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Three burglars.Kate Gerry and green ink.
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Throughout all of this the words that return to me over and over again are those of GM in the airport bus: "F*** off! I'm not here to enjoy myself."
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Didn't know where to post - so put here. Apparently according to Guido Fawkes website - order-order - some strange rumours are circulating about a scandal involving Bernard Hogan Howe.......Could be interesting. Shall stay watching this site tonight. Though it might not be to do with Madeleine, it might be something else awkward which may throw some questions as to his judgement - what might happen if he loses his position I wonder? Will Andy Redwood be permitted to carry on spending (wasting) millions of tax payers cash on a wild abductor case? Could be very interesting.
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So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.beijos wrote:ultimaThule wrote:While travelling in Spain back in 1998/99, I bought a new Sony Ericsson PAYG mobile for a modest sum - special offer c£25. There was no requirement to register it to my name. I topped it up at whatever gas station or other outlet I happened to come across whenever the credit was getting low and I expect similar deals were available in/around Luz in May 2007.
As I very much doubt they were tipped off about the press hacking phones, it would appear the McCanns and their pals had other reasons for ensuring their communications stayed private and it's more likely their primary concern was the possibility of the police tracing and/or listening to their calls.
When trawling through the data, it may be that unexplained activity between Luz and places the McCanns and their pals are known to have called on their registered mobiles will come to light.
Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey...
I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.
We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).
Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.
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So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....
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Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....
The Camerons (Gerry's sister) were able to borrow a car from friends when they got to Portugal.
I've never believed the babes in the wood myth. The Algarve isn't called Little Britain for nothing. Also - as Praaia? told us - has very few CCTV cameras in public places.
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Wasn't this something to do with a relative of DP (?brother in law) with a name like Oldridge or Aldridge? He was in the UK at the time so must have had contacts in PdL. I seem to remember he had a connection to the construction industry.
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Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....
Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.
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Payne was at pains to not be able to remember the person easily, a friend of a friend etc. so no 'finger pointing' and all innocent and kind enough, offering to let them spend the night etc. helping fellow citizens out type of thing..Monty Heck wrote:Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....
Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.
But very good point Clay R. "Newness", yes, draw attention to their newness...except that on analysis and hindsight, it looks like a 'staging' comment, so we naturally are drawn to look at any indication of 'previous use of PAYG' and then find plenty of indications, like simultaneous phones going off, then on in synchrony, and irregular patterns in Mobile phone activity followed by zero.
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With you re babes in the wood myth - there was a massive amount help of all kinds on offer, but there is just something about getting these phones so early on in this way. People were absolutely willing to join searches, put up posters, do whatever they could to assist, but if someone you knew who knew someone connected to the McCs called you early doors and asked you to source a few PAYG handsets and get them delivered to them at Portimao immediately, wouldn't you have thought "what on earth for?" The explanations given for the sudden need for these phones just don't seem to adequately explain why when reading of them now which does seem to beg the question, who did source the phones and why?tigger wrote:Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days.....
The Camerons (Gerry's sister) were able to borrow a car from friends when they got to Portugal.
I've never believed the babes in the wood myth. The Algarve isn't called Little Britain for nothing. Also - as Praaia? told us - has very few CCTV cameras in public places.
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I can't imagine the canny wee one would have trusted PAYG or any other mobiles which came to him/his pals through consular or other 'official' assistance.Monty Heck wrote:Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....
Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.
The phones could have travelled out on either of the Tapas 9's flights and SIM cards bought in Spain if it proved too risky to buy Portuguese ones in Luz, or one of the numerous 'aides' who'd flown to the assistance of the grieving couple could have gifted them with PAYGs purchased especially for the occasion in England.
