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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 17.01.14 20:31

I sincerely hope this little boy is found safe and well. However, I cannot help having that awful feeling things may take a horrible turn. I would seem as though the reporting is attempting to be uber responsible, but in being so arouses my suspicions somehow. I pray I am wrong.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.14 20:35

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I'm a pedant I know.  I just get upset when Americanisms find their way into the English language
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Do you think I would be upset IF you would use Dutch as a foreign language to debate, yet would insert some Flemish or German expressions .... ?

I do find it rather offensive, when the use of ENGLISH is criticised - especially when the British themselves make so many mistakes ...

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Post by Guest on 17.01.14 20:38

aquila wrote:
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@Letterwriter wrote:911 call Hobs?

I know Scotland has, for a long time, been very prepped for a breakaway from the UK with its own Scots branded institutions for everything from "Police Scotland" (as opposed to "the police") and the SPCA for animals but I'm not sure they've gone as far as replacing 999 with 911.

I'm a pedant I know.  I just get upset when Americanisms find their way into the English language
My apologies letterwriter.

I however work for an American online company and have done for the las 13 years, i do  type American, skipping the letter U and using Americanismas as you put it.

The people i work for are American, the people i work with are predominantly American, the public i deal with although worldwide are predominantly American.

I use American words as it's something i have been using for the last 13 years, the same as ex[ats use local langauage from whatever country they are living in. I also date things backwards, again as it is something i have been doing for so long.

it also means that when i refer to an emergency number if will more likely than not use 911 not only because of my job, but as a statement analyst student it is something i have been exposed to over the years.

it doesn't help that i pick up accents  and languages quickly.

I am sorry you get upset when Mmericanisms enter the English language given that there is no such thing and an English language per se.

English is a polyglot language made up of many words from many countries over the centuries either from being  invaded, doing the invading, colonisation and general pack the bags dear let's go for a walk on the wild side.

Who knows, maybe Scotland could go and use 911 or any other number of emergency numbers used around the world as , after all they would be independant. :)

 have a nice day high5
This is way off topic.

It's interesting though and perhaps the Mods could move it to a relevant topic.

You are right though Hobs. I can't remember which one, but one of the police outside the station did say something along the lines of "if you can't remember the information line number, call 911.
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Post by ultimaThule on 17.01.14 20:40

@Hobs wrote:

If we are looking back as far as christmas then i would ask what prompted them to report him missing now rather than earlier.
What has changed in their reality to prompt the report?

It is not unknown, and i am aware of several cases where a child has been reported missing by a non family memmber or a family member not living in the household as they haven/t seen or heard from said child in weeks/months or years.
The immediate family has been forced to file a missing persons report themselves as questions have been asked and investigations started.
It has turned out the family has moved repeatedly and the new neighbors don't even know they had said missing child.
You cannot report someone missing if you don't know they exist.

It usually ends up the child is long dead and their remains have turned up at an old residence , or in once case, hauled around in a box and reburied at each move.

I would love to hear dull statements from the parents and family members and the 911 call to report him missing.


 PS please excuse my tupos i am full of flu and what looks loke an sinus infection ugh i blame my meds and so do mu cats
If something untoward has happened to this child at the hands of a family member, or members, I question why the mother has chosen to report him missing full stop.  

There are numerous examples of non-British families taking their children out of school during term time without penalty to make lengthy trips back to their homelands for some reason or other and, in the case of a pre-school child, I very much doubt that anyone would have made enquiries if it were claimed his/her other parent had taken him/her to their home country to meet grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. 

It's long been my belief that children, particularly those having connections to Africa and the sub-continent and now extended to eastern european countries, slip 'off the books' in numbers which would shock if their arrival/entry and departure from these shores were monitored and recorded properly.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 17.01.14 20:43

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Hobs wrote:

If we are looking back as far as christmas then i would ask what prompted them to report him missing now rather than earlier.
What has changed in their reality to prompt the report?

It is not unknown, and i am aware of several cases where a child has been reported missing by a non family memmber or a family member not living in the household as they haven/t seen or heard from said child in weeks/months or years.
The immediate family has been forced to file a missing persons report themselves as questions have been asked and investigations started.
It has turned out the family has moved repeatedly and the new neighbors don't even know they had said missing child.
You cannot report someone missing if you don't know they exist.

It usually ends up the child is long dead and their remains have turned up at an old residence , or in once case, hauled around in a box and reburied at each move.

I would love to hear dull statements from the parents and family members and the 911 call to report him missing.


 PS please excuse my tupos i am full of flu and what looks loke an sinus infection ugh i blame my meds and so do mu cats
If something untoward has happened to this child at the hands of a family member, or members, I question why the mother has chosen to report him missing full stop.  

There are numerous examples of non-British families taking their children out of school during term time without penalty to make lengthy trips back to their homelands for some reason or other and, in the case of a pre-school child, I very much doubt that anyone would have made enquiries if it were claimed his/her other parent had taken him/her to their home country to meet grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. 

