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Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 11:29

A good thing to do would be to go back to the earliest press reports and read what was said in the early days.....


The Guardian, Saturday 5 May 2007

Mark Warner, the holiday firm which runs the luxury resort, claimed last night there was no sign of a break in at the ground floor apartment overlooking the sea. But Brian Healy, Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly after returning to the apartment from a nearby restaurant to find Madeleine had disappeared.

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

"It is not right to say that they just left them," said Mr Healy. "They could see the chalet from where they were sitting in the restaurant, they were a hundred yards away. They went back every half hour to check on the children. When they returned at the end of their meal she was gone. My daughter can hardly speak. She is distraught, she is crying and in shock."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31


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Re: Fresh Memories...

Post by Guest on 17.12.13 11:45

@ChillyHeat wrote:A good thing to do would be to go back to the earliest press reports and read what was said in the early days.....


The Guardian, Saturday 5 May 2007

Mark Warner, the holiday firm which runs the luxury resort, claimed last night there was no sign of a break in at the ground floor apartment overlooking the sea. But Brian Healy, Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly after returning to the apartment from a nearby restaurant to find Madeleine had disappeared.

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

"It is not right to say that they just left them," said Mr Healy. "They could see the chalet from where they were sitting in the restaurant, they were a hundred yards away. They went back every half hour to check on the children. When they returned at the end of their meal she was gone. My daughter can hardly speak. She is distraught, she is crying and in shock."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31


Just two points on that really. Why ring back to the UK so early in proceedings anyway? And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy?
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Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 11:56

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@ChillyHeat wrote:A good thing to do would be to go back to the earliest press reports and read what was said in the early days.....


The Guardian, Saturday 5 May 2007

Mark Warner, the holiday firm which runs the luxury resort, claimed last night there was no sign of a break in at the ground floor apartment overlooking the sea. But Brian Healy, Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly after returning to the apartment from a nearby restaurant to find Madeleine had disappeared.

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

"It is not right to say that they just left them," said Mr Healy. "They could see the chalet from where they were sitting in the restaurant, they were a hundred yards away. They went back every half hour to check on the children. When they returned at the end of their meal she was gone. My daughter can hardly speak. She is distraught, she is crying and in shock."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31


Just two points on that really. Why ring back to the UK so early in proceedings anyway? And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy?


Gerry was going to be the one to control everything from the start....or Kate could hardly speak, perhaps distraught and crying amongst the shock  big grin 

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Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 11:58

I wonder what Kates parents think of about Gerry to this day.... thinking  Would be interesting to know.

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Post by russiandoll on 17.12.13 14:33

quote :   "  And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy? "

 He was probably the calmer and so more coherent of the two.

Plus he was  1. a considerate husband or   2. simply an alpha male, take your pick.

Kate probably feared her parents' anger and incredulity when she explained the circumstances of the abduction. It would have been water off Gerry's back imo, I doubt that he would have spent a second worrying about what anyone thought of their dining arrangements.

 Still the same on CW wasn't he, when he told Kirsty Young that he would respond to her question about the circumstances of that evening. Kate was left to speak of her anguish and add her mantra , they did not commit any crime, someone came into the apartment and took A LITTLE GIRL."
Not my/our little girl.

 Unbelievable. Literally !

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Post by tigger on 17.12.13 20:32

@russiandoll wrote:quote :   "  And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy? "

 He was probably the calmer and so more coherent of the two.

Plus he was  1. a considerate husband or   2. simply an alpha male, take your pick.

Kate probably feared her parents' anger and incredulity when she explained the circumstances of the abduction. It would have been water off Gerry's back imo, I doubt that he would have spent a second worrying about what anyone thought of their dining arrangements.

 Still the same on CW wasn't he, when he told Kirsty Young that he would respond to her question about the circumstances of that evening. Kate was left to speak of her anguish and add her mantra , they did not commit any crime, someone came into the apartment and took A LITTLE GIRL."
Not my/our little girl.

 Unbelievable. Literally !

Kate had 21 plus telephone calls with Jon Corner that night....between 2.00 am and 7.00 am

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Post by IAmNotMerylStreep on 17.12.13 20:47

@tigger wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:quote :   "  And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy? "

 He was probably the calmer and so more coherent of the two.

