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Post by ultimaThule 26.05.14 17:57

HelenMeg wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Please can someone explain why RB forced the review on Cameron. I have read all of the above and for me it does not explain why Labour government intervened in 2007 to prevent PJ finding the truth of what happened to Madeleine. There are always alliances between press and political parties - always have been. But it does not explain why Labour government intervened in Madeleine case initially.

I think the McCanns were squealing 'review' with tongue firmly in cheek never dreaming it would come to fruition because of the knowledge they held pertaining to the political cover-up in the first place. They thought they were on rock solid ground. They could publicly request what which would be expected of them as desperate parents thus generating a re-focus on the fund (at that time they were admitting they needed more money to continue an independent search as the nasty governments of Portugal and the UK had done nothing proactively to find Madeleine for two years) whilst secure in the knowledge their request had no chance of being granted.

I think Brooks called their bluff. I'm not sure what her motives were but I am convinced she, like most of the media, knows what really happened.

I've asked this a few times and it's a purely hypothetical question: "If the truth of what happened in a major case, after years of corruption and cover-up designed to mislead the people, was finally brought to the public as a result of evidence obtained by phone hacking, would that public view phone hacking in a more tolerant light? A necessary evil to a justifiable end?"

I am not insinuating for one minute that hacking did take place. I do find it noteworthy that apparently the only important people that definitely weren't hacked were the McCanns.
I agree that the Mc Canns may have been vocal about wanting a review in the knowledge that it would never happen. If RB pushed for a review (and I'm not aware of how she went about this?) but it was perhaps either because 1. she believed the Mc Canns were innocent and genuinely wished to help 2. She wanted a review knowing it would lead to selling endless newspapers 3. She had it in for someone - and re-opening the case would lead to whoever was being protected being outed...related to Labour party.

What other motives would there be?

4. She had reason to believe the McCanns are complicit in the disappearance of their eldest daughter and she did her utmost to ensure they'd be brought to account in law.
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Post by ultimaThule 26.05.14 18:13

HelenMeg wrote:and Clarence Mitchell :

BBC website profile:
Clarence Mitchell is back in front of the camera again - this time as the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of missing four-year-old Madeleine. Former colleague Laurie Margolis recalls his time as a BBC journalist.
My first memories of Clarence were when he joined the BBC as a regional reporter in Leeds.

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Clarence Mitchell worked on several high-profile cases as a reporter
Then he made it down to London, first on Breakfast News, then as one of the team of reporters who worked for the main news bulletins on national TV and radio.
I was another in that reporter pool in the early 1990s, and it was a difficult time for many of us, because the BBC bosses of that era became obsessed with specialists, people who may well have known their topic, but were often poor at turning that into watchable TV News.
General reporters like Clarence were highly skilled TV journalists, able to get their heads round any subject at short notice. But such people were out of fashion, and I think Clarence found it frustrating.
Nevertheless, he became a major figure in several big domestic stories.
He was closely involved with the Fred and Rosemary West case, where a murderous couple had killed young girls and buried the bodies under their patio in Gloucester.
Royal coverage
He was one of the first reporters to arrive at Gowan Avenue, Fulham in south west London, when the immensely popular BBC TV presenter Jill Dando was shot dead in a murder many feel has never been satisfactorily explained.
And more recently, in a story he worked on right up to the day he left the BBC, Clarence led coverage of the murder of the Surrey schoolgirl Millie Dowler in 2002. The case has never been solved.
Towards the end of his BBC career Clarence became heavily used on royal stories. He was deeply involved in coverage of the post-Diana era and the death of the Queen Mother.
Clarence was also a presenter on various BBC news programmes, and may have been looking to make that the main plank of his career.
But the presenting world is a precarious and capricious one, and he never quite made it.
One night, when I was working through the night, Clarence was presenting hourly bulletins on BBC News 24.
He did the 1am, and the 2am, but at 3am a slightly dishevelled looking producer appeared doing the news. It turned out Clarence had closed his eyes, and had slept through the 3am programme.
Madeleine maelstrom
Clarence left the BBC quite suddenly, making a move into the Labour government as director of its Media Monitoring Unit. His salary was widely reported to be £70,000 a year.


He was a failed presenter at the BBC with a lot of contacts - at the end of his BBC career he was used on the royal stories - suddenly left to work within Labour government and then
" as the Madeleine McCann story exploded this summer, it became clear that a high level of control and organisation would be needed to cope with the media maelstrom.
Clarence was plucked from his job, and sent out to handle the media, rather than be part of the media, on a massive crime story. Now he's left his government job and gone in with the McCanns full-time."

