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Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Guest on 27.02.14 20:48

So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
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Post by Woofer on 27.02.14 21:39

@NickE wrote:Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja

Date/Time: 2007/05/08 21H10
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After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else. 
. A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location; 
. Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples; 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Thanks for resurrecting this statement NickE.  When I read it before I did not notice that he said three couples at the table.  This was at about 9.15 as he was parking his car at 9.10. So he must have been in the same road at the same time as GM, JT & JW.   He had noticed a blue Ford Focus parked outside on his arrival but it was gone when he left at 9.40.  Yes, he heard the kerfuffle at 9.20.
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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by NickE on 27.02.14 21:40

@Portia wrote:So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
A fake abduction that went wrong somewhere.

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Hicks on 27.02.14 21:56

@Portia wrote:So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
All you need to do is look at the eyes at 0.50. Truly windows to the soul.
First interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKS6HnTKOM.
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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by petunia on 27.02.14 23:16

As people were aware i was doing checks on a regular basis.On what..????

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Guest on 28.02.14 7:32

@travis macbickle wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@kimHager wrote:So.. I believe yes Gerry and Kate were together hence the "when we found her"comment they made in one interview I remember. I didn't know there was another Madeleine there that week?  **could she be one of the look alikes that didn't look alike? **sorry I'm just sorting it out in my head
Are you sure there was 'another' child called Madeleine? never knew that.
There was a day early on in the week that Madeleine was signed into the crèche for 15 minutes only, in the afternoon. What day was that?
Could this be the day that the McCann's needed to use a substitute?
Why bother to take M to the crèche for only 15 minutes?
madelene r????r,friend of elizabeth naylor. it was  the afternoon of monday 30th april.maybe she was having a tantrum.maybe dp wanted to see her!


So if Madelene R, friend of Elizabeth N, was a substitute then somebody agreed to this substitution.  Was she holidaying with the Naylors, or was she with her own family in PdL.  Who are MR's parents?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 28.02.14 17:25

LadyinRed: I know who MR's parents are. They are not on the OC guest lists. I'm not sure if her parents were supposed to be on holiday there with her in PDL (if so, where?) or if MR was even definitely there herself?
Has kiko or anyone else suggested where MR's parents were during that week?
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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by ultimaThule on 28.02.14 18:10

@Portia wrote:So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
There can be no reason whatsoever for GM/KH not to report an accidental death, even if such event had not been discovered for hours or the child had 'accidentally' swallowed an overdose of sleeping tablets or similar.

However, if Madeleine's death was caused by non-accidental injury the McCanns would have reason to conceal her body.
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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Guest on 28.02.14 18:44

@Lance De Boils wrote:LadyinRed: I know who MR's parents are. They are not on the OC guest lists. I'm not sure if her parents were supposed to be on holiday there with her in PDL (if so, where?) or if MR was even definitely there herself?
Has kiko or anyone else suggested where MR's parents were during that week?

Lance De Boils, I now know the names of the parents.  It seems the parents were at PdL but not at the OC. I've just finished reading all of kikoraton's posts on this forum, which run to 22 pages, but have not yet read the discussions on the threads.  It's a compelling and affecting read.

Thanks, Russiandoll.
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Post by Watching on 28.02.14 19:23

@Hicks wrote:
@Portia wrote:So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
All you need to do is look at the eyes at 0.50. Truly windows to the soul.
First interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKS6HnTKOM.

A bit of a lazy eye there too!   But yes, as guilty as sin!   So losing his daughter, the emotions of those first days - comparable to his student days when he went to the bank and discovered his student funds had dried up, an empty tank!

Can you imagine how he'll feel then if the Madeleine Fund dries up - the guy will be suicidal.     He is one cold bas - tard.   And Mrs is plain bonkers!  But even back then they were not answering a straight question with a straight answer, always ducking & diving, avoidance down to a fine art.

To see all of these video/televised interviews brought together in one long piece of footage would be interesting, would be very long, but interesting, viewing them in this way would allow the public to see what Mr & Mrs are really like.  It would allow too the lies, and  differences in their stories from interview to interview to be easily identified.   Most of public probably see only a snippet here or there if even. 

On less serious note, any movie with Mr & Mrs would need to come with a warning - movie certification would be required for any film featuring two dodgy doctors & their mates?

Any suggestions for movie title & certification?

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Guest on 28.02.14 19:43

"Not without our daughter"
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Post by travis macbickle on 28.02.14 20:35

@Watching wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Portia wrote:So, if an accident had happened to Maddie, then GM/KH would have reported it. They say. And I fully believe them

This means that, whatever happened to the child, it in all likelihood, was not regarded by them as an accident

So what was it?
All you need to do is look at the eyes at 0.50. Truly windows to the soul.
First interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKS6HnTKOM.

