The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Hello!

A very warm welcome to The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™ forum.

Please log in, or register to view all the forums, then settle in and help us get to the truth about what really happened to Madeleine Beth McCann. Please note that your username should be different from your email address!

When posting please be mindful that this forum is primarily about the death of a three year old girl.

(Please note: if you register with the sole intention of disrupting or spamming, please don't expect to be a member for too long.)

Many thanks,

Jill Havern
Forum owner

Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Page 5 of 13 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 11, 12, 13  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by aiyoyo on 22.12.13 1:00

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
What possible reason, IYO, would the Mccanns not want the police to see the other images?

I stated that the possibility exists.  There's no point in speculating over the details, if we don't know what the details are.  That the possibility exists is correct and undeniable.  I can't give motivations because they could be wrong, it's just speculation.

@aiyoyo wrote:

Just from looking at the image without the camera for forensics, can you tell us how you were able to discern it hasn't been manipulated?


How can I tell that there isn't an invisible elephant standing in front of me?  Like yours, this question is not answerable.

I can give an answer to a slightly different question: I don't see evidence of image manipulation.  And as I said before, that doesn't mean that there isn't any.  It means that I don't see any.

Equally, other people may not be wrong in their suspicion - that the possibility exists that the image may be manipulated.
Unless you're a photo forensics expert, I'm afraid it's hard to give credence to an anonymous screen name who claim this and that.
avatar
aiyoyo

Posts : 9611
Reputation : 319
Join date : 2009-11-28

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 22.12.13 1:03

@aiyoyo wrote:
Equally, other people may not be wrong in their suspicion - that the possibility exists that the image may be manipulated.
Unless you're a photo forensics expert,  I'm afraid it's hard to give credence to an anonymous screen name who claim this and that.

Going around in circles. I've already said that it may be manipulated, just that I can't see it.

I'm just putting forward my opinion, it matters not one jot to me whether you give credence to it.

whatliesbehindthesofa

Posts : 1320
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-08

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by aiyoyo on 22.12.13 1:04

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
Equally, other people may not be wrong in their suspicion - that the possibility exists that the image may be manipulated.
Unless you're a photo forensics expert,  I'm afraid it's hard to give credence to an anonymous screen name who claim this and that.

Going around in circles.  I've already said that it may be manipulated, just that I can't see it.

I'm just putting forward my opinion, it matters not one jot to me whether you give credence to it.

Ouch, touche!
avatar
aiyoyo

Posts : 9611
Reputation : 319
Join date : 2009-11-28

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 22.12.13 1:11

@aiyoyo wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
Equally, other people may not be wrong in their suspicion - that the possibility exists that the image may be manipulated.
Unless you're a photo forensics expert,  I'm afraid it's hard to give credence to an anonymous screen name who claim this and that.

Going around in circles.  I've already said that it may be manipulated, just that I can't see it.

I'm just putting forward my opinion, it matters not one jot to me whether you give credence to it.

Ouch, touche!

But do you give credence to anonymous screen name's who claim that the image is manipulated?

whatliesbehindthesofa

Posts : 1320
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-08

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by loopzdaloop on 22.12.13 1:22

Ridiculous discussion going on perpetuated by veritas et al. To argue that there are not any photographs that have been digitally manipulated by the Mccann's et al and released is folly. It is abundantly clear that photos have been manipulated and there are many threads on here which have analysed the photographs. The Mccann's even admit themselves manipulation by claiming that they did not make a big thing about the coloboma when they even made t-shirts with the defect on. 




What is interesting, is that this is a distraction from this man being Philomena's husband.
Someone pointed out "why haven't we heard about him before?" the only answer can be 'exactly.'. 

Birds of a feather flock together. I wonder if he got on well with David Payne.
avatar
loopzdaloop

Posts : 352
Reputation : 51
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 22.12.13 1:33

@loopzdaloop wrote:Ridiculous discussion going on perpetuated by veritas et al. To argue that there are not any photographs that have been digitally manipulated by the Mccann's et al and released is folly. It is abundantly clear that photos have been manipulated and there are many threads on here which have analysed the photographs.  

In other words, anyone who has a different opinion should go away and hide somewhere?  It isn't "abundantly clear" to me that all photos of Maddie have been manipulated, and I've read through these analysis threads.  I say 'not all' because I do have doubts about the tennis photo.

It isn't helpful to call discussion "ridiculous", just because one side of the discussion is something you disagree with.  If image manipulation has been proven then that side of the discussion would be ridiculous.  But it hasn't, so it isn't, it's just one of many differences of opinion that we forum members have.