In my opinion, Clarence Mitchell took various opportunities as they arose - made a name for himself as PR for Madeleine case, (he likes presenting and having his face in the limelight). He is now standiong for conservative party so has switch alliances yet again- ....

He may have acquired some sort of power through what he knows about both parties - but in my opinion he appears to switch alliances as opportunities come along and he sees how it can benefit him. No more no less.

I gave a link to the above article on the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7010286.stm earler in this thread and I again remark that, given all of his activities subsequent to jacking in his civil service post in order to throw his lot in with the McCanns, it is curious that this article dated 24 September 2007 is the first result obtained from googling 'Clarence Mitchell'.    If I were of a suspicious turn of mind, I might take the view that there's a reason why some insight into what motivates CM takes pride of place over his various career moves in a Google search of his name.  

As I've said before, to my mind CM and MC (Max Clifford) are as interchangeable as their initials with the only difference being that Mitchell caters to the chattering classes who seek to keep their lapses from grace out of the press, while the now disgraced Clifford claimed he performed a similar service for the stars of screen and stage (and Harrods) but was better known for promoting wannabe zlebs who had salacious tales of infidelity and suchlike to tell and sell.
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Post by 1soapy 26.05.14 18:17

Ultimathule et al.
My point is the opposite, as stated. That she knew of hacking, therefore had reason to believe that they were involved, but as she could not present this illegal evidence in its current form, decided to help them to open the case, play along and with the longer term view to expose them or somehow show the evidence, therefore having great opportunity to capitalize on stories, knowing the most and having huge power over the case (i.e. she was instrumental in opening it and closing it successfully).

As to how RB got herself into all her bother, though things are still ongoing; times and public moral outrage changes in ways that cannot be predicted, as people in PR and the world of music and TV are finding out.
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Post by ultimaThule 26.05.14 19:06

I'm more inclined to believe that all of the MSM and various other agencies and individuals know the truth of the matter, soapy, and that when certain persons had advance sight of Exhibit KH1 it became possible to begin the slow process of bringing the guilty to account.

With regard to 'public moral outrage', this is another commodity which can be created and manipulated by the unscrupulous in order to gain their own ends. .
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Post by juliet 26.05.14 19:14

It is interesting that KM thought the British public would be outraged and close to rioting if we learned she was arrested. Whatever gave her that idea? The public generally were deeply suspicious of the McCanns from the start.
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Post by Guest 26.05.14 19:20

ultimaThule wrote:
1soapy wrote:I don’t see how or why the McCann’s would NOT ask for a review or investigation. Why?


Others (parents in other cases that is) have campaigned for years (without success). No need to think they would be any more successful, especially if they don’t put too much effort into it (GA said all they needed to do was ask the PJ).


Especially being (one time) suspects, it would be odd if they did not campaign. Do you not think it would be MORE odd to quietly forget about it (in the eyes of the public)? They have to seem to be still looking and wanting help to do so. Superficially, it might be better to quietly forget it all, but the public interest forbade or negated that.


Money.


Power and confidence over authorities to show that even with demands (to find the truth), it will not be found.

Fame?

IMO

I agree, soapy.   In order to maintain that they were the wholly innocent bereft parents of an abducted child, it was necessary for the McCanns to claim that they wanted the PJ to re-open the case although, of course, they could have achieved this for the price of a stamp and without any publicity whatsoever.

It was also necessary for them to ask for a review to be held in the UK in the hope that they would gain access to all of the information that the PJ and Leciestershire police held at that time.

Imo both of the McCanns are attention seekers of the 'look at me, aren't I wonderful' type and much as they profess not to like the limelight, they're addicted to it.  Also imo. Gerry's always wanted to make a name for himself and achieve worldwide recognition but, such is his distinctly average intellect, he's only managed to become famous for being infamous and his discontent with this state of affairs is becoming apparent on his features.

Botox and hair dye have their limitations and it seems to me that whatever Faustian pact the wee one made with the devil clearly didn't include a portrait which would dissipate in a locked room to which only he had access.


 thumbsup    I have very similar opinions.     The McCanns, contrary to what they believed would happen, were badly portrayed in the British press (before CR got involved and stopped it).   They were the "victims" after all, they had lost their darling daughter, yet the press and public were at their backs worrying, questioning, criticising.   I don't think they expected this to happen on their home soil.
 