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ultimaThule wrote:I can't imagine the canny wee one would have trusted PAYG or any other mobiles which came to him/his pals through consular or other 'official' assistance.Monty Heck wrote:Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
So purchasing PAYG phones by no means a simple process nontheless no problem getting 2 handsets delivered PDQ by "friends of friends" at Portimao PJ station that very first day. This would require assistance from people with not only excellent local knowledge but in all probability language skills, and also what must surely have been a high level of commitment. The "abduction" was barely announced yet there were apparently quite distantly connected people with the requisite means and intent to accomplish this. Can't help thinking help of this kind seems rather more akin to professional (Consular?) assistance than random do gooders, who by lucky chance happened to be in the vicinity that very morning.
If you think about it, getting the PAYG phones delivered to the Police station on the 4th would be a good way of drawing attention to their "newness" - even if you'd already been using them for several days....
Good point but wouldn't that mean dependence on some third party accomplice/s? Seems a bit high risk but that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility - there are so many strange things about this entire case.
The phones could have travelled out on either of the Tapas 9's flights and SIM cards bought in Spain if it proved too risky to buy Portuguese ones in Luz, or one of the numerous 'aides' who'd flown to the assistance of the grieving couple could have gifted them with PAYGs purchased especially for the occasion in England.
never thought of that UT, but very good. The more I read here, the more I see it is important to develop a criminal mind.
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Yes, Simon Aldridge, married to Fiona Payne's sister. He owns a Roofing company near Doncaster. It was apparently his brothers wife who had friends in the Algarve who arranged the delivery of the phones.suep wrote:Wasn't this something to do with a relative of DP (?brother in law) with a name like Oldridge or Aldridge? He was in the UK at the time so must have had contacts in PdL. I seem to remember he had a connection to the construction industry.
But take a look at this part of Dianne Webster's statement, something very fishy here. Looks like someone was trying to cover their tracks. It would be interesting to know the date of these calls.
4078 “And the last number then Dianne is o, seven, eight, nine, nine, eight, one, eight, seven, one, three.”
Reply “One, three. Who else would I have called?”
4078 “Do you know a Dave MIDDLETON?”
Reply “Dave MIDDLETON? (Shakes head).”
4078 “No?”
Reply “No.”
4078 “Do you know anybody in Doncaster?”
Reply “Err no, but Louise, my middle daughter, she’s married to err Simon ALDRIDGE who, his company err Doncaster, I’m sure it’s around Doncaster where his business is.”
4078 “What’s his line of work?”
Reply “They’re err it’s a roof tiler.”
4078 “That’s the one yeah.”
Reply “Yeah.”
4078 “Yeah. Sandtoft Roof Tiles.”
Reply “Sandtoft yeah that’s it.”
4078 “The person that’s bought the phone or registered the phone must be called Dave MIDDLETON. Okay, so that’s your son in-law then?”
Reply “Yeah. Well not the Dave MIDDLETON, he’s not.”
4078 “No.”
Reply “No. My son in-law’s…”
4078 “Simon ALDRIDGE.”
Reply “Yeah.”
4078 “That’s it for the phone numbers.”
Reply “That’s it for the phone numbers.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm
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Same with Kate's friends the Pattersons who flew out to support them on the 8th May. (Neal Patterson was the one that supposedly took her the bible). He said in his Rog statement that he got a lift from the airport to PDL with someone he knew. Hmm....tigger wrote:
The Camerons (Gerry's sister) were able to borrow a car from friends when they got to Portugal.
I've never believed the babes in the wood myth. The Algarve isn't called Little Britain for nothing. Also - as Praaia? told us - has very few CCTV cameras in public places.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PE-PA.htm
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Daisy wrote:
4078 “Do you know a Dave MIDDLETON?”
Reply “Dave MIDDLETON? (Shakes head).”
So is Dave Middleton the Algarve contact of Simon Aldridge?
Wasn't there a mysterious Dave who assisted in the searches of the OC apartments?
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I can't imagine the canny wee one would have trusted PAYG or any other mobiles which came to him/his pals through consular or other 'official' assistance.
The phones could have travelled out on either of the Tapas 9's flights and SIM cards bought in Spain if it proved too risky to buy Portuguese ones in Luz, or one of the numerous 'aides' who'd flown to the assistance of the grieving couple could have gifted them with PAYGs purchased especially for the occasion in England.