A bit of a lazy eye there too!   But yes, as guilty as sin!   So losing his daughter, the emotions of those first days - comparable to his student days when he went to the bank and discovered his student funds had dried up, an empty tank!

Can you imagine how he'll feel then if the Madeleine Fund dries up - the guy will be suicidal.     He is one cold bas - tard.   And Mrs is plain bonkers!  But even back then they were not answering a straight question with a straight answer, always ducking & diving, avoidance down to a fine art.

To see all of these video/televised interviews brought together in one long piece of footage would be interesting, would be very long, but interesting, viewing them in this way would allow the public to see what Mr & Mrs are really like.  It would allow too the lies, and  differences in their stories from interview to interview to be easily identified.   Most of public probably see only a snippet here or there if even. 

On less serious note, any movie with Mr & Mrs would need to come with a warning - movie certification would be required for any film featuring two dodgy doctors & their mates?

Any suggestions for movie title & certification?
this interview is brilliant evidence for the prosecution when judgement day comes.blatant lie upon lie.

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Post by travis macbickle on 28.02.14 20:37

catch us if you can!

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Post by Guest on 28.02.14 20:45

@Watching wrote:
Can you imagine how he'll feel then if the Madeleine Fund dries up - the guy will be suicidal.     He is one cold bas - tard.   And Mrs is plain bonkers!  But even back then they were not answering a straight question with a straight answer, always ducking & diving, avoidance down to a fine art.
 
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On less serious note, any movie with Mr & Mrs would need to come with a warning - movie certification would be required for any film featuring two dodgy doctors & their mates?

Any suggestions for movie title & certification?

Overdraft - drawing everything back to zero and beyond...
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Post by Watching on 01.03.14 8:09

LOL folks and not a 'Home Alone' or PG (Parental Guidance) Certificate in sight!


PORTIA

'Not Without My Daughter'


TRAVIS MACKBICKLE

'Catch Us if You Can'


MILLIE

'Overdraft' - drawing everything back to zero and beyond


My contribution - 'Look Who's Lying'  - filmed on location Portugal Portimao Police office & starring the McFukcing Tossers. -  TBC

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Post by Guest on 01.03.14 8:13

@Watching wrote:
Any suggestions for movie title

"The Greatest Story Never Told"
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Why so many falsehoods ?

Post by PeterMac on 01.03.14 8:21

Why is it that so many statements of importance to this case as recounted by the McCanns, the Tapas group or by Mitchell have been proved to be wrong.

entered by the front door using his key  ................ NO YOU DIDN’T
like dining in your own back garden   .....................NO IT WASN’T
you could see the apartment from the Tapas bar   ..NO YOU COULDN’T
Madeleine played mini tennis on Thursday .............NO SHE DIDN”T
there were checks every 30 minutes ......................NO THERE WERE NOT
Jane pushed past the men on the pavement   ........NO SHE DIDN’T
Jane saw a man carrying Madeleine   ....................NO SHE DIDN’T
the bedroom door slammed in a gust of wind   ........NO IT DIDN’T
The curtains “whooshed “  .................................... NO THEY DIDN’T
The shutters were smashed ..................................NO THEY WERE NOT
Dogs are notoriously unreliable   ............................NO THEY ARE NOT
Dogs merely react to handlers’ cues   ....................NO THEY DO NOT
We handed over our camers to the PJ   .................NO YOU DID NOT
The Last Photo was taken at 2:29 3/5/7   ...............NO IT WAS NOT

and so on
In many cases the “proof’ of the false nature of these statements has in fact come  from the person who made the first statement, in others from members of the group.
In other cases we can rely on police photos of the scene.

This must be some sort of record.

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by Guest on 01.03.14 8:26

@PeterMac wrote:Why is it that so many statements of importance to this case as recounted by the McCanns, the Tapas group or by Mitchell have been proved to be wrong.

entered by the front door using his key  ................ NO YOU DIDN’T
like dining in your own back garden   .....................NO IT WASN’T
you could see the apartment from the Tapas bar   ..NO YOU COULDN’T
Madeleine played mini tennis on Thursday .............NO SHE DIDN”T
there were checks every 30 minutes ......................NO THERE WERE NOT
Jane pushed past the men on the pavement   ........NO SHE DIDN’T
Jane saw a man carrying Madeleine   ....................NO SHE DIDN’T
the bedroom door slammed in a gust of wind   ........NO IT DIDN’T
The curtains “whooshed “  .................................... NO THEY DIDN’T
The shutters were smashed ..................................NO THEY WERE NOT
Dogs are notoriously unreliable   ............................NO THEY ARE NOT
Dogs merely react to handlers’ cues   ....................NO THEY DO NOT
We handed over our camers to the PJ   .................NO YOU DID NOT
The Last Photo was taken at 2:29 3/5/7   ...............NO IT WAS NOT

and so on
In many cases the “proof’ of the false nature of these statements has in fact come  from the person who made the first statement, in others from members of the group.
In other cases we can rely on police photos of the scene.

