carry on practising?
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Post by AndyB 05.05.14 10:22

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stillsloppingout wrote:Reading the transcript and reading between the lines , i have always in the back of my mind , assumed there was more to this case than a few doctors , [ allegedly swinging   neglecting the kids , over sedating one,  leading to death . ] Even though the powers that be would not like to see six GP's struck of at a stroke .

I have alluded in the past to what is the only occasion the establishment , shuts up shop and goes to great lengths to protect a person / persons  . Saville , Smith . allegedly Heath .  [ Hence why Kate stated Pedophiles had " Taken her from the offset " If the body had been discovered in the early day's , obvious signs of sexual abuse could be blamed away on a sex fiend , and not one of the group ] it all makes sense . 

GA is onto something with the DP accusations . and i think that is the real reason why the unprecedented protection , its not about them, its who they have  come across [ pardon the pun ] in there inner circle .

This is, and always has been of course, the explanation. People have asked why children would be taken on a 'swinging' holiday. Well... the explanation is obvious, only it is so difficult to actually state the words in their hideous and stark reality.

"A paedophile has taken her' and the governmental influences seen thence make perfect sense and only with this forbidden scenario. My own, probably unfounded,  opinion.
I don't think its unfounded at all and there are many people on the site who would agree but are unable to say so publicly due to our repressive libel laws. The only problem I have is linking a couple of average doctors (I'm thinking Payne and Gerry McCann, rather than the two McCanns) with the establishment paedophile ring. If we can do this everything is explained

Interestingly, I was discussing this with another forum member who, although unconvinced that paedophilia is at the heart of the whole affair, he is at least open minded to the possibility. He wrote to me with an interesting observation: "I twigged the other night that 10pm on May 3rd 2007 was the exact time that the polls were closing in a raft of elections across the UK , placing numerous connected people well away from the abduction with a great degree of certainty. Coincidence?". My initial reaction was that it was just a coincidence but now I'm not so sure. Suppose Madeleine had been made available to a politician. In the highly charged, maybe panicky atmosphere when the death is caused or discovered, there needs to be a date and time agreed that the faked abduction could be "discovered". The time the polls closed would be the first date and time that would occur to a politician. He doesn't have to be a prospective councillor, he could just as easily be in head office in charge of strategy say. Whatever, for a politician 10 pm on 3rd May 2007 was a significant date and time. The politician then runs away leaving The McCanns (and T7?) to put the meat on the bones of the abduction story while he arranges the cover up, which would've worked had it not been for two things: the internet and the Portuguese publishing the case files.

The other day I came across [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. The article itself is an old story but there's a comment by a Karen Handley that the blog owner seems to be treating as credible
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Post by Doug D 05.05.14 11:11

I must confess to having had similar thoughts AndyB, although without the 'election alibi' bit.

A while ago I did start a trawl through newspaper archives to try and see where various dubious politicians may have been in the days beforehand, but it was like searching for a needle in a haystack, with few politicians actually making the news on any day.

In any event, being only a couple of hours away, you could quite easily start and finish your day in the UK having spent a pretty full day out there and therefore manage to get a UK sighting in the papers.

However it is certainly something that Redwood and his team could manage, with access to parliamentary diaries, airline records, etc if they were minded (or allowed) to so do.
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The above is a link found on your very interesting article, AndyB. It doesn't make the connections we're looking for but it is a startling illustration of the foundations on which Gordon Brown's government was laid and an insight into the characters of Blair and Brown. A shocking betrayal of everything the party they infiltrated came to represent stood for. Absolutely despicable characters.

Could the connections we need be simply Masonic?  Or NHS/Nuclear Industry bigwigs? All with their own secrets and obligations of loyalty?

There have also been reports of numerous important people being present for whatever reason in PDL that week, although other than Margaret Hodges's nephew Philip Edmonds I have no names. Could someone who was involved with our doctor friends but of whom we have no knowledge of yet be crucial? There were, of course, the rumours of the Tapas 9 actually being more like the Tapas 11 or 12.

All speculation, I'm afraid.
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Post by AndyB 05.05.14 12:47

Dee Coy wrote:All speculation, I'm afraid.
Indeed it is and I doubt we'll ever be allowed to know what the connection is even if it exists. The link that you've posted is, I think, by this blogger, who has written some other interesting stuff in the past:
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Post by Snifferdog 05.05.14 14:09

Phillip Edmonds...a member of a very powerful and connected family... clapping

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