I suddenly feel that these phones are extremely key to events. I'd like to understand better the technicalities of matching a (presumably) locked UK sourced PAYG handset with a PT sourced SIM back in 2007.
There are lots of candidates for "mule" - Murat or Pennington for instance just off the top of my head.
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You are so right Daisy, there is something very odd about Diane Webster and the Doncaster bit. To quote from the website, www.sandtoft.com, Sandtoft Roof Tiles is the UK's largest independent roof tile manufacturer, yet if you were to listen to Diane Webster you would think she had never heard of her son-in-law's business before or at best it was some two bit operation run by a man and his van. Definitely not something to be "erring" about. It's as if these people are trying to recall from a script sometimes and badly at that.
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No clay, the calls were to/from Doncaster. SA's place of business. It sounds like the contact with SA was made by using someone elses phone (D Middleton). Now why would this be if not to cover tracks?Clay Regazzoni wrote:Daisy wrote:
4078 “Do you know a Dave MIDDLETON?”
Reply “Dave MIDDLETON? (Shakes head).”
So is Dave Middleton the Algarve contact of Simon Aldridge?
Wasn't there a mysterious Dave who assisted in the searches of the OC apartments?
4078 “Do you know anybody in Doncaster?”
Reply “Err no, but Louise, my middle daughter, she’s married to err Simon ALDRIDGE who, his company err Doncaster, I’m sure it’s around Doncaster where his business is.”
4078 “The person that’s bought the phone or registered the phone must be called Dave MIDDLETON. Okay, so that’s your son in-law then?”
Reply “Yeah. Well not the Dave MIDDLETON, he’s not.”
@ MissDaisy, I agree DW seems to be caught completely off guard when questioned about the Doncaster number.
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Since last November, the Yard and the PJ joined together. Their decision seems to have being made since the Yard concentrated itself on the Smith man. I don't think it will take too long before the case is solved. Going backwards, they could already have arrived at 5a, the sleeping room with perfect shutters,
the washed curtins, the sprayed blood, the impossibility of an abduction...
I wonder at what moment they will analyse the Scenic and the dogs and Kate's clothes.
In October last they were already on the evening of May the 3rd. Everything is perfect ready, prepared and concluded by the PJ.
I really hope the McCanns will still not be made arguidos. They will again make a mess of it.
the washed curtins, the sprayed blood, the impossibility of an abduction...
I wonder at what moment they will analyse the Scenic and the dogs and Kate's clothes.
In October last they were already on the evening of May the 3rd. Everything is perfect ready, prepared and concluded by the PJ.
I really hope the McCanns will still not be made arguidos. They will again make a mess of it.
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Agree. The explanation offered for needing these phones so urgently that time was spent on that very first (and crucial to the search) morning getting this organised fails to add up. At a time when the child could feasibly have been discovered at any moment, thinking about ways of minimising phone costs in the longer term would not be formost in most people's minds. This explanation would fit only where sufficient time had elapsed for awareness of mobile phone cost issues to become apparent, and that this was supposedly an issue in the very first hours warrants close examination. The PJ were extremely interested in mobile phone traffic back in 2007 so perhaps the current and much publicised mobile phone trawl can be examined alongside such witness statements as those of DP and DW.Clay Regazzoni wrote:ultimaThule wrote:
I can't imagine the canny wee one would have trusted PAYG or any other mobiles which came to him/his pals through consular or other 'official' assistance.
The phones could have travelled out on either of the Tapas 9's flights and SIM cards bought in Spain if it proved too risky to buy Portuguese ones in Luz, or one of the numerous 'aides' who'd flown to the assistance of the grieving couple could have gifted them with PAYGs purchased especially for the occasion in England.
I suddenly feel that these phones are extremely key to events. I'd like to understand better the technicalities of matching a (presumably) locked UK sourced PAYG handset with a PT sourced SIM back in 2007.