ETA: Although I have disagreed with Tony about various things, it seems that we do agree that the 'Last Photo' probably hasn't been manipulated. "Probably", because I don't know for sure. I also agree with Tony that the date/time may have been manipulated. Given the suspicious nature of the delivery of this photograph, and the ease with which the date/time can be changed, I think it is a good possibility, although I don't know for sure.

@loopzdaloop wrote:
The Mccann's even admit themselves manipulation by claiming that they did not make a big thing about the coloboma when they even made t-shirts with the defect on.

This is a non sequitur.  Saying that they did not make a big thing about the coloboma is a lie on the part of the McCanns, as it is patently obvious that they did.  It doesn't follow that photographs have been manipulated to add a coloboma.

whatliesbehindthesofa

Posts : 1320
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-08

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by aiyoyo on 22.12.13 2:23

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
Equally, other people may not be wrong in their suspicion - that the possibility exists that the image may be manipulated.
Unless you're a photo forensics expert,  I'm afraid it's hard to give credence to an anonymous screen name who claim this and that.

Going around in circles.  I've already said that it may be manipulated, just that I can't see it.

I'm just putting forward my opinion, it matters not one jot to me whether you give credence to it.

Ouch, touche!

But do you give credence to anonymous screen name's who claim that the image is manipulated?

Nope!
avatar
aiyoyo

Posts : 9611
Reputation : 319
Join date : 2009-11-28

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by OOPSIDAISY on 22.12.13 2:29

Whatever is behind the sofa should just chill....??

OOPSIDAISY

Posts : 7
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-12-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 22.12.13 2:32

@aiyoyo wrote:
Nope!

Ha, you've surprised me aiyoyo - which is cool :)

whatliesbehindthesofa

Posts : 1320
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-08

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 22.12.13 2:35

@OOPSIDAISY wrote:Whatever is behind the sofa should just chill....??

Hey? I should chill? Just discussing stuff! :) I'm perfectly chill thank you oopsidaisy!

whatliesbehindthesofa

Posts : 1320
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-08

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by ultimaThule on 22.12.13 3:17

@loopzdaloop wrote:< snip>

What is interesting, is that this is a distraction from this man being Philomena's husband.
Someone pointed out "why haven't we heard about him before?" the only answer can be 'exactly.'. 

To which I would add 'why are we hearing about him now?'.
avatar
ultimaThule

Posts : 3355
Reputation : 3
Join date : 2013-09-18

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by aiyoyo on 22.12.13 3:18



I don't believe the last photo was photoshopped.
However I believe certain aspect could have been doctored - high possibility of it.
Given the delay in the release, taken together in context with the suspicious circumstances under which it suddenly became available, coupled that with Kate's bizzare effort to draw attention to the time discrepancy which is a banal action since that shouldn't affect the value of it being "last", unless there is a sinister reason behind.

"Last" ? as in -
There are other ones preceding it?
Last one taken during the entire Hol?
Last one taken on the 3rd? hence last seen well and alive on the 3rd?

Why weren't at least some of the preceding ones included in the released portfolio, much better to help people jog memory, rather than say the full-make-up one for example.
Curiously no independent witness saw the family at the Pool on the 3rd. Not even their holiday friends could attest to them being at the Pool on that day.



avatar
aiyoyo

Posts : 9611
Reputation : 319
Join date : 2009-11-28

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Guest on 22.12.13 8:48

@TMH wrote:


I'm sorry Admin, but I just wanted to put my view across and if you feel the need to ban me then fair enough, I just can't stand to see people thinking they're better than others and post like they've swallowed a dictionary - it's ridiculous

Haha, "swallowed a dictionary"! I was dying to use that expression earlier but decided against it. No offense Veritas, but if the cap fits, etc.
avatar
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Guest on 22.12.13 8:53

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Image files are just streams of numbers that can be changed, just like any file.  It's very easy to do, and I'm sure someone like, for example, Gerry, could have done it.

If you had sufficient computing power, you could actually artificially generate every digital photo that ever has been, will be or could be taken. That's how much credence you can give to any given digital image.
avatar
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by PeterMac on 22.12.13 8:54

@loopzdaloop wrote:
Birds of a feather flock together. I wonder if he got on well with David Payne.
And we remember that Payne rang the Child Abuse Unit at SY before midnight.
Then denied it
Then had to admit it during his rogatory, but said he couldn't remember why . . .