It's long been my belief that children, particularly those having connections to Africa and the sub-continent and now extended to eastern european countries, slip 'off the books' in numbers which would shock if their arrival/entry and departure from these shores were monitored and recorded properly.

< Hands Hobs kettle of boiling water (easy on the handle there!), fresh lemon juice, honey, and treble tot of whisky - it might not cure your 'flu but you'll feel better after you've drunk it   winkwink   >

Perhaps, if this is the case, it had gone past the point of concealing his absence?

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.01.14 20:48

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:< snip>
Perhaps, if this is the case, it had gone past the point of concealing his absence?
After just a couple of weeks?  I wouldn't have thought so.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 17.01.14 20:51

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:< snip>
Perhaps, if this is the case, it had gone past the point of concealing his absence?
After just a couple of weeks?  I wouldn't have thought so.
Depends how it's panned out. I don't really wish to speculate TBH, but if the nursery had called to see if everything was OK for example? I just get a bad feeling, though I really hope it turns out OK.

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Post by Hobs on 17.01.14 20:55

Ta  Ultima Thule.

I promise all my posts are done with sanitisec fingers and hardly any dribbbling.

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.01.14 21:03

I believe you, honey - but you can keep the kettle  big grin
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Post by Letterwriter on 17.01.14 21:07

I'm sorry Hobs.  That was rather unecessary of me.
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Post by Guest on 17.01.14 21:12

@Letterwriter wrote:I'm sorry Hobs.  That was rather unecessary of me.
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Shouldn't that be  unnecessary ...?
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Post by Julchen on 17.01.14 21:15

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:< snip>
Perhaps, if this is the case, it had gone past the point of concealing his absence?
After just a couple of weeks?  I wouldn't have thought so.
Depends how it's panned out. I don't really wish to speculate TBH, but if the nursery had called to see if everything was OK for example? I just get a bad feeling, though I really hope it turns out OK.

Or somebody's started to put pressure on her?

I dread the candles and tattoos(and hope I won't have to endure them with this poor boy) but why hasn't she spoken to the public like e.g. April Jones' parents did. Heart-breaking as their appeal was it was to me in a way proof of their genuine grief and worries.
Being told by some police spokeswoman that the mother is distressed is one thing. But even the definition of distressed can vary.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.14 21:22

It looks like they have the mother on the front page of Daily Mail...........


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Post by Daisy on 17.01.14 21:31

aquila wrote:
@Hobs wrote:
@Letterwriter wrote:911 call Hobs?

I know Scotland has, for a long time, been very prepped for a breakaway from the UK with its own Scots branded institutions for everything from "Police Scotland" (as opposed to "the police") and the SPCA for animals but I'm not sure they've gone as far as replacing 999 with 911.

I'm a pedant I know.  I just get upset when Americanisms find their way into the English language
My apologies letterwriter.

I however work for an American online company and have done for the las 13 years, i do  type American, skipping the letter U and using Americanismas as you put it.

The people i work for are American, the people i work with are predominantly American, the public i deal with although worldwide are predominantly American.

I use American words as it's something i have been using for the last 13 years, the same as ex[ats use local langauage from whatever country they are living in. I also date things backwards, again as it is something i have been doing for so long.

it also means that when i refer to an emergency number if will more likely than not use 911 not only because of my job, but as a statement analyst student it is something i have been exposed to over the years.

it doesn't help that i pick up accents  and languages quickly.

I am sorry you get upset when Mmericanisms enter the English language given that there is no such thing and an English language per se.

English is a polyglot language made up of many words from many countries over the centuries either from being  invaded, doing the invading, colonisation and general pack the bags dear let's go for a walk on the wild side.

Who knows, maybe Scotland could go and use 911 or any other number of emergency numbers used around the world as , after all they would be independant. :)

 have a nice day high5
This is way off topic.

It's interesting though and perhaps the Mods could move it to a relevant topic.
Please Mods? It could make for some quite interesting conversation.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.01.14 21:35

FROM THE BBC TONIGHT

TIMELINE


2100: Mikaeel is last seen going to bed at home in Ferry Gait Crescent, Edinburgh

0715: Mikaeel's mother discovers he is missing from his bed


REPLY: How likely?

0830: Witnesses driving down West Pilton Gardens see a young boy running along the street

0900: Police Scotland announce they have launched a search for the boy in the Drylaw area. Officers are assisted by a police helicopter

1430: Coastguard teams and lifeboats search the shoreline in the Cramond an Drylaw area

1600: A dedicated telephone line is established as part of a Child Rescue Alert, supported by all police forces across the UK

1630: People asked to urgently check all property including gardens, outbuildings, garages, sheds and vehicles

2100: A new image of missing Mikaeel is released, showing beige jacket he was believed to be wearing when he disappeared

Overnight: Neighbours and the emergency services search through the night for the child

0700: Supt McAinsh says there has been a "fantastic" response from the public. It emerges that more than 150 calls have been made to the helpline

1000: Hundreds of people gather at the North Neighbourhood Centre in West Pilton Gardens to help search

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Post by truthfultiger on 17.01.14 21:46

Re the nursery, although nursery attendance isn't mandatory, if a child hadn't attended in a while the nursery would definitely be contacting the parents to check whether the child was coming back. There it's a lot of pressure on nursery spaces (especially ones run by local authorities which by the sounds of it this one is, being attached to a school) and staff would need to know whether to give the place away. Also under child protection procedures and concern for the child, staff may (and should have) been asking for more information about his absence. Additionally, if what the neighbour said is true re mum not coming hone and police being called, it is likely that there is already some sort of child protection involvement in place.