There are lots of candidates for "mule" - Murat or Pennington for instance just off the top of my head.
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Agree. The explanation offered for needing these phones so urgently that time was spent on that very first (and crucial to the search) morning getting this organised fails to add up. At a time when the child could feasibly have been discovered at any moment, thinking about ways of minimising phone costs in the longer term would not be formost in most people's minds. This explanation would fit only where sufficient time had elapsed for awareness of mobile phone cost issues to become apparent, and that this was supposedly an issue in the very first hours warrants close examination. The PJ were extremely interested in mobile phone traffic back in 2007 so perhaps the current and much publicised mobile phone trawl can be examined alongside such witness statements as those of DP and DW.
There is some ambiguity about whether it was even about cost, or the charge in their own phones. On the cost front, I'm sure their network would be happy to wave any bills, under the circumstances - but, like you say, only if it came to that. She could have turned up that day! As for the charger, I can't believe they didn't take one with them. But wouldn't their phones need to be charged anyway in case a kidnapper wanted to contact them? So obtaining a charger should have been a high priority also....
So in reality, neither justification makes any sense. The one that would have made sense - you're involved in a high profile media event and don't want anybody you've ever given your number to ringing you up for the latest - seems not to have occurred to them.
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Spot on CR, a charger should have been the priority at that point, not new phones on that day of all days.Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
Agree. The explanation offered for needing these phones so urgently that time was spent on that very first (and crucial to the search) morning getting this organised fails to add up. At a time when the child could feasibly have been discovered at any moment, thinking about ways of minimising phone costs in the longer term would not be formost in most people's minds. This explanation would fit only where sufficient time had elapsed for awareness of mobile phone cost issues to become apparent, and that this was supposedly an issue in the very first hours warrants close examination. The PJ were extremely interested in mobile phone traffic back in 2007 so perhaps the current and much publicised mobile phone trawl can be examined alongside such witness statements as those of DP and DW.
There is some ambiguity about whether it was even about cost, or the charge in their own phones. On the cost front, I'm sure their network would be happy to wave any bills, under the circumstances - but, like you say, only if it came to that. She could have turned up that day! As for the charger, I can't believe they didn't take one with them. But wouldn't their phones need to be charged anyway in case a kidnapper wanted to contact them? So obtaining a charger should have been a high priority also....
So in reality, neither justification makes any sense. The one that would have made sense - you're involved in a high profile media event and don't want anybody you've ever given your number to ringing you up for the latest - seems not to have occurred to them.
And yes, strange protecting privacy wasn't put forward to explain the need for phones when it might make more sense than the supposed concerns with mobile charges. However the T9 had only just been using their phones to contact every Tom, Dick and Harry in their address books about "the abduction". It would be strange if, only a few hours after priming all their contacts they were already so tired of people asking for updates that new phones were needed. Also at that point it wasn't yet the high profile media event it was to become; there was early coverage but the media scrum was then still in the (near) future.
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Maybe I`ve been watching too many `kidnap` films, but if a kidnap is suspected, wouldn`t the police want to rig up some sort of phone tap - or does this only take place with landlines? Anyway how would a kidnapper know what the McCanns mobile phone numbers were?
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As mentioned before, at this time in particular, their friends and relatives would need to be able to contact the personal numbers that they already knew for the McCs etc. before the 'disaster'.Monty Heck wrote:Spot on CR, a charger should have been the priority at that point, not new phones on that day of all days.Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
Agree. The explanation offered for needing these phones so urgently that time was spent on that very first (and crucial to the search) morning getting this organised fails to add up. At a time when the child could feasibly have been discovered at any moment, thinking about ways of minimising phone costs in the longer term would not be formost in most people's minds. This explanation would fit only where sufficient time had elapsed for awareness of mobile phone cost issues to become apparent, and that this was supposedly an issue in the very first hours warrants close examination. The PJ were extremely interested in mobile phone traffic back in 2007 so perhaps the current and much publicised mobile phone trawl can be examined alongside such witness statements as those of DP and DW.
