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Post by Tangled Web on 14.02.14 13:02



As one who swings on the pendulum between whitewash despair and cautious optimism daily your thoughts have given me a lightbulb moment. The tempo of the pendulum has most definitely moved forward towards a Friday of smiling hope.

One thing I'd add - if a whitewash is underway I feel certain the McCanns would know. They would be reassured that they are not suspects to ensure they didn't panic at any stage and 'blow' the whitewash apart.[/quote]

I'm a 'swinger' too  big grin 

Just wish I could see an end to this whole charade.
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Post by Cristobell on 14.02.14 13:07

Dee Coy wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
If the McCanns know that the investigation is a white-wash, why contradict SY on their website?  Why not co-operate as fully as they can, seeing as they've been given the key to freedom?

If the McCanns know that it's not a white-wash and SY are making a case against them, why would they co-operate at all?

Quoting myself here, so that I can continue this line of thought  big grin 

Perhaps the McCanns don't know either way.

If it is a white-wash, it is conceivable that they would be in the know, but this isn't definite.

If it is not a white-wash, surely SY would keep things close to their chest - they're hardly going to tell the McCanns that they are suspects.

So we could have a situation where the McCanns don't know either way (as I currently believe).  Therefore, they would have to take a gamble:

- If the investigation turns out to be a white-wash, anything they do will be overlooked.  They have nothing to fear, so no need for CM to plant stories in the press, and why not take Tannerman off their website.

- If the investigation turns out not to be a white-wash, they could be facing arrest regardless of whether they co-operate.  In that case, they will be thinking about their future defense case, and bolster their original version of events.

With either of these outcomes, not co-operating and keeping Tannerman on their website has no added risk.  With the 'not white-wash' outcome, it actually may have a huge benefit - if the prosecution case isn't strong enough, Tannerman could be enough to prove reasonable doubt and get them off the hook.

As one who swings on the pendulum between whitewash despair and cautious optimism daily your thoughts have given me a lightbulb moment. The tempo of the pendulum has most definitely moved forward towards a Friday of smiling hope.

One thing I'd add - if a whitewash is underway I feel certain the McCanns would know. They would be reassured that they are not suspects to ensure they didn't panic at any stage and 'blow' the whitewash apart.



Great post. The physical appearance of Kate and Gerry would suggest they are not in the loop. Kate especially looks terrible, nothing like the carefree woman strolling on the beach in 2007.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 14.02.14 13:13


And we've got a quote from everybody's favourite source:

"A spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, told the newspaper that the latest request for help was 'a significant development' in the case."

No mention of them being pleased about it though.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 14.02.14 13:15

@Cristobell wrote:
Great post.  The physical appearance of Kate and Gerry would suggest they are not in the loop.  Kate especially looks terrible, nothing like the carefree woman strolling on the beach in 2007.  

She looks a bit as if she's having trouble controlling the right side of her face. Gives me the shivers!
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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.02.14 13:23

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, told the newspaper that the latest request for help was 'a significant development' in the case.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559216/Madeleine-McCann-case-moving-forward-Deputy-Assistant-Commissioner-Martin-Hewitt-says-amid-reports-police-closing-three-prime-suspects.html#ixzz2tIoK1uam
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That 'little statement' should earn you at least £1,567.89p of your £28,000 pa 'retainer' paid to you by the Find Madeleine (SEARCH) Fund!
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Post by diatribe on 14.02.14 13:32

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Should those found to be complicit in a crime against Madeleine McCann be British nationals, it should be obvious to all why any subsequent prosecution should take place in the UK and I have no doubt that both the Portuguese and British judiciaries are agreed in principle if not in fact.

We've actually discussed this matter of jurisdiction on another thread prior to Yultide, Ultima. The nationality of accused persons doesn't define where they can be tried, it is the territory where a crime is committed that dictates where a trial is held. The crime, if there was one in the case of Madeleine, transpired in Portugal, therefore any legal proceedings culminating from the aforementioned would take place in Portugal and not the UK.

The only way in which a trial could be held in the UK is if it could be shown that part of the crime was committed on UK soil, ie, Madeleine's 'disappearance' was plotted in the UK prior to taking her to Portugal, or of course for the benefit of the conspiratists, she 'disappeared'; in the UK and never set foot on portugese soil.

The Foundation fund is a different matter and most definitely would be dealt with in the UK as it was set up and registered in the UK, not to mention the largest percentage of victims who donated would be UK subjects. The burden of proof would be less in a fraud trial than in that of a murder/manslaughter one, because the Crown would only have to prove that the McCanns had knowledge of their daughter's demise, as opposed to being directly implicated.

