Strange Rumours Circulating about Bernard Hogan Howe

@Ladyinred wrote:The call to 5 Live is a blur now, but did anyone hear when I attempted to correct something that Nicky said about the Portugese police?

@Ladyinred wrote:The call to 5 Live is a blur now, but did anyone hear when I attempted to correct something that Nicky said about the Portugese police?

candyfloss wrote:

@Ladyinred wrote:The call to 5 Live is a blur now, but did anyone hear when I attempted to correct something that Nicky said about the Portugese police?

Can you tell us what question you asked and what the answer was LIR

@Ladyinred wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

@Ladyinred wrote:The call to 5 Live is a blur now, but did anyone hear when I attempted to correct something that Nicky said about the Portugese police?

Can you tell us what question you asked and what the answer was LIR

Candyfloss, I asked for an up-date on Operation Grange.  His reply was that it was progressing, then a conversation between BHH and Nicky about the investigation.  It seems he's going along with the parents' version.  You can hear it again shortly on BBC website.  My question is at about 9.50am.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vcjg8

candyfloss wrote:

@Ladyinred wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

@Ladyinred wrote:The call to 5 Live is a blur now, but did anyone hear when I attempted to correct something that Nicky said about the Portugese police?

Can you tell us what question you asked and what the answer was LIR

Candyfloss, I asked for an up-date on Operation Grange.  His reply was that it was progressing, then a conversation between BHH and Nicky about the investigation.  It seems he's going along with the parents' version.  You can hear it again shortly on BBC website.  My question is at about 9.50am.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vcjg8

Thank you   

@Woofer wrote:Just listened LIR - you sounded fine.  BHH was less judgemental than that twit Nicky who was casting aspersions against the PJ from the off - didn`t let you have an opportunity to correct it.  BHH admitted they have names of suspects but hve different lines of enquiry to PJ but are making progress in working more together.

@Tony Bennett wrote:(have posted the same on the other thread)

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I think the entire content of this question and answer is very very instructive and particuarly so since it is unarguably a comment on the record from the United Kingdon's most senior police officer, Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner.

Who has already stated on the record that his officers were not lying about Andrew Mitchell MP ('Plebgate Man') when in fact they were lying - and one of them has just been sent to jail for a year for lying.

(By the way, we can be pretty sure that Nicky Campbell and the BBC knew in advance that Ladyinred/Christine's question was going to be about the Madeleine McCann investigation. I have contributed on the 'phone lines of a number of programmes on controversial issues many times, and they always ask who you are and 'what do you want to say?' as a means of (a) checking that the caller is reasonably articulate and (b) knowing in advance what point is going to be raised. This is done to ensure so far as possible that there is a representative selection of views and that extremist or politically incorrect views are not allowed).

So, to the main points that were made, in the order that they were made:

1. BHH says: 'Grange, Operation Grange? - not heard about that one, we have so many operations...'

2. Nicky Campbell says: 'The Portuguese Police really, really messed up. didn't they?'

(Ladyinred/Christine is heard to say 'Yes' at this point)

3. BHH - we have sent 3 letters of request

4. BHH - to the judiciary and the police, 'that's the way things work in Portugal'

5. BHH - 'we are working closely together'

6. BHH - (on the record) 'we are working on different lines of enquiry' (he repeats this later for emphasis)

7. BHH - 'we are working together to resolve that' (i.e. we are working together to resolve the fact that we are working on totally different lines of enquiry (!))

8. BHH - 'the torment faced by the McCanns and...the terrible uncertainty is being lost in all of this' (plus more similar comments about the McCanns)

9. Nicky Campbell - 'are their suspects?': BHH - Yes (repeated later)

10. Nicky Campbell - 'do you have actual names?' - BHH - 'I am not going to answer that...we are following certain lines of enquiry'

11. BHH - 'not going to be judgmental about the Portuguese Police, about what they did or didn't do, we just need to get to work together'

12. BHH - 'so we are insist... (pauses, and changes the word he was going to use) ...achieving a genuine partnership...'

13. Nicky Campbell - 'If you had been in at the start of the investigation, would we have some results by now?' - BHH - 'well, unfair question to ask, mustn't be too judgmental...go to work together now etc.

