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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.02.14 10:16

Andrew77R wrote:From seeing the various 'press reviews' of todays papers on several different channels, i have not heard the Mirror front page being spoken about once. Unless I have missed it? Seems to be deliberately avoided.

Maybe the presenters are all giving it a miss as they feel embarrassed to even repeat the obvious garbage that the Mirror / Pinky is spouting out..
The 'Today' programme on BBC Radio 4 has a 'review of today's papers' at around 7.40am every day - and the Mirror headline was reported there. They don't necessarily include every paper's front page headline, so this was obviously part of the editor's selection of what stories to mention - in a slot that usually lasts about 4 minutes. Generally speaking 'Today' usually avoids Madeleine McCann headlines though

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.02.14 10:52

@CynicAl wrote: But, if she IS financially mercenary, she's not thought it out, because by declaring that this version of her hubby is all there is to know, she misses out on the jackpot of being able to sell her story as the suspicious, mistreated wife who always feared her psycopathic other half...
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Post by Guest on 17.02.14 11:15

So now thanks to the Mirrors thoughtful juxtapositioning of the pics of little Maddie and Big Black EM, we all can now enjoy subliminal mental images of same little Maddie being ripped apart by Big Bad EM?

No?

Then WHY this particular pictorial juxtaposition, pray?!

I call this despicable and very, very racist

Lets, for a change, have the Mirror report on the 5000 plus calls to the police after the CW showing of the E-fits, and the percentage of callers who -mistakenly, no doubt- named poor totally white Gerry, or any other of the totally white Tapasniks

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Post by Monty Heck on 17.02.14 11:16

There would surely be a massive, angry backlash to be faced were this to be the endgame.  Even if the McCs were cleared of suspicion of Ms disappearance, they would still face criticism for facilitating entry to the perpetrators, by leaving the apartment unlocked at the front and with easy access from the back and without direct line of sight as claimed.  Would money have poured into the fund and would the press have fawned so obligingly had these facts been known to the public in 2007?

Even though, as KMcC retorted "you don't expect someone to come in and take your child out your/the bed", one can anticipate entry by unauthorised persons and take steps to secure the premises, which they did during the day.  Having demonstrated clear awareness of the need to secure their own valuables and the property of the apartment owner during the day, how will they be able to explain, far less excuse their rash behaviour during the evenings when this information becomes widely known, as it surely will?  The story will not end with, "McCs exonerated let's all forget about it now".  If there is an officially declared abduction and abductor/s then the press would be free to look into any other angles they choose, and the McCs seem to have made many enemies within the media over the years - and why should the gravy train of fascinating McC stories end when there is so much more to be milked for profit?

And how would that leave them legally, if it were determined that M had disappeared at the hands of other, thanks to their less than adequate parenting and or vigilance?  At the shelving of the case it seemed they were let off that particular hook as an abuction at that time was theoretical, but would that change if it were to be taken as fact, and there is clear evidence that entry was facilitated by the child's parents rather than a standard break in?  Is it not the case that if it is proven that their actions lead to the child coming to harm then there could be legal consequences?  Interesting to know what others think.

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Post by Guest on 17.02.14 11:18

agreed 
@Monty Heck wrote:There would surely be a massive, angry backlash to be faced were this to be the endgame.  Even if the McCs were cleared of suspicion of Ms dissapearance, they would still face criticism for facilitating entry to the perpetrators, by leaving the apartment unlocked at the front and with easy access from the back and without direct line of sight as claimed.  Would money have poured into the fund and would the press have fawned so obliginbly had these facts been known to the public in 2007?

Even though, as KMcC retorted "you don't expect someone to come in and take your child out your/the bed", one can anticipate entry by unauthorised persons and take steps to secure the premises, which they did during the day.  Having demonstrated clear awareness of the need to secure their own valuables and the property of the apartment owner during the day, how will they be able to explain, far less excuse their rash behaviour during the evenings when this information becomes widely known, as it surely will?

And how would that leave them legally, if it were determined that M had disappeared at the hands of other, thanks to their less than adequate parenting and or vigilance?  At the shelving of the case it seemed they were let off that particular hook as an abuction at that time was theoretical, but would that change if it were to be taken as fact, and there is clear evidence that entry was facilitated by the child's parents rather than a standard break in?  Is it not the case that if it is proven that their actions lead to the child coming to harm then there could be legal consequences?  Interesting to know what others think.
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Post by Monty Heck on 17.02.14 11:26

@Portia wrote:agreed 
@Monty Heck wrote:There would surely be a massive, angry backlash to be faced were this to be the endgame.  Even if the McCs were cleared of suspicion of Ms dissapearance, they would still face criticism for facilitating entry to the perpetrators, by leaving the apartment unlocked at the front and with easy access from the back and without direct line of sight as claimed.  Would money have poured into the fund and would the press have fawned so obliginbly had these facts been known to the public in 2007?