The draconian UK sentencing guidelines would ensure that the penalty for setting up a fraudulent foundation would far exceed that of manslaughter and illegal disposal of a body would entail under portugese law, particularly in the vein that the crime would contain 'aggravating ' circumstances, or put colloquially, despicability if there is such a word.
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Post by ultimaThule on 14.02.14 13:35

@jeanmonroe wrote:A spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, told the newspaper that the latest request for help was 'a significant development' in the case.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559216/Madeleine-McCann-case-moving-forward-Deputy-Assistant-Commissioner-Martin-Hewitt-says-amid-reports-police-closing-three-prime-suspects.html#ixzz2tIoK1uam
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That's a good shot of 5A and it clearly shows there was no room for a bar or restaurant in the back garden of the apartment  smilie
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Post by Doug D on 14.02.14 13:43

Posting on McCannfiles today:
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
 
By Nigel Moore
14 February 2014 11:30am
 
What the Evening Standard reports:
 
'Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese (sic) authorities to interview or arrest any suspects.'
 
What the Press Association reports:
 
'Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said that so far no requests to carry out interviews or arrests had been made.'
 
What the Daily Mirror reports:
 
'He said no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What the Daily Mail reports:
 
'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports - with Mr Hewitt claiming no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What Martin Hewitt actually said (courtesy of Daily Express):
 
"Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness."
 
- In other words, Mr Hewitt does not rule out the possibility that interview requests have been made, only that 'so far' no interviews have been carried out.
 
This is consistent with the report in Jornal de Notícias, which states that the second letter of request - seemingly a request to interview certain people - has yet to be carried out.
 
………………………………………………….
 
Interestingly they ‘believe’ the Express, which ‘quotes’ Hewitt, whilst the Mail actually attributes some of the story to the Express (bit vague as to which bits though, can be interpreted as some or even all), even though the Express story sits below a ‘burglars’ headline.
 
There has however still been nothing posted about the third letter on the Met Police site, which states:
'Our press releases are usually published first on this web site.
We also send our press releases by email to members of the Crime Reporters' Association (CRA) and to the newsdesks of, or appropriate news groups for, media organisations'. 
 
so I take it that Hewitt is talking unofficially (ie not a press release) which falls in line with the Mails 'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports’
 
From personal experience (not in the police though), there would be hell to pay for attributable quotes such as these coming out without formal sanction by the Press Office (content, format, grammar, legal bits, etc – that’s what they’re paid for!) and I have no doubt that this must be the case within the Met.
A senior officer such as Hewitt would certainly be aware of  procedural niceties and would not go out on a limb like this unless given the OK, which begs the question ‘Why?’
 
Is this a deliberate attempt to further muddy the waters between the nonsense we have been reading over the last few months and Redwood’s forthcoming ‘truth’.
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Post by marconi on 14.02.14 13:51

Police lie as much as perpetrators do and many times they have to lie more.
Those Hewet's words have a purpose.  There was no need to give an interview saying that nothing happened.
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Post by diatribe on 14.02.14 14:00

''That's a good shot of 5A and it clearly shows there was no room for a bar or restaurant in the back garden of the apartment ''


Very good, Ultima, well spotted


Personally, I always lock all of my doors when entering the terrain of my back garden and my babies are a tad less vulnerable than 2-4 yr. old children.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.02.14 14:11

@Doug D wrote:Posting on McCannfiles today:
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
 
By Nigel Moore
14 February 2014 11:30am
 
What the Evening Standard reports:
 
'Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese (sic) authorities to interview or arrest any suspects.'
 
What the Press Association reports:
 
'Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said that so far no requests to carry out interviews or arrests had been made.'
 
What the Daily Mirror reports:
 
'He said no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What the Daily Mail reports:
 
'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports - with Mr Hewitt claiming no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What Martin Hewitt actually said (courtesy of Daily Express):
 
"Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness."
 
- In other words, Mr Hewitt does not rule out the possibility that interview requests have been made, only that 'so far' no interviews have been carried out.
 
This is consistent with the report in Jornal de Notícias, which states that the second letter of request - seemingly a request to interview certain people - has yet to be carried out.
 
………………………………………………….
 
Interestingly they ‘believe’ the Express, which ‘quotes’ Hewitt, whilst the Mail actually attributes some of the story to the Express (bit vague as to which bits though, can be interpreted as some or even all), even though the Express story sits below a ‘burglars’ headline.
 
