Maddie McCann detectives 'probe Portuguese gypsy site 15-minutes away from hotel where three year-old was snatched in 2007'

Judiciary looks for driver from the hotel where Maddie disappeared from
...
The man, who is single and may now be 40 years old...

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email]  [ swept under the carpet ]  :   Monday, 3rd February 2014.

So it seems crucial that the time between 21:40 and 22:00 is subjected to extreme scrutiny and any employee or fellow holidaymaker that might have had knowledge of a search for a missing girl BEFORE 22:00 could make or break Redwood's case.

MissDaisy wrote:That's OK Sami

sami wrote:

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email]  [ swept under the carpet ]  :   Monday, 3rd February 2014.

So it seems crucial that the time between 21:40 and 22:00 is subjected to extreme scrutiny and any employee or fellow holidaymaker that might have had knowledge of a search for a missing girl BEFORE 22:00 could make or break Redwood's case.

I have taken the link and quote below from Daisy, on the 5j thread here.  I hope that's ok Daisy.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
He is Dutch and was informed by another Dutch man of the disappearance between 21:30-21:40 near the Baptista.
It might be nothing to do with it but wasn't there a clip in the Crimewatch reconstruction of two German/Dutch sounding men?

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email]  [ swept under the carpet ]  :   Monday, 3rd February 2014.


Robbers, gypsys, tractormen. The UK media - fuelled by the Master Manipulator - is on the rampage again.

Some more serious reports emerging from Portugal can hardly drown the incessant noise. We learned over the weekend that it is not Mitchell's three robbers they are after (quelle surprise) but some workers from the Ocean's Club. Nobody official ever mentioned that they are suspects. So what is Redwood after?

The much more reliable portuguese media is telling us today:

Judiciary looks for driver from the hotel where Maddie disappeared from
...
The man, who is single and may now be 40 years old...

 In the files we have only two statements of drivers, and only one that fits the age.

If we dive further into the files (something no respected british journo is ever going to stoop to) we find his mobile number in the original statement taken by the Policia Judiciaria. Another search through the list of phone contacts compiled from the data of three mobile phone providers for the time between 21:45 and 22:15 - a time even the PJ seemed extremely interested in - reveals that this driver made one phonecall exactly at 21:51 a time that fits in perfectly with the timespan Andy Redwood refused to define as being still a part of the group's dinner.

His timeline for the movements of the group stopped at 21:40 and after having eliminated the non-existent Tannerman in favour of the elusive Crecheman, there is only Kate's insistence about the time of the alert of 22:00 that separates Gerry from a missing alibi for his meeting with the Smith family.

So it seems crucial that the time between 21:40 and 22:00 is subjected to extreme scrutiny and any employee or fellow holidaymaker that might have had knowledge of a search for a missing girl BEFORE 22:00 could make or break Redwood's case.

Thumbs up for the thoroughness with which SY is apparently checking that timespan and I hope that the idiots from the Mirror, the Sun, Sky and the Mail will stop copying the case endangering rubbish Clarence Mitchell throws them and instead start looking at the files and apply some common sense.

One can dream afterall...

sami wrote:

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email]  [ swept under the carpet ]  :   Monday, 3rd February 2014.

So it seems crucial that the time between 21:40 and 22:00 is subjected to extreme scrutiny and any employee or fellow holidaymaker that might have had knowledge of a search for a missing girl BEFORE 22:00 could make or break Redwood's case.

I have taken the link and quote below from MissDaisy, on the 5j thread here.  I hope that's ok MissDaisy.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
He is Dutch and was informed by another Dutch man of the disappearance between 21:30-21:40 near the Baptista.
It might be nothing to do with it but wasn't there a clip in the Crimewatch reconstruction of two German/Dutch sounding men?

mysterion wrote:If none of T9 were wearing watches, how could they be running a check upon the kids system according to a timetable?

mysterion wrote:If none of T9 were wearing watches, how could they be running a check upon the kids system according to a timetable?

Doug D wrote:I’m confused, not for the first time.
 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
 
‘When questioned about having made a telephone call on 3rd May at 21.00.11 having activated antennas in P da L, when his working day finished at 20.30, he says that on this day, as well as on others, he was delayed because he had to carry out the transport, even though it was late, of some tourists. At this time he was driving the minibus belonging to the establishment. He also says, that on this day, as well as the transport already referred to, he was late because of the fact that some tourists did not have the key to their apartment.

With regard to the number that he dialled on that day at that time, he says it was the number 966****** corresponding to his wife’s number, which was confirmed in this file’.
 
The copies of the original statements in the files have the address and phone number info. blanked out. Are there therefore other copies to be found, other than the PJ originals, with all this information on them?
I can’t envisage the McCannfiles going through the records & deleting all this stuff, though I stand to be corrected. They had enough to do getting it on-line & translated in the first place.
 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
 
‘If we dive further into the files ……. we find his mobile number in the original statement taken by the Policia Judiciaria. Another search through the list of phone contacts compiled from the data of three mobile phone providers for the time between 21:45 and 22:15 - a time even the PJ seemed extremely interested in - reveals that this driver made one phonecall exactly at 21:51 a time that fits in perfectly with the timespan Andy Redwood refused to define as being still a part of the group's dinner.
 
If we cannot see the phone number, how can this info. be actually coming from the files themselves? Is this in fact ‘inside information’ that us ordinary mortals are not privy to?
 