IMO they knew they couldn't influence the Portuguese but with a review from SY the good old British public would see they where completely innocent of any wrongdoing, decent parents - how dare the PJ put any blame or accusations on them - bl**dy foreigners that they are !

They are IMO, concerned only with their own standing, as uT says, they hoped to become famous but have become infamous.
 
"Find the body and prove we killed her" said Gerry - what words are these from the father of a 3 year old girl supposedly taken by paedophiles ?!

J'accuse.    
I prefer to almost ignore this NSY "investigation".   It will be of no consequence.

I have faith in the Portuguese, and that is from where the answers will come God willing.

These are only my views and my opinions.
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Post by Hicks 26.05.14 19:28

juliet wrote:It is interesting that KM thought the British public would be outraged and close to rioting if we learned she was arrested. Whatever gave her that idea? The public generally were deeply suspicious of the McCanns from the start.
I believe this might give an explanation.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568.

Same goes for hubby. Imo.

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Post by Guest 26.05.14 19:38

Hicks wrote:
juliet wrote:It is interesting that KM thought the British public would be outraged and close to rioting if we learned she was arrested. Whatever gave her that idea? The public generally were deeply suspicious of the McCanns from the start.
I believe this might give an explanation.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568.

Same goes for hubby. Imo.



May I also recommend The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout.
A very interesting and informative read. Also explains why people with 'normal' personalities/natures have such difficulty understanding the mindset of narcissistic personality disorders.
It is alien in the most extreme.
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Post by Guest 26.05.14 19:41

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ultimaThule wrote:
1soapy wrote:I wonder (in spite of the legality) if there is a hacked recording somewhere, if Rebekah Brooks knows and/or if it could have or has been shared with the police or any authorities (supporting whatever view) and if it has been a factor in the case or investigation.

I have no doubt that Rebekah Brooks was instrumental in facilitating the McCanns' request for a UK-based review and that she personally made a case to convince David Cameron that it should take place, but I very much doubt that it was her intention for any such review to confine itself to exonerating them from any complicity in their eldest daughter's disappearance.

It occurs to me that those who claim that RB wields enormous power over policitians and the like may be best placed to explain why she was unable to spare herself, her spouse, and others, the ignominy and the expense of appearing as defendants at the Old Bailey in a time-consuming trial which is yet to conclude.
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Good point.   yes 

It is a good point. Certainly it indicates that Brooks thought she was more untouchably powerful than she was.

However, she pushed for the review whilst still on her pedestal and with her motives as yet unaffected by her subsequent arrest.
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Post by 1soapy 26.05.14 19:46

Daffodil's recommendation. Sounds interesting, but I feel it would be well beneath me. What could I gain, learning about weirdos that are not in my league? I have a much better idea, so listen to me because my ideas are the best...
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Post by Casey5 26.05.14 19:47

I think the McCanns' wanted a revue for 2 reasons.

1. To have a chance of obtaining the information not made public that they believe, rightly or wrongly, the PJ may hold.

2. To be exonerated publicly by Scotland Yard and the Portuguese Judiciary on being involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

If the second one ever happens I believe they will quit their high profile lifestyle, wrap up the fund and stfu. Job done. imo
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Post by ultimaThule 26.05.14 20:57

Imo, the McCanns are right to believe the PJ hold information that has not been divulged to them, Casey5 and it must be of intense frustration to them that it never will unless and until it is necessary to present it in a court of law.

If the second one ever happens the wee one will never stop crowing stfu and he won't rest until he's secured some role or position which enables him to gain the recognition for his meagre talents which he believes he deserves.
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Post by Angelique 26.05.14 22:07

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and ultimaThule

I agree - it's both 1 and 2.

1 would give them reassurance that nothing would come back to haunt them - peace of mind.

2 would in the eyes of UK officially exonerate them of blame. But I think they would not retire from the limelight, it would clear the way to bigger and better positions in society.

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Post by Cristobell 26.05.14 23:08

1soapy wrote:I wonder (in spite of the legality) if there is a hacked recording somewhere, if Rebekah Brooks knows and/or if it could have or has been shared with the police or any authorities (supporting whatever view) and if it has been a factor in the case or investigation.
I have just said something similar on another thread.  Imo, if the NOTW were prepared to hack the Dowlers, I am sure they had a go at the McCanns and their entourage.
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Post by Improper Conduct 26.05.14 23:13

Cristobell wrote:
1soapy wrote:I wonder (in spite of the legality) if there is a hacked recording somewhere, if Rebekah Brooks knows and/or if it could have or has been shared with the police or any authorities (supporting whatever view) and if it has been a factor in the case or investigation.
I have just said something similar on another thread.  Imo, if the NOTW were prepared to hack the Dowlers, I am sure they had a go at the McCanns and their entourage.