This must be some sort of record.

They still have their liberty Peter so it's obviously not the worst strategy ever adopted.
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Post by sharonl on 01.03.14 8:32

@PeterMac wrote:Why is it that so many statements of importance to this case as recounted by the McCanns, the Tapas group or by Mitchell have been proved to be wrong.

entered by the front door using his key  ................ NO YOU DIDN’T
like dining in your own back garden   .....................NO IT WASN’T
you could see the apartment from the Tapas bar   ..NO YOU COULDN’T
Madeleine played mini tennis on Thursday .............NO SHE DIDN”T
there were checks every 30 minutes ......................NO THERE WERE NOT
Jane pushed past the men on the pavement   ........NO SHE DIDN’T
Jane saw a man carrying Madeleine   ....................NO SHE DIDN’T
the bedroom door slammed in a gust of wind   ........NO IT DIDN’T
The curtains “whooshed “  .................................... NO THEY DIDN’T
The shutters were smashed ..................................NO THEY WERE NOT
Dogs are notoriously unreliable   ............................NO THEY ARE NOT
Dogs merely react to handlers’ cues   ....................NO THEY DO NOT
We handed over our camers to the PJ   .................NO YOU DID NOT
The Last Photo was taken at 2:29 3/5/7   ...............NO IT WAS NOT

and so on
In many cases the “proof’ of the false nature of these statements has in fact come  from the person who made the first statement, in others from members of the group.
In other cases we can rely on police photos of the scene.

This must be some sort of record.


Madeleine disappeared whilst her parents ate at a nearby restaurant ..................... NO SHE DIDN'T

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Post by canada12 on 01.03.14 9:07

Madeleine has a very distinctive coloboma..................NO SHE DIDN'T

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Re: Was Kate alone when she discovered Madeleine Missing?

Post by aiyoyo on 01.03.14 10:02

@Cristobell wrote:
@Hicks wrote:I believe Kate made a Freudian slip when she stated that," the Portuguese don't want a *murder* investigation in Portugal" during an interview not long after Madeleine went missing.

I don't believe it was accident. An accident would not have had them going to such lengths to conceal the body. In my opinion.



And Gerry said 'And if it was an accident, why wouldn't we report it'.  Indeed Gerry.  

So we have Kate mentioning Murder and Gerry mentioning it wasn't accident or they would have reported it.
He did not say she did not have an accident so we can't say it for him...(learned from Hobs).
No wonder Grange includes murder squad in their team.
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Post by sami on 01.03.14 10:09

@aiyoyo wrote:
So we have Kate mentioning Murder and Gerry mentioning it wasn't accident or they would have reported it.
He did not say she did not have an accident so we can't say it for him...(learned from Hobs).
No wonder Grange includes murder squad in their team.


Add to that Rachel's resuscitation comment and the hiding of tennis racquets in a bag reference and there is quite a picture.

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Post by aiyoyo on 01.03.14 10:26

@sami wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
So we have Kate mentioning Murder and Gerry mentioning it wasn't accident or they would have reported it.
He did not say she did not have an accident so we can't say it for him...(learned from Hobs).
No wonder Grange includes murder squad in their team.


Add to that Rachel's resuscitation comment and the hiding of tennis racquets in a bag reference and there is quite a picture.

They say the belief that "there is no such thing as a perfect crime" is a fallacy.
Yet we have here a Perfect Crime (well almost) with plenty traces, where suspected perpetrators are known, yet perpetrator/s are at loose and enjoying liberty.

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Post by Guest on 01.03.14 11:15

@aiyoyo wrote:
@sami wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
So we have Kate mentioning Murder and Gerry mentioning it wasn't accident or they would have reported it.
He did not say she did not have an accident so we can't say it for him...(learned from Hobs).
No wonder Grange includes murder squad in their team.


Add to that Rachel's resuscitation comment and the hiding of tennis racquets in a bag reference and there is quite a picture.

They say the belief that "there is no such thing as a perfect crime" is a fallacy.
Yet we have here a Perfect Crime (well almost) with plenty traces, where suspected perpetrators are known, yet perpetrator/s are at loose and enjoying liberty.

She's gone Mum

The moment she was taken

She moved on
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Post by sami on 01.03.14 11:52

@aiyoyo wrote:They say the belief that "there is no such thing as a perfect crime" is a fallacy.
Yet we have here a Perfect Crime (well almost) with plenty traces, where suspected perpetrators are known, yet perpetrator/s are at loose and enjoying liberty.



If it were a perfect crime, we would not be here.  It is an example of the perfect cover-up and a perfect example of how corrupt politics actually is.

No crime or cover up is acceptable, but one involving a child is particularly unforgivable.

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