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Post by Guest on 16.04.14 20:22

@Judex Venturus wrote:
parapono wrote:ignorami first person plural, declination male words ending on -us

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Not first person plural -- that's verbs not nouns. It is the nominative case plural... boring but correct!
It's a verb. Ignorare. Ignoro ignoras ignorat ignoramus ignoratis ignorant. First person plural. The saying refers to a play, called Ignoramus, about a common lawyer, nicknamed Ignoramus, being ridiculed by snotty boys.
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Post by whmon on 16.04.14 20:23

Amo
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Amat it again

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Post by Guest on 16.04.14 20:31

On a lighter note:

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Post by Nina on 16.04.14 21:11

@whmon wrote:Amo
Amas
Amat it again
And that, dear whmon, is as far is it got for me. I regret to say that I struggle with other languages, even struggle with my own, and I have had it for many years. So I am in absolute awe at posters who can speak in other tongues, straight off the cuff  howdy Hats off to you all  bravo

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Post by Judex Venturus on 16.04.14 21:39

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parapono wrote:ignorami first person plural, declination male words ending on -us

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Not first person plural -- that's verbs not nouns. It is the nominative case plural... boring but correct!
It's a verb. Ignorare. Ignoro ignoras ignorat ignoramus ignoratis ignorant. First person plural. The saying refers to a play, called Ignoramus, about a common lawyer, nicknamed Ignoramus, being ridiculed by snotty boys.
Ok, MarcoG, we know our Latin verbs, but you are still missing the point.
I quote for accuracy; "After George Ruggle's 1615 play the word "Ignoramus" came into popular use to mean "fool" or "dunce."
So "ignoramus," which as you rightly say is the first person plural of the verb "ignorare", became a popular noun meaning dunce. Nouns have declensions and cases, verbs have numbers and persons. So the nominative plural case of the nominative singular masculine noun "ignoramus" would be "ignorami."
But as "ignoramus" is merely a noun "coined" by an English comic playwright, the plural ignoramuses would also be perfectly defensible.
The fact remains that I was talking about a noun and not a verb. I hope I have now made my point more clearly.
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Post by Guest on 16.04.14 23:55

@Judex Venturus wrote:
Not first person plural -- that's verbs not nouns. It is the nominative case plural... boring but correct!
Ok, MarcoG, we know our Latin verbs, but you are still missing the point. 
I quote for accuracy; "After George Ruggle's 1615 play the word "Ignoramus" came into popular use to mean "fool" or "dunce."
So "ignoramus," which as you rightly say is the first person plural of the verb "ignorare", became a popular noun meaning dunce. Nouns have declensions and cases, verbs have numbers and persons. So the nominative plural case of the nominative singular masculine noun "ignoramus" would be "ignorami."
But as "ignoramus" is merely a noun "coined" by an English comic playwright, the plural ignoramuses would also be perfectly defensible.
The fact remains that I was talking about a noun and not a verb. I hope I have now made my point more clearly.
I think there wouldn't be a plural form like ignorami, because it's not a Latin noun, but an English one. A Latin verb, used as an English noun. That was my point, Judex. I wasn't missing yours. But thank you.
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Post by lj on 17.04.14 1:27

@whmon wrote:Amo
Amas
Amat it again


 big grin 


I have to remember that one.

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Post by lj on 17.04.14 1:33

Châtelaine wrote:On a lighter note:


Dat opent de dijken van herinneringen

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Post by tigger on 17.04.14 20:29

@lj wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:On a lighter note:


Dat opent de dijken van herinneringen

Brilliant! thank you, still have an LP of Brel at L'Olympia Paris. Ahhhhhh.....

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Post by Guest on 17.04.14 21:17

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Post by Doug D on 18.04.14 8:42

@PeterMac wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
I have heard via Facebook from someone in Portugal that the stopping and starting of court cases is nothing out of the usual with their court system.
Perhaps one of our members in Portugal will be able to confirm this?

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Coming back on track (naughty people!), any joy yet PeterMac?
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Post by PeterMac on 18.04.14 9:14

@Doug D wrote:
Coming back on track (naughty people!), any joy yet PeterMac?

Not yet, but it is Easter week, so pretty well everything has shut down.
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Post by Doug D on 18.04.14 9:38

Thanks PeterMac.