____________________

avatar
PeterMac
Researcher

Posts : 10170
Reputation : 163
Join date : 2010-12-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Veritas on 22.12.13 9:06

@ChillyHeat wrote:
@Veritas wrote:
dantezebu wrote:As a woman and a mother I have to state that I regard the images produced by Rickwood to be very disturbing. And I am very pleased that they have been removed from uncensored public viewing. Anyone who thinks that women suffering a very unpleasant death is a form of art or entertainment is sick. I think he made it clear that it was not for the pornographic effect that he was making the images, as nudity was not important to him. So the suffering is what stimulates him. To enjoy the suffering of another individual requires a lack of empathy, and then we are into the realm of a sociopath or if you prefer, psychopath again. And these individuals are quite cabable of acting out their fetishes without conscience, although admittidly not all do. However the constraining factor is often the lack of opportunity, or ability. Not lack of intent.

As an aside
the current estimate of ASPD in the population is around 4%, which would mean on a forum of circa 3200 members there would be around 80 such individuals. I don't like bullying in any of its forms and I thank Candyfloss for making a stand against it.

Dantezebu,  I suggest you conduct a study into the artistic output of major trauma/abuse survivors. The obsession with dark, even exploitative themes is not uncommon and represents subconscious catharsis. There is no accounting for the expressions of the human soul and there are a great many who would regard incessant nattering about unsolved crimes, gruesome speculation about child abuse and murder, and regular forum posting as being every bit as creepy.  The only difference between you, and the person on Deviant Art's graphic art site who is alleged to be "that" Mr Rickwood is that we know what his fantasies are and how he exercises (or exorcises) them, whereas yours are still a mystery. On consideration I'd actually rank him as less of a danger, in that regard, than you. As they say, better the devil you know... He has, at least, made himself easy to monitor, easy to judge, even easy to stitch uwp with scandalous insinuations and accusations. That's more than any of us have done. Yet allegedly he's smart enough to help perpetrate an incredible crime, while being dumb enough (Am I allowed to use the forum to call someone dumb, admin?) to light himself up in neon before doing so. 

And if fantasising about scantily clad ladies in situations of grave peril (and drawing it) is a crime, I suggest you never delve into the modern culture of Japan, South Korea or China. Avoid anime and manga completely. Half the population of Japan must be borderline psycopathic deviant criminal. .

Veritas, its been proved beyond doubt it is the correct Rickwood.

Has it? 

Do you know the difference between 'proved beyond doubt' and 'surmised.'

I' m already uncomfortable that the tangents pursued by those amateurs investigating this case from their armchairs has led to such a wholesale demonisation of an ever-widening group beyond the credible core, and into every highway and byway of association, speculating endlessly about intent and pre-meditation, that we are now proud to have 'uncovered' an apparently non-secret hobby which, while not being our taste, is neither unheard of, nor illegal, and has nothing to do with anything in the case itself, so as to harangue probably entirely innocent people because we don't like the contents of their mind. 

I'm afraid I find nothing glib, funny, or justified in subjecting anyone to the feeling of having an element of their life turned over by a jury of pharisees so that their private personal pastimes, legal and their entitlement as free citizens, can become even a topic of conversation, let alone interrogation for the police, for the nation, or indeed for their employers or the employers of a relative.

I guarantee you, the feeling of having your life turned over and being spied on will not be a pleasant one. 

I'll leave you with these lyrics from Prince:

"If a man is considered guilty for what goes on in his mind, then give me the electric chair for all my future crime."

Veritas

Posts : 87
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2013-11-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Veritas on 22.12.13 9:11

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@TMH wrote:


I'm sorry Admin, but I just wanted to put my view across and if you feel the need to ban me then fair enough, I just can't stand to see people thinking they're better than others and post like they've swallowed a dictionary - it's ridiculous

Haha, "swallowed a dictionary"! I was dying to use that expression earlier but decided against it. No offense Veritas, but if the cap fits, etc.
No offence taken, Clay. I'm not one of those precious forum dwellers that squeals at the use of ideas, let alone words. 

To be honest, this has been hysterically funny for me, because all the grammatical corrections Bennett has been issuing in my direction are wasted on me... He should be lecturing Google in the accuracy of auto-correct and predictive text. Its just too funny to enlighten him. I used a word in a previous post which got me into trouble, and lets just say that I'm amusing myself at seeing dictionary definitions embodied in the cyber flesh so readily.

