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Post by aquila on 25.04.14 8:45

I'm not a new member but as this is in the debate section for theories and I didn't know where else to post without opening a new topic I thought this might be a good thread.

Apologies if it's a long post, I've cut it to the minimum.

So what's in the mix?

I struggled to find a relevant heading for my post.

So far there is:

A missing child
A cry of abduction
Scotland Yard now looking for a lone paedophile operating in the Algarve

The McCanns received unprecedented assistance within hours of Madeleine's disappearance.

No-one knows why but many professionals swooped into PDL almost within the blink of an eye.

The choice of some of professions in the disappearance of Madeleine being

the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in extradition
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in money laundering
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in media/reputation management
the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in libel
the hiring of what turned out to be 'dodgy' private investigation companies

I haven't covered them all so feel free to add to the list.

What is unclear is who exactly recommended these professionals?

It all comes down to what's in the mix.

The following is all hypothetical:

No-one knows what business dealings were going on in PDL. For instance, property and related businesses such as golf courses perhaps offer a haven to money laundering.

Paedophilia is a rich man's game too and just to make Textusa's day so is swinging although the latter is not illegal.

Now hypothetically only, what if a child were to go missing, the merde hits the air conditioning, the media are everywhere within hours and the PJ start looking at who's who and delving into things that people who have possibly played no part at all in the disappearance of this child would rather not have poked at.

So who recommended all these professionals whose area of expertise doesn't seem entirely at one with the immediate needs of a family who've just lost their child to 'an abductor'. Wouldn't it be a good thing for a person/persons to offer immediate assistance with areas of expertise that are wholly applicable to themselves instead of the family whilst displaying incredible benevolence to this 'poor family of a missing child'?

It is only my opinion and has no basis in fact but if there is a person/group of persons who wish to control things and hide in plain sight this is a nifty solution.

I'm not usually given to theories. It's probably the first time I've posted in this way so please be gentle. I've tried to keep my post as short as possible.

For me this case all boils down to who's got what on who (or is that whom?) and that also includes the family of a missing child.

Just an observation.
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Post by russiandoll on 25.04.14 9:22

A very interesting post. Aquila, with much food for thought.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 11:54

Agreed. Promptly followed by an easy question. I've been struggling to remember for days why the cadaverine smelling chequered trousers became known as the Pants of Ganga. I'm sure the phrase arose during those early days of the DM forum but for the life of me can't remember why although I remember chuckling at the time.
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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 12:12

I've just looked up what "ganga" means (urban dictionary) but I'd better not mention it here!

I don't know how the term "pants of ganga" originated but I hope that someone else will.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 12:20

I thought aquila's post deserved a thread of its own rather than it getting buried in another topic.
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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 12:27

Can my pants of ganga question go back on the other thread? Don't want to be accused of derailing Aquila's very good question before this thread starts rolling.
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Post by Woofer on 25.04.14 12:50

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I've just looked up what "ganga" means (urban dictionary) but I'd better not mention it here!

I don't know how the term "pants of ganga" originated but I hope that someone else will.


I know Ganga is a fashion house, Indian I believe -

http://fashionganga.com/
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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 12:52

@Woofer wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I've just looked up what "ganga" means (urban dictionary) but I'd better not mention it here!

I don't know how the term "pants of ganga" originated but I hope that someone else will.


I know Ganga is a fashion house, Indian I believe -

http://fashionganga.com/

IIRC It originated from google or bablefish translations for jeans in various articles. It was from DM forum and then 3 Arguidos..
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Post by Woofer on 25.04.14 12:56

@ Aquila - "For me this case all boils down to who's got what on who (or is that whom?) and that also includes the family of a missing child."

Yep - its got to be.  Either GM`s got dirt on someone or someone`s got dirt on GM.

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Post by aquila on 25.04.14 13:05

snipped from my original post

the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in extradition
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in money laundering
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in media/reputation management
the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in libel
the hiring of what turned out to be 'dodgy' private investigation companies

Now imagine (and it's only imagination) that you have something to hide - whatever that something is. Imagine that you can hire lawyers to deal with all aspects of that and private investigators to supply you with information whilst it's all being done in the name of the parents of a missing child and you are benevolently helping them in their distress and you are helping to foot the bill.

Imagine that the people you may have recommended to the parents of a missing child are in fact law companies of whom you are already a high paying client.