14. BHH 'we are making 'some' progress

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So much to consider here, hope we can have a full transcript

@pennylane wrote:"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them. Either way they’ve got that terrible uncertainty so we’re all trying our best to help resolve that."

The poor innocent McCanns again, Hogan-Howe is doing a Redwood, and is joined at the hip with Jim Gamble et al in their sleazy objectives (imo).

As far as Operation Grange's remit and direction are concerned, the writing is on the wall folks!

@aiyoyo wrote:

@pennylane wrote:"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them. Either way they’ve got that terrible uncertainty so we’re all trying our best to help resolve that."

The poor innocent McCanns again, Hogan-Howe is doing a Redwood, and is joined at the hip with Jim Gamble et al in their sleazy objectives (imo).

As far as Operation Grange's remit and direction are concerned, the writing is on the wall folks!

I bet he shat his pants after the interview as he nearly put his foot in it.

@worriedmum wrote:Christine in Cardiff:

Good morning, good morning Sir Bernard...I'd like to ask you on the progress of Operation Grange?
BHH: Right, we have a ,lots  of op operations so you're going to have..

Nicky :Operation Grange, just?
CiC: Operation Grange,
Nicky: Which is?
CiC: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
BHH :Ah right thank you for helping
CiC: That's okay

BHH.. but we do have a lot of operations in London so I'm sorry if I didn't recognise it immediately

Nicky :Portuguese police really messed up didn't they

BHH Yes (answering Cic)

Cic: Yes, no-er, what did you say Nicky?

BHH: Er I'm not going to respond to Nicky's comments let me just let me just help.Where we are at the moment ,we have sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese er judiciary because that's the way their system works and also with the police we are working closely with them obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of enquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we are working together to try and resolve that erm we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this quite often their torment gets lost, have they lost a child or, er,by being murdered,or sadly, or, have they lost a child by someone else stealing them..

Nicky: Awful..

BHH: Either way they've got that terrible uncertainty so we're all trying our best to help resolve that

Nicky: Do you have suspects?

BHH: Yes, we've said very clearly that you know we've got lines erm of enquiry that erm are different to the Portuguese Police and were working with them to try and resolve that, and I'm only gonna , you know that comment you made at the beginning about you know what they did or didn't do, we've got to work together on this  and I don't mean that as a naive,thing, I just think generally,we've genuinely got to work together,we can't police Portugal  they can't do everything over here we must work together, so we're insist..you know we really can work in genuine partnership on this,we're making some progress erm let's see how it comes over the next few months..

Nicky:If you'd been involved at the outset do you think you might have got further with this investigation?

BHH: Er I think that's a bit unfair,that would be unfair, I mean there's been inquiries in erm in the UK where we know that the police could have done better and I think to be too judgemental in these cases is, is wrong and I wasn't there and I'm not going to judge them the main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.

Nicky:And you have lines of enquiries, you have suspects, lines of enquiry, you have names ?

BHH:That's right...

Nicky : ...and I appreciate well ,how you can't at this stage,go any further, and have you spoken to those people ?..


BHH: Er I'm not going to go any further really because that's what you said you didn't want..

@Woofer wrote:Interesting where he inserts the word `sadly` - not before being murdered, but before someone else stealing them.

"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

So he saying its not particularly sad if she`s been murdered but it is if someone else has stolen her.

@worriedmum wrote:

@Woofer wrote:Interesting where he inserts the word `sadly` - not before being murdered, but before someone else stealing them.

"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

So he saying its not particularly sad if she`s been murdered but it is if someone else has stolen her.

in the interview it does  link with the  'murdered' comment..

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

@worriedmum wrote:

@Woofer wrote:Interesting where he inserts the word `sadly` - not before being murdered, but before someone else stealing them.

"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

So he saying its not particularly sad if she`s been murdered but it is if someone else has stolen her.

in the interview it does  link with the  'murdered' comment..

Yes that's my understanding too - he adds 'sadly' as an afterthought to the murder comment, and then carries on again with "... or have they...".

@worriedmum wrote:"Have they lost a child or, erm, by being murdered or, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.''

Is he saying that there are  TWO people/sets of people being considered here?