There is some ambiguity about whether it was even about cost, or the charge in their own phones. On the cost front, I'm sure their network would be happy to wave any bills, under the circumstances - but, like you say, only if it came to that. She could have turned up that day! As for the charger, I can't believe they didn't take one with them. But wouldn't their phones need to be charged anyway in case a kidnapper wanted to contact them? So obtaining a charger should have been a high priority also....
So in reality, neither justification makes any sense. The one that would have made sense - you're involved in a high profile media event and don't want anybody you've ever given your number to ringing you up for the latest - seems not to have occurred to them.
And yes, strange protecting privacy wasn't put forward to explain the need for phones when it might make more sense than the supposed concerns with mobile charges. However the T9 had only just been using their phones to contact every Tom, Dick and Harry in their address books about "the abduction". It would be strange if, only a few hours after priming all their contacts they were already so tired of people asking for updates that new phones were needed. Also at that point it wasn't yet the high profile media event it was to become; there was early coverage but the media scrum was then still in the (near) future.
Interesting that the PAYG phones were initiated by 'Payne', of all the Tapas friends, via sibling of wife's husband's/friend(s) who 'knew' people in PdL and that Dianna Webster clearly showed obfuscation regarding this in her statements.
Most clearly, an interesting side-effect of PAYG would necessarily result in 'discreet/untraceable connections.
Except that the research is NOW looking at PAYG traffic.
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bobbin wrote:As mentioned before, at this time in particular, their friends and relatives would need to be able to contact the personal numbers that they already knew for the McCs etc. before the 'disaster'.Monty Heck wrote:Spot on CR, a charger should have been the priority at that point, not new phones on that day of all days.Clay Regazzoni wrote:Monty Heck wrote:
Agree. The explanation offered for needing these phones so urgently that time was spent on that very first (and crucial to the search) morning getting this organised fails to add up. At a time when the child could feasibly have been discovered at any moment, thinking about ways of minimising phone costs in the longer term would not be formost in most people's minds. This explanation would fit only where sufficient time had elapsed for awareness of mobile phone cost issues to become apparent, and that this was supposedly an issue in the very first hours warrants close examination. The PJ were extremely interested in mobile phone traffic back in 2007 so perhaps the current and much publicised mobile phone trawl can be examined alongside such witness statements as those of DP and DW.
There is some ambiguity about whether it was even about cost, or the charge in their own phones. On the cost front, I'm sure their network would be happy to wave any bills, under the circumstances - but, like you say, only if it came to that. She could have turned up that day! As for the charger, I can't believe they didn't take one with them. But wouldn't their phones need to be charged anyway in case a kidnapper wanted to contact them? So obtaining a charger should have been a high priority also....
So in reality, neither justification makes any sense. The one that would have made sense - you're involved in a high profile media event and don't want anybody you've ever given your number to ringing you up for the latest - seems not to have occurred to them.
And yes, strange protecting privacy wasn't put forward to explain the need for phones when it might make more sense than the supposed concerns with mobile charges. However the T9 had only just been using their phones to contact every Tom, Dick and Harry in their address books about "the abduction". It would be strange if, only a few hours after priming all their contacts they were already so tired of people asking for updates that new phones were needed. Also at that point it wasn't yet the high profile media event it was to become; there was early coverage but the media scrum was then still in the (near) future.
Interesting that the PAYG phones were initiated by 'Payne', of all the Tapas friends, via sibling of wife's husband's/friend(s) who 'knew' people in PdL and that Dianna Webster clearly showed obfuscation regarding this in her statements.
Most clearly, an interesting side-effect of PAYG would necessarily result in 'discreet/untraceable connections.
Except that the research is NOW looking at PAYG traffic.
Had you noticed this sibling of wife etc etc ALSO provided rooms on request? So DP informs us, helpfully
Why would a room outside the complex be called for by ANY of the Mecs & friends, as they all had a roof over their heads at MWs'?
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