Imagine that you can recommend how to set up a limited company instead of a fund and make things easier on the parents of a missing child. Imagine you can offer wonders beyond the belief of the parents of a missing child to show them how to 'fight back' and 'campaign' within days of their child's disappearance.

Imagine you can get some really good counselling for these parents, get them motivated, get them busy and in the media world.

Imagine you can get these parents really good roles as ambassadors or perhaps a place in politics.

Just imagine all that power. Then imagine how you can manipulate and withdraw your support at will.

Then REMEMBER a little three year old girl who is missing under this possible pile of deceit and lies.
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Post by diatribe on 25.04.14 13:33

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I've just looked up what "ganga" means (urban dictionary) but I'd better not mention it here!

I don't know how the term "pants of ganga" originated but I hope that someone else will.


I've removed your interpretation diatribe as it could be libellous but, yes, that is what I thought! NFWTD.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 15:27

I think Candyfloss is right. It came from an early translating tool. The other rather unfortunate definition seems to be a coincidence.
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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 19:59

@aquila wrote:snipped from my original post

the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in extradition
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in money laundering
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in media/reputation management
the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in libel
the hiring of what turned out to be 'dodgy' private investigation companies

Now imagine (and it's only imagination) that you have something to hide - whatever that something is. Imagine that you can hire lawyers to deal with all aspects of that and private investigators to supply you with information whilst it's all being done in the name of the parents of a missing child and you are benevolently helping them in their distress and you are helping to foot the bill.

Imagine that the people you may have recommended to the parents of a missing child are in fact law companies of whom you are already a high paying client.

Imagine that you can recommend how to set up a limited company instead of a fund and make things easier on the parents of a missing child. Imagine you can offer wonders beyond the belief of the parents of a missing child to show them how to 'fight back' and 'campaign' within days of their child's disappearance.

Imagine you can get some really good counselling for these parents, get them motivated, get them busy and in the media world.

Imagine you can get these parents really good roles as ambassadors or perhaps a place in politics.

Just imagine all that power. Then imagine how you can manipulate and withdraw your support at will.

Then REMEMBER a little three year old girl who is missing under this possible pile of deceit and lies.

I applaud you
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Post by Guest on 25.04.14 20:23

chilli wrote:I think Candyfloss is right. It came from an early translating tool. The other rather unfortunate definition seems to be a coincidence.

Yes, the same translation tool that described a certain person as a window washer  big grin 
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Post by littlepixie on 25.04.14 22:53

Washing windows is a very common occupation for Jehovahs Witnesses so I presume he was at some stage. So is selling and fitting double glazing funnily enough.
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Post by Guest on 26.04.14 0:00

After Candyfloss's kindly reminder, I can now remember where pants of ganga came from, but the window washer has completely passed me by. 

But let's get back on topic as Aquila has made a really good point that we need to consider. Are the McCann's merely pawns who have buggered up someone else's bigger game?

ETA to correct the tablet gremlin's spelling mistakes.
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Post by tigger on 21.05.14 19:36

@aquila wrote:I'm not a new member but as this is in the debate section for theories and I didn't know where else to post without opening a new topic I thought this might be a good thread.

Apologies if it's a long post, I've cut it to the minimum.

So what's in the mix?

I struggled to find a relevant heading for my post.

So far there is:

A missing child
A cry of abduction
Scotland Yard now looking for a lone paedophile operating in the Algarve

The McCanns received unprecedented assistance within hours of Madeleine's disappearance.

No-one knows why but many professionals swooped into PDL almost within the blink of an eye.

The choice of some of professions in the disappearance of Madeleine being

the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in extradition
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in money laundering
the hiring of professionals whose expertise lies in media/reputation management
the hiring of lawyers whose expertise lies in libel
the hiring of what turned out to be 'dodgy' private investigation companies

I haven't covered them all so feel free to add to the list.

What is unclear is who exactly recommended these professionals?

It all comes down to what's in the mix.

The following is all hypothetical:

No-one knows what business dealings were going on in PDL. For instance, property and related businesses such as golf courses perhaps offer a haven to money laundering.

Paedophilia is a rich man's game too and just to make Textusa's day so is swinging although the latter is not illegal.

Now hypothetically only, what if a child were to go missing, the merde hits the air conditioning, the media are everywhere within hours and the PJ start looking at who's who and delving into things that people who have possibly played no part at all in the disappearance of this child would rather not have poked at.