However at the moment I would much prefer to Hope that the dad or other relative has taken him away as that would give the greatest chance for the wee boy just now.
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Post by Hopespringseternal on 17.01.14 21:56

EdinburghPolice@EdinburghPolice 2 hrs
#MikaeelKular Specialist search dogs will also be deployed tomorrow and so it is asked that volunteers leave their own pets at home.


I presume from this that they have increased the number of search dogs in the pool so that they can extend the search area. Dogs can only work for so long before requiring to be rested (give their wee noses a break) hence handlers often work 2 in rotation. Others, like Eddie and Keela are trained in scents which are linked and so work in pairs for that reason, not purely for rest purposes.
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Post by Daisy on 17.01.14 22:09

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Hobs wrote:

If we are looking back as far as christmas then i would ask what prompted them to report him missing now rather than earlier.
What has changed in their reality to prompt the report?

It is not unknown, and i am aware of several cases where a child has been reported missing by a non family memmber or a family member not living in the household as they haven/t seen or heard from said child in weeks/months or years.
The immediate family has been forced to file a missing persons report themselves as questions have been asked and investigations started.
It has turned out the family has moved repeatedly and the new neighbors don't even know they had said missing child.
You cannot report someone missing if you don't know they exist.

It usually ends up the child is long dead and their remains have turned up at an old residence , or in once case, hauled around in a box and reburied at each move.

I would love to hear dull statements from the parents and family members and the 911 call to report him missing.


 PS please excuse my tupos i am full of flu and what looks loke an sinus infection ugh i blame my meds and so do mu cats
If something untoward has happened to this child at the hands of a family member, or members, I question why the mother has chosen to report him missing full stop.  

There are numerous examples of non-British families taking their children out of school during term time without penalty to make lengthy trips back to their homelands for some reason or other and, in the case of a pre-school child, I very much doubt that anyone would have made enquiries if it were claimed his/her other parent had taken him/her to their home country to meet grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. 

It's long been my belief that children, particularly those having connections to Africa and the sub-continent and now extended to eastern european countries, slip 'off the books' in numbers which would shock if their arrival/entry and departure from these shores were monitored and recorded properly.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.14 22:14

That photo of Mikaeel's mother in tomorrow's Daily Mail is clearly not one taken since his disappearance was reported. It's strange that there have as yet been no photos or press conferences.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 17.01.14 22:42

@truthfultiger wrote:Re the nursery, although nursery attendance isn't mandatory, if a child hadn't attended in a while the nursery would definitely be contacting the parents to check whether the child was coming back. There it's a lot of pressure on nursery spaces (especially ones run by local authorities which by the sounds of it this one is, being attached to a school) and staff would need to know whether to give the place away. Also under child protection procedures and concern for the child, staff may (and should have) been asking for more information about his absence. Additionally, if what the neighbour said is true re mum not coming hone and police being called, it is likely that there is already some sort of child protection involvement in place.

However at the moment I would much prefer to Hope that the dad or other relative has taken him away as that would give the greatest chance for the wee boy just now.

Interesting information, thanks truthfultiger

Good point about police already having prior involvement with the family

The police do seem to be giving little information away, possibly as a result of previous cases which have quickly got out of hand with the media

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Post by Hobs on 17.01.14 22:59

Wan't there a matching toaster to go with the kettle hint Hint.

Hot choc with a heft slosh of mint baileys id foing wown well right now   gm

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.01.14 23:55

Kiesha Weippeart (Abrahams) -------Kristi Anne Abrahams?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.01.14 0:02

candyfloss wrote:Sun launches £25,000 appeal


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News International owner of---------------------Sun and ex NOTW.

£25,000 reward for 3 year old 'Pakistani' boy.

£1.5 MILLION reward for 3 year old white girl.

SIXTY (60) times as much.

Not racist, just saying.
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Post by jozi on 18.01.14 0:03

@jeanmonroe wrote:Kiesha Weippeart (Abrahams) -------Kristi Anne Abrahams?

Jean ??? I am lost give us another chance ???
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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.01.14 0:07

@jozi wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Kiesha Weippeart (Abrahams) -------Kristi Anne Abrahams?

Jean ??? I am lost give us another chance ???

Google it .

No school attendance.
Bed at 9
'missing' next morning.
pyjamas.
Mother charged, year later after media circus, T-Shirts, 'fund' etc.

R.I.P. Kiesha xx.
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