Even though, as KMcC retorted "you don't expect someone to come in and take your child out your/the bed", one can anticipate entry by unauthorised persons and take steps to secure the premises, which they did during the day.  Having demonstrated clear awareness of the need to secure their own valuables and the property of the apartment owner during the day, how will they be able to explain, far less excuse their rash behaviour during the evenings when this information becomes widely known, as it surely will?

And how would that leave them legally, if it were determined that M had disappeared at the hands of other, thanks to their less than adequate parenting and or vigilance?  At the shelving of the case it seemed they were let off that particular hook as an abuction at that time was theoretical, but would that change if it were to be taken as fact, and there is clear evidence that entry was facilitated by the child's parents rather than a standard break in?  Is it not the case that if it is proven that their actions lead to the child coming to harm then there could be legal consequences?  Interesting to know what others think.
Thanks Portia - I made some edits subsequent to posting but the gist is the same.  If this is the whitewash, then the McC may well not be out of the woods in any way, and this may still have a long way to go.

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Post by Tangled Web on 17.02.14 11:58

Quote - She said: “Two officers phoned me out of the blue and said they were in town and wanted to see me.
“They wouldn’t tell me what it was over the phone but when I reached the cafe where we’d arranged to meet, they told me they were investigating Euclides



Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

Maybe I'm just being cynical.

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Post by Cristobell on 17.02.14 12:08

One thing ALL of these stories have in common, is that they keep the abduction myth alive. As long as the public believe the police on both sides of the channel are investigating tractormen, burglars and ugly and swarthy men who were in PDL in 2007, the McCanns remain above suspicion. I don't think the police care very much about these stories as it enables them to get on with the REAL investigation. The McCanns will defend themselves by implicating others, that has been their MO from the start. Don't look at us, look at everyone else.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 17.02.14 12:11

@Tangled Web wrote:Quote - She said: “Two officers phoned me out of the blue and said they were in town and wanted to see me.
“They wouldn’t tell me what it was over the phone but when I reached the cafe where we’d arranged to meet, they told me they were investigating Euclides



Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

Maybe I'm just being cynical.

Aye, hadn't noticed that. That seems odd. Like you say, to me that seems the kind of thing journalists would do, not police.

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Post by noddy100 on 17.02.14 12:16

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Tangled Web wrote:Quote - She said: “Two officers phoned me out of the blue and said they were in town and wanted to see me.
“They wouldn’t tell me what it was over the phone but when I reached the cafe where we’d arranged to meet, they told me they were investigating Euclides



Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

Maybe I'm just being cynical.

Aye, hadn't noticed that.  That seems odd.  Like you say, to me that seems the kind of thing journalists would do, not police.
I thought that too. A cafe is more reporter style than police.

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Post by sharonl on 17.02.14 13:15

@jozi wrote:Didn't Luisa Rodrigues threaten to sue someone after her husbands name was mentioned in connected in the abduction of Maddie. Wonder what happened with that,as she looks very happy to pose for that picture in the Daily Mirror.

What about his photograph, where did that come from?  Was she happy to present that one for publication too?

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Post by rustyjames on 17.02.14 13:24

@Tangled Web wrote:Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

This was the first thought I had.  However informal the questions, (and actually they are described as "grilling her"), then they would either be at home or at a police station not in a public place.  Also the article says she didn't know what it was about beforehand so this was before all the media late last year, therefore whoever interviewed her had no idea how she would react.

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Post by Swannie on 17.02.14 13:35

@rustyjames wrote:
@Tangled Web wrote:Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

This was the first thought I had.  However informal the questions, (and actually they are described as "grilling her"), then they would either be at home or at a police station not in a public place. 

Obviously, the cafe was to facilitate the "grilling"........... A barbecue might have seemed a bit too informal..........

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Post by Swannie on 17.02.14 13:38

@canada12 wrote:Six foot two, eh?

A bit on the tall side, then. Would have had a good deal of trouble clambering through that little window, methinks.

Oh, sorry, yeah. That's what his three pals must have been there for. To do the window clambering. And also to dance around and distract from their friend's height, if anyone happened to see him on the road.

If the three pals turn out to be Oliver Twist (to do the window clambering), the Artful Dodger (to distract from their friend's height) and Nancy (to dance around), I'm going to be a tad suspicious about this story.................

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Post by diatribe on 17.02.14 13:49

@aquila wrote:

SY are not in the driving seat of this case. All this stuff about asking the PJ for help is nonsense imo. The PJ have jurisdiction and it is SY who are assisting the PJ isn't it?


As stated many times previously, the Met. police are toothless in this matter and the current investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is a charade. Due to the uniqueness of the entire police files being made available to the public, members of this forum have as much influence and in some cases are better informed than Scotland Yard detectives who are being paid vast amounts of money to attain absolutely nothing.