Back to being naughty again then I suppose!
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Post by Liz Eagles on 18.04.14 10:37

Madeleine's disappearance (to me anyhow) is now (calculatedly?) reduced to the anniversaries of her disappearance, her birthdays and the publication each year of the Fund accounts.

Gone are the numerous sightings (since the Crime Watch programmes)

Gone are the McCanns from their hotspot on telly sofas.

Gone are the McCanns from high profile charity sporting events (Kate has been reduced to a photograph of ambassador status on the Missing People website and is no longer promoted on the homepage).

Gone are the McCanns from anything public.

So in a nutshell, apart from the media who like to print anything with 'Maddie' on their pages there is nothing other than what seems to me to be a cleverly orchestrated cover-up in its penultimate phase.
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Post by Guest on 19.04.14 14:47

Yes, Aquila, there's been no "latest news" on McCannfiles either, and nothing from Dr. Roberts for several weeks.  Very quiet indeed.
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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.14 15:47

aquila wrote:Madeleine's disappearance (to me anyhow) is now (calculatedly?) reduced to the anniversaries of her disappearance, her birthdays and the publication each year of the Fund accounts.
Gone are the numerous sightings (since the Crime Watch programmes)
Gone are the McCanns from their hotspot on telly sofas.
Gone are the McCanns from high profile charity sporting events (Kate has been reduced to a photograph of ambassador status on the Missing People website and is no longer promoted on the homepage).
Gone are the McCanns from anything public
So in a nutshell, apart from the media who like to print anything with 'Maddie' on their pages there is nothing other than what seems to me to be a cleverly orchestrated cover-up in its penultimate phase.

Also Gone are many of the ghastly mentally disturbed "supporters" on the Twitter sites
Also Gone (DV !) is Mitchell's daily or weekly rambling about sightings or persons of interest

Not yet seen are details of any of the "imminent arrests", or of the details of the interviews with the dozens of Persons of Interest, whose details, including names were known, as we were promised by Scotland Yard's finest some months ago.

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Post by Okeydokey on 19.04.14 21:09

It's like those old Western movies -

"Nothing ahead, Captain - it's all quiet."

"Quiet?...too darn quiet, if you ask me..."
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Post by PeterMac on 19.04.14 21:52

@Okeydokey wrote:It's like those old Western movies -
"Nothing ahead, Captain - it's all quiet."
"Quiet?...too darn quiet, if you ask me..."

And then the spoofs.
Tonto " what he say"
"Too quiet"
Ok "Whooo, whoo, whoo, aauuuuuhhhh, aauuuhhhh, mmmoooo, mmmooo

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Post by Doug D on 28.04.14 22:24

From Dewi Lennard's twitter:

Mari Welzel @umweltbuerger 7h @kikoratton @RothleyPillow @metpoliceuk Have you heard anything Kiko about the libel's summing up & the re-opening of Maddie's case? #McCann
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@umweltbuerger @RothleyPillow Nothing! @mariaccnr is always looking out, but she's about the only Portuguese person who's bothered, it seems
           
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Thank you Kikoratton.
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Post by Nelly6969 on 30.04.14 10:43

http://pjga.blogspot.com/2014/04/libel-trial-update-appeal.html

As many of you will know, the trial of the action that opposes the McCann couple to Gonçalo Amaral, and others, has been suspended, awaiting information about the status of Madeleine McCann as a Ward of Court. 

The documentation that attests that status has been requested and obtained by Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer through a lawyer in London from the competent court, and will soon be delivered to the judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon. 

The obtainment of said evidence was time-consuming and expensive, and the costs will be fully met by Gonçalo Amaral. 

We appeal, once more, to those who are able to help us to collect the funds that are needed to cover this expense, to contribute through Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral. 

Thank you.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.04.14 10:55

@Nelly6969 wrote:http://pjga.blogspot.com/2014/04/libel-trial-update-appeal.html

As many of you will know, the trial of the action that opposes the McCann couple to Gonçalo Amaral, and others, has been suspended, awaiting information about the status of Madeleine McCann as a Ward of Court. 

The documentation that attests that status has been requested and obtained by Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer through a lawyer in London from the competent court, and will soon be delivered to the judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon. 

The obtainment of said evidence was time-consuming and expensive, and the costs will be fully met by Gonçalo Amaral. 

We appeal, once more, to those who are able to help us to collect the funds that are needed to cover this expense, to contribute through Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral. 