So who recommended all these professionals whose area of expertise doesn't seem entirely at one with the immediate needs of a family who've just lost their child to 'an abductor'. Wouldn't it be a good thing for a person/persons to offer immediate assistance with areas of expertise that are wholly applicable to themselves instead of the family whilst displaying incredible benevolence to this 'poor family of a missing child'?

It is only my opinion and has no basis in fact but if there is a person/group of persons who wish to control things and hide in plain sight this is a nifty solution.

I'm not usually given to theories. It's probably the first time I've posted in this way so please be gentle. I've tried to keep my post as short as possible.n

For me this case all boils down to who's got what on who (or is that whom?) and that also includes the family of a missing child.

Just an observation.

Perhaps this could do with another airing, and as for Aquila's temporary absence we can take comfort she is getting treatment on a date set some time ago so at least it's not an emergency.

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Post by Woofer on 21.05.14 22:24

@ Aquila - "What is unclear is who exactly recommended these professionals?"

Wasn`t it the Ocean Club?

@ Aquila - "For me this case all boils down to who's got what on who (or is that whom?) and that also includes the family of a missing child.   So right - surely it can only be that.

Imagine if it had been a less upwardly mobile couple with their family whose child had gone missing. Would they have got that list of influential people rushing to their side?
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Post by HelenMeg on 21.05.14 22:46

Throw also in to the mix a very strange mix of people holidaying at low season at a very mediocre resort in PdL.  Unlikely people - I mean low cheap season at Ocean Club- who would you expect to find?
Families looking for a cheap half term break, not particularly well -off. Looking for childcare and a break at reasonable cost.

But who is actually there?
- P Edmonds - board member of multi nat company
 - doctors
 -film / media people


I am imagining all those things that you suggested - all that power - but it surely was not just one person who had the power to influence things to such a degree.
Surely not. I think it must have been a bunch of people who decided how things would go after M's death.

How did she die?
Why was her death covered up?
Why has noone exposed the cover up or broken ranks?

If they denied their daughter a decent death it had to be because noone wanted her death exposed, for whatever reason. Was she abused? or would the revelation that she had died expose
something else that was going on ?
What do scandals normally involve? Money / sex  - it has to be based on money and / or sex

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Post by AndyB on 22.05.14 8:44

@HelenMeg wrote:Why has noone exposed the cover up or broken ranks?
Because the consequences of doing so are so severe that they dare not. This for me is one of the keys to the whole thing and one of the reasons that I don't believe the swinging theory. The consequences of it being discovered that they were all swinging just wouldn't be anywhere near severe enough for the cover-up to even start and its certainly not enough to involve the establishment. Besides, even if true, the fact that they were swinging is irrelevent to Madeleine's demise. At best its just another reason to explain neglect but as they're happy to admit that then I don't see how swinging could be relevant. "We left the kids alone while we went off having sex with each other" is hardly worse than "we left the kids alone while we went out for a meal and to get lashed".

@HelenMeg wrote:If they denied their daughter a decent death it had to be because noone wanted her death exposed, for whatever reason. Was she abused? or would the revelation that she had died expose something else that was going on ?
I'm pretty much with you here but maybe her death on its own wouldn't have revealed a big secret. Perhaps the manner of her death would and that therefore an autopsy was to be avoided at all costs.

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Post by Guest on 22.05.14 9:54

@Woofer wrote:@ Aquila - "What is unclear is who exactly recommended these professionals?"

Wasn`t it the Ocean Club?

@ Aquila - "For me this case all boils down to who's got what on who (or is that whom?) and that also includes the family of a missing child.   So right - surely it can only be that.

Imagine if it had been a less upwardly mobile couple with their family whose child had gone missing. Would they have got that list of influential people rushing to their side?

For me it boils down to less than that, it simply boils down to Kate & Gerry McCann.

One, the other or both of them did something, either accidentally or on purpose, that ultimately lead to Madeleine's demise.

Everything else spins out from that.
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Post by HelenMeg on 22.05.14 10:09

@AndyB wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Why has noone exposed the cover up or broken ranks?
Because the consequences of doing so are so severe that they dare not. This for me is one of the keys to the whole thing and one of the reasons that I don't believe the swinging theory. The consequences of it being discovered that they were all swinging just wouldn't be anywhere near severe enough for the cover-up to even start and its certainly not enough to involve the establishment. Besides, even if true, the fact that they were swinging is irrelevent to Madeleine's demise. At best its just another reason to explain neglect but as they're happy to admit that then I don't see how swinging could be relevant. "We left the kids alone while we went off having sex with each other" is hardly worse than "we left the kids alone while we went out for a meal and to get lashed".