Veritas

Posts : 87
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2013-11-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by bobbin on 22.12.13 9:17

@PeterMac wrote:
@loopzdaloop wrote:
Birds of a feather flock together. I wonder if he got on well with David Payne.
And we remember that Payne rang the Child Abuse Unit at SY before midnight.
Then denied it
Then had to admit it during his rogatory, but said he couldn't remember why . . .

And as I have often observed, when we get onto a rather 'sensitive' area of discussion, we see veritably vehement reactions which stand out against the normal, well mannered, well considered arguments put forward by capable people, analysing the facts and fictions put in front of them, and who are doing this, for the justice for a little girl who just simply disappeared.
In contrast to the sociopaths and psychopaths embedded in the total of society there is a greater number of 'socially responsible people' who put too much value on the sanctity of human life to let it just go by unchallenged, that a defenseless little girl has been so abused.
Sensitive, explosive reactions advertise the fact that we need to look more closely and more thoroughly at this aspect of current research.
Happily, the Education Authorities, with thanks to members of this forum, will be doing just that.
And it is by contributing to this forum and others similar, throughout, that a great deal of information has been brought out into the open whereby the authorities have become informed and know that the 'socially responsible' portion of society will not let this matter rest and will leave no stone unturned.

bobbin

Posts : 2047
Reputation : 137
Join date : 2011-12-05

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by The Rooster on 22.12.13 9:28

Interesting post Peter. Why has Payne not been pressed further on this telephone call. What on earth is going on.

____________________
F J Leghorn
"DOO-Dah! DOO-Dah-Day!"
avatar
The Rooster

Posts : 419
Reputation : 88
Join date : 2011-04-12
Age : 70
Location : Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Guest on 22.12.13 9:29

dantezebu wrote:As a woman and a mother I have to state that I regard the images produced by Rickwood to be very disturbing. And I am very pleased that they have been removed from uncensored public viewing. Anyone who thinks that women suffering a very unpleasant death is a form of art or entertainment is sick. I think he made it clear that it was not for the pornographic effect that he was making the images, as nudity was not important to him. So the suffering is what stimulates him. To enjoy the suffering of another individual requires a lack of empathy, and then we are into the realm of a sociopath or if you prefer, psychopath again. And these individuals are quite cabable of acting out their fetishes without conscience, although admittidly not all do. However the constraining factor is often the lack of opportunity, or ability. Not lack of intent.

I will make this my last post on this matter as we are speaking from apparently irrevocably different positions, although I am a father, if that counts for anything. Bless you for your no doubt good intentions Dantezebu, but I may well have a more jaded or perhaps pragmatic view of the World. Apologies in advance for what might be a longish post (#iamnotveritas).

I would suggest that this kind of fetishism is much more common in society than the (largely self-appointed) "right thinking" are prepared to countenance. Do you think it's any coincidence that, almost as soon as celluloid was invented, doe-eyed damsels in distress were finding themselves bound to railway lines by mustachio'ed cads? And the audience thrilled as she struggled to escape her impending doom? Now imagine for a moment that the hero of the piece got a better offer, or something, and the poor girl was indeed crushed by the train, and the camera lingered upon her body - do you think the audience would sit there thinking "Get in! This is even better!" or would they faint, vomit and trample over each other in the rush for the exits?

I remember as a child stumbling across the already decades old comic strip Jane, in which the heroine finds herself in ever more contrived peril, all the while wearing less and less clothing. Even as a boy of eight or nine I could see straight through the transparent premise of this "entertainment". She never did get devoured by those crocodiles though.

I've not seen any of Rickwood's "art", and didn't even know that there was such a thing as quicksand fetish until the matter was raised here (although it doesn't surprise me). However, have any of those who did view it discovered a hitherto suppressed urge to drown somebody in quicksand (except for maybe Rickwood himself, hohoho)? If I can assume the answer is no, then it can't be all that toxic, can it? Ah, but those "other" people, you say, the ones with less self control, the more easily manipulated, the mentally weak.... or "men", as feminists like to describe them. We have to protect them from themselves. The problem with this argument is that it actually weakens the condemnation that should be given to those who do step over the line. The chap in the OP, who hanged the girl, for instance. HE is responsible for that crime, and him alone. It's not my fault, or yours, or "society's". Passing on the blame to pornography, or "the internet" seeks in some way to lessen the responsibility he should bear for what he did.

