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Post by MaybeMaybenot on 20.06.14 20:15

@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:Here's another article from a university r/t self-soothing repetitive behaviors in children.  Notice that this article like the previous one I posted mentions that rubbing sexual areas is within normal limits.   
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Foster/27758_ocd_rep_behavior.pdf
If you could be so kind as to copy and paste the bit where it says that saying "does she go like this" while simulating fellatio is a normal way to talk about a three year old, I'll happily accept that I'm wrong
Here's Katherina and her husband's official statements.  Nowhere does she state that she heard "does she do like this".  

Katherina’s statement:
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.


Her husband’s statement:
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. 

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
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The motioning made by DP must not have been disturbing to Katherina in 2005 because Arul and his wife Katherina never discussed it again.  The husband didn’t even feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.  When it suddenly looked like Kate and Gerry were going to be named as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, Katherina suddenly recalls how VERY disturbing DP’s "motioning" was to her.  

This is baloney, IMO.
Why were CEOP asked to be involved so early on then.....Oh sorry, that would be asked for Jeremy's involvement.....anyway,carry on

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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:17

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Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year ...
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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 20.06.14 20:19

Bottom line is DP hasn't sued GA, LP only passed on these statements after six months and the UK press have never mention the allegation. Tells me all I need to know.
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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:21

Châtelaine wrote:Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year ...

Perhaps not so strange now we know Goncalo's full thoughts on what has been happening from start to finish.  sad 
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Post by AndyB on 20.06.14 20:22

@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:Here's another article from a university r/t self-soothing repetitive behaviors in children.  Notice that this article like the previous one I posted mentions that rubbing sexual areas is within normal limits.   
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Foster/27758_ocd_rep_behavior.pdf
If you could be so kind as to copy and paste the bit where it says that saying "does she go like this" while simulating fellatio is a normal way to talk about a three year old, I'll happily accept that I'm wrong
Here's Katherina and her husband's official statements.  Nowhere does she state that she heard "does she do like this".  

Katherina’s statement:
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.


Her husband’s statement:
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. 

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
End of statement
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The motioning made by DP must not have been disturbing to Katherina in 2005 because Arul and his wife Katherina never discussed it again.  The husband didn’t even feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.  When it suddenly looked like Kate and Gerry were going to be named as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, Katherina suddenly recalls how VERY disturbing DP’s "motioning" was to her.  

This is baloney, IMO.
Which is a very very different argument than the one that started with, where you claimed that it is within normal limits for an adult, while simulating fellatio, to say of a three year old "she would do this" (exact words from Katherine Gaspers statement). Do you still maintain that this is within normal limits?

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Post by aquila on 20.06.14 20:24

Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year ...
and just to add Châtelaine, the statement was not passed onto the PJ immediately and would not have seen the light of day had the case files not been released.

I agree, this wasn't a statement made lightly.
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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:24

Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.

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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:27

I wouldn't consider imitating my child sucking on her fingers (normal self-soothing behavior) to be imitating fellatio.   I never looked at my child sucking on her fingers and thought that either.  That takes a warped brain to take a normal behavior of a small child and think about it as a sexual act.  Do you do this?

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Post by MaybeMaybenot on 20.06.14 20:29

@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.
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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:30

@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.

You cannot assume the episode wasn't discussed because Mrs Gaspar wasn't 'really upset'. There are all sorts of other possibilities for their reticence.
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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:31

@MaybeMaybenot wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.
Sit in the corner....shut up and suck your thumb..
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This is allegedly a discussion forum.

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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:32

Dee Coy wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.

You cannot assume the episode wasn't discussed because Mrs Gaspar wasn't 'really upset'. There are all sorts of other possibilities for their reticence.
Okay, then you cannot assume that Mrs. Gaspar isn't a sexually uptight individual who worries about everything which moves in and out being representative of fellatio.

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Post by Hicks on 20.06.14 20:32

@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:Here's another article from a university r/t self-soothing repetitive behaviors in children.  Notice that this article like the previous one I posted mentions that rubbing sexual areas is within normal limits.   
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Foster/27758_ocd_rep_behavior.pdf
If you could be so kind as to copy and paste the bit where it says that saying "does she go like this" while simulating fellatio is a normal way to talk about a three year old, I'll happily accept that I'm wrong
Here's Katherina and her husband's official statements.  Nowhere does she state that she heard "does she do like this".  