There has however still been nothing posted about the third letter on the Met Police site, which states:
'Our press releases are usually published first on this web site. We also send our press releases by email to members of the Crime Reporters' Association (CRA) and to the newsdesks of, or appropriate news groups for, media organisations'. 
 
so I take it that Hewitt is talking unofficially (ie not a press release) which falls in line with the Mails 'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports’
 
From personal experience (not in the police though), there would be hell to pay for attributable quotes such as these coming out without formal sanction by the Press Office (content, format, grammar, legal bits, etc – that’s what they’re paid for!) and I have no doubt that this must be the case within the Met. A senior officer such as Hewitt would certainly be aware of  procedural niceties and would not go out on a limb like this unless given the OK, which begs the question ‘Why?’
 
Is this a deliberate attempt to further muddy the waters between the nonsense we have been reading over the last few months and Redwood’s forthcoming ‘truth’.
Very interesting, Doug D, thanks very much for posting this.

There is a very simple comment to make on this. And a very simple question.

COMMENT: The Met Police could have made this perfectly straightforward by making a simple, plain one-paragraph statement e.g. by way of an update on their website, explaining that they've made a 3rd rogatory request, or whatever it was. Instead, as Nigel Moore has brought out so well, we have multiple versions in 5 newspapers.

QUESTION: Why didn't they?

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Post by mouse on 14.02.14 14:24

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Doug D wrote:Posting on McCannfiles today:
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
 
By Nigel Moore
14 February 2014 11:30am
 
What the Evening Standard reports:
 
'Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese (sic) authorities to interview or arrest any suspects.'
 
What the Press Association reports:
 
'Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said that so far no requests to carry out interviews or arrests had been made.'
 
What the Daily Mirror reports:
 
'He said no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What the Daily Mail reports:
 
'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports - with Mr Hewitt claiming no requests for interviews or arrests have been made so far.'
 
What Martin Hewitt actually said (courtesy of Daily Express):
 
"Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness."
 
- In other words, Mr Hewitt does not rule out the possibility that interview requests have been made, only that 'so far' no interviews have been carried out.
 
This is consistent with the report in Jornal de Notícias, which states that the second letter of request - seemingly a request to interview certain people - has yet to be carried out.
 
………………………………………………….
 
Interestingly they ‘believe’ the Express, which ‘quotes’ Hewitt, whilst the Mail actually attributes some of the story to the Express (bit vague as to which bits though, can be interpreted as some or even all), even though the Express story sits below a ‘burglars’ headline.
 
There has however still been nothing posted about the third letter on the Met Police site, which states:
'Our press releases are usually published first on this web site. We also send our press releases by email to members of the Crime Reporters' Association (CRA) and to the newsdesks of, or appropriate news groups for, media organisations'. 
 
so I take it that Hewitt is talking unofficially (ie not a press release) which falls in line with the Mails 'However, the Met Police has refused to comment on the reports’
 
From personal experience (not in the police though), there would be hell to pay for attributable quotes such as these coming out without formal sanction by the Press Office (content, format, grammar, legal bits, etc – that’s what they’re paid for!) and I have no doubt that this must be the case within the Met. A senior officer such as Hewitt would certainly be aware of  procedural niceties and would not go out on a limb like this unless given the OK, which begs the question ‘Why?’
 
Is this a deliberate attempt to further muddy the waters between the nonsense we have been reading over the last few months and Redwood’s forthcoming ‘truth’.
Very interesting, Doug D, thanks very much for posting this.

There is a very simple comment to make on this. And a very simple question.

COMMENT: The Met Police could have made this perfectly straightforward by making a simple, plain one-paragraph statement e.g. by way of an update on their website, explaining that they've made a 3rd rogatory request, or whatever it was. Instead, as Nigel Moore has brought out so well, we have multiple versions in 5 newspapers.

QUESTION: Why didn't they?
Exactly what I asked yesterday - why don't they give a clear concise statement to put an end to all these speculative press stories. Something that would dismiss the daily nonsense printed and give some clarification to the situation. Not too much to ask on behalf of the paying public.

Their lack of action in doing this only causes fog, fog and more fog....Anyone would think that this confusion is the outcome they want. Well they've sure got it!
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Post by Cristobell on 14.02.14 14:26

@diatribe wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:




Should those found to be complicit in a crime against Madeleine McCann be British nationals, it should be obvious to all why any subsequent prosecution should take place in the UK and I have no doubt that both the Portuguese and British judiciaries are agreed in principle if not in fact.