I posted further up the thread about my own brother in law. Should his actions somehow reflect on me? What has Tony Rickwood got to do with the McCann case, beyond speculation? He might be as horrified by what went on as we are. His marriage to PMc predates events in 2007, which could well put him into an agonising personal situation. I can't see what purpose forcibly dragging him out of a closet that he was never even in serves, to be honest. Just more collateral damage in the search for the truth of what happened to Madeleine McCann, and not an inch further forward.



avatar
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Veritas on 22.12.13 9:38

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
dantezebu wrote:As a woman and a mother I have to state that I regard the images produced by Rickwood to be very disturbing. And I am very pleased that they have been removed from uncensored public viewing. Anyone who thinks that women suffering a very unpleasant death is a form of art or entertainment is sick. I think he made it clear that it was not for the pornographic effect that he was making the images, as nudity was not important to him. So the suffering is what stimulates him. To enjoy the suffering of another individual requires a lack of empathy, and then we are into the realm of a sociopath or if you prefer, psychopath again. And these individuals are quite cabable of acting out their fetishes without conscience, although admittidly not all do. However the constraining factor is often the lack of opportunity, or ability. Not lack of intent.

I will make this my last post on this matter as we are speaking from apparently irrevocably different positions, although I am a father, if that counts for anything. Bless you for your no doubt good intentions Dantezebu, but I may well have a more jaded or perhaps pragmatic view of the World. Apologies in advance for what might be a longish post (#iamnotveritas).

I would suggest that this kind of fetishism is much more common in society than the (largely self-appointed) "right thinking" are prepared to countenance. Do you think it's any coincidence that, almost as soon as celluloid was invented, doe-eyed damsels in distress were finding themselves bound to railway lines by mustachio'ed cads? And the audience thrilled as she struggled to escape her impending doom? Now imagine for a moment that the hero of the piece got a better offer, or something, and the poor girl was indeed crushed by the train, and the camera lingered upon her body - do you think the audience would sit there thinking "Get in! This is even better!" or would they faint, vomit and trample over each other in the rush for the exits?

I remember as a child stumbling across the already decades old comic strip Jane, in which the heroine finds herself in ever more contrived peril, all the while wearing less and less clothing. Even as a boy of eight or nine I could see straight through the transparent premise of this "entertainment". She never did get devoured by those crocodiles though.

I've not seen any of Rickwood's "art", and didn't even know that there was such a thing as quicksand fetish until the matter was raised here (although it doesn't surprise me). However, have any of those who did view it discovered a hitherto suppressed urge to drown somebody in quicksand (except for maybe Rickwood himself, hohoho)? If I can assume the answer is no, then it can't be all that toxic, can it? Ah, but those "other" people, you say, the ones with less self control, the more easily manipulated, the mentally weak.... or "men", as feminists like to describe them. We have to protect them from themselves. The problem with this argument is that it actually weakens the condemnation that should be given to those who do step over the line. The chap in the OP, who hanged the girl, for instance. HE is responsible for that crime, and him alone. It's not my fault, or yours, or "society's". Passing on the blame to pornography, or "the internet" seeks in some way to lessen the responsibility he should bear for what he did.

I posted further up the thread about my own brother in law. Should his actions somehow reflect on me? What has Tony Rickwood got to do with the McCann case, beyond speculation? He might be as horrified by what went on as we are. His marriage to PMc predates events in 2007, which could well put him into an agonising personal situation. I can't see what purpose forcibly dragging him out of a closet that he was never even in serves, to be honest. Just more collateral damage in the search for the truth of what happened to Madeleine McCann, and not an inch further forward.



Utterly bang-on!

Veritas

Posts : 87
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2013-11-06

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Guest on 22.12.13 9:45

@Veritas wrote:
Utterly bang-on!

Oh no! Condemned by the approval of Veritas!  big grin 
avatar
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 22.12.13 10:00

I can see where you are coming from Clay. TR might be a perfectly harmless guy who is just a bit weird where quicksand is concerned. But I'm just going to throw my own views in here as to why I personally think it is fair game to discuss it in the context of this case.

Throughout the whole case, Team McCann has been all to quick to drag various people into the equation, and were happy for Brian Kennedy and their PI's to go around interfering in what was an ongoing police investigation, publishing various sketches and photofits of virtually any man seen in PdL. We all know it was highly unlikely (though not impossible) that the majority of those people were probably not the potential fiends they were being painted to be. The Tapas were happy to point the finger at Murat. They thought nothing of shoe-horning in all sorts of random people as possible child snatchers.

They never ever have really taken any sort of responsibility for what happened, and have been screaming snatcher, pedophile etc at every opportunity. For some people their names will be forever tarnished by this pair, however unfair that may be.