Nah.....Agendicized..That's all  big grin 
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Post by Cristobell 26.05.14 23:25

Woofer wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Please can someone explain why RB forced the review on Cameron. I have read all of the above and for me it does not explain why Labour government intervened in 2007 to prevent PJ finding the truth of what happened to Madeleine. There are always alliances between press and political parties - always have been. But it does not explain why Labour government intervened in Madeleine case initially.


I`ve never understood this either - the idea that it was to sell more papers doesn`t ring true to me.

Was it because the McCanns really truly wanted a review and because RB was an old school friend of Kate`s (not confirmed but likely) she helped Kate get what she wanted, or

Was it because she knew the McCanns were bluffing about wanting a review and called their bluff, or

Was it because RB was instructed by RM to do so, but why?  RB must realise the Mcs are involved in the disappearance of their daughter.
I don't think it was anything more complicated than Madeleine headlines sold newspapers - that was the bottom line of the highly competitive business she was in.  Newspaper editors were probably fighting to get the McCanns onboard together with all the exclusives (think: 'I couldn't Make Love to Gerry' headline). It would have been tacky if all the tabloids had gone with that one. 

If Rebekah were a man, we wouldn't bat an eyelid at the thought that he might be ruthless enough to exploit victims of tragedy in order to sell more newspapers, and when he discarded them, we would say 'ah well, it was to be expected'.  Rebekah has a nose for a good story just as much as any seasoned old hack, and she was in a win, win situation.  If it turned out the parents were complicit (as everyone secretly knew they were), she would be sitting on a goldmine of exclusive interviews, tapes etc, when the proverbial hit the fan.
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Post by HelenMeg 27.05.14 12:51

Cristobell wrote:
Woofer wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Please can someone explain why RB forced the review on Cameron. I have read all of the above and for me it does not explain why Labour government intervened in 2007 to prevent PJ finding the truth of what happened to Madeleine. There are always alliances between press and political parties - always have been. But it does not explain why Labour government intervened in Madeleine case initially.


I`ve never understood this either - the idea that it was to sell more papers doesn`t ring true to me.

Was it because the McCanns really truly wanted a review and because RB was an old school friend of Kate`s (not confirmed but likely) she helped Kate get what she wanted, or

Was it because she knew the McCanns were bluffing about wanting a review and called their bluff, or

Was it because RB was instructed by RM to do so, but why?  RB must realise the Mcs are involved in the disappearance of their daughter.
I don't think it was anything more complicated than Madeleine headlines sold newspapers - that was the bottom line of the highly competitive business she was in.  Newspaper editors were probably fighting to get the McCanns onboard together with all the exclusives (think: 'I couldn't Make Love to Gerry' headline). It would have been tacky if all the tabloids had gone with that one. 

If Rebekah were a man, we wouldn't bat an eyelid at the thought that he might be ruthless enough to exploit victims of tragedy in order to sell more newspapers, and when he discarded them, we would say 'ah well, it was to be expected'.  Rebekah has a nose for a good story just as much as any seasoned old hack, and she was in a win, win situation.  If it turned out the parents were complicit (as everyone secretly knew they were), she would be sitting on a goldmine of exclusive interviews, tapes etc, when the proverbial hit the fan.
I would agree that Rebekah would want a review of the Madeleine case as from it would likely stem hundreds and thousands of headlines and sales. Can anyone explain how she forced DC to open the review? Was it a case of 'I'll support you if you review the Madeleine case?'  How, when and by what means did she force DC to instigate the review?  Does anyone have any facts about this?
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Post by Doug D 27.05.14 17:24

HelenMeg,

I posted the timeline for the book release, open letter to DC, and DC’s immediate response on the
 
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9642p480-madeleine-mccann-search-to-enter-substantial-phase-of-activity#249878
 
thread yesterday, but précis some of it again here with some additional comments:
 
McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the newspaper: "The publication date for Madeleine has now been moved on to May 12 2011 in the light of the royal wedding and the subsequent media coverage that will generate.
(So don’t want to publish it when it won’t make the front pages then)
 
GM was ‘somewhat horrified’ at the suggestion of newspaper serialization of the book (as per Leveson).

(Why? Doesn't make any sense when publicity was the main agenda. Was the reality just to help push up the price?)