@HelenMeg wrote:If they denied their daughter a decent death it had to be because noone wanted her death exposed, for whatever reason. Was she abused? or would the revelation that she had died expose something else that was going on ?
I'm pretty much with you here but maybe her death on its own wouldn't have revealed a big secret. Perhaps the manner of her death would and that therefore an autopsy was to be avoided at all costs.
I think that yes, the manner of her death was such that if it got in the news, it would potentially highlight  whatever else was going on that week. (whatever that was, whether swinging / drugs / paedophilia etc etc ).

I think your answer to my question of why hasn't someone exposed things or broken ranks " because the consequences of breaking rank are so severe that they dare not" is interesting.
If someone dared to break ranks would the consequence to that individual be severe through what they were linked with, or what might be done to them? Just trying to imagine potential scenarios..

Also interested to know what you think may have brought these individuals to Ocean Club resort in May 2007? Or do you think they were just there for a relatively cheap holiday?  If not something such as swinging then what other ideas?  Do you think it is sex-related in some way?

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Post by AndyB on 22.05.14 10:28

@HelenMeg wrote:If someone dared to break ranks would the consequence to that individual be severe through what they were linked with, or what might be done to them? Just trying to imagine potential scenarios..

Also interested to know what you think may have brought these individuals to Ocean Club resort in May 2007? Or do you think they were just there for a relatively cheap holiday?  If not something such as swinging then what other ideas?  Do you think it is sex-related in some way?
Again, you're asking the key questions, the answers to which, I believe, will explain a lot of the things that are currently unknown to us. Unfortunately I'm like everyone else, I don't know the answers

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Post by Guest on 22.05.14 10:41

@AndyB wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:If someone dared to break ranks would the consequence to that individual be severe through what they were linked with, or what might be done to them? Just trying to imagine potential scenarios..

Also interested to know what you think may have brought these individuals to Ocean Club resort in May 2007? Or do you think they were just there for a relatively cheap holiday?  If not something such as swinging then what other ideas?  Do you think it is sex-related in some way?
Again, you're asking the key questions, the answers to which, I believe, will explain a lot of the things that are currently unknown to us. Unfortunately I'm like everyone else, I don't know the answers

Indeed, to properly answer the question you would need to know what kind of individuals usually holidayed in PdL. We know some of the high profile individuals who chose to make their (second) homes there or near there. I wonder how many people, even those with an interest in the case, even appreciate where Luz is, and what a trial it would have been to get there prior to the construction of modern road links etc. I've made no secret of my belief that the whole place was conceived and developed as a spot for a bit of out of sight, out of mind holiday fun. Could be completely wrong though.
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Post by HelenMeg on 22.05.14 12:32

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@AndyB wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:If someone dared to break ranks would the consequence to that individual be severe through what they were linked with, or what might be done to them? Just trying to imagine potential scenarios..

Also interested to know what you think may have brought these individuals to Ocean Club resort in May 2007? Or do you think they were just there for a relatively cheap holiday?  If not something such as swinging then what other ideas?  Do you think it is sex-related in some way?
Again, you're asking the key questions, the answers to which, I believe, will explain a lot of the things that are currently unknown to us. Unfortunately I'm like everyone else, I don't know the answers

Indeed, to properly answer the question you would need to know what kind of individuals usually holidayed in PdL. We know some of the high profile individuals who chose to make their (second) homes there or near there. I wonder how many people, even those with an interest in the case, even appreciate where Luz is, and what a trial it would have been to get there prior to the construction of modern road links etc. I've made no secret of my belief that the whole place was conceived and developed as a spot for a bit of out of sight, out of mind holiday fun. Could be completely wrong though.
I also think that is the case but many do not - and I am interested in their thoughts and opinion on other explanations for why these people were there at that time.  Of course, it could just be a coincidence and all these people were there to enjoy a low-cost out of season break by the beach with childcare... but to me that seems very improbable.  Actually, I think they were all enticed there to participate in a week of adult fun  (whatever that was and I am not entirely sure) in order that they would invest in the new luxury apartment developments that surround the golf courses. This would explain the Leicester / business / golf connections and emphasis.
So for me it is a money / sex combination that got everyone there that week.. winkwink

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