Plus he was  1. a considerate husband or   2. simply an alpha male, take your pick.

Kate probably feared her parents' anger and incredulity when she explained the circumstances of the abduction. It would have been water off Gerry's back imo, I doubt that he would have spent a second worrying about what anyone thought of their dining arrangements.

 Still the same on CW wasn't he, when he told Kirsty Young that he would respond to her question about the circumstances of that evening. Kate was left to speak of her anguish and add her mantra , they did not commit any crime, someone came into the apartment and took A LITTLE GIRL."
Not my/our little girl.

 Unbelievable. Literally !

Kate had 21 plus telephone calls with Jon Corner that night....between 2.00 am and 7.00 am

So it was Jon Corner who hampered the search.
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Re: Fresh Memories...

Post by chillyheat on 17.12.13 21:12

@IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:quote :   "  And why did Gerry, rather than Kate, call Brian Healy? "

 He was probably the calmer and so more coherent of the two.

Plus he was  1. a considerate husband or   2. simply an alpha male, take your pick.

Kate probably feared her parents' anger and incredulity when she explained the circumstances of the abduction. It would have been water off Gerry's back imo, I doubt that he would have spent a second worrying about what anyone thought of their dining arrangements.

 Still the same on CW wasn't he, when he told Kirsty Young that he would respond to her question about the circumstances of that evening. Kate was left to speak of her anguish and add her mantra , they did not commit any crime, someone came into the apartment and took A LITTLE GIRL."
Not my/our little girl.

 Unbelievable. Literally !

Kate had 21 plus telephone calls with Jon Corner that night....between 2.00 am and 7.00 am

So it was Jon Corner who hampered the search.


She was informing him that the shutters were "SMASHED"

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Re: Fresh Memories...

Post by Doug D on 18.12.13 10:07

Tigger

Where are '21 plus calls to Jon Corner' evidenced please as I can only find the following?

KM calls made (efectuadas) & received (recebidas) which shows 5 calls to …507, …137 & ..923 numbers:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_83.jpg

GM – No calls
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_85.jpg

There are plenty of other ‘pings’ on KM phone http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA_TEL/OA_13_TEL_Page_169.jpg and next page, which presumably are texts, but these don’t appear to be detailed anywhere.

Similarly Michelle Thompson’s (Jon Corners partner) rogatory statement dated 1st May 2008 does not seem to support this, although not necessarily so:
‘On the morning of the 4th of May, 2007, Kate called our landline but we did not hear it as we were asleep and did not put the phone on the bed. She left a message and asked us to call her once we heard the message. Kate must have tried Jon's mobile once as we stirred when it rang at about 03h20. Jon spoke briefly with Kate and then called her around 03h30………………….. Kate was very anguished on the telephone and told me………………
During the next 24 hours, we maintained contact through text messages but I spoke to her around 04h30 on the next day, Saturday, the 5th of May of 2007’.

Jon Corner doesn’t seem to have a statement in the files.

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Post by tigger on 18.12.13 10:36

@Doug D wrote:Tigger

Where are '21 plus calls to Jon Corner' evidenced please as I can only find the following?

KM calls made (efectuadas) & received (recebidas) which shows 5 calls to …507, …137 & ..923 numbers:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_83.jpg

GM – No calls
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_85.jpg

There are plenty of other ‘pings’ on KM phone http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA_TEL/OA_13_TEL_Page_169.jpg and next page, which presumably are texts, but these don’t appear to be detailed anywhere.

Similarly Michelle Thompson’s (Jon Corners partner) rogatory statement dated 1st May 2008 does not seem to support this, although not necessarily so:
‘On the morning of the 4th of May, 2007, Kate called our landline but we did not hear it as we were asleep and did not put the phone on the bed. She left a message and asked us to call her once we heard the message. Kate must have tried Jon's mobile once as we stirred when it rang at about 03h20. Jon spoke briefly with Kate and then called her around 03h30………………….. Kate was very anguished on the telephone and told me………………
During the next 24 hours, we maintained contact through text messages but I spoke to her around 04h30 on the next day, Saturday, the 5th of May of 2007’.

Jon Corner doesn’t seem to have a statement in the files.