But Mc's agreed ‘when NI agreed to backing the campaign to search for Madeleine.’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7IvuVhWCXw   (Leveson snippets thanks to HiDeHo)
 
9 May 2011 - In a heart-rending book serialised from today in The Sun, Kate, 43, writes how she is haunted by “flashes” of Madeleine “screaming” for her and ...
 
13 May 2011 - In a moving open letter delivered to Number 10 Downing Street on their behalf by The Sun last night, (so 12th May), they call on Mr Cameron to press for a ...
 
DC response letter was dated 13 May 2011
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian
 
13th May 2011
 
‘The PM has been accused of bowing to the Murdoch empire over his decision to intervene in the Madeleine McCann case.
 
Two peers who are members of police watchdogs warned that the independence of the Metropolitan police was under threat after the prime minister brought in Scotland Yard to review the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
 
(So it appears that it was an ‘immediate’ decision, not ‘I’ll have a look and talk about it’, therefore this must have been planned in advance.)
 
Insiders at the Yard played down any suggestions that their role could quickly lead to any breakthrough in the case, saying that the review, which will cost millions of pounds, could take months or even years.
 
Labour's Lord Harris, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, accused David Cameron of bowing to Rupert Murdoch's empire, referring to Cameron's decision to call in Scotland Yard after Kate McCann wrote an open letter in the Sun asking for his help.’
 
11th May 2012 – Leveson – (RB)
Lord Justice Leveson intervened during the questioning. He asked whether Brooks was involved in a strategy to threaten No 10 in order to obtain a review of the Madeleine investigation.
 
I was certainly part of a strategy to launch a campaign in order to get a review for the McCanns,” Mrs Brooks said.
 
The suggested threat reported was that Theresa May would have ‘bad headlines’ splashed across The Sun for a week, but an alternative alleges Cameron asked Met to open review of Madeleine McCann case as "debt being repaid" for Sun backing Conservatives.
 
 Whatever the level of ‘threat’ or ‘persuasion’, surely the most important thing for RB was to gain maximum publicity in order to sell more papers. Did she really give a stuff about the McCann case?
 
All just a pre-planned campaign imo. If it wasn't just about publicity and paper sales there was no reason for the book launch, serialisation, appeal to DC and DC calling for a review to all coincide so neatly.

"It was The Sun that done (won) it!" all over again.
 
 
 
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Post by Woofer 27.05.14 17:40

@ HelenMeg - "Can anyone explain how she forced DC to open the review? "

"QC Robert Jay claimed Mrs Brooks threatened to put Home Secretary Theresa May on the front page of The Sun every day until she ordered a new inquiry into the missing child.

But Mrs Brooks denied she had used threats and said her argument — and that of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry — had simply “persuaded” the Tory-led government soon after it took power."

Source :- http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/05/rebekah-brooks-accused-of-bullying.html
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Post by HelenMeg 27.05.14 21:40

Doug D wrote:HelenMeg,

I posted the timeline for the book release, open letter to DC, and DC’s immediate response on the
 
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9642p480-madeleine-mccann-search-to-enter-substantial-phase-of-activity#249878
 
thread yesterday, but précis some of it again here with some additional comments:
 
McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the newspaper: "The publication date for Madeleine has now been moved on to May 12 2011 in the light of the royal wedding and the subsequent media coverage that will generate.
(So don’t want to publish it when it won’t make the front pages then)
 
GM was ‘somewhat horrified’ at the suggestion of newspaper serialization of the book (as per Leveson).

(Why? Doesn't make any sense when publicity was the main agenda. Was the reality just to help push up the price?)

But Mc's agreed ‘when NI agreed to backing the campaign to search for Madeleine.’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7IvuVhWCXw   (Leveson snippets thanks to HiDeHo)
 
9 May 2011 - In a heart-rending book serialised from today in The Sun, Kate, 43, writes how she is haunted by “flashes” of Madeleine “screaming” for her and ...
 
13 May 2011 - In a moving open letter delivered to Number 10 Downing Street on their behalf by The Sun last night, (so 12th May), they call on Mr Cameron to press for a ...
 
DC response letter was dated 13 May 2011
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian
 
13th May 2011
 
‘The PM has been accused of bowing to the Murdoch empire over his decision to intervene in the Madeleine McCann case.
 
Two peers who are members of police watchdogs warned that the independence of the Metropolitan police was under threat after the prime minister brought in Scotland Yard to review the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
 
(So it appears that it was an ‘immediate’ decision, not ‘I’ll have a look and talk about it’, therefore this must have been planned in advance.)
 