Similarly,
 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
 
Broadcast by TVI, 3^rd February 2014
 
‘The PJ work on the field, in Praia da Luz, took place several months ago and was one of the investigative steps in the first letter rogatory that arrived in Portugal during the last summer, it is part of the English process and has nothing to do with the PJ investigation under the purview of the Public Ministry of Portimão. It also has nothing to do with the regular meeting that once again brought, last Tuesday to Faro, four Scotland Yard detectives. Meeting which was held in order to clarify doubts relative to the first letter rogatory and to make a rundown of the judicial cooperation between the police authorities of the two countries’.
 
So the ‘new and suddenly interesting again Van Man’ is not even current news if this is to be believed.

russiandoll wrote:

mysterion wrote:If none of T9 were wearing watches, how could they be running a check upon the kids system according to a timetable?

 they were wearing watches, Kate says in her book of truth that Gerry went to his check at a very precise time and mentions his watch. 

russiandoll wrote:

mysterion wrote:If none of T9 were wearing watches, how could they be running a check upon the kids system according to a timetable?

 they were wearing watches, Kate says in her book of truth that Gerry went to his check at a very precise time and mentions his watch. 

candyfloss wrote:NickE, have merged your topic here as I had posted a few mins before on this thread, and it is on the same subject.

jeanmonroe wrote: For example, a retired British police superintendent with a keen interest in the McCann case spotted that several paragraphs in a Daily Mirror story on 28 December had been copied almost word-for-word, without quoting or crediting the source, from a story that had appeared in the Daily Mail on 15 October. He brought this to the attention of both papers and the Press Complaints Commission. They expressed little interest.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"a retired British police superintendent with a keen interest in the McCann case"

That would be OUR very own PeterMac!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

             

ETA: If journalist and author Len Port is 'looking in' on this forum (otherwise how did he know about PeterM's 'posting' to PCC?) makes one wonder WHO else (Met/PJ?) could also be "looking" at this forum, possibly looking at 'other' explanations to explain how she (Madeleine) is not here.
-----------------------------------
10th February 2010, Lisbon.
Gerry McCann: "Where... where, you know... where is... where... where is... where is... where is the child? We're looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she's not here."

Well Gerry, since you are asking..........................

Posted by portugalpress on February 07, 2014
Churning out the news without a care

The recent flurry of fictitious reports about the Madeleine McCann case is another example of how far quality journalism has been replaced by the latest form of ‘churnalism.’
A story is concocted by a reporter and published on the website of a major newspaper or TV network. Within hours, it has been copied, rewritten or translated without anyone bothering to check for accuracy. If it is sensational enough, the story is then regurgitated around the world.
The media have long been able to share reliable information from established news agencies and other sources. The rot set in with the upsurge some years ago of propaganda and slanted press releases put out by PR people. The internet has dramatically speeded and simplified shoddy, second-hand reporting.
Churnalism has now reached unprecedented levels with media organisations shamelessly copying one another online. As a result, a profusion of misinformation is spewed out daily.
Last week’s excitement over the Madeleine McCann case was based on the fact that four Scotland Yard detective flew to the Algarve to meet with Polícia Judiciária counterparts. The visit followed a letter of request sent by the British Crown Prosecution Service to the Portuguese equivalent.
Officials in both countries had refused to comment on the contents of the letter or the reason for the visit. This did not stop the British tabloids from improvising. They spoke of “a dramatic breakthrough” and claimed that the arrest of three burglars was “imminent”.
Kate and Gerry McCann were said to be “on tenderhooks” and being “kept fully informed” about the latest developments.
These assertions in the Daily Mirror were picked up and used not only by competing tabloids, but by quality papers such as the Guardian and the Daily Telegraph.
Portuguese papers did not jump on the bandwagon, but the revelation of a ‘breakthrough’ spun around the world and found its way into the Sydney Morning Herald, the Times of India, the Huffington Post and the Daily Beast, to name but a few online services.
The Epoch Times, which prides itself on being published in 21 languages in 35 countries across five continents, was running the same “imminent arrest” yarn on the same day ITV mercifully set the record straight with the headline: “No imminent plans to make any arrests in Madeleine McCann case.”
ITV described the meeting between British and Portuguese detectives as “a routine part of the investigation to establish what happened to Madeleine McCann”.
USA Today quoted the British investigative reporter and former detective Mark Williams-Thomas as saying, “this isn’t a major breakthrough” and “burglars don’t abduct children”.
By then the media damage had been done. As the Sunday Mirror columnist Carole Malone put it: “How devastating this must all be for Kate and Gerry McCann – another flurry of headlines, more promises of suspects and arrests... and then nothing. Again!”
The copy and paste style of churnalism practised nowadays is akin to plagiarism, but who cares? For example, a retired British police superintendent with a keen interest in the McCann case noted that several paragraphs in a Daily Mirror story on December 28 had been copied almost word-for-word from a story that had appeared in the Daily Mail on October 15. He brought this to the attention of both papers and the Press Complaints Commission, but they expressed little interest.
Journalistic analysts put the growth in churnalism down to a combination of things, including increased competition, reduced revenues and inadequate staff with insufficient time to verify and properly develop stories.
It is likely to get ever more frantic. We have already moved on from last week’s “imminent arrests” to this week’s tabloid revelation that “detectives are probing a Portuguese gypsy site just 15 minutes away from where Madeleine was snatched”.
Well, maybe, but for starters the place the foreign media are talking about is not a gypsy site at all.
One thing is certain though: the media will continue to churn out this sort of stuff as long as there are people who want to read it.

By LEN PORT
Len Port is a journalist and author based in the Algarve. Follow Len’s reflections on current affairs in Portugal on his blog: algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt
- See more at: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]