Thanks unquote (box doesn't work again)

Here you are:

23.14 Gerry calls Kate (8 secs)
23.17 Gerry calls Kate (31 secs) this call is left on her phone whereas it is deleted from Gerry's.


0.00.27 am Kate calls Sue and Brian Healy (128 seconds)
0.13.50 am Kate calls Sue and Brian Healy (407 seconds)
0.36.21 am Kate calls … (31 seconds)
0.39.58 am Kate calls voicemail (34 seconds)

00.40/00.50. PJ Officer V. M. M. arrived on the scene.

0.40.50 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS0.45.49 am Kate calls voicemail (31 seconds)
0.47.23 am … calls Kate (2.39 minutes)
0.53.08 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
1.02.08 am … calls Kate (2.23 minutes (MO after speaking to JW)
2.07.03 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
2.18.29 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
2.20.03 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
2.21.12 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
2.23.27 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
2.27.28 am Kate calls … (27 seconds)
2.38.58 am Lynda and Mark call Kate (9.45 minutes)
2.53.49 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (16 seconds)
3.05.03 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
3.06.17 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
3.06.54 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (5 seconds)
3.07.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (3 seconds)
3.07.57 am Kate calls Michelle’s cellphone (3 seconds)
3.08.33 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (3 seconds
3.09.05 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (4 seconds)
3.10.29 am Kate calls … (10 seconds)
3.20.21 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (14 seconds)
3.23.28 am Jon Corner calls Kate (184 seconds)
3.28.46 am Jon Corner calls Kate (416 seconds)
3.31.13 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
3.55.21 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
3.55.56 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
4.03.44 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
4.05.40 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
4.12.33 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
4.22.12 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
4.31.30 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
4.31.41 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
4.36.30 am … calls Kate (17.27 minutes)
4.52.16 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
4.55.54 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS

6.02.08 am Mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.04.11 am Kate calls Mum mob (0 seconds) SMS
6.05.29 am Kate calls Amanda home (7.02 minutes)
6.08.17 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.18.17 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.34.53 am … calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.35.23 am Kate calls … (0 seconds) SMS
6.39.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.42 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.47.54 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.48.05 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.12 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS
6.59.44 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS



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Post by Doug D on 18.12.13 12:18

Thanks for that. Is there a link to them in the files somewhere which I couldn't find, which would lead me deeper into the mire? The more you dig the curiouser it all gets. Presumably the 'unknowns' are the ones that were instantly deleted. Am I correct in saying that we are led to believe that the content of all of her texts (in excess of 200 on the 4th) other than what they could pull off her phone, was not made available to the PJ and that they were unable to obtain details from the mobile operators for KM, ROB, MO & JT.? Was there ever an explanation for this? Thanks again.

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Post by tigger on 18.12.13 14:26

Honestly, I don't know,  the PJ however do and it's interesting that the press started to report the importance of the phonecalls only this  year.  Perhaps you  should check out kikorattan on twitter.

There are also fairly extensive timelines in the topic of the timeline of the evening of the third as from 8 pm.

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Post by chillyheat on 18.12.13 22:21

Leicestershire Constabulary, Bell Pottinger & Common Purpose
Some interesting points in the link

http://www.cpexposed.com/sites/default/files/documents/CP_3_Arguidos_McCann.pdf

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Post by Guest on 18.12.13 22:42

Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...
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Post by chillyheat on 18.12.13 22:52

Châtelaine wrote:Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...

Found a link on this link  titter 
http://www.cpexposed.com/documents/common-purpose-media-standards-trust-and-madeleine-mccann-what-are-connections

Just digging about....

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Post by tigger on 19.12.13 6:52

@ChillyHeat wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...

Found a link on this link  titter 
http://www.cpexposed.com/documents/common-purpose-media-standards-trust-and-madeleine-mccann-what-are-connections

Just digging about....

Great find! Good to know this site exists. Then don't forget Editorial Intelligence - anyway plenty to read in the cpexposed site. Bless the internet.

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Post by chillyheat on 19.12.13 9:53

@tigger wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...

Found a link on this link  titter 
http://www.cpexposed.com/documents/common-purpose-media-standards-trust-and-madeleine-mccann-what-are-connections

Just digging about....

Great find!  Good to know this site exists. Then don't forget Editorial Intelligence - anyway plenty to read in the cpexposed site. Bless the internet.