Insiders at the Yard played down any suggestions that their role could quickly lead to any breakthrough in the case, saying that the review, which will cost millions of pounds, could take months or even years.
 
Labour's Lord Harris, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, accused David Cameron of bowing to Rupert Murdoch's empire, referring to Cameron's decision to call in Scotland Yard after Kate McCann wrote an open letter in the Sun asking for his help.’
 
11th May 2012 – Leveson – (RB)
Lord Justice Leveson intervened during the questioning. He asked whether Brooks was involved in a strategy to threaten No 10 in order to obtain a review of the Madeleine investigation.
 
I was certainly part of a strategy to launch a campaign in order to get a review for the McCanns,” Mrs Brooks said.
 
The suggested threat reported was that Theresa May would have ‘bad headlines’ splashed across The Sun for a week, but an alternative alleges Cameron asked Met to open review of Madeleine McCann case as "debt being repaid" for Sun backing Conservatives.
 
 Whatever the level of ‘threat’ or ‘persuasion’, surely the most important thing for RB was to gain maximum publicity in order to sell more papers. Did she really give a stuff about the McCann case?
 
All just a pre-planned campaign imo. If it wasn't just about publicity and paper sales there was no reason for the book launch, serialisation, appeal to DC and DC calling for a review to all coincide so neatly.

"It was The Sun that done (won) it!" all over again.
 
 
 
Thanks Doug D - thats great !
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Post by HelenMeg 27.05.14 21:41

Woofer wrote:@ HelenMeg - "Can anyone explain how she forced DC to open the review? "

"QC Robert Jay claimed Mrs Brooks threatened to put Home Secretary Theresa May on the front page of The Sun every day until she ordered a new inquiry into the missing child.

But Mrs Brooks denied she had used threats and said her argument — and that of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry — had simply “persuaded” the Tory-led government soon after it took power."

Source :- http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/05/rebekah-brooks-accused-of-bullying.html
Thanks Woofer - really helpful.
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Post by Watching 27.05.14 23:14

HelenMeg wrote:
Woofer wrote:@ HelenMeg - "Can anyone explain how she forced DC to open the review? "

"QC Robert Jay claimed Mrs Brooks threatened to put Home Secretary Theresa May on the front page of The Sun every day until she ordered a new inquiry into the missing child.

But Mrs Brooks denied she had used threats and said her argument — and that of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry — had simply “persuaded” the Tory-led government soon after it took power."

Source :- http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/05/rebekah-brooks-accused-of-bullying.html
Thanks Woofer - really helpful.


This may help Scroll down the page to video and you will hear exactly what was said (3.45 on video is what you are looking for)


http://www.deliberation.info/did-rebekah-brooks-threaten-david-cameron/
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Post by HelenMeg 31.05.14 21:23

Interesting comments from Blacksmith re whitewash.  Mrs
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Post by andrac 04.06.14 1:45

Tony Bennett wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
fleffer wrote:
The whole abduction story therefore now hangs on the highly doubtful claims of the Smith family.
And if he really was the abductor, how did he parade, carrying a child through the streets of Praia da Luz, to be seen, it seems, only by one Irish family, and no-one else?   
No wonder Clarence Mitchell once described this as 'a complete mystery'

And now we are being lead to believe that he was carrying, not only a child, but also a pickaxe and shovel, and dug a large hole in the car park which again, no one seems to have noticed !
Do Grange think we are stupid, or are they ?
Yes.

We havem't worked out yet that Smithman had an accomplice (Accomplice-Man) in the vilage, who had already dug a hole, and was ready with a spade (pickaxe no longer needed) to fill it in.

Mind you, Redwood woud then have to explain the following:

* how 'Smithman' (if he ever existed) wandered around Praia da Luz without been seen by anyone apart from the Irish family

* how he wasn't seen or heard abducting anyone and left no forensic trace, and

* why he would steal a child from an apartment, only to bury her an hour later. 

I think the search is on for an 'Accomplice-Man'.
did the smith family take maddie in order to blame gerry ?
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Post by ultimaThule 04.06.14 2:37

andrac wrote:

did the smith family take maddie in order to blame gerry ?

What possessed you to ask this question, andrac?  Why would the Smith family want to 'blame gerry' and don't you think they've got enough children of their own to care for without taking another one?

I would welcome you to the forum but, as I have a feeling you may not be staying too long, I'll simply say 'go in peace' which covers an entrance as well as an exit.  yes
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