I doubt whether the sharpest tools in Scotland Yard's box are even in the same league as some of the criminal minds that look in on this site, who also have the added advantage of not being constrained by political agendas which have nothing whatsover to do with catching the perpetrators. There isn't another police force on this planet who after a few cursory enquiries would continue to treat this as a case of abduction.

The entire spectacle has long since exceeded that of being pythonesque and may well now be entering into the realms of a Whitehall farce. There are a litany of parodies stretching across the internet on this case, but not a single one comes anywhere near close to matching the ludicracy of the real McCoy, or perhaps in this case McCann.

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Post by ChippyM on 17.02.14 13:54

We are led to believe the PJ interviewed this woman about her dead husbands activities and where abouts - why didn't they just interview the living members of his 'gang'?

 If they did interview them, then whats all this carp in the papers about SY being permanently poised to swoop on them? They could just read the PJ's files instead.

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Post by Cristobell on 17.02.14 13:57

@diatribe wrote:
@aquila wrote:

SY are not in the driving seat of this case. All this stuff about asking the PJ for help is nonsense imo. The PJ have jurisdiction and it is SY who are assisting the PJ isn't it?


As stated many times previously, the Met. police are toothless in this matter and the current investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is a charade. Due to the uniqueness of the entire police files being made available to the public, members of this forum have as much influence and in some cases are better informed than Scotland Yard detectives who are being paid vast amounts of money to attain absolutely nothing.

I doubt whether the sharpest tools in Scotland Yard's box are even in the same league as some of the criminal minds that look in on this site and who also have the added advantage of not being constrained by political agendas which have nothing whatsover to do with catching the perpetrators. There isn't another police force on this planet who after a few cursory enquiries would continue to treat this as a case of abduction.

The entire spectacle has long since exceeded that of being pythonesque and may well now be entering into the realms of a Whitehall farce. There are a litany of parodies stretching across the internet on this case, but not a single one comes anywhere near close to matching the ludicracy of the real McCoy, or perhaps in this case McCann.





 clapping Well said Diatribe.

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Post by diatribe on 17.02.14 14:13

I wonder if any of you splendid combatants have realised how many civil liberties have been eroded and how much gov. mismanagement has been buried under the mountain of garbage that has been written about the McCanns over the past 7 yrs.

No wonder the British gov. are content to allow this Alice in Wonderland farce to continue, why its far more distracting to the proletariat than 'Big Brother' and has the combined propaganda value of Field Marshall Douglas Haig and Ernest Bevan. I bet the yanks wish they had such fine upstanding pillars of society as the McCanns around at the time of Nixon's presidency.

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Post by diatribe on 17.02.14 14:45

@Cristobell wrote:


 clapping Well said Diatribe.

Thanks for the confidence, I'm merely trying to put this matter into some form of logical perspective and I do appreciate that most members of this forum find themselves in the same situation as Pythagoras when attempting to prove that the world was indeed round. big grin

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Post by PeterMac on 17.02.14 14:49

@rustyjames wrote:
@Tangled Web wrote:Is this normal procedure when police 'interrogate' somebody? Would police not just turn up at her address? Were they even 'real' police or journalists?

This was the first thought I had.  However informal the questions, (and actually they are described as "grilling her"), then they would either be at home or at a police station not in a public place.  Also the article says she didn't know what it was about beforehand so this was before all the media late last year, therefore whoever interviewed her had no idea how she would react.

And even more bizarrely, the officers did not ask to look into the Hellish Lair in the basement to see if she was still there.
Nor in the attic, nor behind the tool shed in the garden.
No. Just an informal chat over a sardine sandwich at a nearby café
They had her phone number - how ?

This is almost the most stupid piece of McMitchell tripe for well over a week, actually.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 17.02.14 14:52


Carefully timed, Jackanory, press release. Even the pictures are the same as in the Mirror article.

EDIT seems they obtained permission from the Mirror.
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Post by Guest on 17.02.14 14:54

Take heart. His phone (or a phone he once owned) has been placed at the scene. Doesn't mean it was him using it. I doubt a small time thief and drug user/dealer(?) hangs onto the same mobile for long. Is this also one of the phones that was "red hot" after the abduction? We just don't know.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.02.14 14:55

@diatribe wrote:. . .I do appreciate that most members of this forum find themselves in the same situation as Pythagoras when attempting to prove that the world was indeed round. big grin
Quite.
The evidence is self explanatory and obvious, but people were refusing to see it.
Clue : A lunar eclipse shows very clearly a circular shadow of the earth.
All they had to do was to understand what they were seeing.

And here we have the evidence, all around us, but some are refusing either to see it, or then to interpret it.

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