Katherina’s statement:
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.


Her husband’s statement:
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. 

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
End of statement
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The motioning made by DP must not have been disturbing to Katherina in 2005 because Arul and his wife Katherina never discussed it again.  The husband didn’t even feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.  When it suddenly looked like Kate and Gerry were going to be named as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, Katherina suddenly recalls how VERY disturbing DP’s "motioning" was to her.  

This is baloney, IMO.
I think you have missed out a paragraph.

"I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in it's entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like? she? referring to Madeleine, would do this".

It seems crystal clear to me that Dave is telling Gerry that she-Madeleine- is sucking on one of her fingers, pushing it in and out of her mouth, whilst at the same time circling her nipple.........and you think that is a normal conversation for two adult males to have, one her own father?

The Gaspar's did not leave it in coming forward until the McCann's were made alguido.  The Gaspar's went to the police around the 16th May. The McCann's were made alguido in the September.

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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:33

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Yes, it is. Now suck your thumb or fingers and move them in and out ... Feel better?
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Post by MaybeMaybenot on 20.06.14 20:34

@HaroldK wrote:
@MaybeMaybenot wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.
Sit in the corner....shut up and suck your thumb..
Imo I'm just being sarcastic
This is allegedly a discussion forum.
But your discussing disgusting truths....you just do see it. I will leave it at that.

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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:34

HaroldK
"The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again."


So are you actually accusing Dr Gaspar of making a serious false allegation about David Payne, Harold?
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Post by Justformaddie on 20.06.14 20:35

The Gaspers came forward to try and help a little 3yr old child, something that not a lot of other friends or family have done IMO they were friends and holidaying friends and doctors, but the police needed to know this and I think they were brave people for doing this for maddie IMO

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Post by AndyB on 20.06.14 20:37

Read the statement: "Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth". Do your kids do that whilst circling a nipple provocatively? Payne is NOT replicating the behaviour of an innocent child, he is sexualising a three year old.

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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:38

Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Yes, it is. Now suck your thumb or fingers and move them in and out ... Feel better?
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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:45

@Hicks wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:Here's another article from a university r/t self-soothing repetitive behaviors in children.  Notice that this article like the previous one I posted mentions that rubbing sexual areas is within normal limits.   
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Foster/27758_ocd_rep_behavior.pdf
If you could be so kind as to copy and paste the bit where it says that saying "does she go like this" while simulating fellatio is a normal way to talk about a three year old, I'll happily accept that I'm wrong
Here's Katherina and her husband's official statements.  Nowhere does she state that she heard "does she do like this".  

Katherina’s statement:
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.


Her husband’s statement:
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. 

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
End of statement
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The motioning made by DP must not have been disturbing to Katherina in 2005 because Arul and his wife Katherina never discussed it again.  The husband didn’t even feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.  When it suddenly looked like Kate and Gerry were going to be named as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, Katherina suddenly recalls how VERY disturbing DP’s "motioning" was to her.  

This is baloney, IMO.
I think you have missed out a paragraph.

"I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in it's entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like? she? referring to Madeleine, would do this?

It seems crystal clear to me that Dave is telling Gerry that she-Madeleine- is sucking on one of her fingers, pushing it in and out of her mouth, whilst at the same time circling her nipple.........and you think that is a normal conversation for two adult male to have, one her own father?

The Gaspar's did not leave it in coming forward until the McCann's were made alguido.  The Gaspar's went to the police around the 16th May. The McCann's were made alguido in the September.
CHILDREN SUCK THEIR FINGERS.  Children even suck their fingers in utero. Some children move their fingers in and out while sucking and others do not. Kids also rub themselves while self-soothing which comes with sucking their finger.  This is normal.   Moms and dads can talking about "what my child does to fall asleep or calm down while she's sucking her finger".

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Post by Guest on 20.06.14 20:46

@HaroldK wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Well, they made their statements well before K&G were made suspects. In fact, they only decided to go to the police to make such statement, was when they learned that primo Madeleine had gone missing on holiday and secundo Payne was there too.