For someone that is relatively new to this mystery, I picked up on things like Editorial Intelligence weeks ago. I posted about it but it was overlooked. I am admittedly a looker on the internet for conspiracies, I have always looked for answers in places where we are not likely to find true answers. In this case, I do believe there is an answer and I dont assume this as just another Internet Conspiracy for me to delve into.
Ive looked at this case with interest purely for Justice, but I cannot get out of my head that we are in the middle of an everchanging Agenda. Whomever is in power, then the rules for this case alter to suit.....IMHO.
All angles should be looked at....The truth is out there.  friends 

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Post by tigger on 19.12.13 13:13

@ChillyHeat wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...

Found a link on this link  titter 
http://www.cpexposed.com/documents/common-purpose-media-standards-trust-and-madeleine-mccann-what-are-connections

Just digging about....

Great find!  Good to know this site exists. Then don't forget Editorial Intelligence - anyway plenty to read in the cpexposed site. Bless the internet.

For someone that is relatively new to this mystery, I picked up on things like Editorial Intelligence weeks ago. I posted about it but it was overlooked. I am admittedly a looker on the internet for conspiracies, I have always looked for answers in places where we are not likely to find true answers. In this case, I do believe there is an answer and I dont assume this as just another Internet Conspiracy for me to delve into.
Ive looked at this case with interest purely for Justice, but I cannot get out of my head that we are in the middle of an everchanging Agenda. Whomever is in power, then the rules for this case alter to suit.....IMHO.
All angles should be looked at....The truth is out there.  friends 

Common Purpose is like a fungus, or dry rot, get's everywhere. Do all these types have to be Julias? Hobshawn who set up a PR co with Sarah Brown -the CP woman. Vey, Mitchell are being co- opted in the government - indeed what is going on?

I would think Blair, the megalomaniac would be at the bottom of the whole thing. President of Europe....why stop there?

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Post by chillyheat on 19.12.13 14:14

@tigger wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Waw. How did you find that? I thought all of 3A's had gone into orbit ...

Found a link on this link  titter 
http://www.cpexposed.com/documents/common-purpose-media-standards-trust-and-madeleine-mccann-what-are-connections

Just digging about....

Great find!  Good to know this site exists. Then don't forget Editorial Intelligence - anyway plenty to read in the cpexposed site. Bless the internet.

For someone that is relatively new to this mystery, I picked up on things like Editorial Intelligence weeks ago. I posted about it but it was overlooked. I am admittedly a looker on the internet for conspiracies, I have always looked for answers in places where we are not likely to find true answers. In this case, I do believe there is an answer and I dont assume this as just another Internet Conspiracy for me to delve into.
Ive looked at this case with interest purely for Justice, but I cannot get out of my head that we are in the middle of an everchanging Agenda. Whomever is in power, then the rules for this case alter to suit.....IMHO.
All angles should be looked at....The truth is out there.  friends 

Common Purpose is like a fungus, or dry rot, get's everywhere. Do all these types  have to be Julias? Hobshawn who set up a PR co with Sarah Brown -the CP woman.  Vey, Mitchell are being co- opted in the government - indeed what is going on?

I would  think Blair, the megalomaniac would be at the bottom of the whole thing. President of Europe....why stop there?

With links to The Fabian Society and Tavistock, we truly do need to look for answers in a different light at times....
http://www.stopcp.com/cpmindmap.php

This is not a conspiracy theory....This is an area that needs to be looked into to find answers. Its obvious (to me at least)

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Post by tigger on 21.12.13 5:41

Fascinating link Chillyheat, it's my conviction that the dumbing down of the education system is one of their their methods.

You can't have a democracy without an educated population.

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Post by Guest on 21.12.13 20:37

@tigger wrote:Fascinating link Chillyheat,  it's my conviction that the dumbing  down of the education system is one of their their methods.

You can't have a democracy without an educated population.
I fully agree. It's terrifying.
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Post by chillyheat on 21.12.13 21:25

Dee Coy wrote:
@tigger wrote:Fascinating link Chillyheat,  it's my conviction that the dumbing  down of the education system is one of their their methods.

You can't have a democracy without an educated population.
I fully agree. It's terrifying.










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