We've actually discussed this matter of jurisdiction on another thread prior to Yultide, Ultima. The nationality of accused persons doesn't define where they can be tried, it is the territory where a crime is committed that dictates where a trial is held. The crime, if there was one in the case of Madeleine, transpired in Portugal, therefore any legal proceedings culminating from the aforementioned would take place in Portugal and not the UK.

The only way in which a trial could be held in the UK is if it could be shown that part of the crime was committed on UK soil, ie, Madeleine's 'disappearance' was plotted in the UK prior to taking her to Portugal, or of course for the benefit of the conspiratists, she 'disappeared'; in the UK and never set foot on portugese soil.

The Foundation fund is a different matter and most definitely would be dealt with in the UK as it was set up and registered in the UK, not to mention the largest percentage of victims who donated would be UK subjects. The burden of proof would be less in a fraud trial than in that of a murder/manslaughter one, because the Crown would only have to prove that the McCanns had knowledge of their daughter's demise, as opposed to being directly implicated.

The draconian UK sentencing guidelines would ensure that the penalty for setting up a fraudulent foundation would far exceed that of manslaughter and illegal disposal of a body would entail under portugese law, particularly in the vein that the crime would contain 'aggravating ' circumstances, or put colloquailly, despicability if there is such a word.




Your post makes a lot of sense Diatribe, and I agree with you. I would imagine there are some extradition lawyers working very hard indeed. I just don't see any way in which a crime committed in Portugal can be tried in the UK. From a diplomatic perspective, the idea comes across as imperialist and more than a little insulting to the Portuguese.
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Post by ultimaThule on 14.02.14 14:30

@diatribe wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
Those charged with the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy were not British nationals and therefore are not subject to The Offences against the Person Act 1861 Section 9. 

For further information see this thread pages 17, 19 and 22 https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8463-why-the-mccanns-and-the-tapas-7-were-relaxed-at-dinner-on-3rd-may and in particular the case of Surjit Athwal. 

As I have said before, the CPS is notoriously parsimonious and it is extremely unlikely that senior officers from that organisation were sent to Lisbon for the purpose of eating reshly grilled sardines and listening to fado in one of the many welcoming bars in that most delightful of cities.

Should those found to be complicit in a crime against Madeleine McCann be British nationals, it should be obvious to all why any subsequent prosecution should take place in the UK and I have no doubt that both the Portuguese and British judiciaries are agreed in principle if not in fact.

We've actually discussed this matter of jurisdiction on another thread prior to Yultide, Ultima. The nationality of accused persons doesn't define where they can be tried, it is the territory where a crime is committed that dictates where a trial is held. The crime, if there was one in the case of Madeleine, transpired in Portugal, therefore any legal proceedings culminating from the aforementioned would take place in Portugal and not the UK.

The only way in which a trial could be held in the UK is if it could be shown that part of the crime was committed on UK soil, ie, Madeleine's 'disappearance' was plotted in the UK prior to taking her to Portugal, or of course for the benefit of the conspiratists, she 'disappeared'; in the UK and never set foot on portugese soil.

The Foundation fund is a different matter and most definitely would be dealt with in the UK as it was set up and registered in the UK, not to mention the largest percentage of victims who donated would be UK subjects. The burden of proof would be less in a fraud trial than in that of a murder/manslaughter one, because the Crown would only have to prove that the McCanns had knowledge of their daughter's demise, as opposed to being directly implicated.

The draconian UK sentencing guidelines would ensure that the penalty for setting up a fraudulent foundation would far exceed that of manslaughter and illegal disposal of a body would entail under portugese law, particularly in the vein that the crime would contain 'aggravating ' circumstances, or put colloquailly, despicability if there is such a word.
It seems there was a problem when you quoted my earlier post on this matter in that it was not fully reproduced and I have therefore taken the liberty of adding the paragraphs which were omitted, diatribe. 

As far as I'm concerned 'we' have not discussed this matter, nor am I inclined to enter into any debate with you on this subject as to do so would clearly be futile in that it is apparent you are minded to believe only your own interpretation of the law should hold sway on this forum.

Having made my opinion clear, I am content to rest my case and let time prove whether my assumptions are correct.  However, for the benefit of others, perhaps you will explain why Sean Emmett was arrested on suspicion of murdering his wife in Saudi Arabia on his return to the UK?  