I think it must have been very hard for them to have made such a statement and it is, still, strange that their statement never reached the PJ until much later that year …
The parents, stepparents or boyfriend are usually the first suspects in a child's disappearance.  Katherina is a physician, not a dumb person.  She knew the McCanns would be considered to be suspects.  She came forward with DP's name, whose motioning didn't really upset her as her husband stated the incident was never discussed again.

You cannot assume the episode wasn't discussed because Mrs Gaspar wasn't 'really upset'. There are all sorts of other possibilities for their reticence.
Okay, then you cannot assume that Mrs. Gaspar isn't a sexually uptight individual who worries about everything which moves in and out being representative of fellatio.
Ah. That's what you think of her. Explains a lot.
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Post by Woofer on 20.06.14 20:52

Châtelaine wrote:@ HaroldK

Yes, it is. Now suck your thumb or fingers and move them in and out ... Feel better?

Whilst at the same time circling your nipple.  puke 

IMO only a person with a warped perspective on children would excuse that as normal behaviour.
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Post by HaroldK on 20.06.14 20:53

@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@HaroldK wrote:Here's another article from a university r/t self-soothing repetitive behaviors in children.  Notice that this article like the previous one I posted mentions that rubbing sexual areas is within normal limits.   
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Foster/27758_ocd_rep_behavior.pdf
If you could be so kind as to copy and paste the bit where it says that saying "does she go like this" while simulating fellatio is a normal way to talk about a three year old, I'll happily accept that I'm wrong
Here's Katherina and her husband's official statements.  Nowhere does she state that she heard "does she do like this".  

Katherina’s statement:
When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.


Her husband’s statement:
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. 

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
End of statement
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The motioning made by DP must not have been disturbing to Katherina in 2005 because Arul and his wife Katherina never discussed it again.  The husband didn’t even feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.  When it suddenly looked like Kate and Gerry were going to be named as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, Katherina suddenly recalls how VERY disturbing DP’s "motioning" was to her.  

This is baloney, IMO.
Which is a very very different argument than the one that started with, where you claimed that it is within normal limits for an adult, while simulating fellatio, to say of a three year old "she would do this" (exact words from Katherine Gaspers statement). Do you still maintain that this is within normal limits?
I wouldn't consider imitating my child sucking on her fingers (normal self-soothing behavior) to be imitating fellatio.   I never looked at my child sucking on her fingers and thought that either.  That takes a warped brain to take a normal behavior of a small child and turn it into a sexual act.  Do you do this?
Read the statement: "Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth". Do your kids do that whilst circling a nipple provocatively? Payne is NOT replicating the behaviour of an innocent child, he is sexualising a three year old.
We don't know what Katherina thinks is provocative.  

I don't look at children's behavior as being provocative.  Children are innocent beings.  

Two of my children sucked their fingers and one sucked his thumb.  One self-soothed by twisting her hair while sucking her finger. Her finger moved in and out of her mouth.   Another self-soothed while sucking two fingers and by rubbing his neck and arm at the same time.  His fingers remained stationary with he sucked them.   If one had sucked her finger and rubbed around her nipple that would have been just fine.  If my spouse wanted to discuss with a friend or their doctor how our kids sucked their fingers and self-soothed, that would also be okay.

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Post by worriedmum on 20.06.14 20:55

How patronising you are Harold. You assume you understand more than a parent ( who is also a  doctor and might therefore have wider experience of these matters as part of her work) who witnessed this scene and was made to feel uncomfortable by these actions.

Yes we know children suck their fingers. I am at a loss as to why you think a doctor and parent would act out  'nipple circling' while inserting a finger in and out of his mouth? Deficient vocabulary?
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Post by AndyB on 20.06.14 20:56

@HaroldK wrote:CHILDREN SUCK THEIR FINGERS.  Children even suck their fingers in utero. Some children move their fingers in and out while sucking and others do not. Kids also rub themselves while self-soothing which comes with sucking their finger.  This is normal.   Moms and dads can talking about "what my child does to fall asleep or calm down while she's sucking her finger".
So you do think its acceptable for an adult to say of a three year old "she would do this" while simulating fellatio and circling a nipple provocatively?

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