Thank you.
This confirms, then, that this lengthy adjournment has been at the request of Goncalo Amaral and his legal team.

In 6 weeks' time, it will be 5 years since this long-running trial commenced with the McCanns' writ in the Lisbon Civil Court, alleging that Goncalo Amaral's book had caused them 'irreparable long-term emotional' damage etc. 

Five years is a long time in anyone's lifetime

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Post by sallypelt on 30.04.14 11:39

"Something weird happening in twitter!! Links and photos being whooshed within seconds of going on - allegedly GA's lawyers are now in receipt of the long awaited WOC documentation and are just about to submit it to Court!"
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Post by ultimaThule on 30.04.14 11:44

@ultimaThule wrote:
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@Doug D wrote:‘Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer filed a request for the court to evaluate the McCann couple's legitimacy to file a lawsuit in their daughter's name, as she is a Ward of Court in the UK.
 
He did not ask for any postponement. It was the judge that issued a 15-day deadline for him to submit the relevant documentation’.
 
Not being a legal person, so I may be completely off track, but I would have thought that of everything being considered in the trial, the WOC situation was one of the few things that was actually black & white.
I have no idea how long and detailed a WOC document is, but it must surely be readily available and once submitted (within the 15 day deadline given) should not take three months to evaluate.
 
 

Would it be possible that a request is being made to justice Hog if she on behalf of Madeleine would enter the trial, if that is at all possible. I can see judge Hog taking a nice long time to decide.
As far as I can ascertain, a transcript of the hearing in the High Court in April 2008 which maintained Madeleine Beth McCann as a Ward of the Court until such time as the the Wardship is discharged or she attains her majority is not in the public domain, nor has the Order been made public (nb: the content of the Order is a subject for further speculation).

It may therefore be that such evidence of Wardship which is available has been submitted to the judge and the defence have asked the Lisbon court to make a formal request to the High Court in London for the necessary confirmations.  However, given the speed at which the higher courts move and the necessity for all letters/documents to be translated on both sides, it may take some time before the Lisbon court is in possession of the facts of the matter which it has been asked to evaluate.

While the 'WOC situation' is 'black and white' insofar as the law of England/Wales is concerned, DougD, as I understand it there is no equivalent to Ward of Court in Portuguese law and it may be that the Lisbon court will find it necessary to utilise the services of a lawyer who is familiar with these proceedings in English law to assist in any evaluation,

In this particular case the custody of the child is vested in the High Court and it is probable that care and control of the Ward has been given to the parents.  However, as previously stated, no important step can be taken in the child's life without the court's consent and it is customary for consent to be sought by those who have been granted care and control of the Ward prior to any important step being taken in her life, 

It can, of course, be argued that being named in libel proceedings is an 'important step' in this child's life, as it would be for any child regardless of their legal status, and, also as previously stated, as yet I have been able to find any precedent in English law for this unusual step to be taken.

Prior to their application and on the making of the Order, the parents would have been fully advised of the merits and otherwise of Wardship, including the requirement for the court's consent to be sought prior to any important steps being taken in her life.

Other than the transcript of the hearing which took place in June 2008, at which the McCanns' withdrew their demand that Leicestershire Police provide all of the information which they hold on file in respect of Madeleine's disappearance, the Wardship proceedings have been kept secret and we do not know what consents have been granted or what other Orders have been made.

If it transpires that the McCanns' failed to seek the court's consent before they embarked on legal proceedings in respect of themselves, the Ward, and their younger siblings, it will not simply be a matter of asking the court to give retrospective consent to the Lisbon proceedings nor can the court, or Mrs Justice Hogg for that matter, 'enter the trial on behalf of Madeleine', lj.

Of course it may be that the McCanns' sought and were given the appropriate consent(s), or that the Wardship was discharged prior to the commencement of the proceedings, but in any event all we can sure of is that no date will be set for closing arguments unless and until whatever matters or issues under consideration in the Lisbon court are resolved.
Now that we have confirmation of what I suspected has been taking place in Lisbon, I'm re-posting the above response which I made on 11 April in order that we can given consideration to the issues arising from the Wardship which is being evaluated by the trial judge.
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Post by canada12 on 30.04.14 11:50

I wonder if this means the details of the Ward of Court will now be made public, since they may have to be presented as part of the court proceedings in Lisbon?
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