Fwiw, whether those responsible are tried in Portugal or England, there is every reason to believe that in the case of Madeleine McCann the principal charge will be murder and, as far I'm aware, the maximum penalty for fraud in either country does not exceed the sentence of life imprisonment such a heinous crime would warrant on conviction.
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Post by tigger on 14.02.14 14:35

@diatribe: the Fund is a Ltd. Co. with the word Fund allowed in the title - highly irregular, it occurs in the set of words not normally allowed in a business title by Companies House.

All the same, it is fraudulent if they know she's not alive.

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Post by RIPM on 14.02.14 14:36

IMO the case is simple, it is now a contest of ego's, concern over loss of face, who shows sound judgement, about not looking stupid, by politicians, celebrities and the police.

So Portugal's finest police brains came to the conclusion M died in 5a, on the 3rd May 2007 and the Macs were involved.  But now we are expected to accept that SY's finest are telling them they are idiots.  M was abducted and the Macs and Tapas 7 are completely innocent and you the PJ need to spend millions more looking at anything other than the Macs.

There can only be two conclusions, the PJ and  Portuguese Government will never admit they got everything completely wrong, pride and national prestige will never allow it.

SY and the British government will never admit they are completely wrong and the Macs are prime suspects.  Pride and national prestige will never allow it.

So Redwood is the holder of the poisoned chalice.  While publicly stating SY are working with the PJ they are briefing the British media with stories highlighting how useless the PJ were and are by ignoring the reports of burglars etc etc.

Anyone who believes if ever there was a court case, the lies told by SY over creche/Tanner man would be glosssed over is imo simply deluded.

The end result will be, "the PJ will not help us in our enquiries", "they ignore our letters and due to their intransigence, we are unable to proceed any further", M was abducted by persons unknown.
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Post by mysterion on 14.02.14 14:41

I`ve forgotten the circumstances now but the Lockerbie trial was held in Holland under Scottish law for a crime that was executed in Scottish airspace but planned somewhere else.
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Post by tiny on 14.02.14 14:41

@RIPM wrote:IMO the case is simple, it is now a contest of ego's, concern over loss of face, who shows sound judgement, about not looking stupid, by politicians, celebrities and the police.

So Portugal's finest police brains came to the conclusion M died in 5a, on the 3rd May 2007 and the Macs were involved.  But now we are expected to accept that SY's finest are telling them they are idiots.  M was abducted and the Macs and Tapas 7 are completely innocent and you the PJ need to spend millions more looking at anything other than the Macs.

There can only be two conclusions, the PJ and  Portuguese Government will never admit they got everything completely wrong, pride and national prestige will never allow it.

SY and the British government will never admit they are completely wrong and the Macs are prime suspects.  Pride and national prestige will never allow it.

So Redwood is the holder of the poisoned chalice.  While publicly stating SY are working with the PJ they are briefing the British media with stories highlighting how useless the PJ were and are by ignoring the reports of burglars etc etc.

Anyone who believes if ever there was a court case, the lies told by SY over creche/Tanner man would be glosssed over is imo simply deluded.

The end result will be, "the PJ will not help us in our enquiries", "they ignore our letters and due to their intransigence, we are unable to proceed any further", M was abducted by persons unknown.

Yes but would it make any difference what s/y say as this case belongs to Portugal and Portugal never ask s/y for their help
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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.02.14 14:49

If, IF, the McCanns were to be arrested and charged 'on suspicion of being involved with Madeleine McCann's disappearance' would the T7 be so keen to resolutely stand by them?

Even to the point of themselves all being charged with possibly being involved in 'a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice'

(maximum sentence .......LIFE imprisonment)

Would they, all the T7, be prepared to possibly do 'jail time' just to save the McCanns 'reputations'?
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Post by tiny on 14.02.14 14:54

@jeanmonroe wrote:If, IF, the McCanns were to be arrested and charged 'on suspicion of being involved with Madeleine McCann's disappearance' would the T7 be so keen to resolutely stand by them?

Even to the point of themselves all being charged with possibly being involved in 'a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice'

(maximum sentence .......LIFE imprisonment)

Would they, all the T7, be prepared to possibly do 'jail time' just to save the McCanns 'reputations'?

I think they would,otherwise they would have come clean by now
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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.02.14 14:56

The end result will be, "the PJ will not help us in our enquiries", "they ignore our letters and due to their intransigence, we are unable to proceed any further", M was abducted by persons unknown.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.02.14 15:03

@tiny wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:If, IF, the McCanns were to be arrested and charged 'on suspicion of being involved with Madeleine McCann's disappearance' would the T7 be so keen to resolutely stand by them?

Even to the point of themselves all being charged with possibly being involved in 'a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice'

(maximum sentence .......LIFE imprisonment)

Would they, all the T7, be prepared to possibly do 'jail time' just to save the McCanns 'reputations'?

I think they would,otherwise they would have come clean by now

One 'might' do for 'family' but the McCanns aren't their 'family' are they?

JT dosen't even 'like' HIM! (so she says)

You think JT, or any of the other T7, would 'go away' for YEARS and miss her own kids growing up.... for GM's sake?

NO, me neither.
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Post by mysterion on 14.02.14 15:09

How do we know that one or more of the T7 haven`t already made juicy statements to SY telling them all they know?  SY don`t have to give progress reports to the public. Maybe that is what all that paperwork is about.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 14.02.14 15:11

@jeanmonroe wrote:
One 'might' do for 'family' but the McCanns aren't their 'family' are they?

JT dosen't even 'like' HIM! (so she says)

You think JT, or any of the other T7, would 'go away' for YEARS and miss her own kids growing up.... for GM's sake?

NO, me neither.

If any of them come clean what are they most likely to do - tell the Daily Mirror about it so all of us on the forum know what's going on, or talk to Scotland Yard to make a deal?
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Post by Cristobell on 14.02.14 15:18

@RIPM wrote:IMO the case is simple, it is now a contest of ego's, concern over loss of face, who shows sound judgement, about not looking stupid, by politicians, celebrities and the police.

So Portugal's finest police brains came to the conclusion M died in 5a, on the 3rd May 2007 and the Macs were involved.  But now we are expected to accept that SY's finest are telling them they are idiots.  M was abducted and the Macs and Tapas 7 are completely innocent and you the PJ need to spend millions more looking at anything other than the Macs.

There can only be two conclusions, the PJ and  Portuguese Government will never admit they got everything completely wrong, pride and national prestige will never allow it.

SY and the British government will never admit they are completely wrong and the Macs are prime suspects.  Pride and national prestige will never allow it.

So Redwood is the holder of the poisoned chalice.  While publicly stating SY are working with the PJ they are briefing the British media with stories highlighting how useless the PJ were and are by ignoring the reports of burglars etc etc.

Anyone who believes if ever there was a court case, the lies told by SY over creche/Tanner man would be glosssed over is imo simply deluded.

The end result will be, "the PJ will not help us in our enquiries", "they ignore our letters and due to their intransigence, we are unable to proceed any further", M was abducted by persons unknown.




But they are not briefing the British media RIPM. The stories are a carbon copy of the stories that have appeared over the years, every time the McCanns are under pressure. The stories are designed to keep the focus on an abductor (not the McCanns) and the 'incompetence' of the Portuguese police, that is the way Team McCann work. In 2007 they were far more open about what they were doing. THEY put out the efit of Tannerman, they held the faux police conference, they spread the myths that PDL is a nest of paedophiles and they (through others) put out stories of their outrage at the way in which they were being treated by the horrid (not British) policemen. What we are seeing here, is a re-run of a publicity campaign that we have seen over and over again. Gerry had it in a nutshell, 'what is it you want to achieve through the press', or words to that effect. There is even a picture of him with his wider agenda chart.

Once you truly believe there was no abductor, everything begins to make sense. I also think that the revelation of Smithman and the revelation that the McCanns suppressed him for 5 years, has sent some sort of fatal blow to the libel proceedings in Lisbon. Portugal have primacy in this case, and I think SY are assisting them. Realistically, how could SY have reams and reams of documents about 3 inept burglars who work on the Algarve? Who is more likely to have statements and information of that nature?

Admittedly, I am a glass half full kinda gal (with room for vodka), but it seems to me neither the PJ or SY are not saying anything to the Press and if this were a whitewash the McCanns would have to co-operate with them - without their co-operation a whitewash would be impossible. That Tannerman still remains on the OFM website, tells us that they are not. As far as Crecheman is concerned, I think he is a means to an end - a way in which to take Jane Tanner's sighting out of the equation tactfully without actually calling her a liar. Remember, the PJ dismissed her sighting almost immediately. I have been watching quite a lot of real life crime documentaries, and I am amazed at the lengths detectives will go to, in which to get the evidence they need for a conviction. I think the McCanns are keeping Tannerman in the frame as a last resort in the event that any bodily waste should hit a fan.
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