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Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Guest on 27.01.14 9:39

@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
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dantezebu wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:So who the hell are SY hoping to interview? The apartment wasn't burgled it was just an innocent person walking in from the street. Nothing was stolen, even if they say we saw no children asleep the police have to believe them. The people who sanction international police investigations must be raking it in, money for the oldest of rope springs to mind as whatever they so called discover is worth the square root of diddly squat.

Which innocent person walking in from the street JS?

Anybody. It is after all only trespassing which is a civil offence. The "suspects of interest" are burglars. But they stole nothing! Unless SY are either playing a dangerous game or have ulterior motives then they will never get to the truth without arresting Kate McCann and (deleted).   Give her a 70s Gene Hunt interview A little unlikely in todays climate. I am convinced that right now the only thing that is going to reveal the truth is the sway of public opinion and the revelations of the witnesses that night IE the Tapas 7. The honeyed "we are ready to make arrests" drip fed to us from the tabloids surely cannot fool anyone.

Fixed that for you
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But there is no evidence that anyone else let alone 3 burglars were ever in 5a. Nothing was touched, nothing was moved, no drawers were opened, no cupboards ransacked, no fingerprints, no witnesses, no DNA.
Where is the evidence that indicates anyone was trespassing?

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by tigger on 27.01.14 9:44

I can simplify this as follows:

The three burglars are a husband and wife and late teenage son who is suffering terminal acne.

They entered 5a on hearing the crying. So they then soothed the child.
Meanwhile the spotty youth kept a look -out and often disguised himself as a charity collector, hiding in stairwells on occasion.

That was the first time they were in 5a, on the 2nd. But for some reason forgot to take anything.
They came back the next night, panicked and still forgot to take valuables but took Maddie away with them.

TM should be happy with that scenario.

O yes, the wife may resemble Posh Beckham, another one sorted.

We now have the three burlars and got rid of spotty, Posh, soothing couple and charity man.  big grin 

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Guest on 27.01.14 9:54

@tigger wrote:I can simplify this as follows:

The three burglars are a husband and wife and  late teenage son who is suffering terminal acne.

They  entered 5a on hearing the crying. So they then soothed the child.
Meanwhile the spotty youth kept a look -out and often disguised himself as a charity collector, hiding in stairwells  on occasion.

That was the first time they were in 5a, on the 2nd. But for some reason forgot to take anything.
They came back the next night,  panicked and still forgot to take valuables but took Maddie away with them.

TM should be happy with that  scenario.

O yes, the wife may resemble Posh Beckham, another one sorted.

We now have the three burlars and got rid of spotty, Posh, soothing couple and charity man.  big grin 

Think about it though - in the course of burgling an apartment, you find three children left all alone. You're so concerned by this that you wait there until someone returns to look after them. This experience concerns you so much that you return the next night to make sure the kids haven't been left alone again and guess what! So, after a few nights of this hokum you just think, "Ah, sod it" and you take one of them home to be properly cared for....

I realise of course that this is totally implausible. NOBODY would leave their kids unattended night after night after night.....
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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by bobbin on 27.01.14 10:09

@tigger wrote:I can simplify this as follows:

The three burglars are a husband and wife and  late teenage son who is suffering terminal acne.

They  entered 5a on hearing the crying. So they then soothed the child.
Meanwhile the spotty youth kept a look -out and often disguised himself as a charity collector, hiding in stairwells  on occasion.

That was the first time they were in 5a, on the 2nd. But for some reason forgot to take anything.
They came back the next night,  panicked and still forgot to take valuables but took Maddie away with them.

TM should be happy with that  scenario.

O yes, the wife may resemble Posh Beckham, another one sorted.

We now have the three burlars and got rid of spotty, Posh, soothing couple and charity man.  big grin 

So, with a few more loose ends to tie up, is this where the 'psychics' come in?
The above burglars, left no fingerprints, no footprints, no hair nor skin cells, nothing.
So how did they get in and out ?
It can only be that they either 'lured' Madeleine out, after she had left her cadavour odour and dried blood behind the settee, or, they themselves passed like spirits through the brick walls, appeared in the bedroom and levitating Maddie, whooshed her out, without touching a thing.
Now, back to the real world.
What might be really interesting is, what might these 'professional burglars' have 'seen', when casing the local area, as any self-respecting burglar would be doing ?

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Jemmied_Shatter on 27.01.14 10:13

dantezebu wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
dantezebu wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:So who the hell are SY hoping to interview? The apartment wasn't burgled it was just an innocent person walking in from the street. Nothing was stolen, even if they say we saw no children asleep the police have to believe them. The people who sanction international police investigations must be raking it in, money for the oldest of rope springs to mind as whatever they so called discover is worth the square root of diddly squat.

Which innocent person walking in from the street JS?

Anybody. It is after all only trespassing which is a civil offence. The "suspects of interest" are burglars. But they stole nothing! Unless SY are either playing a dangerous game or have ulterior motives then they will never get to the truth without arresting Kate McCann and (deleted).   Give her a 70s Gene Hunt interview A little unlikely in todays climate. I am convinced that right now the only thing that is going to reveal the truth is the sway of public opinion and the revelations of the witnesses that night IE the Tapas 7. The honeyed "we are ready to make arrests" drip fed to us from the tabloids surely cannot fool anyone.

Fixed that for you
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But there is no evidence that anyone else let alone 3 burglars were ever in 5a. Nothing was touched, nothing was moved, no drawers were opened, no cupboards ransacked, no fingerprints, no witnesses, no DNA.
Where is the evidence that indicates anyone was trespassing?

Look you, the official line is that dozens of sightings of creepy men were uncovered after the PJ closed the investigations. Not uncovered by some keystone cops but the BIG BOYS of private investigation. Now there is enough evidence to invoke international treaties to allow SCOTLAND YARD the powers of arrest for 3 burglars in Portugal. This does not come lightly, this is the true path of JUSTICE. The Daily Express says so on its front page and think of the hundreds of thousands of people who buy that paper.
Personally I wish that justice went to Madeleine McCann but that is not going to happen without the intervention of a Gene Hunt character.

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Bishop Brennan on 27.01.14 12:28

@worriedmum wrote:
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@Lioned wrote:Maybe they nicked the blue 'tennis' bag as it is still missing ?

Suppose Madeleine was not there on the night of the third (already gone) but they got burgled at the most awkward moment.
Sorry gone off on a bit of a tangent there.

Maybe they nicked the blue tennis bag which unknown to them contained a body...
The bag you are discussing is pictured here on a shelf in the McCanns' bedroom. The picture was taken by the police after Madeleine disappeared.

That's right. The one that subsequently disappeared, and indeed we were then told never actually existed. Although despite never existing, DP assured as that it was certainly not big enough "to hide a tennis racquet in".  thumbsup 
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that ''a, a tennis racquet ''conversation...

Post by worriedmum on 27.01.14 12:42

RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM23A
 Person Interviewed: David PAYNE Number of Pages 45
 Place of Interview: Force Headquarters, Enderby Signature of Interviewing
 Date of Interview: 11.04.08 Officer producing exhibit
 Time Commenced: 1026 hours

 Time Concluded: 1154 hours Duration of Interview: 89 minutes
 Interviewing Officer(s) DC 1485 MESSIAH Tape Reference nos:
 Other Persons Present None



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'' 1485 "What about a kit bag' Would they have a kit bag with them''
 Reply "Err he certainly didn't have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn't have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played''
 

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn't a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.'
 

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything'
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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Guest on 27.01.14 13:21

"There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything'

Why would anyone want to hide a tennis racquet???
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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by PeterMac on 27.01.14 14:51

@Bishop Brennan wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:
@suep wrote:
@Lioned wrote:Maybe they nicked the blue 'tennis' bag as it is still missing ?

Suppose Madeleine was not there on the night of the third (already gone) but they got burgled at the most awkward moment.
Sorry gone off on a bit of a tangent there.

Maybe they nicked the blue tennis bag which unknown to them contained a body...
The bag you are discussing is pictured here on a shelf in the McCanns' bedroom. The picture was taken by the police after Madeleine disappeared.

That's right. The one that subsequently disappeared, and indeed we were then told never actually existed.  Although despite never existing, DP assured as that it was certainly not big enough "to hide a tennis racquet in".  thumbsup 

And was on the shelf where Eddie alerted all that time later.
When they find the bag it should also contain a pink blanket, some beige trousers with buttons, and a whole heap of other things.

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by aiyoyo on 27.01.14 15:01

Did they have more than one identical blue bag? Remember they'd a few pair of identical pyjamas.

Odd that DP even think to formulate the idea of the possible use for the bag.
He knew where the Police was leading, instead of a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, he vocalised that thought, very strange.

We might need Hobs to analyse their depositions.
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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by Guest on 27.01.14 15:05

Normally someone would say put or carry a tennis racquet in.
"Hide" just fell out of his mouth.
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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by noddy100 on 27.01.14 15:09

How can he even comment on something that his friend says doesn't exist?

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Re: Now, here's a question, as the McCanns have ADMITTED to leaving the patio door "unlocked and unsecured" has a crime even been commited?

Post by sami on 27.01.14 15:14

@aiyoyo wrote:Did they have more than one identical blue bag?  Remember they'd a few pair of identical pyjamas.

Odd that DP even think to formulate the idea of the possible use for the bag.  
He knew where the Police was leading, instead of a simple "Yes" or "No" answer, he vocalised that thought, very strange.

We might need Hobs to analyse their depositions.


They all played tennis, even Dianne Webster.  Who is to say the bag was not DP's bag ?  I say this because there is a certain conviction with which the McCanns/Clarrie responded to certain queries, those when they were sure of the facts.  The bag was one of those questions.  Most issues, the Gaspars or knowing Murat for example, have always been avoided.

Therefore, I almost believe them when we are told they came back with everything they brought with them.   However I also believe there is a missing bag, not least because I can see it in the wardrobe.  So they must have picked up a bag somewhere along the way, why not from DP as it is clearly paying on his mind.

So, did DP and family return from holiday with everything they brought to PDL ?

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