Then they go on to slag off the Portugese police for not doing a proper investigation while they didn't even look themselves (well, a cursory few minutes here and there) and try and paint the picture of weirdos al over PdL climbing into children's beds, and all the broo-ha-ha has cost people their jobs, even the poor woman who owns 5a was trying to sell it and couldn't, but they didn't see fit to compensate her for her losses on the apartment.

Their family jumped in spouting off to the media, joining in the slagging-off fest and generally trying to fuel an anti-PJ atmosphere.

Then we have the laughable situation where the McCanns start jumping up and down with the Leveson Inquiry, campaigning for Missing People, flying around the world lecturing on how the authorities should do their job.

It's all been completely insufferable behaviour on their part, all of it.

So when it turns out that a member of staff on Philomena's Team at school is a pedophile, and her husband has got a weird perversion of picturing women drowning in quicksand, and they get discussed I actually think "fair play". The whole clan have contributed to a lot of problems for a lot of people and in my mind, it's a case of "If you can't take it, don't dish it". The whole family has colluded in this farce and the truth is, their own behaviour and background should be subject to exactly what they have put other people through.

Whatever happened to Madeleine started with a matter of judgement by the parents in one way or another. Their judgement and that of their family/friends who've all hopped on board the wagon have created a situation of unprecedented proportions, so if their judgement/morality/ethics etc is somewhat falling short of the mark it's not unreasonable to discuss it, as they have no problem trashing the lives of others for their own purposes.

____________________
The truth will out.
avatar
Smokeandmirrors
Moderator

Posts : 2428
Reputation : 7
Join date : 2011-07-31

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Mirage on 22.12.13 10:50

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:I can see where you are coming from Clay. TR might be a perfectly harmless guy who is just a bit weird where quicksand is concerned. But I'm just going to throw my own views in here as to why I personally think it is fair game to discuss it in the context of this case.

Throughout the whole case, Team McCann has been all to quick to drag various people into the equation, and were happy for Brian Kennedy and their PI's to go around interfering in what was an ongoing police investigation, publishing various sketches and photofits of virtually any man seen in PdL. We all know it was highly unlikely (though not impossible) that the majority of those people were probably not the potential fiends they were being painted to be. The Tapas were happy to point the finger at Murat. They thought nothing of shoe-horning in all sorts of random people as possible child snatchers.

They never ever have really taken any sort of responsibility for what happened, and have been screaming snatcher, pedophile etc at every opportunity. For some people their names will be forever tarnished by this pair, however unfair that may be.

Then they go on to slag off the Portugese police for not doing a proper investigation while they didn't even look themselves (well, a cursory few minutes here and there) and try and paint the picture of weirdos al over PdL climbing into children's beds, and all the broo-ha-ha has cost people their jobs, even the poor woman who owns 5a was trying to sell it and couldn't, but they didn't see fit to compensate her for her losses on the apartment.

Their family jumped in spouting off to the media, joining in the slagging-off fest and generally trying to fuel an anti-PJ atmosphere.

Then we have the laughable situation where the McCanns start jumping up and down with the Leveson Inquiry, campaigning for Missing People, flying around the world lecturing on how the authorities should do their job.

It's all been completely insufferable behaviour on their part, all of it.

So when it turns out that a member of staff on Philomena's Team at school is a pedophile, and her husband has got a weird perversion of picturing women drowning in quicksand, and they get discussed I actually think "fair play". The whole clan have contributed to a lot of problems for a lot of people and in my mind, it's a case of "If you can't take it, don't dish it". The whole family has colluded in this farce and the truth is, their own behaviour and background should be subject to exactly what they have put other people through.


Whatever happened to Madeleine started with a matter of judgement by the parents in one way or another. Their judgement and that of their family/friends who've all hopped on board the wagon have created a situation of unprecedented proportions, so if their judgement/morality/ethics etc is somewhat falling short of the mark it's not unreasonable to discuss it, as they have no problem trashing the lives of others for their own purposes.

Quite simply the response of the thread Smoke and Mirrors. Concise, articulate, without artifice and sophistry.

____________________
Kate McCann: "It's too 'ot. Give 'im a minute."

Mirage

Posts : 1902
Reputation : 757
Join date : 2013-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

Post by Guest on 22.12.13 10:55

goodpost  S and M.

As with a lot of other things about the McCanns, their friends and extended families, one instance on its own would not be thought significant but, taken as a whole, it raises unpleasant suspicions as to the world in which Madeleine lived.
avatar
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Page 5 of 13 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 11, 12, 13  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum