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Vitamin C3: connection, corruption and cooperation

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Post by tigger on 11.01.14 18:51

I tried to find an existing topic on Comare, but found none. So throwing this in as it is, a compilation from various sites.
Comare is interesting as GM isn't a cancer specialist. Children's hearts are very susceptible to radiation damage but  I understand this would need to be exposure to high doses.
Leukaemia - esp childhood leukaemia can be caused by relatively low radiation dosage I believe

GORDON BROWN, ANDREW BROWN
-Andrew is involved with EDF Energy which is
Europe's largest nuclear energy producer. Andrew Brown is the media director for EDF energy, who are lobbying to build nuclear power stations in Britain.

Gordon Brown wanted  to restart the nuclear power plant building programme in Britain.

COMARE, ANDREW BROWN, COMARE DIRECTOR, GERRY McCANN
-Gerry McCann is a member of a government quango called COMARE (Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation in the Environment) which has repeatedly come out in opposition to campaigners who claim that childhood cancers are more prevalent around nuclear power stations

COMARE's director happens to be a cardiologist based at the very hospital where Gerry and Kate first met, the Glasgow Western Infirmary. If COMARE's contacts incorporate individuals in the broader nuclear industry, these might include Andrew Brown: Head of Media for Europe's largest producer of nuclear electricity... and brother of ex Prime Minister Gordon.

BELL POTTINGER, GERRY, GORDON BROWN, NUCLEAR POWER INDUSTRY
"Bell Pottinger represent both the McCanns and the Portuguese holiday village they were staying in. Bell Pottinger also provide PR for the nuclear power industry, have close connections with New Labour (Tony Blair gave Tim bell his peerage), have helped sell New labours unique vision of democracy in Iraq and and have been heavily involved with several of New labours disastrous IT schemes "


SARAH BROWN, JULIA HOBSBAWN, SKY NEWS, GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL
-Julia Hobsbawm was a partner in Hobsbawm Macaulay Communications with Sarah Macaulay, now Sarah Brown.

Julia Hobsbawm is now the founder and chief executive of media analysis and networking company Editorial Intelligence .


Julia Hobsbawm's new company 'Editorial Intelligence' specialises in analysing and exploiting comment and opinion in both print and online media. In simple terms, 'Editorial Intelligence' helps realise the potential of controlling the shape and fabric of public opinion and (d)ebate by controlling what is published in comment areas, forum areas, letters pages and message boards. They have even coined a new word for the online/published briTish public; they call it the 'Commentariat' (a play upon the word 'Proletariat' - orginally coined to describe the lower or working classes).

Julia Hobsbawm's 'Editorial Intelligence' describes itself on its website:

"Editorial Intelligence opens a door to a vital and growing world of print and online comment and opinion. What the 'Commentariat' says affects and influences the direction of public opinion and policy alike and with it, corporate reputation ...

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 11.01.14 18:56

Good stuff Tigger. Yes, this media manipulation of the public to usher in potentially unpopular policies and development is VERY relevant to this. These people are all one big happy family, aren't they?

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Post by Guest on 11.01.14 19:43

Tigger, I actually know of a poster on another forum who I would bet good money works for either COMARE, Bell Pottinger or the Labour Party or a combination of all three. Have I to rattle his cage and see what falls out?
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Post by tigger on 11.01.14 19:50

Clay Regazzoni wrote:Tigger, I actually know of a poster on another forum who I would bet good money works for either COMARE, Bell Pottinger or the Labour Party or a combination of all three. Have I to rattle his cage and see what falls out?

Oo arr! But don't forget to wear a hard hat!  pray2 

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Post by Woofer on 11.01.14 19:51

Can`t understand why GM would be on the Comare board when his speciality is not cancer. 

Wonder if there is a connection with IVF children being more prone to childhood cancers. Some research suggests it is likely, some only slightly likely and other research has said no, that its more likely connected to the fertility drugs.

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Post by Mirage on 11.01.14 19:55

Thanks Tigger. A timely reminder of some very pertinent stuff.

I'm aware of all you've written about and find it utterly chilling. I often wonder how we got from the days of Joan Baez, CND and Oxfam - which were all the sorts social conscience issues that occupied the youth of the sixties. Totalitarian nightmares were the backdrop - the brutality of Stalin for example, was recent history to me. The Kremlin,  the May Day parades, featuring hatchet faced Kruschev and a supporting cast of grotesque apparatchiks,were regular sights on the television news. To top it all off, Orwell and Kafka tolled out a warning bell to mankind.

And, today, how innocuous-seeming are the people who have subverted these innocent endeavours that laid the foundation for a freer thinking society. Who would have thought, for example, that the mumsie Sarah Brown with her chatty tweeting style could possibly have been part of an outfit that is the distant cousin of the thought police?

I did take a look at the board of COMARE some time back and McCann stuck out like a sore thumb. The majority were, as far as I recall, highly specialised in matters of radiation: most were professors of science.

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Post by tigger on 11.01.14 20:08

Thanks Mirage - does anybody know when he got onto Comare? Quangos are said to pay well and added to his lectures for Leicester University - how come they were so broke?
Or did these appointments materialise post 3/5?
Makes him look impressive but added to the CV UltimaThule dug out recently is doesn't look like a logical progression career wise.

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Post by Mirage on 11.01.14 20:29

@tigger wrote:Thanks Mirage - does anybody know when he got onto Comare? Quangos are said to pay well and added to his lectures for Leicester University - how come they were so broke?
Or did these appointments materialise post 3/5?
Makes him look impressive but added to the CV UltimaThule dug out recently is doesn't look like a logical progression career wise.

tigger , from memory his place on COMARE pre-dates 3/5/7. I will try and do some digging but am not hopeful if things are disappearing off the net. Money seems an issue for them. Why do people who, on paper, shouldn't be broke, get broke? There are parallels all around us in society. It is just a question of scaling up maybe!

No. His is not a logical career progression in my view. He seems to flit, but this fits in with the personality type he is widely acknowledged to be. His CV doesn't make a lot of sense generally. Sports medicine,to cardiology??  COMARE makes no sense whatsoever even for a flitter. There is no obvious linkage between cardio-vascular medicine and radiation that would make him an invaluable contributor IMO, And we are talking of the creme de la creme in their field. Square peg in round hole as far as I can see. A heart surgeon would at least see damaged tissue at first hand. GM's specialism is echocardiography, I believe. Diagnostic, but not in terms of radiation damage I wouldn't have thought.A haematologist would be much more relevant in terms of leukaemia and other immunity-impaired conditions..

However, the fact remains that whilst GM is no shrinking violet in the kudos stakes, his presence on that quango has to have some value for the participants; some quid pro quo. The question is what?

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Post by sallypelt on 11.01.14 20:38

Julia Hobsbawm is the daughter of the late  Eric Hobsbawm, the historian.   He was a staunch supporter of Marxism, but he still left over a million pounds in his will.

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Post by Guest on 11.01.14 20:47

@Mirage wrote:

However, the fact remains that whilst GM is no shrinking violet in the kudos stakes, his presence on that quango has to have some value for the participants; some quid pro quo. The question is what?

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Post by Lance De Boils on 11.01.14 20:56

I think the relevance of a cardiologist being a member of COMARE would be to do with MRI scanning, CT scanning and so on.
Hence the effects of radiation on the body.
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Post by Woofer on 11.01.14 23:53

@Lance De Boils wrote:I think the relevance of a cardiologist being a member of COMARE would be to do with MRI scanning, CT scanning and so on.
Hence the effects of radiation on the body.
 
Wouldn`t that be a radiologist`s speciality, not a cardiologist`s (unless GM has trained in radiology as well)?
 
Maybe they need a specialist in every body part on their board laughat .  I would have thought R O`Brien would be more appropriate as he`s an endocrinologist.
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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 0:34

I seem to recall GM's specialism is in electrocardiography, which would make him an expert in interpreting tracings.

 The other tool in cardiac diagnosis is the electrocardiogram, which is ultrasound. This is used to look at the function of the heart chambers, It can detect abnormalities of the mitral and tricuspid valves for instance, and degree of blood regurgitation (murmurs). It can also detect wiring abnormalities, for example left branch bundle, where the neural pathway that transmits the beat through heart muscle is deviated, due to heart damage (myocardial infarction) or an inherited defect. It can also detect heart enlargement atrial/ventricular fibrillation and so on. It will also show atrial/septal or atrial/ventricular defects and aneurisms etc. 

I suppose there may be reasons for a cardiac patient to have a CT or MRI but my feeling is that it is not usual, unless they do it for aortic aneurism.  Therefore I deduce CT and MRI are not the foremost diagnostic tools that GM would have everyday experience of. Just my opinion.

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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 2:01



 Apart from ECG the other tool in cardiac diagnosis is the echocardiogram, which is ultrasound. This is used to look at the function of the heart chambers, It can detect abnormalities of the mitral and tricuspid valves for instance, and degree of blood regurgitation (murmurs). It can also detect wiring abnormalities, for example left branch bundle, where the neural pathway that transmits the beat through heart muscle is deviated, due to heart damage (myocardial infarction) or an inherited defect. It can also detect heart enlargement atrial/ventricular fibrillation and so on. It will also show atrial/septal or atrial/ventricular defects and aneurisms etc. 

I suppose there may be reasons for a cardiac patient to have a CT or MRI but my feeling is that it is not usual, unless they do it for aortic aneurism.  Therefore I deduce CT and MRI are not the foremost diagnostic tools that GM would have everyday experience of. Just my opinion.[/quote]

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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 2:06

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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 2:13

@Mirage wrote:

 As well as ECG,  cardiac diagnosis is done via echocardiogram, which is ultrasound. This is used to look at the function of the heart chambers, It can detect abnormalities of the mitral and tricuspid valves for instance, and degree of blood regurgitation (murmurs). It can also detect wiring abnormalities, for example left branch bundle, where the neural pathway that transmits the beat through heart muscle is deviated, due to heart damage (myocardial infarction) or an inherited defect. It can also detect heart enlargement atrial/ventricular fibrillation and so on. It will also show atrial/septal or atrial/ventricular defects and aneurisms etc. 

I suppose there may be reasons for a cardiac patient to have a CT or MRI but my feeling is that it is not usual, unless they do it for aortic aneurism.  Therefore I deduce CT and MRI are not the foremost diagnostic tools that GM would have everyday experience of. Just my opinion.

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Post by tigger on 12.01.14 7:07

@Lance De Boils wrote:I think the relevance of a cardiologist being a member of COMARE would be to do with MRI scanning, CT scanning and so on.
Hence the effects of radiation on the body.

MRI is entirely free from radiation. Gerry learned it fairly late and btw if he'd been shoehorned on to a Quango it explains imo how he was awarded the fellowship learn to use MRI. Imo not ability but connection.

CT scanning effect would be well known by then and seeing how Comare counters the reports which show an increase in child leukaemia near nuclear power stations an expert in that field should be on Comare.

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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 10:44

tigger

Agreed the COMARE aspect is interesting esp in terms of it's connection to G Brown's intended nuclear policy and all his associated political links.   Seems like they are indeed one big  happy family.   omg 

I have been looking at the COMARE website and cannot see G Mccann on the list of members now (am sure he was on there a month two ago).

http://www.comare.org.uk/comare_members.htm

Anybody know if he is still a member and where he is listed?

(Disclosure: new poster, avid reader of this forum, have a v precious three year old, have a need to understand the truth)
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Post by tigger on 12.01.14 11:11

BlackCatBoogie wrote:tigger

Agreed the COMARE aspect is interesting esp in terms of it's connection to G Brown's intended nuclear policy and all his associated political links.   Seems like they are indeed one big  happy family.   omg 

I have been looking at the COMARE website and cannot see G Mccann on the list of members now (am sure he was on there a month two ago).

http://www.comare.org.uk/comare_members.htm

Anybody know if he is still a member and where he is listed?

(Disclosure: new poster, avid reader of this forum, have a v precious three year old, have a need to understand the truth)

Welcome! - and thanks for looking it up - the lack of McCann on Comare is interesting. i was under the impression that these appointments last for as long as the quango exists.
Way back machine might tell us or an FOI request. It would be interesting to find out when exactly Dr. M left.

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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 11:42

Thanks for the welcome tigger

I forgot about the Wayback Machine, I will try it later.
If anyone else is looking I am sure I saw his name on the COMARE membership page and I would definitely have seen it in the last four/five months. 

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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 12:14

@tigger wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:I think the relevance of a cardiologist being a member of COMARE would be to do with MRI scanning, CT scanning and so on.
Hence the effects of radiation on the body.

MRI is entirely free from radiation.  Gerry learned it fairly late and btw if he'd been shoehorned  on to a Quango it explains imo how he was awarded the fellowship learn to use MRI.  Imo not ability but connection.

CT scanning effect would be well known by then and seeing how Comare counters the reports which show an increase in child leukaemia  near nuclear power stations an expert in that field should be on Comare.

I have been coming at this purely from the angle of the unlikely scenario of GM encountering and/or diagnosing cases of leukaemia or related auto-immune diseases in the course of his work as a cardiologist..

Predominantly, the raison d'etre of COMARE is the study of effects of radiation on people living near nuclear stations, as tigger makes clear. They are not interested in radiation-emitting equipment in hospitals (background radiation to them). As I assumed this was a given, I outlined the diagnostic tools of the cardiologist (as far as my knowledge permits) only to highlight the nonsensical idea that GM routinely encounters leukaemia cases in the cardiology department.

 So there appears to be no discernible reason for him to be taking up a valuable seat on a panel of heavyweight experts on radiation IMO.

Interesting that his name no longer appears. I last saw it there around a year ago IIRC.

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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 12:30

According to the Wayback machine Dr G P McCann was on the COMARE Medical Practices Subcommittee from the October 2006 version of the website to the July 2008 version.  There is then a year gap in versions to May 2009 and he is by then, absent.  I haven't looked at every single date since 2009 so possibly he could have re-appeared/disappeared at some point but he is defintely not on there from autumn 2013 to present. 

So looks as though he left (probably for good) sometime after July 2008. Interesting as I too, thought that these quangos were for the long-haul.

Mirage - I am too sure I saw it there in the last four months as per my previous post but according to the Wayback Machine it is is not there. Maybe someone else can check through the machine later, I think it needs verifying it been a Sunday morning  Shocked .
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.14 12:48

I do not know if this is relevant:

Edward Smethurst:

1. Has holidayed every year in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz with the children of one of his three families ever since 1999

2. Got his first major job at British Nuclear Fuels Ltd (BNFL)

3. Is a top-ranking Freemason in the East Lancashire Province

4. His boss at British Nucelar Fuels was Alvin Shuttleworth, the Head of Legal Sesrvices for BNFL, another very high-ranking Freemason indeed in the East Lancashire Province

5. Alvin Shuttleworth and Edward Smethurst were and are both in the same Freemasons Lodge in East Lancashire. Alvin Shuttleworth has throughout Smethurst's life been his father-figure and mentor within and outside Freemasonry, ever since Smethurst's father, Gerald Smethurst, died in a mysterious fire at his home on Smethurst's thirteenth birthday

6. Smethurst and Shuttleworth worked together to deny compensation to the families of children who lived near BNFL's Sellafield plant and contracted leukemia

7. Smethurst became the McCanns' co-ordinating lawyer, allegedly after a call out of the blue from Smethurst's new boss, Cheshire businessman Brian Kenendy, said to have been received by Gereald McCann on Wednesday 12 September 2007

8. Smethurst has been a Director of Madeleine's Fund ever since 2009.

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Post by Mirage on 12.01.14 12:53

BlackCatBoogie wrote:According to the Wayback machine Dr G P McCann was on the COMARE Medical Practices Subcommittee from the October 2006 version of the website to the July 2008 version.  There is then a year gap in versions to May 2009 and he is by then, absent.  I haven't looked at every single date since 2009 so possibly he could have re-appeared/disappeared at some point but he is defintely not on there from autumn 2013 to present. 

So looks as though he left (probably for good) sometime after July 2008. Interesting as I too, thought that these quangos were for the long-haul.

Mirage - I am too sure I saw it there in the last four months as per my previous post but according to the Wayback Machine it is is not there. Maybe someone else can check through the machine later, I think it needs verifying it been a Sunday morning  Shocked .
BlackCatBoogie - Brilliant work! You're like Doctor Who!

 Thinking about it again it was probably around end of 2011 to beginning of 2012 that I saw his name. I'm basing it on the time I resurrected interest in the case. Then again, I suppose it;s possible I saw an historic document and not a current one at the time. If that makes sense.

Thinking outside the box is it possible he may not have been on the board predominantly in respect of his medical qualifications? I just wonder whether he had any personal experience of cluster-related leukaemia, for example.

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Post by Guest on 12.01.14 13:19

@Mirage wrote:

Predominantly, the raison d'etre of COMARE is the study of effects of radiation on people living near nuclear stations, as tigger makes clear.

I thought their agenda was slightly more slanted than that - ie. they study the effects of radiation on people living nuclear power stations with an aim to concluding that there aren't any. Could be wrong though.
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